Daria & Jane -- halves of a whole?

S03E01 Daria!retroMay 30, 2002, 2:47 PM ET3 years later5 posts by 4 posters
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Roger70129

In reading through the many transcripts of the "Daria" show, I'm struck by how the writers put Daria and Jane together as best friends. In a way, it's like watching the left half of a very bright brain (Daria: intellectual, thinking, word-based) communicate with the very bright right half (Jane: intelligent but emotional, artistic). They are separate people, but they are socially isolated and often function as one unit, despite their problems. They connect so powerfully, they even overcome relationship disasters such as Tom. I can't think of any two friends in real life who ever got through a triangular love affair and still came out as friends. I think because the writers constructed the characters in this way, it is tempting to see the two as lovers, but the shows clearly scotch that idea. Daria and Jane are the rarest of the rare -- the best of friends.

Any other thoughts on how they mesh as a team?

Martin EdwardsRoger70129

On 30 May 2002 18:47:37 GMT, [email] (Roger70129) wrote:

I don't think I can improve on that.

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FirahMartin Edwards

In article , [email] says...

Yes he did hit the nail on the head didn't he?

Although I've watched Daria sporadically through the first couple of seasons, I wasn't a big fan until I watched DDMD.

One of the reasons why I enjoyed Daria in the earlier seasons was because of the close relationship that both of them shared. Something that, if someone had pointed the above observation to Daria and Jane, would have been met by either embarrassment or ridicule by our dynamic duo.

This was one of the reason why I have always been ambivalent about the introduction of Thomas Sloane. It seemed to me that after Daria got a significant other, regardless on how it happened, most of Dariadom jumped in lock step behind the relationship and was almost universally unanimous that Jane should now take a diminished role in Daria's life.

I understand the natural response that to be in a relationship with someone somehow validates them as a human being. However, it seemed to me that a lot of Daria fans thought that Jane should just step aside, admit she was wrong, accept things have changed, and become some surrogate sounding board for Daria whenever Tom was at "The Cove".

Huh. Like Tom could ever fill Jane Lane's Doc Martined boots. This attitude used to send me into screaming fits of rage!

Jane's character deserved much better than that.

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In IICY? when Daria finally ended her relationship with Tom AND found out that she and Jane would be going to college in Boston, that reaffirmed what I believed, and what Roger so cannily observed, that they are two halves of a whole and regardless of who they decide to settle down and have (or not have) children with, this will always be the same.

For those who read "Strangers In Paradise" it's almost like Daria and Jane share that same relationship that Katchoo and Francine have shared throughout the years.

Well without that lesbian assassin call-girl thing. :-D

It's strange that the very story arc that made me finally watch the show regularly was the one that I thought would tear apart one of reasons why I loved the show in the first place; the twin souls that finally found each other after a near lifetime of misunderstood loneliness.

<Well, that and the dead on sarcastic slant of the show also appealed to me too!>

Then after going through the ugliness at the end of Season 4 and still remaining together...yes Roger they do have something even rarer than true love; a true friendship.

The best of friends indeed...

Firah -- We are the future...not them. They no longer matter. - Magneto The X-Men

Roger70129Firah

What Firah, said. Yeah.

Tom's introduction into the show was logical, I think, because teenage high-school students normally find girl/boyfriends at some point. It was also an unmitigated disaster for the private world Daria and Jane shared, because same-sex friends nearly always find that when romance appears, the friendship withers. Brittany put it best in her advice column in "The Daria Diaries" when she responded to a suspiciously familiar situation:

"Dear Brittany, I like the same guy as my best friend. What should I do? Feeling Guilty. "Dear Guilty, I'd go for the guy. Once you have a boyfriend, you don't have much time to hang out with other girls, anyway."

Most of us look pouty when we can't be with a friend who's dating, but we always have other friends, and we go out with them instead. Besides, when it's our turn to get a Significant Other, we can dump everyone, and they'll understand and cope because they have other friends, too.

Daria and Jane, however, do NOT have other friends who share anything at all like what they share with each other. No one else understands their alienation, anger, frustration, and cynicism. No one else accepts them as they are, as they do each other. They have no other close friends at all. The entire show was constructed on this foundation. "There's this one girl named Jane who is snide, antisocial, and resentful," Daria writes in her diary after moving to Lawndale. "Finally, a friend." Trent did not pose any real threat to the relationship, Trent being asleep so often and so clueless about Daria's crush on him--not to mention being Jane's sister, making them the perfect package deal for Daria if Trent had only noticed her (ignoring problems like statutory rape laws).

Tom was different, a ten-megaton blast of lethal radiation washing over a double-island paradise. Jane is gone with Tom, Daria has nothing to do. Then Daria is gone with Tom, and Jane has nothing to do. Both feel the old loneliness creep back. Tom's cool and cynical and a good kisser, but he's just not like [fill in the blank]. You don't know what you've got till it's gone, and there is a grave danger that it is really, really gone.

Yet even through their nuclear winter, Daria and Jane still try to make their friendship work. They don't give up. How many people--seriously now--do that? And they pull it off (thanks to the script writers). "Boxing Daria" highlights how far Tom has begun to drift from Daria's heart and mind, and how critical Jane has once again become to Daria's mental health and emotional well being.

College life is certainly different, and Daria and Jane would know that they were going to be apart more often (though still in the same city). There would be more opportunities to meet guys. And they might have no problem with that--jeez, everyone likes to kiss and be kissed. It's like having your passport to humanity stamped. Ya gotta do it. However, one would think that in the post-Tom world, Daria and Jane would have worked out an ironclad new priority: Their friendship comes first; guys (perhaps even husbands) come further down the list. And if someone doesn't understand that, the door's thataway, don't let it hit you in the ass when it shuts. Daria and Jane might be more strongly inclined to move together when big moves must be made. If they've fought so long to stay in each other's life, why stop now? (We're their scriptwriters now, you see.) That which does not kill us won't necessarily make us stronger, but we will damn sure be prepared for it the second time it shows up.

I think it is tempting to turn Daria and Jane into lesbians in fanfic as a way of armoring them against future Toms, or because, well, why the hell else did they want to keep each other around when they could have had a GUY, forgoshsakes? Like any of us straight people would have even bothered to try keeping a best friend around. You could probably do a good Daria/Jane slash story and make it click, though you would have to add a mountain of backstory all the way back to the kind of books Daria checked out as a child with her adult library card, adding entirely new lines of mental dialogue to every scene, whole new scenes that never happened, etc. Why bother?

Seeing Daria and Jane as halves of a whole makes so much more sense, and it's so easy to run with. And it makes them so much more rare and wonderful as characters.

WarewolfRoger70129

[email] (Roger70129) wrote in news:[email]:

I think if MTV or a fanfic writer ever decides to conjoin these two, there could be a problem. :)

As much as they fit in now, I don't think the rest of Lawndale would accept them anymore than their respective colleges would send them two scholarships a piece.

Never mind, what Tom would think. ;)

Signed, Warewolf at Large