A semi-DYN:
Is Quinn taller than Daria? In Daria's bedroom, I think she was, or was it just that she had her hair in a topknot?
5'2" isn't very tall. Will Daria be even more difficult for ordinary people to deal with if/when Quinn *does* grow taller than her older sister?
Think globally, act locally. Susan
"Susan C. Mitchell" wrote:
Hey, Susan! I thought you'd disappeared forever for sure. Welcome back. :-)
In response to your questions... hmm. Well, I'm almost exactly 5'2'', and it's really not THAT short. There are lots of people my height and we all do just fine. Quinn growing taller probably wouldn't even be noticed all that much. At least, I'm sure Daria wouldn't really care. :-)
--J.
I haven't grown since I was 16 (they had to downgrade my ID card 1 inch because they had thought I was still growing and tried to plan for the future, it still lists me as 1 inch taller than I am though, ha, I ain't gonna tell 'em) and my brother has outgrown me by 7 inches. A small dose of sarcasm everyday and you get over it.
Yeah, my mother's about that size and I'm (damn it, where's my calculator, when are you guys converting to the decimal system, no one has 12 fingers :-) 5'6" which makes me smaller than most girls with those triple-soled shoes they all seem to be wearing nowadays. MSB
i haven't grown since i was 13. :( my brother is still shorter than me, but he's heavier, despite being a scrawny little shit himself, heh...
i'm 5'4"-ish.. i wear tall shoes a bit though. ;) i used to be taller than everyone else... then they all grew and i didn't. humph. :(
Well I'm 5'9" and while it's good for umm putting dishes and stuff away up high at Burger King it meansI literally will not fit in a school bus seat because of my long legs... and I'm taller than my boyfriend. Oh well.
Dagny- cynic, general loony
http://urbanspacemen.arecool.net
"I'm not different for the sake of being different, only for the desperate sake of being myself. I can't join your gang: you'd think I was a phoney and I'd know it." Vivian Stanshall
Yeah, but that's because he's cute and cuddly and ready to please! (2.3 points) --- ~Po
CROWDSURFERS WILL BE EJECTED FROM THE BUILDING. It can be harmful, and most of all disrespectful to climb on other people's heads. Crowdsurfing should only be done naked and in the privacy of your own home.
Thank you The Beastie Boys
i would like to be 5'9" or thereabouts. i would be slightly shorter than my boyfriend (who's 5'11"). bus seats, i already have difficulty fitting into, so not much change there. i would just like to be taller. :)
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Jessica Liotta said:
I think that Daria's height is one of the cool things about her. Here's this physically small person, with the integrity to stand up for what she believes in against the whole world. It makes her courage all that more dramatic.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Jessica L. wrote:
Thank you! <blushing faintly>
I can't remember from any of the flashbacks to her childhood, but has Daria always been small? I ask this because it might serve as a key to why I have, in my own mind, always compared her to Harlan Ellison.
Ellison was always "the smallest kid in the class," *and* extremely bright. (He also labored under the handicap of being the only Jewish kid in his grade.) In one of his books, he prints his third- or fourth-grade class picture. Harlan is the one at the end, looking like a misplaced second-grader: but where all the other kids are standing up straight and decorous, with polite smile-for-the-camera expressions, little Harlan has his fists planted on his hips and is leaning forward, with a broad, defiant, I-dare-you grin.
Years later, he wrote about his childhood in Lathrop Grade School: "They used to beat the shit out of me, regularly. It got so I could wade into the middle of them and let them pummel me, and not even feel it. Have you ever been so inured to pain that you actually *sought* their fists, as a defiance of them?"
What was Daria's childhood like? She wasn't the only Jewish kid in her class. And she wasn't born in 1934. But it looks as though she and Ellison might have some things in common: both brilliant and talented and extraordinary, in a culture that encourages and rewards sameness and mediocrity and conformity. Daria has, I think, *emotionally* and *verbally* had "the shit beat out of her." She can let people "pummel" her, and sometimes even convince herself that she doesn't feel it. In fact, I think that occasionally she *has* "sought their fists, as a defiance": deliberately dared her abusers to abuse her, because she felt it the only way to assert her identity.
"Weep no tears for that little kid getting kicked unconscious in the schoolyard ... because her learned defiance early, and it changed his life. No, he came out of it okay." Daria, too, "learned defiance early." The difference is that Daria grew up in an environment where she was protected from *physical* abuse from her peers; and she learned, even earlier than Harlan, to defend herself *verbally* with use of knife-sharp language and a brilliant mind.
(And I would not put it past Daria to emulate Ellison by mailing someone a dead gopher.)
Think globally, act locally. Susan
Susan C. Mitchell said:
She seems to be in the Diary. Though it's hard to tell cause the pictures don't explicitly say how old she is. The early ones show the same frighteningly perceptive, intelligent, calm look that we know so well from the TV series, however.
Yes. I don't know to what extent Daria ever had to fight physically to defend herself (though I think she'd be a scary opponent, given her fearlessness, intelligence, and determination), but it's VERY obvious from the series that she's used to verbal confrontation. And of course, if you're skilled enough at verbal confrontation, you can often use it to avoid or control the course of a physical one. (I used to taunt enemies into attacking just when I wanted them to, and later learned to distract would-be attackers away from me).
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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I don't think that verbal confrontation works very well. If the bad guys really want a fight they'll not be deterred by anything clever that you might say, assuming they understand it. Also, those taunts hurt just about as much as the fists and feet in the long run. No matter how strong your character, the continual name-calling has to wear on you after a while, eroding self-confidence and self-esteem. In the absence of any countering influence they can ultimately destroy you. No matter. I'm not going to run from a fight if it's inevitable, though I try every trick I can to defuse the situation first. In fact, for a male, avoiding a fight can be disastrous in the long run, setting yourself up as a target for every "gunslinger" looking for an easy victory once word gets around. You have to at least try to act fearless. I suspect that it might be different for girls though.
Of course it has often been argued that females excel in verbal skills as a compensation for their lesser physical abilities. I'm not sure this is true. For one thing I've seen numerous females with very poor verbal abilities and I've seen a few other females with rather frightening physical abilities. I doubt that the tiny Daria would present much of an opponent to a very large, mean attacker, and her wit might prove ineffective against such an individual. However there's more to intelligence than a sharp tongue. A really clever would-be target, like Daria, would probably foresee the dangerous situation developing and arrange to be elsewhere. That's what almost always works best. "Hello Mr. Roof."
No lie about the verbal insults...they kinda succeeded in getting me to have sub-zero confidence in myself until about the junior year of high school (16-17 years old), and even today I still have my self-doubts. Of course, being able to find this forum and see loads of people with similar problems has really helped me out with my confidence issues, at least while I'm around here on this forum.
<begin really cheesy emotion-driven spiel> I know that a lot of you have had disagreements with me and I've participated in some heated discussions. But still, that does not detract from my being able to state that this is the best forum I've ever interacted with. You guys have been so warm and welcoming and I feel quite at home here. I guess that's because you are so much like me. It goes beyond being fans of the same TV show -- it goes to the core of our own real life existences. And for that I thank you. </end really cheesy emotion-driven spiel>
God, was that pathetic? LOL
Diane/CityGirl7609 ([email])
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Absolutely not. IMHO, it didn't need the protection of the <> </>, though I fully appreciate why one would feel safer including it.
One of the great things about atd is that we can act silly, have profound disagreements but still remain respectful of each other, and express insights like yours above, and all this without some numbskull seizing on something in our post to score points off us. Though if that did happen, it'd be the numbskull who'd be out of place: I imagine many of us here have had experience of environments where the numbskull would be right at home. ;:-)
Martin.
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That wasn't pathetic...just sweet. I also feel an amount of love for this forum. We all are one big sarcastic family! No but really, I think that was realy big of you to display your inermost feelings to the group. Oh now I feel all warm and fuzzy inside! No, nevermind it was just static from the television.
wicka_chick
Thanks for the "sweet" remark. Yeah...we are a family, aren't we? I think it's nice that we've been able to be drawn to the same TV show because of pretty much the same reasons. Thanks for the compliment too...I just had to express myself in this particular situation. LOL about the warm and fuzzy bit...are you gonna be OK? ;)
Oh yeah, and one more thing...this ng has ridded me forever of any real desire to say "*giggle*" beyond maybe one time every other month. Good job, guys....
Diane
[email] wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:52:43 -0500, Diane Aguilar wrote:
If folks here are all more or less like Daria, I don't want to meet anyone from alt.tv.beavis-n-butthead :-) MSB
Matthias Benkmann said:
I bet that everyone on alt.tv.beavis-n-butthead is like, cool and they like, heh-heh, do it, with babes, heh-heh-heh, all the time.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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Trust me, your instincts are correct.
"Diarrhea cha cha cha! Diarrhea cha cha cha!"
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On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:53:03 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (Matthias Benkmann), and it said:
I actuall think that would be entertaining. And I'm thinking most folks here are _not_ like Daria, in that we can disagree without dismissing one another more or less completely. Though I do wonder what Daria would do in an online environment; a lot of people have an entirely different personality once they get online, usually those frequently accused in face-to-face communications as having _no_ personality.
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:38:39 GMT, [email] (Tarvok) wrote:
I was referring to the intelligence and maturity around here.
True for me to a certain degree. (Hooray, a rhyme, I like rhymes.)
, usually those
Well, I'm not perfectly sure about what you mean by a person having "no personality". Do you mean those people who are boring, uninteresting and invisible, those that you don't notice until you bump into them accidentally. If you do, I agree that these types often turn out to have very colorful and interesting personalities once they get online, mostly because they can hide behind pseudonyms and don't have to fear running into any of their discussion partners in real life. The pseudonym aspect is probably the most important. I'm continually amazed at the fact that so few people use their real names on Usenet. The international part of Usenet that is. The German de. hierarchy outlaws anonymous and pseudonym postings. Try to do it in de.comp.linux.newusers for instance and you'll be flamed to death. It's the worst sin they know (even worse than asking for an offline newsreader for Linux). MSB
I don't think that's it at all. In a newsgroup you can speak your mind to a group of people you don't know without the pressure of them actually being there, and without having to find a convenient break in some conversation to get your say. The real life equivalent would be to walk into a room full of strangers and try and butt into other people's conversations or try and attract attention to yourself so you can start a new discussion. For many people this is a nerve-wracking situation that they will try to avoid in real life. Doing it via your computer is easier for two reasons - the other people aren't physically present, which makes it less intimidating, and the discussions are asynchronous, which means you don't need the split-second timing skills that you often need to get your say in a real life conversation between several people.
Of course for some people the situation is reversed. There are many people who read newsgroups without ever posting to them, as they are nervous of committing their thoughts to writing, especially considering the number of people who may read those words may be in the thousands, whereas real life conversations will normally only be heard by a few people. It has been estimated that 90% of the people who read a newsgroup never post a message. (Of course, in some cases this may because their account only allows reading newsgroups and not posting.) It has been estimated that a typical newsgroup will have about 10,000 people reading it, which is why it pays to think before you post!
You know, that is *so* interesting. I felt really guilty when I was posting under my "deena lissa" pseudonym, because I was really getting to know you guys but you weren't really getting to know a whole lot about me. But...maybe I should return to "deena lissa", I don't know...I'd just feel weird though, having come this far and really revealing myself for who I am. I mean, so what if I say something about someone that follows me for a while...if they find out the truth it'd be better than if I hide behind my real thoughts (past or present) and know in the back of my mind I said something about this person that they'd not like, that they weren't getting the full deal on me.
Just a thought....
Diane
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We like you anyway. A rose by any other name ...
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Not if they called them stinkweeds. ; ) --- ~Po
CROWDSURFERS WILL BE EJECTED FROM THE BUILDING. It can be harmful, and most of all disrespectful to climb on other people's heads. Crowdsurfing should only be done naked and in the privacy of your own home.
Thank you The Beastie Boys
So a rose would stink if you call it a stinkweed? Are you turning all postmodern on us, Po?
Dagny
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"I'm not different for the sake of being different, only for the desperate sake of being myself. I can't join your gang: you'd think I was a phoney and I'd know it." Vivian Stanshall
Diane Aguilar of Diane Aguilar Stylistics writes:
I don't think a pseudonym prevents people getting to know you, it's what you say that matters. The name itself is just a tag we use to refer to a person by. In fact it may even be an advantage to use a pseudonym, since you can pick a pseudonym which says something about you whereas your given name is usually pretty much random.
Also in the matter of email addresses names people often don't have the opportunity to use their real name.
I still think of that as your real name, since it's the one you used first. When I see "Diane Aguilar" I keep having to remind myself that this is The Person Formerly Known As Deena Lissa.
-Shez.
On the mountaintop, Shez spake thusly:
I forgot and kept wondering why I never saw you introduce yourself =D I thought maybe you'd snuck in on me when I was off at Lawrence. When this sub-shread-thingie popped up, it was like, "Ooooooooh! *That's* what happened!"
Anyway, maybe returning to deena lissa would be a Good Thing, but it's your name and your pseudonym and all those other happy things. Yer decision, not ours...
-Mindy who having said these deep things is going to work on her (currently experience-less) resume
"Stop staring at me, you squirrel pervert!" -Daria Morgendorffer "I have a brief funeral for my poor, deceased pet squirrel Stimpy." -Stoner
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On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:23:24 +0100, Shez wrote:
Whew. You're starting to scare me. I don't know if you've noticed but I actually did say something bad about Disney in another message. I guess when companies start rejecting my applications for no abvoius (oops my "Simpsons" timer just beeped, headphones on, VCR on,PAL2VGA converter on, old VGA monitor on, ahh let's continue) reason, I know where it comes from.
I agree with you but the hard-core dogmatists on de.comp.os.unix.linux.newusers want your real name. Don't ask me why. A valid email address and return path is not enough for them. I don't know how strict the other de. groups are since dcouln is the only one I read. My brother told me that it's a general thing about the de. branch. But I guess the dcouln people are probably the most arrogant. Well, I have to be fair. There's only a handful of guys who will actually flame you. But these guys happen to be the "experts" on the group (which explains their arrogance, especially in a .newusers group). This handful is enough to make the group look unfriendly and cold to me. I like comp.os.linux.misc much better. MSB
Hate to break it to you, but Disney doesn't own Nickelodeon, MTV *or* Viacom.
Disney owns Touchstone, Miramax, ESPN, Lifetime..... And more. That I can't think of.
Erin
Erin of Hell in a Handbasket writes:
Maybe I'm getting my evil empires mixed up here. Disney own ABC anyhow, and Viacom own MTV & Nickelodeon I think. I probably became confused because Melissa Joan Hart (who, like this thread title and Daria, is 5'2") is sometimes referred to as an employee of Disney, and she used to work for Nickelodeon. I'm sure Coca Cola fit into the grand conspiracy somewhere too, as I recall a diehard MJH fan turning his back on her in revulsion after she started endorsing Coca Cola. He will undoubtedly have been overjoyed when the evil coke empire's offices were recently raided all across Europe, to investigate its alleged anti-competitive practices such as preventing retailers from stocking rival products. (Consumers often don't notice as CocaCola trades under a dozen different brand names.)
-Shez.
You are getting your evil empires mixed up, but in the above statement, you *un*mixed them. :-)
She's an employee of Disney because her show's on ABC. BTW, Hi Shez, from a fellow clarissa listee.
Disney and CocaCola have some sort of partnership going on, as do Disney and McDonald's and McDonald's and Coke (which I'm sure is no coincidence). Coke and Coke products are used at the Disney theme parks. McDonald's carries happy meal toys based on Disney movies. And McDonald's serves mostly (if not exclusively) Coke drinks.
Phew.
Erin
Erin of Hell in a Handbasket writes:
Yo, are you still Erin #4 or have you been promoted?
-Shez.
Have been and always will be Erin #2.
Erin
Erin of Hell in a Handbasket writes:
2, 4, I knew it was some sort of number. I'm assuming you're the Questie/squooshy Erin, I don't think I've stumbled across any of the others.
-Shez.
Yes, I am Questie and squooshy. And tasty too!
Erin
Erin of Hell in a Handbasket writes:
Yum, an edible girl, my favourite type!
-Shez.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Now it's time to say that peanut butter tastes best when it's spread on a redhead.
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ba-dum-bum!
[email] (Erin) wrote:
Are you also a desert topping and a floor wax? ;-)
rich.
"This is Precious Roy, and I just ate a handful of honeybees!" -- Precious Roy.
On the mountaintop, [email] spake thusly:
And can you cut through this shoe? Blend vegtables on nine different settings? Eat a tin can? Make those onion flower things like they serve at Chi-Chi's? ;^P
-Mindy
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On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 14:40:13 GMT, [email] (Erin) wrote:
Erin #1 is my girlfriend!
Kyle He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
On 2 Aug 1999 16:59:50 GMT, [email] (Kyle) wrote:
Whom Alli is sleeping with.
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http://www.lawndale.net -OR- http://systech.simplenet.com/daria/On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:59:49 GMT, [email] (Martin J. Pollard) wrote:
Girls. Sleeping with girls.
Sweet.
Kyle He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
no, you can't join in! ;P
On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 01:39:41 +0100, "endless, nameless" wrote:
Now what'm I gonna do with all that blank videotape?!!
*pout*
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http://www.lawndale.net -OR- http://systech.simplenet.com/daria/On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 01:39:41 +0100, "endless, nameless" wrote:
But can I watch?
Kyle He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
On the mountaintop, [email] spake thusly:
Exclusively, at least in the Midwest AFAIK. And their competitor Burger King serves exclusively Pepsi and Pepsi products, I believe, which I think is cool 'cause it serves my sense of continuity. Coke is an evil empire, by the way, which should be dismantled by the Department of Justice... excuse me, my Diet Coke is getting flat and warm.
-Mindy "What?! WHAT?! I didn't touch anything, and if I did, I put it back! I swear!" -Harold Green, "The New Red Green Show"
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Mindy wrote:
LOL. Over here Burger King serves Coke products. At least I was able to get a Diet Coke with my Whopper a month or so ago.
I do know that KFC, Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut serve exclusively Pepsi products, because all three are restaraunts owned by Pepsico. Ah well...I rarely go into KFC, Taco Bell's food is good but it's not authentic so I wash it down with water, and Pizza Hut's pizza is good enough for me to forget just how vile Diet Pepsi can taste (although Pepsi One -- or, in Britain, Pepsi Max -- tastes really good).
Diane
On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:28:52 -0500, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from Diane Aguilar , and it said:
It is unfortunate for me that I truely love the food provided by those establishment, and Mountain Dew rules, IMO. As much as I hate serving evil empires, I can at least say I'm not a hypocrite. I always buy according to the quality/price ratio, not according to brand. In this case, the brand happens to have the quality. I will switch the day someone else comes up with something better. (Surge tried, and failed, IMO.)
Hey, I happen to LIKE Surge. It's green and tasty, the 2 criteria for a delicious drink...along the same lines, I love the new Green Fruitopia, too. <grin>
Jess "Morgendorfer" [email]
Daria: With a hey nonny nonny, tra la, tra la.
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With me, if it's a diet soda I've either tried to like it or I like it. Diet Mountain Dew rocks. So does Diet Dr Pepper, Diet Coke, Pepsi One, Diet A&W Root Beer, Diet Big Red, Diet Sprite, Diet 7-Up, Diet Cherry Coke, Diet Rite, and Diet Orange Crush.
I'm not ever giving up my sodas!
Diane
JMStargazr wrote:
Diane Aguilar wrote:
Y'know, I never could drink the diet drinks-- they always had a dreadful aftertaste to me, but then I have a very sensitive palate. Ever since I gave up caffeine (made me too sleepy and too jumpy-- besides the fact that it causes spontaneous mitosis in human cells), it's been a bit of a hassle to find anything decent to drink soda-wise other than caf-free coke, ginger ale, or sprite.
I'm not so sure anymore... the fruitopia berry lemonade is actually rather tasty. That, and add that we also have a dairy about 15 minutes away where you can buy FRESH milk, and sodas aren't lookin' so great to me anymore. (Besides, of course, the ones the used to serve at Jeff's before it was closed down by those Smoothie Bastards.)
Ever tried Green Tea? ;-)
rich.
"This is Precious Roy, and I just ate a handful of honeybees!" -- Precious Roy.
paperpusher wrote:
No kidding, caffeine causes mitosis? Really? Where'd you hear that? (yes, I still remember what "mitosis" is, btw)
As far as diet sodas are concerned...well, Diet Pepsi does leave a kinda nasty taste in my mouth, but I'd much rather have that than down a regular soda and feel all that sugar rush into my system at once. Since I'm not used to regular sodas and the enormous amounts of sugar therein if I ever drank a regular soda it'd raise my blood sugar sky high, leaving me feeling disoriented and nauseated. I think there's something like ten or twelve teaspoons of sugar in one 12-oz can of regular soda. TEN or TWELVE. That's a *lot*. I think you add that much to blueberries if you're making the filling for homemade blueberry pie. All that in ONE 12-oz can of regular soda. Besides, my parents are diabetic and so I have to watch myself. I only add Equal to my cereal to sweeten it up, I'm careful about the amount of pancake syrup I put on pancakes and French toast, I don't eat that much candy/cake/pie, and I limit myself on all overall sugars.
Diane
Diane Aguilar of Diane Aguilar Stylistics writes:
Mitosis was explained in Sabrina the Teenage Witch. The catch phrase for an entire series was Harvey saying "Mitosis is..." and never finishing the sentence, until finally Sabrina said "...the process by which cells divide" at the end of the series. (I suppose biology text books should have had "spoiler" stickers put on their covers that year.)
-Shez.
On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:51:34 +0100, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from "Greg Pallis" , and it said:
Mitosis is the creation of an exact replica cell, the thing that results in the growth of the human body. IIRC, Meisosis is the splitting of the cell right down the middle, resulting in, essentially, two half-cells. This is essentially sperm production. Either that, or it's the way amoeba exchange genetic information before dividing, essentially "having sex." I can't remember.
[email] (Tarvok) wrote:
Mitosis is the way in which ordinary somatic cells reproduce, producing 2 exact copies of the parent cell. (Like skin cells, for example, or epithelial cells that line your gut.) Meiosis 1 and 2 are the forms of reproduction of germs cells, aka gametes. LSS, through Meiosis, you split up DNA in half, and enough crossing over of chromosomes occurs so that you get a good stirring of the genetic cocktail. (Or shaking if you're James Bond.) In both mit. and mei 1 & 2, the cells all cleave in similar ways.
rich.
"Joseph Stalin, grab my armored muu-muu and together we will leave this foul Earth behind." -- Toon-La.
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Oh My!!! Oh My!!!! Oh MY!!!! But I have Polyploidy!!!!! What Happened???? Under your definitions, How did I get Polyploidy??????
[email] wrote:
No, I said they *cleave* similarly-- I did not say that the chromatids separate similarly-- the spindles behave slightly differently. You should only wind up with n, not 2n, in each gamete after mei. II, unlike in mit., where you go in with 2n, and come out with 2n.
rich.
Max: We're criminales!
Diane Aguilar wrote:
It was in one of my Bio classes-- caffeine will cause cells to spontaneously mitose, even if they aren't ready (i.e., even if they haven't doubled their DNA in preparation for mitosis.) This was one of the primary reasons that caffeine was suspected to be a carcinogen-- remember the coffee scare of about, oh, 15-20 years ago? That's what the basis of the study was-- caffeine's ability to act as a spontaneous mitotic agent. Turns out that if you drink 200 cups of coffee a day, you might get cancer. Of course, if you drank 200 cups of *anything*, you'd probably get cancer. Especially if you're a transgenic mouse designed to get cancer at the drop of a hat.
That much sugar, huh? Wow. BTW, I don't blame you for being a bit nervous about the diabetes thing-- the last thing you want is for a major organ to let you down. Actually, I'm trying to be a little more careful about sugar myself, as both my aunt and grandmother have/had it. (Although my grandmother got it when she was in her 60s, and my aunt got it in her teens.)
My problem is that I'm a supertaster, and I can taste the chemicals in the non-sugar sweetners. :P
rich.
Quinn: I can't be a brain! My friends will hate me!
I used to have a cow in our barn a few minutes away were you could get REALLY fresh milk. But I never had much of a desire to. Sadly my parents mistakingly got me hooked on cafeine at a very early age. One of my oldest (youngest?) memories is of drinking coffie.
paperpusher wrote:
I can't drink diet soda because the aspartame makes me nauseous. As does Mountain Dew, diet or no.
MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
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Diane Aguilar wrote in message news:[email]...
Diet
A&W Root
and
"Now bring me a soda...in a crystal goblet." -Quinn...or is it Diane's fantasy?
PeterTHX wrote:
Ha ha ha ha, very funny wiseguy. I am *not* that way, let me tell you. I am *not*. Honest. Really.
And if I were I'd try to snap myself out of it.
Diane
Diane Aguilar wrote:
You just keep telling yourself that. Or, better yet, have your ladies-in-waiting do it for you. ;-)
rich.
Jane: Uh-oh, someone just put us in a position of responsibility.
Daria: The day has suddenly turned sinister.
Diane Aguilar wrote in message news:[email]...
am
Well, as Quinn would say "WHATever" ;-)
Do you close your eyes or keep them open......
"Well we're like a built in support group for each other."-Quinn "A regular Khomer Rouge."-Daria "Well, blush is more like it."-Quinn
In article , "PeterTHX" wrote:
Let me get my crystal goblet. Now where did I put that thing?
Mike Quinn wrote:
Um...Mike, what are you insinuating? *raised eyebrows*
Diane *g*
In article , [email] wrote:
I have some good answers to that question (well I think that they're good) I just can't figure out which one to use... Aw heck, here's all of them:
I would go on like this all day, but I've run out of ideas.
Mike Quinn wrote:
Sure. That's what they all say. Who, you ask? Um...um...oh, look, pretty rainbows and unicorns! (ducks)
A1. "Uh huh, I believe you. (looks flatly at Mike)"
A2. "Funny. OK, I'll let you off for that one. Maybe. I'm feeling generous today."
A3. "I don't know. Why don't you tell me if there is?"
A4. "Um...nothing...unless you *are* insinuating something...in which case...*you'd* know...LOL"
Oh darn, and I was just warming up to the idea of multiple answers.
(btw -- I'm having fun with this)
Diane
In article , [email] wrote:
Yeah, me too. I just need the weekend to think up of combacks to your responses to my answers ;) 'cause this is my absolute last post of the week, I've got to leave now.
In article , [email] wrote:
Where?! I think I'm ready to really respond (he he).
3) "If you don't know I'm not telling you." (Notice how that doesn't make a bit of sense in this context - a good way to get out of fights).
you better ;)
Mike Quinn wrote:
Good. Then I'll respond to your responses.
"You know what I'm staring at, mister." (and I've never watched "Duckman")
"Heh heh, perceptions, perceptions."
"Don't play dumb with me, young man." (giggles)
"Oh, going all theological on me, now, eh?"
"You're welcome. Maybe."
"Mmm hmmm, just don't mention this to anyone else."
"Don't think you'll be getting fully off the hook for this one. I can still remember." (winks)
"Well, tough. Tell me. Now."
(again) "Don't play dumb with me, young man." (giggles)
"I don't know because you're not telling me. You're the one who's supposed to know. So tell me now. Or else." (I don't give up easy)
"Falling for *what* again?"
"Yeah, typical. Men. Huh!" (pouts and huffs off)
"Don't play dumb with me, mister."
(smiles back, shaking her head and putting hands to hips) "Trying to play this off with your charms, eh?"
And what was that supposed to mean? LOL. j/k. I don't want to go with another round of answers/responses. One's good enough for me.
Diane
In article , [email] wrote:
How about just one more answer for all of them... <runs away>
On Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:12:32 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from Mike Quinn , and it said:
How about:
;p
In article , [email] wrote:
I have some good 'answers' to that question (well I think that they're good) I just can't figure out which one to use... Aw heck, here's all of them:
I would go on like this all day, but I've run out of ideas.
T-zero !? Like, T-0 ? Aaargh! :P Never fear though, for the code is soon to be updated for THE VERY LAST TIME EVER!
On 03 Aug 1999 02:25:57 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (JMStargazr), and it said:
That's one thing Surge really has going for it; the color. There's nothing better than grabbing a beaker from your old chemistry set (for the love of god, make _sure_ it's clean!), filling it up with Surge, and then go find some people to annoy with your antics. ;)
Really, I like Surge; Surge is good. But it's just not _as_ good as Mountain Dew. I was truely hoping I would like it better, do wean myself off of PepsiCo products, but it just wasn't that good.
Tarvok wrote:
Surge. Gack! As if Mountain Dew wasn't bad enough, some brainiac thought having a radioactive green soft drink was a *good* idea. <<sigh>> I miss Josta.
MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
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miss Josta.
<<sigh>> I miss Jolt Cola. Haven't had a reason to break out the intravenous rig since it went off the market.
All of the sugar and twice the caffiene. Whoo,boy! Let's ROCK!
[email] wrote:
Actually, Jolt is still alive and kicking...You can order it from their web site at http://www.joltcola.com/ I think it costs ~$30/24 20 oz bottles, including delivery. Its been a while since I checked it out though... They have other beverages too, like caffeinated water (AKA Crank 2 O) and a complete line of super-caffeinated cola products.
I actually like the taste of Jolt. Its more bitter than the alternatives, and actually tastes less sweet to me...I think this is because of the caffeine they add...Plus, Jolt is still independent of the big soft drink companies, if you're interested. I don't work for them, its just that jolt has helped me through too many all-nighters for me not to help them in their quest to caffeinate the world 8-)
Larry
"Lawrence J. Klein" wrote:
their
including
Wow! Thanks Larry.
Caffeinated water? So I can use caffeinated water in my coffee to get twice the hit? Mornings will never be the same again!
Bill.
"Lawrence J. Klein" wrote:
[email] wrote:
When did Jolt go off the market? Must have been pretty recently. Because I've been able to get it as recently as this March.
MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
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Because
None of the stores I frequent carry Jolt and that's pretty strange what with all the code geekers in my neck of the woods. Guess they must all be Mountain Dew heads.
Larry just pointed me to www.joltcola.com so pretty soon I'll be having the shakes bad enough to threaten becoming a pile of sub-atomic particles. Joy!
[email] writes:
Maybe Coca Cola forbid the stores from stocking it. That's something that's being investigated in Europe at the moment, Coca Cola using their muscle to force rival brands off the market.
I have some info on jolt cola stockists under the "jolt cola" item on the Cafe Shez menu, including a link to the Jolt UK website which lists UK stockists (I haven't checked the link recently but hopefully it still works.) There's also a caffeine content table for various types of cola and coffee etc.
-Shez.
I was under the impression that Coca Cola manufactured Jolt. But it's entirely possible that I'm wrong.
Erin
Erin of Hell in a Handbasket writes:
Arggh! I hope not. I just looked at a bottle and it just says The Jolt Company Inc, Rochester NY. There's no hint of it being a Coke co. Anyway if it was I would have expected to see it in most shops.
-Shez.
In article , [email] (Krysmopompas) wrote:
We used to have Mountain Dew in the UK, but I haven't seen it for ages. I must have been one of the few people who actually liked the stuff. I thought the colour was cool too, it almost glowed in the dark!
On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:19:36 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from Bear , and it said:
Actually, it looks like piss. But it tastes great, nonetheless. Surge, on the other hand, _looks_ great, but it just isn't as good.
<snip soda/pop discussion>
Doesn't anyone in this NG drink root beer? C'mon, people! It's the nectar of the gods! Especially Thomas Kemper or Henry Weinhardts's... mmm... although mug/a&w/barqs/generic (in descending order of my personal preference) will do just fine for me if I don't feel like spending a dollar for a smallish sized bottle of the premium stuff. :-)
--J.
Jessica L. of ASOP (Association of Strange
Ugh! I tried a bottle when I was in America and couldn't finish it. For some reason I thought it would taste like ginger beer, but it tasted more like Dandelion & Burdock, an archaic drink which seems to have long since disappeared from the market in the UK.
I like ginger beer, as long as it's made with real ginger. It's probably the only sugary drink I buy apart from jolt cola (which I buy on the rare occasions I can actually find it).
-Shez.
On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:35:16 +0100, Shez wrote:
I think you're talking about what we in the States call "ginger ale," the most well-known being Canada Dry. Good stuff, but as a Motown maven, I'm partial to Vernors. :-) (In fact, Diet Vernors is one of the few diet soft drinks I'll willingly imbibe. I will drink Diet Coke, Pepsi, et al when I'm eating out, but I need plenty of food with which to wash it down...)
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http://www.lawndale.net -OR- http://systech.simplenet.com/daria/In article ,
I don't want to scare anyone, but a chemistry professor I once knew told me that she wouldn't give diet soda to her worst enemy because of all of the crap used to make it (If anyone would know, it would be a chemist).
Indeed, the secret of the coke recipe is that it is distilled crap.
Which reminds me, there was an IF... cartoon after the Falklands war where they're drinking "Spirit of the Falklands" which turns out to be distilled from fermented guano (bird shit).
-Shez.
On Fri, 06 Aug 1999 13:40:49 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from Mike Quinn , and it said:
All diet soda tastes the same to me. To me, a Diet Mountain Dew tastes more similar to Diet Pepsi than to regular Mountain Dew. Like crap, that is. I have a very sensitive tongue when it comes to... whatever sugar replacement it is they use in most diet sodas, not to mention sugarless gum and such.
I'll take real sugar, thank you. :p
Tarvok wrote:
Easy for you to say, diabetes boy. I tell you what, when you come crying to this newsgroup because you have to inject yourself twice a day with insulin and poke yourself twice a day to test your glucose levels, you won't get any sympathy from me. Diabetes is a serious disease, and regular sodas have *so* much sugar. If I were your mother I'd forbid you to drink them, in fact. It's OK to like candy, but the sugar levels in regular sodas are so insanely high.
I urge anyone to stop drinking regular sodas, at least half the time, and half the time drink diet sodas. Your chances for developing diabetes will be greatly reduced. I am serious as a heartbeat.
Diane
On Fri, 06 Aug 1999 22:35:32 -0500, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from Diane Aguilar , and it said:
I highly doubt having a high sugar intake _causes_ diabetes. It's a lack of insulin, not an excess of sugar. In fact, IIRC, there is a variety of diabetes that can be dealt with by simply having a high sugar intake.
Or, you can just not drink sodas very often, like me. Most of the time, milk, fruit juices, water, and other non-soda drinks are sufficient. But, when I'm out, I'll have a soda.
Well, okay, while I was working at Round Table, I drank up to five root bears a night. I don't do that any more.
Tarvok wrote:
But the body's ability to produce insulin is lessened with an overwhelming necessity to produce the chemical, which can be caused by longtime consumption of too many carbohydrates like sugars and starches. Starches, though, are much easier to control. And...which variety are you talking about? I only know the two types, type I, which has much greater implications for one's lifestyle at a much earlier age (it's that "juvenile diabetes"), and type II, which has two options I know about for its treatment...diet and exercise alone or chemical treatments (insulin, pills, nebulizers, the like), which both necessitate a serious cutting down in sugars. Only when one is suffering from insulin overload (which happens when you overdose on the drug) can sugar really help, and even with that it's recommended one consume sugar from fruit, as in with fruit juices or bite-size pieces of fruit.
Yeah. I find myself drinking a lot less soda, diet or no, and more water.
You used to work at Round Table? Really? Wow. I know that when I was up in Washington state one time I visited a Round Table once...nice...and themed too...too bad we (my parents and I) didn't have the time to eat the pizza in...but it was good...even to this day we remember it.
Diane
Diane Aguilar wrote:
Easy for *you* to say. Diet sodas don't make *you* ill. F$%!ing Nutra-Sweet�!
MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
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Krysmopompas wrote:
Regular sodas can make me quite ill. Especially if I drink them while I'm at that time of the month. Forget about feeling nice the rest of the time (which with me can be anywhere up to 50 days like I had them one time back in November/December).
Diane
wow actual pro diet soda post? I've heard sooo much propaganda AGAINST diet coke (which I drink, like, a lot) that you would not believe. It evidently causes memory loss, brain damage, erodes your stomach, erodes your bones, causes muscular dystrophy, cancer, AIDS, and the Olsen twins. Well, maybe not those last two.
Of course if any of this would true I would be dead, my father would be dead, my ex-history teacher would be dead, and my ex-youth group leader would be dead, because they inhale more Diet Coke than me. Actually if my ex-history teacher and ex-youth group leader were dead that would be cool, but, alas, it is not so.
Dagny
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On 11 Aug 1999 14:10:12 GMT, [email] (Dagny Scott) wrote:
Well that's the lab findings from rats who were force fed nothing but Nutrasweet until they died ;) I'm reasonably confident that unless you're inhaling a case of Diet Coke a day you'll be fine. Your tastebuds notwithstanding (I personally dislike diet sodas...sugar...now THAT's where it's at...)
Damon Orca on #Stars!
In article ,
Naw, Dandelion & Burdock can still be found. It's currently being retailed as a fizzy drink in cans, under the trendy, hip, and jiggy name of "D & B". Can is coloured gold, aquamarine, and maroon. I think.
Bear wrote:
Speaking of which, is birch beer popular *anywhere*? I had a sip of it at a friend's house, and nearly vomited! It tastes like cough medicine! One of the most vile concoctions known to man...how can people drink this? Well, I do have an aversion to minty, anise-y, fennel-y flavours, which may have explained my reaction to this very, *very* minty, anise-y, fennel-y brew. Rather like garlic to a vampire. |-{�>
MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
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I enjoy ginger ale and root beer on occasion...'specially Henry's. Of course, I'm just partial since it's made here in OR. In fact, I like everything Henry Weinhardt's makes...mostly those in the "alcoholic beverage" category.
Jess "Morgendorfer" [email]
Daria: With a hey nonny nonny, tra la, tra la.
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"Jessica L." wrote:
nectar
dollar
Back in my beer brewing days I would often whip up a batch of root beer for my wife. I do believe that she would bathe in the stuff if it didn't make the towel threads stick to her.
Poor dear. I ruined her for the commercial stuff. It breaks my heart to see her take a sip of Mug or whatever, sigh loudly, and mutter something about it just not being the same.
Is there anybody out there who doesn't cringe at the smell of simmering hops and has an empty closet able to hold a hundred or so potential glass grenades? (Actually, in all my brewing I've only lost two bottles)
On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:59:24 -0700, "Jessica L." wrote:
I do, but I have yet to find a diet root beer that tastes even halfway decent.
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Diet Barq's. It tastes even better than regular Barqs because it doesn't have that cloying corn syrup top note. Great with Szechwan Chinese food and Mexican food. And of course, Cajun/Creole food...Barq's originated in N'Awlins.
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On Thu, 05 Aug 1999 16:45:38 -0700, [email] (Michelle Klein-Hass) wrote:
Diet Barq's, eh? I'll have to remember to look for it during my next monthly grocery shopping trip. Bachelorhood, y'know. :-)
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http://www.lawndale.net -OR- http://systech.simplenet.com/daria/On Thu, 05 Aug 1999 22:08:41 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (Martin J. Pollard), and it said:
I drink it. I used to drink it heavily. Now, it's something I'll drink with a burger, but for just drinking a soda, I prefer Mountain Dew.
On 04 Aug 1999 06:39:26 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (Krysmopompas), and it said:
The one kind of soda I really don't like is cola. I can just barely tolerate Coca-Cola.
err.... nope, they serve coke now. although wendy's switched to serving pepsi.
Dagny
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On the mountaintop, [email] (Dagny Scott) spake thusly:
Damn it all! I give up! Take my caffeinated body and throw it to the alligators!!
-Mindy
[email] (Mindy) wrote:
Caffeine makes you cranky. Hitler drank caffeine. ;-)
rich.
Jane: Usually when I have this dream I'm wearing pink taffeta.
paperpusher wrote in message news:[email]...
is cool
pepsi.
Thats important for a 30 year old to know.
Well, drinking caffeine will make anyone crazy! Dilute it with soda or coffee! ;-)
Not here in Oregon...The BK's here serve Coke products. The only fast food places that serve Pepsi products around here are Taco Bell, Carl's Jr., and Jack in the Box. And they're few and far between.
Jess "Morgendorfer" [email]
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<Maybe I'm getting my evil empires mixed up here. Disney own ABC anyhow, and Viacom own MTV & Nickelodeon I think. I probably became confused because Melissa Joan Hart (who, like this thread title and Daria, is 5'2") is sometimes referred to as an employee of Disney, and she used to work for Nickelodeon.
tvfan: And Michael Eisner used to work for Paramount before he worked for Disney. And Viacom owns Paramount, or did at one time. And Viacom owns Nickelodeon, etcetera.
On the mountaintop, [email] spake thusly:
Whew. My consipracy theory intuition was working overtime. I was all ready to pronounce Disney as in league with the fashion industry, too...
-Mindy
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That is a logical impossibility Captain.
On the mountaintop, Shez spake thusly:
Hey, those mouse ears are comin' back in any day now.
-Mindy
"Stop staring at me, you squirrel pervert!" -Daria Morgendorffer "I have a brief funeral for my poor, deceased pet squirrel Stimpy." -Stoner
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[email] (Matthias Benkmann) wrote:
Yes, but some of us use pseudonyms for a pretty good reason. We don't want our nosy clients to do Deja searches on our postings. (And, yes, I've heard of stories where clients have done that to their attorneys. Ick.) Therefore, I hide behind a thin veil of anonymity. (There are actually a number of folks on this NG who know my full name, but they're all polite enough to understand that archiving all of the posts on Usenet can be a Bad Thing sometimes.) :P
That said, anonymity is one of those things that shouldn't be abused. It's one thing to hide your name, but it's another thing entirely to hide your return email. And I agree that's it's very, very wrong to use it to bash other people and then hide from them-- that's why I'm always very careful about what I say.
But the most important question is, do *you* know of a good offline newsreader for Linux? (grins, ducks, runs, and hides behind a very thin veil of anonymity.)
rich. (yes, it's my real name, I'm just too lazy to capitalize it.) (who actually looks smashing in a veil.)
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Jake: Jefferson!
Helen: Stalin.
On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 05:49:55 GMT, [email] (paperpusher) wrote:
Well, somewhat amusingly (or pathetically, depending on your viewpoint) my IRC pseudonym has become a rather important part of my personality - I've got a number of stuffed killer whales adorning my room that represent about half the decorations :p
The reason *I* don't advertise my email address is the simple reason that I *did* post it in the clear for a short period of time, but promptly started picking up spam and since then have put up an email address that will either a) bounce immediately since the account doesn't exist or b) end up in the root account's mailbox for their enjoyment :) I'm one of those wackos that prefers to keep stuff in the newsgroup (with the exception of flame wars and the like - the reason why I'm now staying determindly away from the abortion/religion threads). And heck, I figure if someone wants my email all they have to do is ask and I'll give it to 'em.
Very grateful for backups since somehow no less than 6 episodes of wavs were corrupted two days ago...
Damon Orca on #Stars!
[email] (Damon Domjan) wrote:
Well, as long as you're willing to give it to them, I don't have a problem with it. ;-) I know what you mean about spam, though-- that's why I have a few spamfoilers in my email addy-- unless you remove them, it's a road to nowhere. But they're easy to remove, so folks can still get a hold of me.
The kind of anonymous postings that irritate me are the ones where people jump into a NG, lob a few grenades with no return address, then disappear.
If you really want to foil the spammers, use one of the freemail providers as a return address-- deja actually does a decent job of spamkilling.
rich.
Quinn: People are so weird!
Daria: Some are weird. Some are just astonishingly self-centered and deceitful.
On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 05:49:55 GMT, [email] (paperpusher) wrote:
OK, since I'm just an unimportant student I don't fear that. Though I have to admit I got a little scared when I clicked on that "posting history" link for one of my messages and saw all of the messages I've written recently neatly sorted into categories. You can learn much about me by looking at them. However, since I like talking about myself (I'm sure some of you already noticed that :-) you'd probably get all that info by just talking to me.
Take a look at my headers. I'm using Free Agent under Windows. No need to duck from me. Anyway, have you tried Mahogany (I'm sorry I don't know the URL). It's still beta and the Windows version I tried recently didn't start in the 1st place. But as I understand it, it's supposed to fill that gap. I think it combines newsreader and email client. If you try out the Linux version, tell me how it feels. If everything goes as planned I might be able to switch to Linux completely within the next 6 months. At the moment however, I'm too afraid of hackers/crackers to use Linux for logging on to the Internet. Once I have the time to learn about firewalling I'll make the switch, though.
I'm more diligent. It's all caps for my initials :-) MSB
On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:05:37 -0400, "R. K. Henry" wrote:
<big snip>
Possible - I dunno since I'm not one, but I've noticed that (non-gang) male fights seem to be more in the nature of wrestling matches or boxing - girl fights *anything* goes :) The few I've seen they were hitting, pulling hair, going after each other's eyes...had to be seperated before they *really* started hurting each other.
In contrast the several fights I've been in in my 20 years...well, I have to say this much - easily wiping someone who saw you as an easy mark is a good way to avoid getting in further fights since suddenly people realize there's probably easier targets around.
Agreed the continous put downs do wear on you though...though by the time I was midway through highschool though I just didn't give a damn. (shrugs)
The trick in avoiding fights without loss of face of course is...
:)
Just sharing my experience.
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On Mon, 26 Jul 1999 04:18:44 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (Damon Domjan), and it said:
I hypothesize that this is because, biologically, men are supposed to fight, in an effort to establish a hierarchy. Now, fortunately, among humans there are _many_ more ways to get a higher position than fighting (and even among chimps, a clever act can earn a high position), but fighting is still part of many guys' makeup. And we instinctively, in this sort of fight, do it in a way that won't kill or permanenantly injure our oppnent, much like most every other species that engages in intra-species combat, usually for mating rights.
Gang fights are different, for those are group conflicts; territorial war. There are probably just as many fights _within_ gangs, but those would also be of a non-deadly sort.
Females, on the other hand, i've noticed that they use other methods to do their combat, and it's possibly the ugliest thing I've ever seen. Women will hold these grudges, forever, and if it breaks out into a fight, anything goes.
Yeah, once it's over, so long as the outcome is accepted, it's over.
On Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:36:45 GMT, [email] (Tarvok) wrote:
You're probably right. It almost never gets physical. It's more like stopping to talk when the unlucky one enters the room, spreading rumors, playing nasty tricks on her like faking an invitation to a party. Humiliating things one can't defend against. I am small, I am weak and I hate fighting but still I have to say I prefer men's simpler approach. I got in a fight once. The guy was tall and strong. After 2 seconds I was lying on the floor and had his foot planted in my stomach. The next day he came to me, apologized, we shook hands and the matter was settled. Physical pain is quickly forgotten. But the humiliation from something like the fake invitation trick is nothing that can be corrected by an apology. Trust will be forever lost. MSB
R. K. Henry said:
Depends on the situation. Obviously, if the bad guys are completely determined words will not stop them. However, one's enemies (especially in a childhood situation) are rarely all that fanatical). Furthermore, female status is less based on fighting than on verbal activity.
Daria's quite verbally adept though. I think she'd come out ahead from any duel of taunting.
Depends on how you "avoided" it. Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
R. K. Henry said:
It is, mostly. Furthermore, a girl who loses a fight can often win the status contest if she had the sympathy of most of the onlookers. Big tough girls are less popular among their fellow girls than big tough boys are among their fellow boys.
large,
Who the heck is attacking her, the She-Hulk? Schoolyard bullies are generally not very determined ... it usually doesn't take much pain to drive them off. They win more by intimidation and aggression rather than by fighting skills per se. A couple of determined kicks or stomps (remember those boots?) would probably do the trick.
Probably. Or divert the enemy's attention to another target. Or manipulate two enemies into fighting each other. Or ... you figure it out. There are a lot of possibilites in most situations.
Not ALL of course. But most.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
"R. K. Henry" wrote:
Well, I'll admit to getting picked on some as a kid, mostly because I was a typical redhead-- with a short fuse and a hot temper. I guess everyone enjoyed watching the fireworks when they pushed my buttons. :) I was also known to have a very sharp tongue. (I still do, and it sometimes requires every ounce of self-control to keep it on a leash.) Needless to say, this didn't always endear me to classmates. ;-)
But in spite of it, I only got into 2 fights, ever, and I won both-- I was a little kid in grade school, so I learned that guile and not being hesitant to fight dirty worked in my favor. (Yes, I was 2-0. ;-) ) Of course now, I'm 6'1" and 200 lbs., so things do change. (And only my friends pick on me now. <g>)
The best thing I'd recommend, though, for those who often feel pressed to defend themselves physically is aikido-- I've been going to the dojo now for about 2 years (I'd gone 5 years before for a while, but I got sidetracked. Long Story.) But anyway, as martial arts go, it's useful, it doesn't have a gender bias, the people are nice (definitely NOT jerks), and aikidoists try to make sure that the techniques are applied in an ethical manner. It's also nice to know that you don't have to have a huge amount of muscle-- all it takes is a little coordination and some brains. It also helps that the techniques are purely defensive in nature-- you can't use them on someone unless they come at aggressively.
The people who have slammed me the hardest in the dojo are typically females who are under 5'4", and 110 or less. It's all a matter of learning how to make physics work for you, and against your attacker. (There's no magic to aikido-- it's all about physics.) Of course, the most dangerous people in the world tend to be elderly Japanese men-- a lesson that many aikidoists have learned. <g>
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rich.
Jake: Who do you want in an emergency? Superman, or your *damn inner child?*
Well, at least you can say that both Ellison and Daria are in a time where they still have to stay in school, rather than be scared off. About a century before Daria was when Harpo Marx was in school, and he was also short (and the only Jewish kid) and was regularly beat up by a couple big Irish kids, who would also throw him out the window, so he'd have to walk around and make some other excuse so as not to tell on the kids and and get beat up, and for that reason his teacher said he'd "never amount to anything" He quit school in second grade.
Aleck Woolcott had arranged for Harpo, by then a successful movie star, to meet with this teacher, but she died befre the time of the meeting...
Dagny
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"I'm not different for the sake of being different, only for the desperate sake of being myself. I can't join your gang: you'd think I was a phoney and I'd know it." Vivian Stanshall
Dagny Scott said:
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Wow ... that's pretty extreme bullying!
But things often were like that in the "Good Old Days". A hundred years ago society was a lot more nasty and violent, especially among the lower classes, than our nostalgia lets us remember. Fights were just as brutal and MUCH more socially acceptable between boys than they are today, "fair play" was more an upper or middle class ideal than a lower class reality, and (especially in lower class public schools) the teachers were often afraid of the more unruly students.
The past wasn't as idyllic as we sometimes like to believe.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Susan C. Mitchell wrote in message news:7n3af4$bic$[email]...
O'neil: "...There's no such thing..."
Jane: "...As the right weight..."
Daria: "...Or the right height."
Jane: "There's only what's right for me."
Daria: "Because me is who I am."
I think Daria can deal.
I'm 5"2 and I don't feel weird about it. My 11-years-old (turning 12 at the end of september) is 3 inches taller than me and I often pass for the young one. But Jane is 5"7 (I think, she look 5"7 anyway, sorry if I'm wrong) and she's just a little taller than Daria. Marianne Life is divided up between the horrible and the miserable
Oh cool, so Jane must be about my height then (I'm 5' 7").
I do wish to be taller, though. I think I might be growing just a tad so's now I'm reaching for 5' 8", but still...it would be nice to be 6' even. Yeah. That would be my ideal height.
Hoping there's another growth spurt in my cards in the near future,
She who looks sharp inside her pointed shoes.
Famille Brault-Tremblay wrote:
Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it! ;)
I'm 6"2" and can tell you it is no fun living in a world built for 5'6" people.
Jon Armstrong The Space Ranger
On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:05:59 -0800, spaceranger wrote:
Speaking for us 5'6", I don't know how in the heck you can claim the world was built for us.
[email] (Kyle) wrote:
I'm 6'1", and I have *never* been able to fit in a Saturn or have a comfortable plane flight. AFAIK, the workd wasn't built for me, either.
Who was the world really built for? Next! On Sick, Sad World!
rich.
Tiffany: "Oh, no. Wind, hair."
In article , [email] wrote:
I haven't been on too many plane trips but I've had simliar car stories. I'm just a tad under 6' and I hit my head on the ceiling so much when I drive my dad's car that I have to recline the seat back to avoid it, I also have to push the seat back as far as it will go to avoid having my legs cramp up (he has a Dodge Stratus, which isn't exactly a small car, either).
at 5'4", i consider myself to be quite short, but every pair of trousers i buy is too short. the closest thing i have recieved to an explanation for this is as follows: "no offense, but that's because most girls who're a size 6 are about 12."
It's a tight enough squeeze for me anyway. Some cars make me feel like I'm in the ever cliched can of packed sardines. Especially those "sporty" model types my mom's wanting me to go into...no thanks Mom, I'll stick with my '88 Blazer, thank you very much.
She who is definitely wise in Secret Oktober.
spaceranger wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:05:59 -0800, spaceranger wrote:
<grin> I always loved it when we were doing these field trips to medieval buildings. Almost everybody had to duck constantly when walking through the doorways. _I_ didn't have to :-) MSB
my uncle lives in a really old house, with low ceilings with wooden beams across them. he is about 6'4". when they first moved in there, he kept hitting his head every time he walked through his living room. he learned to duck automatically pretty quickly. ;)
Heyyyyy now. I'm exactly 5'2, and an only child. But all of my friends are still taller than me. I know a lot of tall people are going to disagree, but most clothes seem as if they were made for 5'9 girls....yeah, yeah, I'm bitter. I wouldn't mind being taller. It's the media's fault that all of my shoes have a minimum of three inch heels. :-)
Okay, granted, I'm only 15, which technically SHOULD give me hope for growing some more. My mother's 5'7 and my dad is 6'0, which should make me pretty tall when I grow up....but the doctor says it won't be happening, and I should hope and pray for 5'4, MAX. That's kind of depressing. And my boy is 5'11, which makes for some odd kissing...;-)
But enough of my self pity tirade. I've been watching Daria since it started, and a lot of people actually call me 'Daria' sometimes. Of course, I ignore the mocking, and take it as a compliment. ;-) I talk like her, act like her (somewhat), have the same sarcasm, and I look like a strange mix of Daria and Quinn, the red hair and everything. I even had Daria-esque glasses until I got contacts last year. So finding out that Daria's the same diminutive height as I am makes me feel pretty darn special...
Yeah. Okay. That was my random, senseless babble. Thanks for putting up with it.
Anastasia ([email], NOT FabrikM)
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