"Lane Miserables"

Nutty. That's all I have to say. Obviously, that last scene is going to spawn all sorts of trashy romance fanfics.

The Outsider wrote in message news:eHbj3.313$[email]...

You mean even more?

Anyway: A classic dysfunctional family story. Thought I'd die laughing. And Daria's fantasies never fail to entertain. She's got it bad.

Oh yeah: Silver Nitrate? I've been doing photography since I was 7 and I've never found the need to stock silver nitrate in my darkroom. Lots of other chemicals but never silver nitrate. Funny how the first chemical people think of when they think of photography is silver nitrate, never hydroquinone or paraphenylenediamine, or even the ubiquitous sodium thiosulfate.

I'd doubt Mr. Lane could be doing very complicated work in a bathroom. For the kind of work he's doing he needs a better-equipped darkroom. There didn't seem to be much room for that at stately Lane Manor.

R.K. Henry said:

Indeed. And if you've noticed, they are always pessimistic in whatever the context.

Quinn's fantasy was hilarious too, wasn't it?

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Always? Even the one in WWIH? ;)

Yup. I'm sure she'll be asking ppl for sodas (or something caffinated) well into her adult life...

Quinn the street bum: "Could you give me 25 cents for a soda?"

• Chad

Chad Page said:

Good point. That was an optimistic one. Course, that was explicitly what she would LIKE to see happen.

Sure, why not? The really funny part in my mind was that she was sitting on a throne monogrammed with a "Q" being served by a man out of a romance novel cover, who was totally and unselfishly devoted to her. The fact that what Quinn would most desire from this male specimen is a soda shows us how innocent Quinn actually is on a fundamental level.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15 Jul 1999 14:20:21 GMT, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:

I think her innocence was pretty obvious from the beginning. Look at this fragment from "This Year's Model"

Claude - Now girls, I want you to rub your hands over those virile young chests. You want them, they want you, all that is left is to find a place to let desire run free.

Quinn - Um, I have to go to the bathroom.

By the way, did you notice that the boys took off their shirts the wrong way. And I had thought everyone on earth would know by now that boy's and girls undress differently. Hmm, thinking about differences. Has anyone checked if the drawers get the buttons right. On the right side on boys' clothes and on the left for girls' clothes. There have to be some freaks here who watch the show frame for frame :-) MSB

On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 02:02:23 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (Matthias Benkmann), and it said:

They do? That's new to me. I suppose it's my general lack of experience watching girls undress. I'll have to watch that scene again and see if I can spot something being done wrong.

On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:42:55 GMT, [email] (Tarvok) wrote:

Girls use some kind of cross-grip, i.e. the right hand grabs the bottom seem of the shirt to the left and the left hand to the right. Then they pull it up. It's a really sexy way of doing it. Boys usually grab the collar of the shirt and pull it straight over their heads. The interesting thing is that these patterns are not taught to the children, they just develop. If you want to verify it, just find a couple of women and men with t-shirts or sweaters and tell them to take them off. After I heard about this thing on TV a couple years ago, I immediately had my parents and brother undress for me. It's amazing. You don't believe it before you see it. MSB

I use that "kind of cross-grip". You find me sexy?:) Actually, I used to grab the collar, but I found it stretched the collar all to hell, so I got into the habit of using the cross-grip. Good thing I have little cause to change my clothes near other groups of men (as in a locker room), else I might find myself being beat up for no obvious reason.:\

Len

On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:25:02 GMT, [email] (Len Pitre) wrote:

If you have a body like Jean-Claude van Damme (not the face, though) I might consider :-) If that's not the case, I better stick with that picture I digitized from a German TV commercial Go to http://www.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de/~benkmann/TelefonierenKostenlos.png to see it. I think it is a very lovely, sexy and aesthetic example of the cross-grip. In case you're wondering about what that text on the girl's belly says, it's "telephoning for free". In the ad she's there with her boyfriend, undressing piece for piece, each piece having a message that states an advantage of the phone company that's being advertised. Just when she starts to remove her undershirt (exposing the above message) her parents come in with shirts saying "Let's not go too far". I like this commercial very much because it combines advertisement with a positive message to teenagers. Oh, I almost forgot. If you are offended by partially exposed breasts, don't download the picture. I assure you, though, that the picture is aesthetic rather than offensive (just my personal opinion, of course).

I tried it a couple of times. I can't do that cross-grip. Besides, I would have to take off my glasses or I might drop them. For the collar-puller that's not necessary. And I'm not worried about stretched collars. Some (most?) of my t-shirts even have holes. As long as they're still in one piece, I don't care. MSB

[email] (Matthias Benkmann) wrote:

<snippage>

<more snippage>

M�nchen, huh? Weird. My mom went to Ludwig-Maximillian Uni there in the late 50's. Small world, nicht wahr?

rich.

Daria: "I always knew that I would die in Nowheresville"

Jane: "But I didn't think I'd die there quite so soon."

[email] (Matthias Benkmann) wrote:

Hm... I just grab a sleeve and pull, reach under, then grab another sleeve and pull, then lift the shirt off of my head. That way, my very fine red hair doesn't get all messed up. (Yes, I look in mirrors-- I guess I'm already going to Hell-- I might as well have good hair for the trip.)

diff'rent strokes, blah, blah, blah, diff'rent folks.

he who looks dull in his ratty sneakers. ;-) rich.

Quinn: People are so weird!

Daria: Some are weird. Some are just astonishingly self-centered and deceitful.

On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 04:54:50 GMT, [email] (paperpusher) wrote:

And what about short-sleeved t-shirts? Actually, when I was a kid I did it your way, too. I guess I changed the habit when I saw that TV report on the collar-pulling :-) I think it's more aesthetic (I like that word, hope I got the spelling right) because it's symmetrical (or would that be symmetric, I'm never quite sure). MSB

[email] (Matthias Benkmann) wrote:

That's what I do with short-sleeved t-shirts. Long-sleeved, too. Everything that doesn't have buttons meets the same fate.

While I appreciate aesthetics as much as the next guy, I just never got into the habit of "undressing to impress" in the locker room. But I don't think I'll go any further than that, in the interests of Good Taste. ;-)

rich

Brittany: Shut up, naked boy!

On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 02:23:31 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (Matthias Benkmann), and it said:

Dude, you're right! I never noticed that before, but now that I think about it, I realize this. I wonder why that is?

On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 18:44:37 GMT, [email] (Tarvok) wrote:

Well, the TV show where they pointed out the difference gave a possible explanation for men that I find pretty lame, though. They think it could be due to man's hunter-fighter nature (as always), because the collar-puller keeps your body more protected. However, I don't see how such a thing could evolve for safety reasons. After all, these kinds of clothes were not invented at the time that man lived in constant fear of being slain. So it wouldn't be an evolutionary factor. And it wouldn't explain women doing it differently. My guess is that it is just a funny side effect of all the other genetic differences between men and women and serves no pupose. A woman's movements differ from a man's movements in so many ways. It's just another one. Trying to explain everything with evolution is just one of those silly trends among scientists. MSB

On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:52:59 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (Matthias Benkmann), and it said:

If I were to guess, I'd say it has something to do with our shapes. I just tried the cross grip myself, sitting in front of the computer, and it doesn't work terribly well for me. The back of the shirt gets caught on my shoulder blades, and I end up streatching out the bottom of the shirt. Personally, I just grab a sleave, take my arm out, and then pull the rest of sideways, first my head, then my left arm.

[email] (Tarvok) wrote:

Good guess... the best way I can relate this is in artistic terms. When I say something is "2 heads wide," I mean it's as wide as two human heads stuck ear to ear. (It sounds icky, but it's the only way to measure proportions usefully. Trust me on this.) Okay, the human male is 2 heads wide at the shoulders, and 1.5 heads wide at the hips, giving his torso an inverted triangle look. The human female, however, it usually 1.5 heads wide at the shoulders, and 2 heads wide at the hips, giving her narrower shoulders in relation to her hips. So it should be much easier for a woman to do the cross-handed thing, since she has narrower shoulders in relation to her hips.

It's just a theory, of course.

rich.

Quinn: People are so weird!

Daria: Some are weird. Some are just astonishingly self-centered and deceitful.

yet more evidence of my masculine figure... :/

that's not what i do. weird. possibly quite telling as well lol..

lol.... ;)

On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 20:13:22 +0100, "endless, nameless" wrote:

I'm sorry, what does that acronym stand for again? MSB

On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:53:00 GMT, [email] (Matthias Benkmann) wrote:

Laughing Out Loud.

Variants include LMAO (Laugh My ermm....patootie Off :), ROFL (Rolling On the Floor Laughing) and a combo of the two, ROFLMAO. Then there's the somewhat more obscure and decidedly nonstandard ones such as ROFLMAOSHIPMP (Rolling On The Floor Laughing My @$ Off So Hard I'm Pissing My Pants :)

HTH (Hope That Helps)

Damon Orca on #Stars!

Actually, I abbreviate it ROTFL or ROTFLMAO.

Alternately, there are some other variants I've seen on my primary Duran Duran discussion group...ROTFWSLB (rolling on the floor with Simon LeBon...ahh, the Simonizers) and ROTFLMAOPIMP (rolling on the floor laughing my a** off, peeing in my pants...a variation on one of the abbreviations aforementioned.

Gee there's a lot of laughing being done in cyberspace. Hope that floor is carpeted.

As for other abbreviations, it took me a while to figure out "IRL" and "AFAIK", but there are still others I don't know. I think there's one that's sorta like "ISTM" or something that I can't figure out, and there's at least one other abbreviation people use around here a lot that I scratch my head at too. Maybe I should throw in the Duran Duran abbreviations so that others can feel what I feel.... AVTAK! IDWYL! WDYTYA! SO! GLOTS! OK, that's good enough. :)

Diane

Damon Domjan wrote:

Diane Aguilar of Diane Aguilar Stylistics writes:

It seems to me.

-Shez.

Thanks Shez. Just because you did that...

AVTAK: "A View to a Kill" IDWYL: "I Don't Want Your Love" WDYTYA: "Who Do You Think You Are?" SO: "Secret Oktober" GLOTS: "Grey Lady of the Sea"

The first four are Duran songs; the last one is a solo recorded by Simon LeBon.

:),

Diane

Shez wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:55:04 GMT, [email] (Damon Domjan) wrote:

Speaking of acronyms. What does "HMO" stand for (must have something to do with hospitals or medicine). I recall Jay Leno doing jokes about it a couple of times. But you Americans make up acronyms so fast that no dictionary can catch up. MSB

[email] (Matthias Benkmann) wrote:

HMO stands for a very painful process by which people pay very large lumps of cash to large greedy companies so that they can get sent to doctors they don't want to see who won't recommend treatments for them because they're too expensive for the largegreedy company. It is without doubt one of the worst ideas I've ever heard of.

HMO stands for "Health Maintenance Organization." HMOs are usually run by large insurance companies, sometimes by hospitals, and sometimes by "Healthcare Companies" that run all sorts of healthcare-related businesses. The way HMOs work is simple-- you pay a little less for your health insurance, and in return, the HMO does everything within its power to give you the most cost-effective healthcare they can get away with. Note I did not say "best healthcare." Some HMOs actually tell their doctors that they are not allowed to even *mention* certain treatments to patients. (See "Conflict of Interest.") Oh, yeah, and the best part? You get to choose your "primary care" doctor-- well, sort of. He has to be on their list of "approved providers." What does that mean? Simple-- he has signed a contract with the HMO. It doesn't mean that he's any good. Oh, and if you want to see a specialist, you have to get it approved by your "primary care" doctor-- who just happens to be owned by the HMO. Guess what the odds of getting referred are? Yep.

Sorry, but HMOs just piss me off. It's such a potentially deadly conflict of interest, it boggles the mind.

rich.

"Unethical is only two letters away from ethical..." -- Paul Michael Mercurio

Health Management Organization

Erin

"laugh out loud"

Matthias Benkmann of [posted via] Leibniz-

Laughs Out Loud.

As opposed to the more extreme ROFL (rolls on floor laughing). I've never had a ROFL moment myself when reading Usenet, but I've sometimes laughed so much I would probably have fallen over if I'd been standing, so I use ROFL to denote that. I seem to get fewer laughs on the net than I used to though, maybe it's because I've changed my reading patterns. Some of the postings to alt.folklore.computers used to be insanely funny (to borrow a Steve Jobsism), but you would probably need to be part of the computing subculture to get most of the jokes.

-Shez.

In article ,

That depends on what you mean by context.

Two examples:

In WWIH her "how the future should be" story was fairly positive in that it shows that Daria wants everything to work out for her family. A very positive image of the future, IMO. The pessimism isn't in the story, it's in how Daria perceives the reaction that the story got from her mother. No matter what she was thinking, when she saw Helen in tears after reading the story her first words were to ask if the story was bad.

In Lane Miz, Daria's fantasy right at the very end couldn't be less negative. She sees someone that she obviously has feelings for, on some level (I still think it's just a crush, but that's not the point), telling her that she's the best thing that ever happened to him. I think that is an optimistic fantasy. The bad part may have been that Daria didn't have this fantasy until after she said she was 'over' the crush and after the person that she obviously has feelings for told her he would ask her out if she were older.

I would contend that not all of Daria's fantasies are pessimistic, just that sometimes the real life implications of and reactions to them may be.

Very amusing. Quinn does mean queen in some language.

Quinn does mean queen in German. For more interesting tidbits about Quinn check out my site: The Depths of Shallowness http://members.xoom.com/QuinnM17/Quinn.html(shameless plug)

Later, Ben

Ben Guevara wrote in message news:opsj3.65471$[email]...

Not to mention "Keg Queen."

On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:29:56 GMT, "Ben Guevara" wrote:

Where'd you say you learned German? Hogan's Heroes? Wolfenstein 3D? The German word for queen is "K�nigin" (or "Koenigin" in case you can't type the o-umlaut). The word "Quinn" does not exist in the German language. Unlike Daria (=the Mighty) it doesn't even have a Latin meaning I think (could be a girl version of Quintus, Quentin,... meaning "the Fifth"). MSB

On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 02:03:27 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (Matthias Benkmann), and it said:

I took the time to research this name (just searched "Names" and "Origins" on Metacrawler, and found Parent Soup, which included a baby name finder). I quote:

QUINN: Irish Gaelic for "wise" or "queen." A unique choice for a boy or girl. Relatives: Quin, Quinton, Cuin, Quillan. Namesakes: Quinn Cummings, Quinn Buckner, Anthony Quinn.

The interpretation was right, but the language was wrong. Not German.

Silver nitrate is what was used to develop pictures back when photography was still in its infancy.

Prindora

Makes sense to me. Mr. Lane (did we ever get a first name) sounds like the kind of guy who'd use primative antique equipment and all kinds of weird emulsions.

Race ya to the dumpster..... :-)

Shannon

I said:

SongSylvan wrote in message ...

I say:

If you can keep up with a guy with a jetpack, sure. :-)

The Outsider (formerly known as Chris Smith)

The Outsider said:

Nah, that was the PREVIOUS one :)

This ep WAS a "romance" one, if ya didn't notice ... :)

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Actually I didn't. I was expecting comedy (A regular factor on the show). Hmmm, there was some comedy in the show. I take it all back. :-)