*Daria . . . the season thus far*

        After six months of waiting,  I had built up quite high
expectations for season three of  DARIA.  It is not fair to say I had
*unreasonable* expectations, because, afterall, why should I not expect
season three to be every bit as good as the second half of season two?
Sadly, this has not been the case. The first four episodes have been
uneven at best,  and at worst, downright awful.
        This seasons, DARIA has lurched haltingly from the innovative
novelty of the characters bursting into song:  �DARIA!� (I still have
major misgivings   as to the concept of a musical Daria. On the one
hand,  I applaud the producers willing to take a risk�but my gut
reaction tells me that ultimately it was a silly idea);  to the outright
failure of: �DEPTH TAKES A HOLIDAY.� (Yes, Virginia, I get the lame pun
of the title)  . . .  With the other two episodes falling somewhere
in-between
        �THROUGH A LENS DARKLY� is the only episode so far this season
that I truly liked.  The only episode worthy to be ranked with some of
the best episodes of season two.  What makes TALD the best of the four,
is that it focused on Daria and her struggles with her perfectionist
ideals and the reality of her own fallibility.  This was a morality
play. Daria has to confront the intractable situation that  her
perfectly idealized moral principles do not always translate to the real
world.  Aunt Amy has a nice cameo, and there was some good
mother-daughter conversation between Helen and Daria reminiscent of
�WRITE WHERE IT HURTS.�  Overall, a strong episode.
        �THE OLD AND THE BEAUTIFUL� was a one trick pony. The writers
relied too heavily on the on the premise that Daria�s monotone voice
drove nursing home residents into fits of depression.   While Brittany�s
irksome squeak, and Kevin�s puerile stupidity are not only more
desirable, but further perpetuate the myth that to be attractive and
popular is an end-all in itself. Funny?  I wouldn�t give it more than a
�mildly amusing.�  The fashion club sub-plot on the other hand went
along way to redeem this otherwise weak episode.  I really caught myself
snickering at their bombastic, selfish, snobbish antics, culminating in
the laugh-out-loud presentation to Ms. Li  of the go-go boots and belly
chain.  Now that was funny!
        Worse by far this year, undoubtedly  the worst episode of Daria
ever conceived is: �DEPTH TAKES A HOLLIDAY.� The episode possessed
neither pathos, humor,  nor Dariaesque cynicism that is the cartoon�s
halmark.
Quinn once again had nothing to do except wail and lament about the
possibility of Jake and Helen having another baby. (Even though this was
a trivial sub-plot, the potential for Quinn�s ousting as the baby of the
family was singularly the most interesting event)�Helen and Jake are
reduced to lust crazed parodies of themselves (yeah, yeah, parents
having sex, very funny).  So, we learn Daria has a full blown
school-girl crush on Trent.  We knew that already.
        Well, no sense in beating a dead horse. Its enough to say that
season three has thus far turned into a major disappointment.

�S. Mc Allister

Q�0 wrote in message ...

Don't listen to the troll Steven. He's a coward (and quite possibly a looser) who hides behind a veil of Anonymity. That renders anything he might say meaningless. Your post was fine by me and I agree with it. If however you get a few polite requests, you might want to consider changing. But what the hell, if someone doesn't like a message you post, they don't have to read it. Warren http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/6927/

On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:38:39 -0800, "Warren" wrote:

And don't forget, "he's been in this newsgroup longer than any of us."

Yep, and I created the Internet, computers, and that little clump of cotton that always gets stuck in the neck of a bottle of aspirin.

"Sarcasm. It's a great way to deal." -- Amy Barksdale

Martin (to send E-mail, remove the "nospam" from my E-mail address) ---- Quinn: "When they got nervous, they'd drink cocoa." Helen: "Now, sweetie, there's nothing to worry about." (door slams) "Looters!" ---- Outpost Daria: Your Online Database for All Things Daria! http://systech.simplenet.com/daria/

"Q�0" wrote:

Oh, wow, you've been here a long time. That must mean you're a better person than most of us here, right? That means we should all like you, because you're so wonderful, you've been here since 3/7/98. What a wonderful social life you must have, you've spent a year posting to a newsgroup full of people you don't get along with.

I know, I know, shouldn't feed the trolls, I'm sorry....

On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:19:45 +0000, "endless, nameless" wrote:

What I don't get is how he says he's been here that long. I've only been here for a few months, but, from my vantage point, the appearance of "Q�0" has been a relatively recent occurance. Unless he's been trolling since the newsgroup was created (under another name), or perhaps posts legitimately as someone we all know and love, he really hasn't been here that long; that or he stopped posting for a while, and started up again at least a month after I got here.

Tarvok wrote:

I think he (I'm assuming it's a "he", call me sexist if you want <g>) said he only comes on here when there's a new season or something, which shows real dedication, don't you think? <g> Anyway, it doesn't matter whether he's been here for two days or since the newsgroup was formed, he's still a twat.

I was trying to be nice to everyone, but I've given up, LOL...

"Q�0" wrote:

You think we discuss reruns when there's no new episodes? LOL.

I wasn't trying to hurt, I was expressing my opinion.

Isn't that more than a little arrogant? That implies that you see yourself as so much better than all these idiots. I'm not going to go into whether or not you are an "idiot", but I can't see that it's right to discriminate against people on the basis of their IQ.

"Q�0" wrote:

Modest, aren't you? Daria's actually funny, you realise.

I probably would hate Daria if she was real. She's a bitch. Bitchiness is a quality I admire, but I can't get along with a bitch.

Alli said:

Daria would be harder to get along with IRL than many people realize, precisely because she can be nasty. But I'd argue that her nastiness is more sarcastic than truly malicious, and that for this reason it would be possible to get along with her if one made the effort. Of course, her isolation is her own fault; people shouldn't be forced to make that much of an effort to get along with you. Daria's extremism gets in the way of her making friends.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

The troll speaks blasphemy! Its so-called "humor" is in no way in the style of Daria. Let us no longer feed the troll.

Jeg7777 wrote:

LOL, I'm sorry everyone, I know I've been feeding the troll.... but it pisses me off more than the *really* stupid trolls, and besides, I can't not talk back to people.... :)

In article , "endless, nameless" wrote:

I'll disagree about Daria being a bitch but only because I apparently define "bitch" differently. I do NOT think a female qualifies as a bitch because she's independent or assertive. Females have every right to express their opinions and insist on being granted their due. Women who do that are really more useful than the quiet types who never speak up. I define a bitch as a female who is simply mean, a woman who causes trouble for no other reason than to simply cause trouble, who is unpleasant just for the fun of being unpleasant. I've never seen any evidence that Daria behaves in that way. Ms. Barch--yeah. This bitch goes out of her way to cause trouble for the boys in her class, just because they're guys, just because her ex-husband isn't available to abuse.

Come to think of it, I don't know that you could really call Daria assertive either. She's often allowed other people to injure her without responding overtly. She only acts when she feels strongly about something and then often in a covert way. I can't think of a single incident when Daria has ever been unpleasant. Her attacks are often so subtle that frequently her victims don't even realize that they've been attacked. Quite clever! But I wouldn't call it bitchy.

Bob

[email] wrote:

I agree, I didn't mean that she's a bitch because she expresses her opinion! :)

I'd say a bitch is just a woman who's nasty to people, for whatever reason. And I think Daria is nasty to people, although mostly you could argue that they deserve it.

She's a bitch, yeah, and a worse bitch than Daria.

Yeah, clever, but whether they realise it or not, it's nastiness. If she insulted me I'd notice it, and obviously I wouldn't be too happy about it. :)

"Q�0" wrote:

I "get" Daria's humour. Most of your posts aren't funny at all, they're just nasty.

"Q�0" wrote:

There's a difference between being nasty and being funny. I don't watch Daria because Daria's a bitch, I watch it because she's a funny bitch and it's a cartoon. If she was real and I knew her in real life, I'd tell her to stop being such a bitch. I would at least acknowldge that she was funny, though. You aren't funny, and you shouldn't call people names just for posting in HTML, especially if you use a really crap insult like "nitwit".

On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:02:46 -0800, [email] (Q�0) wrote:

I agree that, put in the context of the way you claim your posts should be taken, they're not anywhere near as bad as they seem _without_ that context. Notice that there is a difference between you and Daria: we can _hear_ her voice, but we only _see_ your text. Indeed, the posts that originate these flamewar threads are not a problem.

My problem is the fact that, when certain others become offended and say as much, rather than explaining your position, you return insult with insult. If you must compare your sense of humor to Daria, then let me tell you what Daria would NOT do: continue to badger the idiots. Daria lets off a shot, then goes back to whatever she was doing.

Still, she has yet to encounter someone who, upon being offended, instead of leaving in a huff (like Quinn does), would stick around and continue to argue until they'd gotten their point across (aside from Principal Li, who it wouldn't be smart for Daria to mouth off at). I wonder what would happen if this were to occur?

On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 01:28:34 GMT, [email] (Tarvok) wrote:

<snippage>

Please don't feed the trolls - make good use of your "kill" filters :)

Damon Orca on #Stars!

In article , [email] (Q�0) wrote:

That explains the picnic basket in WWIH...

-Nitwit Mind�

On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:00:19 -0800, [email] (Q�0) wrote:

Not particulary. The originating post of THIS thread, while a valid opinion, was decidedly counterproductive in it's voice. (though I wouldn't have replied to the original post at all) Either you're just a _really_ ineffective communicator, or you didn't really want to see the guy change his posting style, you just wanted to take a cheap shot at someone. Notice the difference between my _request_ for him to stope using html, and your flame. If I were in his position, I'd feel like continuing to use html, however good an idea switching would be.

I think she's not really bitter, just witty. I've known a few people in my time that would put people down, but be so funny about it even the target would laugh. An example in the area of professional comedy is Dennis Leary (gotta love that guy, even if he is an "Ass Hole" <g>). Daria I put in this same category, at the high end of the intellectual spectrum (as far from Leary as one can get ;). But it's all in the delivery. For all I know, you might be someone who could make me LMAO in real life; but, unless you do some serious annotation (like this: <in a Jake voce> "But I _like_ Rugrats!"), text is just plain an inadequate delivery for this style of humor.

No, she couldn't win, because the type I've described NEVER GIVE UP. You can have them in a corner of logic, have proven absolutely, to yourself, to your observers, and to the person himself, that that person is in the wrong, and that person will continue to argue. (My sister is a good example of someone who can do this when she really wants to; I have a co-worker who is the same). Once this point is reached, if you continue to try to get this person to concede, you only end up frustrated and angry; thus, the jerk has succeeded at his goal.

What I have described is, effectivly, a troll. I'm sincerely trying to give you a chance here, Q�0. Don't go and prove youself to be what I have described here.

Tarvok wrote:

LMAO! Oh my, that was the most accurate description of me that I have ever read! I know, it's really annoying, it's a really bad habit, but I can't stop doing that! My dad is like that too, and I am the only person who can beat him in an argument, LOL...

In article ,

Tarvok has saved this thread, thanks. The way I see it, Daria should be on shaky ground with Miss Li because of past experience. I mean she called those mercenaries in "This Year's Model" (which may or may not have been traced back to her), she committed 'vandalism' in "Arts 'N Crass," Miss Li nearly got in a cat fight with Helen in "The Daria Hunter," etc. I think Daria would be quick enough to pick her battles carefully (i.e. she would make sure she had an open-and-shut case before proceeding), knowing full well that Miss Li is in a position to do some nasty things to her (she could also be considered bitchy, I guess).

So if this were happen, which I don't think it would, Miss Li would probably argue until it was obvious that she was wrong and then she would quit and say something like "Ms Morgendorffer! Two weeks detention."

Mike Quinn [email] "...the race is long, and in the end it's only with yourself..."

On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:02:46 -0800, [email] (Q�0) wrote:

HTML is read by most newsreaders, and is fairly common in many newsgroups.

Who convinced themselves that I didn't get it, then made comments on how dumb I was, only to find out that I did get it, but used it as a springboard to make a point on another topic?

It's not that "the lame brains here don't get it", it's that you do a very poor job of it. I see it, I understand the meaning, it's just not funny.

___
Kyle

Trying is the first step towards failure

Cubs Win! Cubs Win! The Good Lord wants the Cubs to win!

You win, Q-dude. You are clearly much more intelligent than the humble Kyle, despite my genius level IQ and numerous awards for intelligence and creativity.

This is one more idiot who will start ignoring you. You are one step closer to having all us idiots giving up trying to talk to you. When noone is talking to you, it will validate your obvious intellectual superiority. Until then, you can continue pointing out what the rest of us assumed was implied (such as the definition of HTML or the meaning of WWJD?) and make it sound like we never thought of it.

___
Kyle

Trying is the first step towards failure

Cubs Win! Cubs Win! The Good Lord wants the Cubs to win!

Kyle wrote:

Yes! Thank you Kyle. That's what I was trying to say! :)

"Q�0" wrote:

You know, you could have just said to the guy posting in HTML, "Don't post in HTML, some newsreaders don't decode it" instead of calling him "nitwit".

Oh, get a bloody life. Everyone on here except you knows that Kyle is neither "dumb" nor "humour-impaired". Besides, if we're all so dumb and you're not a troll, what the fuck are you doing here?

So you think you *are* funny?

On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:18:30 +0000, "endless, nameless" wrote:

He's not funny, he's an arrogant troll whose sole reason for being is to get a rise out of people and enjoy every minute of it, and as such, we need to stop feeding him and start ignoring him and his arrogant, know-it-all, holier-than-thou comments.

Martin (to send E-mail, remove the "nospam" from my E-mail address) ---- Quinn: "When they got nervous, they'd drink cocoa." Helen: "Now, sweetie, there's nothing to worry about." (door slams) "Looters!" ---- Outpost Daria: Your Online Database for All Things Daria! http://systech.simplenet.com/daria/

"Martin J. Pollard" wrote:

I am trying to do that but it's so bloody hard! LOL, this is going to sound very odd, but the guy is just like my brother! :)

"Q�0" wrote:

Yeah, right.

In article , "endless, nameless" wrote:

So, can Kazul eat him?

Mike Quinn [email] "...the race is long, and in the end it's only with yourself..."

Mike Quinn wrote:

Didn't Kazul once say something about not wanting to eat trolls? I guess that rules out both that Q guy and my brother, who is like a troll except not on the internet, or something.

What, and get indigestion?

"Q�0" wrote:

<sigh> Daria is a cartoon. What Daria does in her life probably won't work very well in your life.

How mature.

Why? Do you have a problem with democracy?

Why aren't you doing that then, instead of insulting people for posting in HTML?

If you leave, there'll be less people. If you stay, there'll also be less people, because others will start to leave. I will admit, btw, that this would partly be my fault for not ignoring you, but I will also admit to being by no means mature enough to do that. <g>

If you don't like the newsgroup as it is, find another newsgroup.

I don't care if Tarvok "gets it", I don't "get it". Your "humour" is too basic, unless it's far more complex than I could ever see and it's all gone right over my head which is a possibility, but if nobody "gets it" then it's not funny, whatever the reason for nobody "getting it" may be.

On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:06:43 -0800, [email] (Q�0) wrote:

He's right, of corse, but I still maintin that the hostile nature of this post indicates he want a fight more than plain text.

Troll.

In article , [email] wrote:

No! this is flat wrong. Sure, there are people using Outlook or accessing through a browser or dejanews, but there are also lots of people here using dedicated text-based Usenet newsreaders. Text-based threaded newsreaders are lowest common denominator for which posters _should_ be conforming.

Of course, people can continue to post in HTML, but they have to realize that only people with HTML newsreaders are going to bother reading their posts. When I see HTML posts, I usually just move on.

On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:43:35 -0500, [email] (absmith) wrote:

Absolutely. For example, the newsreader I'm using is Forte's Agent (it's old but it's great), and it does not support HTML text. And that's not to mention the vast array of Unix and Linux newsreaders that are text only.

Besides, imbedded HTML is just plain dangerous, thanks to the ability to imbed JavaScript. There was a big furor about this some time ago, with warnings going out to users of news and mail readers that support HTML (such as Microsoft's Outlook products [ptooey!]).

Martin (to send E-mail, remove the "nospam" from my E-mail address) ---- Quinn: "When they got nervous, they'd drink cocoa." Helen: "Now, sweetie, there's nothing to worry about." (door slams) "Looters!" ---- Outpost Daria: Your Online Database for All Things Daria! http://systech.simplenet.com/daria/

absmith wrote:

LOL, this may sound odd, but I don't usually bother reading HTML posts not because my newsreader doesn't read them, but because I don't like the font.... <g>

In article ,

Dejanews does not read in HTML and spit out HTML either. It's another purely textual newsgroup accessor. I can attest to the fact after seeing many a post in this and other newsgroups written in HTML, with the main body surrounded by a sea of worthless HTML code. Just thought you'd might like to know.

deena lissa who missed "Daria Dance Party" but is looking forward to seeing it rerun

"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?

In article , deena lissa wrote:

Ah, you're right. They translate all the special characters and use the <PRE></PRE> preformatted tags. They probably do this to prevent problems that might arise if someone were to say, post some javascripts in a message.

No, Kevin, she said organism. That's not the same as orgasm.

And that is relevant to....?

Dagny misery chick, cynic, general loony

Visit the Parsley Firefly http://members.aol.com/Eccles9697

"One must have chaos in one, to give birth to a dancing star. I tell you: you still have chaos in you." Friedrich Nietzsche

NOW I get it, Q;*!, your that kid from "Gifted" who got beat up by the football players.

On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:19:00 -0800, [email] (Q�0) wrote:

___
Kyle

I saw the best mind of my generation. I was looking into a mirror at the time.

Cubs Win! Cubs Win! The Good Lord wants the Cubs to win!

On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:43:54 -0800, [email] (Q�0) wrote:

WWQ*&!@D?

___
Kyle

I saw the best mind of my generation. I was looking into a mirror at the time.

Cubs Win! Cubs Win! The Good Lord wants the Cubs to win!

"Q�0" wrote:

Have you *nothing* better to do than this?

Please don't feed the troll. Thank you for your cooperation.

Prove it. I have been here since June '98 and the first I've seen from you seemed to be in the last couple of weeks.

BTW, What does anyone have against acrhiving your posts- it's not like half the world can't read them anyway?

Mike Quinn [email] "...the race is long, and in the end it's only with yourself..."

On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:38:39 -0800, "Warren" wrote:

Actually, though I don't agree with his style, I do agree with his opinion on this. Having to wade through several lines of mime encoding, then having to filter out the html tags, while not crippling, does give me a slight touch of the eyestrain.

Tarvok wrote in message ... snip

This qualifies as a reasonable request. From his post, Steven seems to be an intelligent guy and will probably consider changing his style. I can't speak for him of course but in his place, that's what I would do. You Tarvok carry a lot of weight around here. From your posts and your web page, you sound like a hell of a guy. Someone I'd be proud to have on my "friends" list (if you lived in the Seattle area). If I were in error in some situation and you pointed it out, I would certainly consider fixing the problem.

On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:40:10 -0800, "Warren" wrote:

Aww... shucks.... <embarrassed grin> :)

        After six months of waiting,  I had built up quite high
expectations for season three of  DARIA.  It is not fair to say I had
*unreasonable* expectations, because, afterall, why should I not expect
season three to be every bit as good as the second half of season two?
Sadly, this has not been the case. The first four episodes have been
uneven at best,  and at worst, downright awful.
        This seasons, DARIA has lurched haltingly from the innovative
novelty of the characters bursting into song:  �DARIA!� (I still have
major misgivings   as to the concept of a musical Daria. On the one
hand,  I applaud the producers willing to take a risk�but my gut
reaction tells me that ultimately it was a silly idea);  to the outright
failure of: �DEPTH TAKES A HOLIDAY.� (Yes, Virginia, I get the lame pun
of the title)  . . .  With the other two episodes falling somewhere
in-between
        �THROUGH A LENS DARKLY� is the only episode so far this season
that I truly liked.  The only episode worthy to be ranked with some of
the best episodes of season two.  What makes TALD the best of the four,
is that it focused on Daria and her struggles with her perfectionist
ideals and the reality of her own fallibility.  This was a morality
play. Daria has to confront the intractable situation that  her
perfectly idealized moral principles do not always translate to the real
world.  Aunt Amy has a nice cameo, and there was some good
mother-daughter conversation between Helen and Daria reminiscent of
�WRITE WHERE IT HURTS.�  Overall, a strong episode.
        �THE OLD AND THE BEAUTIFUL� was a one trick pony. The writers
relied too heavily on the on the premise that Daria�s monotone voice
drove nursing home residents into fits of depression.   While Brittany�s
irksome squeak, and Kevin�s puerile stupidity are not only more
desirable, but further perpetuate the myth that to be attractive and
popular is an end-all in itself. Funny?  I wouldn�t give it more than a
�mildly amusing.�  The fashion club sub-plot on the other hand went
along way to redeem this otherwise weak episode.  I really caught myself
snickering at their bombastic, selfish, snobbish antics, culminating in
the laugh-out-loud presentation to Ms. Li  of the go-go boots and belly
chain.  Now that was funny!
        Worse by far this year, undoubtedly  the worst episode of Daria
ever conceived is: �DEPTH TAKES A HOLLIDAY.� The episode possessed
neither pathos, humor,  nor Dariaesque cynicism that is the cartoon�s
halmark.
Quinn once again had nothing to do except wail and lament about the
possibility of Jake and Helen having another baby. (Even though this was
a trivial sub-plot, the potential for Quinn�s ousting as the baby of the
family was singularly the most interesting event)�Helen and Jake are
reduced to lust crazed parodies of themselves (yeah, yeah, parents
having sex, very funny).  So, we learn Daria has a full blown
school-girl crush on Trent.  We knew that already.
        Well, no sense in beating a dead horse. Its enough to say that
season three has thus far turned into a major disappointment.

�S. Mc Allister