Newbie Welcome

Just a courtesy "hi there" to all of ya'll here at alt.tv.daria. Been lurking for a week or so now, and just decided to pop in my $.02. When are we gonna get some new episodes?? Seems to me that MTV is lacking in the animation department right now. I mean, I can only take Tom Green for so long, so put Daria in his place already. Sorry, end of rant now.

Peace, Lesley

"Every turkey dies, not every turkey truly lives." - Chef

Hi. Do you like... <shifty eyes> FISH?!

(getting out of the way)

B (not your average AOheLLer) (and proud of it)

Racism is being blind and thinking you can see...

On 02 Nov 1999 02:44:24 GMT, [email] (The troublesome one) wrote:

I really don't have anything to say, but...

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Kyle, he who means well The Manny Alexander of alt.sports.baseball.chicago.cubs

herecomethehawks@hockeymail.....com (Kyle) wrote:

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OK, apparently a newbie joke, but, can you explain a little please, lol. =)

Lesley

"Every turkey dies, not every turkey truly lives." - Chef

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lol.  =)

Shez, can we have the URL for that wonderfully written definition on Cafe Shez? It would help. Or you people can try to define it. No I won't try...my brain is currently absent.

I just realized something is missing... Hey, where's Diane?!

Cute name. I won't remark on mine, as it is I share it with just about everyone's aunt or grandma or dog or whatever here, and not to mention my bud Cricket! Soooo, we'll leave it alone. *gags*

cheryl, supporter of the Mutual Pity Society

<URL: http://www.xerez.demon.co.uk/html/F/freshfish.html>

I'm currently in the middle of updating the jargon file but I think the F's are currently up to date.

-Shez.

I think she left in a puff of self- righteousness for dramatic effect.

Dagny

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Workshop/9441/

"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot

On 03 Nov 1999 20:20:14 GMT, [email] (Dagny Scott) wrote:

Let it go, Dagny. Was there anything to be gained in the group by this comment?

I talk to Diane on ICQ regularly. She has just been too busy to post, although she does lurk.

Kyle, he who means well The Manny Alexander of alt.sports.baseball.chicago.cubs

I'm hoping some time you guys will realize SHE attacked ME, that she is not perfect, and I am not evil.

Admittedly this is impossible.

But I'm an idealist.

Dagny

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Workshop/9441/

"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot

On 04 Nov 1999 01:01:51 GMT, [email] (Dagny Scott) wrote:

Dammit Dagny, I know you know better than this. NO ONE THINKS YOU ARE EVIL! Just because we supported her, does not mean we were against you in any way, shape or form. No one thinks you are a troll. No one thinks you are evil. You are a well respected member of this group. We supported Diane through her insecurity, and I'll admit I still don't see why you took offense to it. But I respect your intelligence enough that you probably had a decent reason for taking it that way. Just because *I* feel, personally, you could have handled both the Diane and the Jennifer Callahan situations differently, does not mean I dislike you, have lost any respect for you, think you any less intelligent, or find the slightest iota less value in your contributions to the group. No one thinks you are evil.

Okay, perhaps that wasn't the epitome of subtlety, but what the heck. I just want you to realize that once you are inner-circle, you are always inner-circle.

I was gonna end this with a cool joke, but I couldn't think of any. Sorry to dissapoint, I guess.

Kyle, he who means well The Manny Alexander of alt.sports.baseball.chicago.cubs

You supported HER attacking ME. Hellooo?? That seems like a connection to me.

But of course Diane handled everything right. I've not even heard one of you say (ON THE GROUP, Jordan!!!) that Diane did anything the slightest bit wrong, which sort of ignores the fact that she did attack me.

Dagny

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Workshop/9441/

"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot

On 04 Nov 1999 21:24:39 GMT, [email] (Dagny Scott) wrote:

But we don't AGREE that she attacked you.

I just don't see it that way. I'm sorry, but I don't. If I did, I'd be the first in line to give her a butt-spanking.

Kyle, he who means well The Manny Alexander of alt.sports.baseball.chicago.cubs

Well you can not agree she attacked me all you want but not agreeing doesn't change fact. The first attack was an implicit attack which would have been pretty damn explicit if she had said "Dagny" instead of "this girl 2 years younger than me" and when I point this out she goes on about what an ungrateful bitch I am.

You can disagree all you want. You're just wrong then.

Dagny

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Workshop/9441/

"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot

Dagny Scott wrote:

As one of those who replied to Diane's original post, I have to point out that I didn't have the slightest idea who she was referring to -- nor did I particularly care -- until YOU revealed it YOURSELF. Nor did I consider her post any kind of attack. The intention of my post (like everyone else's, I'm sure) was not to attack anyone but to make Diane feel better. You can believe it or not. I could not care less, but I felt compelled to say it again.

On the mountaintop, [email] spake thusly:

He speaks for me, as well. I didn't know or care to know until it was revealed, and then I just got the hell away from that thread as fast as I possibly could, because I knew I wanted no part in this. Dagny, I don't want to take sides in this, and I think some other people feel the same way. I'm not saying that anyone is right or wrong, because I don't have enough information or the right perspective to say that. I'm only saying that it was not my intent, in replying to Diane's original post, to attack or discredit _anyone_ on alt.tv.daria. That's the _last_ thing I'd ever want to do. (Well, except for Qthingy. I'm itchin' for a piece of him.) Dagny, we like you. You're one of us. Nobody wants you gone from here, at least not to my knowledge.

-Mindy

"I think I'm a mushroom... I must be a mushroom! Everyone keeps me in the dark and feeds me bulls***!" -Ward Rubrecht

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You've already taken Diane's side Everything She Says is OK and therefore I'm a Paranoid Raving Troll. All of you. Dagny

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Workshop/9441/

"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot

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I've been trying my darnest to stay out of this, but...

Dagny, you know what, when you first posted that all of that stuff was about you, I felt bad that something I contributed to may have made you feel you were being attacked and I'm sorry if you felt that way. However, any remnants of that symmpathy have been promptly flushed down the proverbial toilet because of the way you've been acting. And that sympathy has been replaced by a feeling of annoyance and frustration. Everyone's got to realize that some people are going to do things you don't like and it's alright to call them on it, but holding a grudge about something that most of the rest of the universe is trying to leave in the past (where it belongs) is NOT helping. I hope that you can find a way to get past all of this and let it go - there's no sense in crying over spilled milk, anymore.

On the mountaintop, [email] (Dagny Scott) spake thusly:

I'm sorry I've done anything to make you feel that way, then, but it's obvious that no matter how many times I say that I meant nothing malicious that you will not believe me. So I'm going back to my former quiet status. Thanks for making how you feel about this clear to everyone, Dagny.

-Mindy

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Dagny said:

"Everything" she says is NOT "ok". I explicitly said that.

You're no troll. I love and value you, Dagny.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

"Man, as we know him, is a poor creature; but he is halfway between an ape and a god and he is travelling in the right direction." (Dean William R. Inge)

i can understand why you felt offended by diane's post.. (i would probably have taken it as a personal attack had i been in your position, but i take everything as a personal attack.) i don't know whether diane was actually making an "attack" or not, which is why i've tried to stay out of this discussion. if she was (i can't remember what she said), then she is *in the wrong*, imho.

Well Martin Pollard has been the first to openly say he wants me gone

Dagny

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Workshop/9441/

"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot

On 05 Nov 1999 13:17:25 GMT, [email] (Dagny Scott) wrote:

I said that I didn't care what you did, that you could stay or you could leave, it was up to you. Would you like me to re-state EXACTLY what I said? (Thank God for Agent's archiving capabilities.) Lying about what I said isn't going to help your argument, and frankly, it makes *me* think even less of you than before. Grow up, Dagny.

Martin
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Sheesh. I ask you people "what did I miss?" and I get reassuring replies that everything discussed was as usual...Not to mention the fact that we had this disagreement, and now I've poured salt in the wound by restarting this with my uneducated question. You people have to tell me these things!

In short though, Dag, I don't want you to go, and I would like to put this in the past. Diane, please come back and let's see if we can come back to peace.

cheryl

On 05 Nov 1999 00:20:08 GMT, [email] (Dagny Scott) wrote:

That's okay if you feel I'm wrong. Heck, it's okay if you think I'm an ignorant fool because of it. But if I feel, personally (or the entire group does) that it's just one big misunderstanding, why would you assume we'd think you were "evil" because of it?

Kyle, he who means well The Manny Alexander of alt.sports.baseball.chicago.cubs

Can you tell me at least how you say she DIDN'T attack me? Because I think you're closing your eyes to something. All of you. You don't want to think someone you like and sympathized with did something wrong. Of course no one sympathizes with me ever I don't know why. But it is assumed I have no emotions whereas Diane does. EVERYONE. Not just on this newsgroup.

(Jordan, I know you'll say otherwise, but the fact that you're ONLY worried about offending Diane and not me doesn't really back that up)

If you assume Diane is right, you assume I am a horrible, evil, ungrateful little bitch.

I know by now you all want me gone.

Dagny

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Workshop/9441/

"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot

On 05 Nov 1999 01:33:37 GMT, [email] (Dagny Scott) wrote:

At this point, Dagny, I don't give a damn what you do. I don't know who started what, nor do I care. What I *do* know is that you are annoying the living hell out of everyone here with this ultra-paranoid "please feel sorry for me" martyr routine of yours, and I for one have reached the limits of my patience for it.

Can't you get it through that thick head of yours that the ONLY reason this situation has lingered for so long is that YOU won't let it drop? The rest of us are perfectly willing to chalk this incident up to a misunderstanding -- in fact, we'd prefer to do so, and go back to talking about other things (namely "Daria"... it's the topic of the newsgroup, remember?). However, your stubborn insistence on showing everyone how right you are, and how wrong we were, is doing nothing to help your case; in fact, I'd say it's having the OPPOSITE effect.

Do whatever you want, Dagny... put the situation in the past where it belongs and move on, leave in a huff of hurt pride and indignation, whatever. If, however, you choose to continue waving your arms around and shouting, "Look at me, I've been wronged," then I don't think I'd be wrong in saying that you'll end up losing any support you may have had. Think about it...

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On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 07:24:02 -0500, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from Martin J. Pollard , and it said:

I leave for a week, and this is STILL going on?! Jesus Christ, Dagney. Get over it.

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On 05 Nov 1999 01:33:37 GMT, [email] (Dagny Scott) wrote:

I think she was, as you have said before, "fishing for compliments", consciously or subconsciously. basically, it was "People like Dagny are soooooooooooo much smarter than little old me".

Why do I have to assume anyone's "right"? That's kinda absolutist.

No, I don't. Did I ever say that? If I thought that, wouldn't I admit it rather than going out of my way to deny it?

Of course not!

Kyle, he who means well The Manny Alexander of alt.sports.baseball.chicago.cubs

Now who's fishing for compliments? (Or possibly complements.)

Of course we don't want you to go. You've written some of the most insightful things ever to have been posted to atd (with the notable exception of this recent paranoia trip!) It's people like you that have made atd the intellectual Mecca it is, the Cicely of Usenet.

-Shez.

I'm stating facts. And you've all returned with "yep".

Dagny

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Workshop/9441/

"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot

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Um. I believe my words were "heck no!!!!!" or something along those lines.

If I wanted you gone at all, why have I been spending so much of my valuable, finite time on this earth posting in this thread to try to convince you that I dont want you gone, and dont think ill of you?

On 05 Nov 1999 01:33:37 GMT, [email] (Dagny Scott) wrote:

Intention.

The difference between a poke in the eye while blindly gesturing, and a slap in the face while screaming "die bitch die."

Both hurt, but only one is an attack.

You project strength and independance; creating the impression that sympathy for you is both unnecessary and possibly insulting.

That impression may be way off, and it may be based on ancient stereotypes concerning the strong and the independant, but it still happens.

Why would anyone want you gone? Just because of an ugly scene between you and Diane?

Methinks they just want an end to that scene. Just look to the support you got, when they thought I called you a troll.

Dagny said:

The strange part abouut the "who suffered more" argument you and she were having is that as far as I can see you've BOTH had pretty good lives so far. Not spectacularly ecstatic ones, but better than many people have ... even middle-class Americans.

You're both loved by both your family and your boyfriends, neither of you has ever had anything truly awful happen to her, and you both look like you're going to have happy futures. So why would EITHER of you feel persecuted?

Idiots like your principal or Diane's supervisor are transitory. Love and friendship and family can last a lifetime. Be happy.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

"Man, as we know him, is a poor creature; but he is halfway between an ape and a god and he is travelling in the right direction." (Dean William R. Inge)

Dagny said:

Diane should not have ventilated her envying of your intelligence in a manner which could easily be taken as meaning that you had been snotty to her. I do not think she meant it as an attack on you, in particular because she did not name names. I do understand why you were upset, though, and I did counsel Diane to apologize to you. Which I believe she did, though, so why are we still discussing this?

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

"Man, as we know him, is a poor creature; but he is halfway between an ape and a god and he is travelling in the right direction." (Dean William R. Inge)

You know I've went over this before Jordan. Do I need to go over the same answers the millionth time? And do you not see that she attacked me? My God, Jordan, YOU should know better. The girl thinks I'm Satan Incarnate, not that she's the first or anything.

Dagny

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Workshop/9441/

"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot

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Going back to what was said in one of the recent religion threads, with this situation, everyone is so entrenched in their beliefs of what happened they're not going to change their minds just because someone else said something else.

Just say for instance, all of us come out and say Diane was wrong for what she did and Dagny was right all the time. It would make it seem now as if we were patronizing her, which as said elsewhere could serve to feed fuel to this fire and make the parties involved even more angry or outraged than if we kept with our previous beliefs. At this point in the arguments we're in a lose-lose situation, if we agree, or not it is unlikely that anything good can come from this situation as it now stands.

I'm fairly new here, (4 months) if I've done anything very wrong in this situation, I apologize to Dagny, but at this point I think any apologizies to her from any of us here on out will fall on deaf ears.

A.J.

On 05 Nov 1999 13:19:05 GMT, [email] (Dagny Scott) wrote:

On 04 Nov 1999 21:24:39 GMT, [email] (Dagny Scott) wrote:

Er... once again - WE didn't interpret her actions as an attack on you. Thus, we didn't support her attacking you.

Could be that we didn't see the attack that you claim happened.

What *I* saw, was at best analagous to her poking you in the eye cause she wasn't looking where she was gesturing.

It's a matter of perspective; I'm sure if it had been my 'eye' she 'poked' I'd think it was an attack too.

Kyle of writes:

Not since Mindy stole the Evilness crown from you anyway.

-Shez.

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:56:36 +0000, Shez wrote:

No, she stole it from Jordan, who stole it from Matthias.

Kyle, he who means well The Manny Alexander of alt.sports.baseball.chicago.cubs

Kyle said:

One moment I was lounging on my Tyrant's Throne, the next moment I woke up on the floor with a bump on my head, Mindy gone, and the crown gone too! And I didn't even get to do more than leer at her!

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

"Man, as we know him, is a poor creature; but he is halfway between an ape and a god and he is travelling in the right direction." (Dean William R. Inge)

On the mountaintop, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) spake thusly:

*adjusts her crown and sticks her tongue out at you*

-Mindy

"Daria, you're giving me a headache!!" -Quinn Morgendorffer, "Daria"

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On Fri, 05 Nov 99 20:41:03 GMT, [email] (Mindy) wrote:

*sneaks up behind Mindy and swipes it, screaming "YOU ARE ALL GOING TO HELL!!!!!!!!!"*

Kyle, he who means well The Manny Alexander of alt.sports.baseball.chicago.cubs

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*while Kyle is the middle of saying "HELL!!!!" she runs up and kicks him in the nuts, taking the crown home with an innocent smile for all*

hee hee...

cheryl

On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 23:34:12 GMT, wicka_chick wrote:

Whoa.  Did I just score?!?!?!?!?!?

Kyle, he who means well The Manny Alexander of alt.sports.baseball.chicago.cubs

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him

Ummmm...NO!! I see you're back...wonderful sense of will power ya got there Kyle :)

cheryl

On Mon, 08 Nov 1999 23:45:59 GMT, wicka_chick wrote:

I know, I know. It seemed like a good idea at the time, though.

Kyle, he who means well The Manny Alexander of alt.sports.baseball.chicago.cubs

On 02 Nov 1999 23:21:49 GMT, [email] (The troublesome one) wrote:

That's the way I great every new person that introduces themself. It comes from my favorite scene in "The Shawshank Redemption", in which the inmates see a new batch of prisoners coming in, and take bets on which will crack on their first night in prison. They "go fishing", taunting the new prisoners who are nearest their cell. They all chant "FRESH FISH!" really loud when the first one cracks.

Kyle, he who means well The Manny Alexander of alt.sports.baseball.chicago.cubs

On 2 Nov 1999 22:10:35 GMT, herecomethehawks@hockeymail.....com (Kyle) wrote:

<snip 400 more lines of hopefully sushi quality fish>

Wow. I've never seen so much fish in one place :)

Damon Orca on #Stars!