Once she goes to college, what will she study? I think one thing's for sure: It's not going to be law. MSB
What will Daria study?
S03E01 Daria!retroAug 2, 19996 months later76 posts by 27 posters
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Matthias Benkmann wrote:
Most likely what everyone else has been saying thus far...journalism. If not journalism, then English. She'd make a great English professor from what I've seen. Maybe even get someone like me to care about the subject.
Diane
My suspicion, based of WWIH, is that it will be the same as my major: journalism!
On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:53:04 GMT, [email] (Matthias Benkmann) wrote:
Kyle He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:53:04 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (Matthias Benkmann), and it said:
I'm not sure. She might even be one of those that go to college, never figure out what they want to do, and quit having accomplished very little. But, if her story in Write Where it Hurts is indication, she might study Journalism.
In article , [email] (Tarvok) wrote:
Take a look at "Muerta Las Vegaquot; where I look at Daria's dithering about a major.
When you read this, bear in mind that I was a Journalism major too.
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Michelle Klein-Hass wrote:
You also had Daria driving a Volkswagon in your fanfics and in speedtrapped..... Daria was driving a Volkswagon! You are Psychic!
On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 01:08:47 -0400, "Bob Ohler" wrote:
Not unless Lexus was purchased by Volkswagen. :-) The car that Daria was driving was clearly Jake's, and in "Daria!" we learned that Jake drives a Lexus. Maybe it doesn't *look* like a Lexus, but it's hard to go against on-screen continuity; ask anyone who's participated in the "Speedtrapped Scenery Debate." :-)
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Buuuuut... didn't Jake's Lexus get smashed up in #307? Maybe they got a VW to replace it.
-Mindy
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Mindy wrote:
I doubt it. The upside-down anarchy sign logo on the front of the car is still the same as it has been in episodes past.
--J.
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Bodyshop. Those guys can work miracles, though it's still a better idea to avoid needing their services in the first place.
On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 16:30:57 -0700, [email] (Michelle Klein-Hass) wrote:
I'm gonna be just like MsGeek when I grow up!
Kyle He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
Tarvok wrote in message news:[email]...
Or, in a surprising bit of turnabout and abandonment of ideals, she might only go to college to get her MRS degree (get married, for those who don't get that) and stay at home and raise babies. A worthy activity, to be sure, but certainly not what you'd expect from someone like Daria. Of course it should be acknowledged that there are a lot of very intelligent, highly-educated women who have decided that the best use of their time and talents would be to stay at home to raise very intelligent, highly-educated children and are "dropping out" of successful careers to do just that. You just can't ever tell.
Or maybe Daria might do well at marketing, like her dad. She displayed a talent for advertising in "Ill" when she got rid of Jake by telling him to get a soda, "...in a frosty cold can."
I think we can be assured that no matter how Daria spends her workdays, she's still going to spend a good deal of time writing. Regardless of whether she could make a living at it, she seems to enjoy it.
R. K. Henry said:
Have we ever seen any evidence that Daria's ideals would exclude such an outcome? Whatever the case, I strongly suspect she'll be a writer, since she seems to write even when she doesn't "have" to. When someone is driven to write, it doesn't much matter what their formal career (if any) is.
(Though I suspect that whether Daria marries and has children or not, she'll also work outside the house. Look at who her female role model is and how she behaves).
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Jordan S. Bassior wrote in message news:[email]...
don't
Several pieces actually. In WWIH she states she's not ready for children. In JOH she notes that she's never requested having Jake walk her down the aisle. Her general attitude toward her mother, the workaholic supermom-wannabe, suggests she might consider not even bothering with kids rather than risk being a less-than-attentive mother. In this respect I think she's being a little too hard on Helen. Helen may not bake cookies but she's not really a bad mother.
Sometimes the people who most vociferously eschew parenthood turn out to be the most ardent advocates. It's quite possible that when Daria finally meets Mr. Right, as opposed to Mr. Lane, she might very well decide there would be nothing more worthwhile than populating the earth with a few people carrying some of her chromosomes. (And who would doubt it?)
I think we can accept that as given, though Daria seems to excel in several other areas of artistic expression. She draws and paints better than most people, though not as well as Jane, and she also engages in photography, though I haven't noticed that she's as much of a devotee to those media as to the written word. Her interest seems to trend more toward creative writing rather than journalism, though with the state of journalism today I sometimes have a hard time distinguishing between the two.
She may write, but will she publish? I've "written" quite a bit myself, in my head or in my computer, but always clicking the "delete" button without showing anything to anyone, once again making the world safe from worthless drivel, preferring to confine my drivel to these newsgroups. There are lots of wannabe writers who churn out their drek and ship it by the ton to harried editors of every sort of publication who don't even bother trying to convince the "writer" that their product is total crap. The would-be writer then whines about how tough it is to break into writing. Even people who make their living by writing don't get paid all that much, making their mortgage payments through sheer productivity rather than by achieving the "big kill"--literary "piecework." I'll have to confess to having harbored at one time or another a secret fantasy of such a career but of course I have to disabuse myself of any such notion since lacking the intelligence and talent and being functionally illiterate tend to obviate such a career choice. I'll just have to find a new dream.
I've been mulling a fanfic in which Daria is a successful novelist who comes to the university to teach a course in creative writing. I will, of course, probably never commit it to silicon. Whew! Y'all dodged a bullet there! <G>
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A role model can be either positive, negative, or both. Daria might choose to adopt her mother's lifestyle or she might decide to do the exact opposite.
A writer, to a greater extent than most other professions, has greater range of options than most workers, especially with today's technology. It would probably be the very best choice for a stay-at-home mom. She might even consider home schooling her kids.
Looking at it from another angle, maybe she doesn't want to make a career out of her writing because it would become a chore rather than something she enjoys. For some people, it's like a recreational activity.
Bill.
"Jordan S. Bassior" wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:53:07 +1000, Bill Harper wrote:
Sounds plausible. _I_ will try hard NOT to become a professional programmer for the same reason. Unfortunately, our wishes seldom come true. She might be forced to work as a writer simply because it's the thing she's best at. After all, what else could she do? Of course, she's smart and could learn almost anything. But she doesn't want to end up in a job she cannot identify with. MSB
In article , "R. K. Henry" wrote:
More like Quinn's MO.
I don't think Daria would ever be a breeder.
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On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 11:51:42 -0700, [email] (Michelle Klein-Hass) wrote:
She hasn't ruled it out completely. Note that in WWIH, she said she's not *ready* for kids; she didn't say she flat-out didn't want them. That tells me that she'd probably want them when she feels more comfortable with the idea.
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Maybe not on a large scale, but she's hetero and I could see her having a child or two at some point in her life.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
In article , [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:
a child
Hey, so am I and my husband and I made the decision early on in our relationship *not to breed.* Neither of us have any complexes about passing our genes along, and let's just say not having kids has kept our relationship nice and simple and uncomplicated.
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Michelle Klein-Hass wrote:
I wish I had the luxury of being able to make such a decision. Being that I'm the only person around from a more than very specific lineage (Mom was an only child, and Dad was the only child brought from the particular union his "mother" had with his "father", and I'm an only child too) I don't have such a luxury to utterly and completely piss my parents and the rest of my relatives off like that. I don't know, I guess it's my Hispanic upbringing, but I couldn't shame my family like that. And believe me, in the situation I'm in, if I don't have children it'd definitely bring shame, or at least great heartache. Besides, I do want to be a mother, raise children the way I want them to be raised and all...little New Romantics who know how to behave themselves in public places, are polite, will work well in social situations (but not be social butterflies -- there's a difference between being a good guest in someone's dinner party and being the life of the party in a kegger), and who value intelligence and spirit building above all.
*sigh* I guess it takes all kinds.
Remembering what someone once told me, "Rise above, rise above, rise above", while breathing in and out *very* slowly,
Diane
Michelle Klein-Hass said:
I figured that from your comment. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with not reproducing ... especially since among humans the primary evolution is cultural rather than biological anyway. I haven't had any children yet ... I'd like to, but if I don't I won't feel like a "failure". I care a lot more about becoming a successful writer.
On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with having children either. It's a personal decision, which primarily affects the couple and the children they do or don't have.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:53:04 GMT, [email] (Matthias Benkmann) wrote:
I believe she'll almost certainly go into a field where good writing is required - aka Journalism/English/Creative Writing. I think it's quite evident that despite Daria's many talents in academia, writing is one of her strongest (if not the strongest) abilities.
To back up the journalism major idea, a journalist usually has to be objective and to tell things as it is - a quality I believe Daria has. Honest, direct, accompanied with good writing skills, I think Daria would make an excellent journalist.
And if anyone cares, I myself am a journalism major, so I may just be a little bias :)
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Well, in WWIH Helen told her to write things how she *wanted* them to be. With that as a guideline it seems she wanted to be a journalist who "wakes people up to the truth" as senior Jake put it. She also wrote that she wasn't ready for kids. So I guess that was how she *wants* things to turn out.
wicka_chick
"Remind me to run screaming into the night"- D
Thus far, everyone has taken the easy way out by saying "journalism" based on "Write Where It Hurts". What about Daria's fascination with bones and death? Archaeology may be her true calling.
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Violator's Toad wrote:
Journalism requires more interaction with people on a day-to-day basis than Daria seems to like.
If she were more into goo, I might say forensic pathology, but I'm not sure she is. Soo... some sort of engineering. But I wouldn't say which of mechanical, electrical, civil, chemical, materials or software she'd plump for.
Or how about an academic career in Eng Lit?
I have a question: Daria appears very bright, Ivy League standard. Here in England/Wales she'd be pressured to apply to Oxbridge - in Scotland, she'd be encouraged to study medicine. What would she be pressured to do in the States, if anything?
ttfn Maria h
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:06:01 GMT, [email] (MariaH) wrote:
Pressured by whom? MSB
Hello everybody! I want to know, if Trent will become Daria 's boyfriend?
@+ Shu
On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:48:24 -0400, "shu" wrote:
Yes.
Will the show be better for it? No.
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On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:48:24 -0400, "shu" wrote:
We all want to know that, but I think even Glenn Eichler hasn't decided that, yet. MSB
On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:48:24 -0400, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from "shu" , and it said:
Now _that's_ a question! Just looking for a lengthy discussion! One we've had millions and millions of times before, or is that skillions? Bazillions? Skikatikatrillions?!
<gee, I'm feeling silly now...>
In truth, I think it unlikely. They both obviously have feelings toward each other, but by the time Treant becomes convinced that Daria is both old enough, and gets over his "I'm a loser and she deserves better" attitude (perhaps by getting a job), she'll probably be off to some out of state college, both will think they've missed the boat (never realizing that if one of them says anything about it, the other would definately agree). The many years Daria will spend in college will, slowly but surely, distance them. If, by some freakish chance, they manage to hold onto their old "crushes" that long (and it has been known to happen) I think it likely that it wouldn't take them long to just decide to marry, thus bypassing the whole boyfriend-girlfriend thing almost completely.
On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:35:54 GMT, [email] (Tarvok) wrote:
Who's "Treant"? Is he related to Sandy, Staci, Mr. DiMartino, Jody, and the Morgandorfers?
<<in my "correct those idiotic misspellings" mode once again>>
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No, no, no. A treant is a living tree that likes to reach down and kill your AD&D character. (Then you have to do a dex check and save vs. oak.) *EVERYBODY* knows that... especially those of us who have oak-obsessed DMs.
-Mindy
"Wow! Your cake says Save Vs. Oak!" -Me, at our DMs birthday party
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Mindy said:
They were based on Tolkein's Ents, which were pretty much the same thing, and sentient to boot. They were the defenders of the magical forests of Middle Earth. They'd lost the Ent-wives long ago, though, and thus couldn't reproduce. The Ent-wives were (I quote from memory) "small and nut-brown and merry" (*). They don't sound much like Daria. (**)
(*) "Small" compared to a giant tree-like humanoid, anyway. We don't know how big they were compared to humans.
(**) "Small", yes. "Nut-brown", I guess if she was a tree-like creature. But "merry" ... I just don't see that, that's more like a dendritic Brittany.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
And "Treant" himself is a particually stupid Treant who is known by only the name of his race since he's too dumb to think up a proper name. Obviously he is the chief of a group of rogue bandit Treants who hassle the PCs...
Greg, who wishes his PCs would get to a decent level so he could throw Treants at them :P
Greg Pallis said:
He's not dumb, just lazy. He'd own a sundial but they just depress him.
They are criminales!
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Jordan S. Bassior wrote in message ...
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Hmmm... obviously is the PC is a possibly half-elvish mage, or perhaps a dumb human fighter called Keavan. Promising campaign, this :) Who wants to DM it?
On the mountaintop, "Greg Pallis" spake thusly:
What, they don't all do that? ;-D
Our DM hasn't waited. We're all about fourth or fifth level and fighting winged minotaurs and treants and the heavens know what else he'll throw at us next party...
-Mindy Who fears for the life of her female minotaur character, nicknamed "The Mindytaur"
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<SNIP a bunch of D&D stuff
I always wanted to get D&D when it first came out, but my mom thought I'd run away and live in a cave if she got it for me.
So I ran off and lived in a cave anyway. That showed her.
On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:48:29 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (Martin J. Pollard), and it said:
Yeah, yeah, I did it again. I don't know why I spell it this way, but I do, when I forget to check it.
shu wrote:
Have patience, m'dear. If/when Daria and Trent do hook up (which I'm rooting for since of course I'm a 'shipper), "Daria" will be in its last season of airing, which I'm not too anxious about. Just give them some time to have second thoughts, think about it, sleep over it, live their lives while they're debating about it, and then finally see an older, wiser Daria and an older, wiser Trent connect. It's going to take time, a whole lot of precious time, to do it right. ;)
Diane
[email] (Matthias Benkmann) wrote:
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I think Daria has parents that genuinely want what's best for her so, although they might each have their own preferance as to what they might like her to become career-wise, I think they will mostly just encourage her to do what she want to, what will make her happy, or, in Daria's case, content. Now her teacher's are another thing... Who knows what they might suggest. I imagine she might get some pretty extreme and conflicting advice from the faculty. And guidance counselors? Forget it! Not only is the bad-advice-giving-school-guidance-counselor a cliche, but it's a true cliche. My high school counselor told me not to take typing classes because I was college prep and would never need to learn how to type... so , of course, I became an english major. Believe me typing is a lot harder to learn when you have to learn while typing huge research papers. Anyway...
I personally think that Daria might become a writer of some kind. Journalism isn't the only writing career out there and I'm not sure that Daria would want to remain unbiased in her writing (rule #1 for all good journalists). I have a difficult time imagining Daria staying at home as a full time mother. I doubt that Daria acted much like a child even when she was a child. Being around children all day would definately drive her nutty. Jane, on the other hand, I could see staying home with her kids, painting, letting them make creative messes with their peanut butter and jelly sandwiches... Although, as I said, I would like to think of Daria becoming a professional writer of some kind, I have my doubts because, it seems to me that whenever she pictures herself as an adult she is wearing a white jacket like a doctor or scientist. But maybe I'm reading too much into this... Maybe she'll go into public relations and promote Trent's band :)
Marie
"Writers aren't exactly people, they're a whole lot of people trying to be one person." -F. Scott Fitzgerald
"Poetry is not a profession, it's a destiny." -Mikhail Dudan
cliche.
THAT'S what Lawndale high need. I KNEW something was missing. Maybe Ms. Li spent the money for guidence counselors on security guards.
And the Guidence Counselors at my high school would advise everyone who was not on an athletic team to join the army.
cliche.
THAT'S what Lawndale high need. I KNEW something was missing. Maybe Ms. Li spent the money for guidence counselors on security guards.
And the Guidence Counselors at my high school would advise everyone who was not on an athletic team to join the army.
Bob Ohler said:
Why?
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Jordon wrote:
was
You're asking me to explain the mental proccessing of a guidence counselor (who was also a DRIVER'S ED teacher!) ?? Sorry, that's beyond my abilities.
your guidance counselors have mental capabilities? like above that of a garden slug even maybe? lucky
Dagny
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On 24 Aug 1999 15:32:23 GMT, [email] (MarieRoss) wrote:
Hey, you're right. I, too, can see Jane as the perfect mother of a big and happy family. That she likes working with children was also an issue in "The old an the Beautiful", I think. She put a lot of energy into her job at the children's ward of the hospital. And she definitely has enough experience running a house on her own,...with Trent.
She is too honest for PR. MSB
Marie Ross said:
One of the things I truly love Helen for is that despite all her fanatical career-mindedness, she doesn't really push Daria into doing things she hates or try to make her pick a career to please her mother. Instead, she's accepting and supportive of any positive decision Daria makes. Which is being a good mother.
I can believe it.
Yeah, I know. Me, I learned how to touch-type in high school, and when I had to do long reports later this only served as practice. Getting a computer word processor and using it brought my speed up over 70 wpm. And my current job involves a LOT of typing.
Heh ... it would be hard to see Daria adhering to the PC bullshit they enforce on journalists these days. And harder still to see her NOT sneaking in sarcasm (like describing evildoers as "morality challenged" or some such thing).
If she has kids, she'll probably hire babysitters a lot.
She seems to have been nastier and more excitable as a small child, but it's hard to see her being too immature save in the ways she STILL is immature.
Heh, the more you say this the more I can actually see it.
she
scientist.
It's hard to say exactly what she was in the daydream sequence.
Heh ... I could see her doing this on the side no matter what else happens :)
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
On 25 Aug 1999 01:48:29 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (Jordan S. Bassior), and it said:
"extra hours at the gene-splicing lab" (Lane Misrables)
Bio-technician.
Tarvok wrote:
This could be completely wrong because I'm eposidally challenged, but I think Daria would like to be a professional writer because in WWIH she writes about how she wants the future to be. And guess what she was doing?
Bill
No, she's just being manipulative. She knows that the way to undermine Daria's intended course of action in anything is to support it, since anything a parent approves of is automatically a "bad thing" to rebels like Daria.
I don't see Daria as a scientist. She never talks about science and shows little curiosity in the physical world around her, and it's a burning desire to learn about the world that makes people become scientists. Despite her antisocial nature, people seem to interest her the most, so I would expect her to do something in the arts, of which writing certainly seems to be her thing. She might become a novelist or a critic perhaps.
One of the things I used to like about Clarissa was that she was very positive about science, and despite her journalistic bent sometimes referred to herself as a scientist. She also spoke of some scientists by name, eg. comparing herself to Marie Curie. Although I haven't checked to be sure, it seems to me that the only people Daria specifically refers to are writers and a few generic historical/political figures. Despite episodes such as The Lab Brat, I don't think science is her "thing" or it would feature in her everyday talk (though perhaps it would be accurate to say that of the creators of Daria, since I guess it's their world view which we're seeing).
-Shez.
I don't know about Daria as a novelist; I'm sure she could do it but given her "antisocial nature" she might end up becoming a hermit. (Rip-off idea! Daria as a novelist and UpChuck as her #1 fan!)
Daria would make a good critic, though. Of course, would she like anything? Her standards are so high she'd probably make a better <shudder> editor.
Marie
You don't have to suffer to be a poet. Adolescence is enough suffering for anyone." -John Ciardi
"There is only one trait that marks the writer. He is always watching. It's a kind of trick of the mind and he is born with it." -Morley Callaghan
well she get write a great novel and THEN become a hermit. That always works. Builds up anticipation for the great amount she's been writing and not publishing. Hehe.
A few things although if it was in some sort of capacity of reviewing new books, music, whatever, probably not, she's more into classic stuff... or at least older...
Dagny
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Hopefully not. There's a great art critic who writes for a London newspaper, Brian Sewell, who has achieved fame largely because he hates pretty much everything he reviews. This should not be difficult of course given that most "art" is crap, but for some reason most art critics seem unable to criticise. Similarly there's a wonderful arts programme on BBC2, Late Review; absolutely everything that comes under their scrutiny can be guaranteed to be slated by at least one of the people on the show. There's always an angle of attack on even the best things, like when Tom Paulin dismissed the Oscar-winning "Madness of King George" as "a travesty of history", and said of Blur's latest album: "This is like listening to someone beating wire netting at the bottom of a pond"
-Shez.
Shez wrote:
Ah, but music critics are crap. They're all frustrated musicians who aren't talented and ardent enough to become a success at performing, so they relegate themselves to the role of uppity critic. Music critics are the *worst*. They are guaranteed to write a positive review for any artist deemed "cool" to listen to or too ugly and/or derivative to be considered anything but "avant garde". Pearl Jam is one example of a music critic's wet dream -- four ugly guys, led by a egotistical self-righteous maniac who can't sing worth a damn, whose moodiness was fresh for its first major release ("Ten") but after the second or third album became trite and hackneyed. Because they're ugly and "politically motivated" (how much the rest of the band aside from the lead singer really buys into what they "support" is up for debate) the music critic finds himself able to transfer himself onto the group and live vicariously through them...that's why they get so many positive reviews. However, I cannot find one single positive review about the musical group Japan...why? Because they didn't lord over the listener with heavy "political" messages (not to say the individual members weren't political, they were, except they were so privately), because their lyrics were too deep for the average stoned-out-of-their-mind music critic to understand/decipher, and because the band members were gorgeous (especially leader David Sylvian and fellow bandmate/real life brother Steve Jansen).
If all the music critics were to die in some accident, I'd feel some deep satisfaction and it'd be heaven on earth. Compared to music critics, the lowest of lawyers are gods with high moral standards. And I mean *all* of them.
(And don't get me started with Duran Duran. I have some acid words for music critics re: their treatment of my beloved band.)
Diane
I have to agree... although i liked the NME's comment re: the manics at V99: "No-one else is fit to piss in their toilet." (the Manics being semi-notorious for having to take their own portaloos to festivals.)
oh dear oh dear.... :)
btw...GCSES... i only got one C! woohoooooo :)
In article , [email] wrote:
... And all the rest were Bs upwards?
Or Ds and below? ;P
Bs upwards. Otherwise i would not be "woohoooo"ing. ;P
endless, nameless wrote:
Now that's quotable. And news to me too. Ah well, I can perfectly understand the reasoning why.
LOL. I get this "feisty" when someone criticizes "Daria" in front of me, as well. And I've only been a Darianite for what, two years? What's that one review that pissed all over the show, the one from Ultimate TV from something...anyways, when I read that I felt like ramming something long, hard, and sharp down both the reviewers' throats. Now imagine the same sort of scenario with something I've been obsessed about for six more years.
Hey, congratulations Ms. 4 A's. I'm happy for you.
Diane
I saw some of V99 on tv. a friend of mine was there, i think. Maybe that was Reading. but anyway... Mel C.. LOL!
heh, i wasn't *quite* that annoyed about it. :)
Eep...
Three A's. Four A*'s. ;)
i'm quite pleased with myself for those, hah. :)
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I am the Antichrist, I am the sporty spice....
I liked that :) Good change. Unforgivable of course, but for some reason I can't make myself feel anything worse than mild approval :P
for music
as well.
review that
something...anyways, when I
the reviewers'
I just discovered I don't get mine at all until Tuesday, I think, due to the fact that I was taking only the two I was taking early :( 5 more days of suspence :( Lol, plus I have parents that lead me to honestly and unexageratedly believe that Jody has it easy :P
I hope that's a reference to your lowest mark, not your only mark! What were the others?
-Shez.
4 A*s (as i said in a previous post), 3 As, and 2 Bs. The C was for electronics (of course).
Hallucinating Elvis Lady of Diane Aguilar
Ah, I've just noticed that the Hallucinating Elvis Lady is in fact Deena Lissa in yet another of her disguises!
This particular guy isn't a music critic by trade. He's usually described as a "poet and critic", but I think his day job is as a university lecturer in literature or something. They have quite an eclectic bunch of guests on in rotation on Late Review. Two are journalists, but the rest seem to be largely from academia. Tom Paulin is the best one for disdainfully pissing on everything from on high, but overall my favourite is Germaine Greer. As you can probably imagine, these guys are game to diss anything, not just albums and movies. On the rare occasions they do all like something it's a real event.
-Shez.
Shez wrote:
LOL. Sorry. I just happen to be so into the new DD song "Hallucinating Elvis" that I've made it a new nickname. I'm still Diane. I even sign out as Diane. And "deena lissa" is dead, btw.
OIC, so it's more like a parody of actual criticisms? If it is, then it's almost dead on accurate. I do know, though, that some movie critics can be quite rational. I know most of the time I agree with Roger Ebert and local critic Larry Ratliff. Some movie critics are OK. Visual arts critics...well, they're supposed to be pretentious. And book critics...I've read some entertaining criticisms, so at least they want to make you enjoy their writing. As for music critics...agh, I think they're the scourge of the earth. But that's me.
Diane
Hallucinating Elvis Lady of Diane Aguilar
No it's a genuine Arts review programme, but it's very wide-ranging - one minute they might be discussing the books on the shortlist for the Booker Prize, the next they'll be talking about a new art exhibition at the Tate or a new film or tv series. I think they even reviewed political election broadcasts one year. Everything is done as a round-table discussion though, it's not a case of specialists giving their own opinion unchallenged, they usually all disagree with one another as to whether something is good or not. One of the funniest things with Tom Paulin though is that he's incapable of discussing a film or a novel without giving the ending away. The others always try and head him off at the pass as he gets the bit between his teeth, but rarely succeed.
-Shez.
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Deena
You only just now noticed that? You can't have been paying attention.
Diane I mean "Hallucinating Elvis Lady" wrote:
<Snip long, justified rant against music critics>
I think this applies to ALL critics (except for that loveable Jay Sherman, of course!) By definition a cri-TICK is a parasite who makes their living off of other peoples creative work.
Bob Ohler wrote:
Beautiful quote! OK if I quote you from time to time?
Diane
Go ahead. The cri-TICK thing comes from a Piers Anthony book. & RA Heinlein used to say that he had nothing against critics, he just didn't think they should be allowed to ride in the front of the streetcar.
well at least you're not bitter. --- ~Po CROWDSURFERS WILL BE EJECTED FROM THE BUILDING. It can be harmful, and most of all disrespectful to climb on other people's heads. Crowdsurfing should only be done naked and in the privacy of your own home.
Thank you The Beastie Boys
Shez wrote in message news:[email]...
anything?
It's an easy option, for lazy editors who want their arts pages talked about, to set people on reviewing art forms they don't really like. Not that I imply this in the case of Brian Sewell, of course. I can't see Daria co-operating with that approach: if she took a reviewer's job, and had the choice, it'd be for an editor who actually wanted thoughtful, reflective criticism of whatever she was reviewing. Of course, she might not get the choice, and hack work pays the gas bill, but I guess it might make her feel dirty. The bad kind of dirty.
I get the impression that before Clive James [1], most newspaper TV critics didn't really like TV. James did, but that didn't make his writing dull - he really can write, and his references suggest he's at least as well-read as Daria! My holiday reading was his first three books [2], and as well as some truly thought-provoking comments (It really makes you think...), there were some hilarious bits. In fact, the other people in the pub noticed. What they made of the big, bearded, bespectacled bloke, sitting on his own with a pint of Monkman's Slaughter and occasionally laughing out loud as he read, none of them chose to say... ;-)
Martin.
[1] He's now a TV personality, perhaps the most famous Australian working regularly (ruling out Barry Humphries there) on British TV, but he used to be The Observer's TV critic. [2] _Visions Before Midnight_, _The Crystal Bucket_, and _Glued to the Box_. They were once available in a one-volume collected edition, but not it seems, any more. The only one that seems to be in print is _The Crystal Bucket_: URL: http://www.bookshop.co.uk/ser/serdsp.asp?shop=3530&isbn=0330267450&DB=220
Marie Ross said:
Novelists have a long tradition of retiring from society to write their books. (So see! There's hope for you too! ;-)
Heh ... I can easily see Upchuck as her #1 Fan. Of course, I suspect you meant that in a different sense ... "Misery Chick" indeed, heh heh heh ...
Now THAT is SCARY :)
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
MarieRoss wrote:
I can see her making a good editor. I do a bit of it myself, and it's a great way to combine your writing skills with anger. There's nothing like marking up someone's piece so much there's more of your writing on it than theirs. Sometimes I wonder if I enjoy it way too much.
Bill