is a four day vacation sans mutant pigs, cheesing off the cats and reclaiming the house (one of the cats, Sable, the long-haired black princess cat behaved just like Quinn in DTAH) with just under 17 hours until a new Daria ep.
Downside? Returning to the salt mines and being sent to a faraway pit.
Nah, happiness is sitting by the heart-shaped swimming pool of my Malibu mansion and saying to Javier my pool boy, "Yes, I will teach you how to dance if you can teach me how to laugh again."
Somebody explain the difference between dreams and reality to me again...
Sarra
"I seem fated to pass through life without ever colliding with it."
In article , [email] wrote:
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It's simple: Dreams are free. Reality costs money.
dreams are horrible. actually i had one really weird but quite good one the other day. yes, it was daytime. i have mentioned my sleeping habits here before. ;)
On Wed, 07 Jul 1999 22:33:32 +0100, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from "endless, nameless" , and it said:
I actually flew recently. And I think I know why. Any time there's some single stress in my life, I fly in my dreams. I think it's kind of a stress reliever. Back when I was flying all the time, there was a bully that was constantly taunting and threatening me. I had another one after running into another guy who hadn't gotten over the fourth grade, when he would mess with me then. Now, my fight is to master this huge and heavy vehicle, and learn to share the road with a bunch of complete *idiots*! I thought it was bad in a car; I've had three people pull out in front of my truck. Cecilia (another student) had this woman pull out in front of her, close enough where Cecilia had to slam the brakes, and that woman would have still been in traction, and her kid in the backseat, dead, had Cecilia not been a complete bad ass (translation: extremely good) manuverer. There was *no* collision.
Come to think of it, I think it was that night I flew...
i rarely fly in dreams... have done so maybe two or three times. i think that tends to be when i have a decrease in stress, which is probably why it doesn't happen very often. i get lost or trapped in dreams a lot. i think that translates pretty directly to stuff in my life. my dreams are on the whole, horribly bleak and stressfull. i have had some truly terrifying dreams, but mostly they are just lonely. humm... i sorta concluded that my subconscious is a bit fucked.
understandably!
On Thu, 08 Jul 1999 01:02:27 +0100, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from "endless, nameless" , and it said:
You ever woke up, screaming "Get out! Get out of here!"? Or, have you woke up in such a way that when your memory kicks in, your standing outside your door, screaming, with your dad trying to calm you down, and, when you go back in, all you can remember is this sense of extreme *wrongness*, and the physical evidence suggest you absolutely *bolted* out the door from a deep sleep? I have some really cool ones at times, and then there are the fucking terrifying ones I don't remember, with this sense that I was somehow... attacked.
These sorts of dreams don't bother me much, because I've gotten to the point where, if I have a recurrance, I can become aware enough to change my reaction to it. Instead of running from the big bad wolf, I pull my woodsman's axe and take 'im out. ;)
I had a really wierd one last night. On one end of it, I drove a bus to this camp, and, for some odd reason, some of the people from "Friends" were there, and I was hanging out with them. On the other end of it, I drove with my brother (who's fourteen) to a grocery store, and, all the while asking myself why the *hell* I was doing this, but not being able to stop the course of the dream, I bought myself a bottle of gin or something, and my brother a pack of cigarrettes. And my parents didn't have a problem with it. Now, compared to the dreams where I fly alongside Peter Pan, or are attacked by invisible monsters, or what not, that was *wierd*.
<snip extreme scariness>
I have dreams with scary content, but I always wake up saying *coooool*. Ferinstance a week ago I dreamt that my Grandfather and I were watching the news, and the newsreader form The Simpsons announced that Vampires were coming to invade the world. And we went outside, and these Vampires were in fighter planes, sillouted against the sun. We started running away, but there was no way we could make. BUT then, suddenly I realised the apocalypse had occured, and thus everything was somehow okay. Then I woke up. <gah>
I've had one dream that takes two pages to narrate, but I can't be bothered to type it out.
For 50 bonus points, who can name the shedemon that attacks men in their sleep?
In article , [email] wrote:
The Succubus. The male counterpart is the Incubus (which is another word for "nightmare").
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Damn, Bear, that was quick! I am now going to throw away all my reference books and any time I have a question, I'm going to post it here. ;)
In article , [email] wrote:
I check Deja regularly as a means of avoiding what I'm supposed to be doing.
Don't throw those reference books away just yet, you never know when a table will break, ending up with one leg 5" shorter than the others. You'll be wishing you had an encyclopaedia then...
<kevin> Aawhh, Maan! </kevin> I got a Chicken Tikka pastie for lunch and all the filling has oozed out the bottom, so I have a paper bag full of chicken tikka sauce. Including all the chicken chunks. Highly Unamusing.
[scoops up sauce with last piece of pastry, gets a load all over fingers, types carefully left-handed]
[email] wrote:
Sandi?
On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:42:25 -0400, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from Jeg7777 , and it said:
Lanfear. ;p
[email] wrote:
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<hehe> My wife would probably agree with you if you threw in a pitcher of fruity umbrella drinks and a box of *really* good chocolates.
You can control your dreams. Your reality is another matter.
[email] wrote:
{{snip for love, snip for LIFE!!}}
Funny, I always thought it was the other way round.
--J.
On Thu, 08 Jul 1999 10:56:24 -0700, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from "Jessica L." , and it said:
Sometimes you can do one, sometimes the other. Normally I control my dreams better than my life. Lately, I control my life better than my dreams (see reply to Ali).
"Jessica L." wrote:
<grinning> I think you have some serious unlearning to do. ;)
I've only been scanning the posts regarding dreams, but I noticed this sentence from someone:
So here's an odd story from my childhood. I used to have a recurring nightmare where I was being chased by a giant pair of ghostly-looking eyes. I would wake up crying. Naturally I got teased by my older brothers, who would put their hands in circles surrounding their eyes and run after me hollering "Boooooo! Spooky Eyes are gonna get you!" One night, as the eyes were chasing me in my nightmare, I stopped running. I made a fist, and delivered a mighty punch directly at the eyes! I woke up....and never had that nightmare again.
So put me down as one vote for "you can control your dreams"...
i've not managed to control a dream at all... :( oh well.
i must go to bed now, i have to get up at the crack of dawn tomorrow... ie, the time i went to bed yesterday...
On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:50:10 -0400, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from Jeg7777 , and it said:
Wow. Every time I've ever tried hitting anything or anyone in my dreams, I always get that feeling like I'm under water. It's frustrating. Mostly, I can escape, or divert the dream, or fly away. I wonder if that can be overcome...
Okay. Someone else go next. :)
On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:32:57 GMT, [email] (Tarvok) wrote:
On those occasions where I remember my dreams, they are dreams in which I realized I was dreaming. When this happens, I can and do direct the action mentally, so to speak. I have complete control over my dreams.
He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
Kyle wrote:
I believe this is called "lucid dreaming." It's something of which I could never quite get the knack, but have always been fascinated by. I think I've known I was dreaming less than five times in my life. Therefore I'm terribly jealous of all you people who can control your dreams. :-p
--J.
Jessica L. of ASOP (Association of Strange
There's even a newsgroup about it, alt.dreams.lucid, though it's a long time since I last checked it out. They have a FAQ, and there are various devices you can buy or build yourself to help you learn lucid dreaming. Basically some goggles with a little sensor detect your REM phase from your eye movements and then flash some lights or sound a buzzer which if it percolates into your dream is supposed to tell you that you're dreaming. It's said though that the first step to lucid dreaming is to actually remember your dreams - as if you can't do that systematically you won't even know if you've been having lucid dreams or not! It's suggested you keep a dream diary, and get into the habit of whenever you wake up, lie still a little while and try to recall the dreams you've just had, then write them down before they fade.
Confusingly some people refer to extraordinarily vivid dreams as "lucid dreams", where you are totally convinced that you are awake. Such folk refer to the other type of dream as "conscious dreaming" I think.
-Shez.
So, is lucid dreaming the same thing as when you can't control what's happening in your dream but you're still aware that you're dreaming? I didn't explain that very well, but nine times out of ten when I'm dreaming, some part of my mind is aware that it's not real. And I actually remind myself while I'm dreaming that I am dreaming.
And I dream in colour too. Aren't dreams meant to be in monochrome?
Sarr
I believe dreams are your brain's way of running modeling simulations on everyday life. I may be getting a little Freudian here, but if you have some unresolved issue or problem, your brain works out various scenarios while you sleep. Depending on the problem, some of the scenarios can be rather terrifying. Ultimately you come up with a solution that you can use in real life. I don't think interacting with the dream is necessary or even desireable. The interaction will come in the real world. I just like to watch the show and wonder how it's going to come out. You never know when you're going to dream about a snake biting its tail.
It's an artistic decision made by the director. Sometimes monochrome is preferable from an artistic point of view. What galls me is when people want to ruin perfectly good dreams by colorizing them.
I once had a dream where I was at my mom's house and she was acting weird and mumbling. I went to leave the house and she pulled out a gun and fired a shot at me!
Can anyone assist me to figure out how I may apply this to real life? :-)
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Jeg7777 of sorely lacking writes:
I think the moral is, watch out for alien spirits which come to Earth in meteorites and possess people's brains, turning them into homicidal zombies. Your dream reminds me of an episode of The Tomorrow People, where Jade's mother is acting kind of weird for precisely that reason. Jade however is too busy yakking on to notice, and it's only by chance that she leaves the house to visit some friends, just as her mother was starting to walk towards her with a bread knife raised to plunge into her back.
That was a pretty cool TV series come to think of it.
-Shez.
[email] writes:
No, the idea is that on becoming aware that it's just a dream you are then able to control it like you would a daydream, except it still seems as real as a normal dream. So it's the ultimate in a virtual reality adventure, which is why people try so hard to master the technique. Polls show that the most popular activity during lucid dreams is flying, though sex also figures in the top ten as you might imagine.
I think it probably depends on whether you are interested in the colour of things normally.
-Shez.
On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:36:15 +0100, Shez wrote:
I didn't know I was so blessed with the natural talent.
And as far as content goes... no comment.
He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:58:31 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email], and it said:
I've heard that most people dream in black and white, but I've never met anyone who was certain they did so. Personally, I dream in color, and everyone I've ever really discussed the topic with also dreams in color.
"I dream in pictures but the sound is muted" Anyone want to venture which artist performed a song with said above lyric? ;)
Anyways, I dream in color. Doesn't mean you're weird or something. I don't think so, anyway....
"Doesn't have to be serious",
Diane
[email] wrote:
i dream in colour... what is it about some people dreaming in black and white? i don't think i've ever known anyone who does that... incidentally.. would a deaf person have silent dreams? and would a colourblind person be able to see in proper colours?
endless, nameless wrote:
Why do people always ask that? I've never known one person to dream in black-and-white. I always dream in colour, often quite vivid colour (particularly in lucid dreams. Often the memory of a vivid colour sparks on dream recall for me). I mean, unless in my dream I'm watching an old Kate Hepburn film, and how often does that happen?
MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
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"Parece cosa de maligno. Los pianos no estallan por casualidad." --Gabriel Garcia Marquez
N.P.:"Astral Animal"- S e v e n t h W a v e / P s i - F i [I swear this is a fluke. Anyone around here ever astral-project, BTW? "Ripe as a raisin, so give it a squeeze"]
Jessica L. wrote:
It takes a bit of practice, but you can achieve it if you really try. I now have something between a half dozen to a dozen lucid dreams yearly, and that's without even trying (I don't even keep a regular dream journal anymore, though I periodically record dreams if they're particularly interesting or notable). I recommend reading the following books if you're really interested:
"Lucid Dreaming" by Stephen LaBerge "Creative Dreaming" by Patricia Garfield "Dream Power" by Dr. Ann Faraday (not about lucid dreaming per se, but a great read about controlling your dream life to improve your waking life. Her other book, "The Dream Game", is supposed to be worth picking up too).
MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
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"The world of the heterosexual is a sick and boring life." --Edith Massey
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On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:32:31 -0700, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from "Jessica L." , and it said:
One thing to be careful about is that, I think, you need to realize that you're dreaming... but _not_ realize it too much. I've found that, most of the time, once I know I'm dreaming, I am very close to waking. It doesn't take long for the dream to start to seem rediculously fake, as I become more and more concious of the fact that I'm actually laying in my bed.
One trick for staying asleep is to spin when you feel yourself starting to wake up. I found this worked for me.
I just dug out my copy of the lucid dreaming FAQ and this is what it says on the subject:
"Two simple techniques can help you overcome this problem. The first is to remain calm in the dream. Becoming lucid is exciting, but expressing the excitement can awaken you. Suppress your feeling somewhat and turn your attention to the dream. If the dream shows signs of ending, such as the disappearance, loss of clarity or depth of the imagery, "spinning" can help bring the dream back. As soon as the dream starts to "fade," before you feel your real body in bed, spin your dream body like a top. That is, twirl around like a child trying to get dizzy (you probably will not get dizzy during dream spinning because your physical body is not spinning around). Remind yourself, "The next scene will be a dream." When you stop spinning, if it is not obvious that you are dreaming, do a reality test. Even if you think you are awake, you may be surprised to find that you are still dreaming!"
-Shez.
On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:38:17 +0100, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from Shez , and it said:
That's interesting. I wonder how, or, for that matter, if that works? I, unfortunately, am usually awakened by the radio or buzzer, indicating that it is time to get up, these days, so it'll be a while before I can try that. Maybe Saturday morning, I can try this.
Ever dreamt that you wake up and you're in your bed, where in reality you're actually dreaming still? Happened to me once. Freaked the hell outta me. --- ~Po
CROWDSURFERS WILL BE EJECTED FROM THE BUILDING. It can be harmful, and most of all disrespectful to climb on other people's heads. Crowdsurfing should only be done naked and in the privacy of your own home.
Thank you The Beastie Boys
CrtoonDude wrote:
That happens to lucid dreamers a *lot*. That's how I had two consecutive lucid dreams one night.
MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
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"It is not an obscenity to be free. It is a divine right." --Annette Peacock
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Not sure where in the thread this belongs, but I'm tacking it on here.
Prophetic dreams. Ever dreamed an event and seen it happen in reality the next day, or a few days later? It's happened to me maybe two or three times, but I can only remember the first time it happened, probably because it was such a bizarre occurence. by which I mean the prophetic dream bit, not the events that occurred, which are usually pretty mundane.
This isn't Deja Vu either. In the dream, persons A and B walk over to person C [1]. The dream identifies these persons for you; you know that _is_ person B, not just someone that looks like them.[2] The next day, you glance around, and see exactly that, same people, same motions, same situation.
I remember the first time this happened mainly because it was the first time I became aware of it happening (I was 10 at the time [1]). I'm sure it's happened a couple more times, but I don't remember them. I'd probably be more freaked if it were things like plane crashes or car accidents, but the events I see happening are so short and so mundane as to be forgetable... ,:}
[1] I was in Class 7 (last year of Junior School, before starting high school). We were standing around outside waiting to go to swimming lessons. I turn around to look back into the classroom through the window. -> Sarah Glover and Joanne ? walk over to Mr. Farimond, who is standing by the door, and start to talk to him <- . The motions and people exactly as I dreamed it. A two second glimpse into the future...
[2] I've had dreams where I've seen someone, and know them to be person X, when they look nothing like their real life counterpart...
Bear wrote in message news:7mcj70$kjf$[email]...
Sure, I've had my share of precognitive dreams. I dismiss them. As a rationalist I cannot base my actions on such information. However I will concede that it's possible that the mind, while running its modeling simulations each night, might analyze a possible outcome for a certain possible random event. While I don't believe in crystal balls I do believe in science and reason and being prepared for various possibilities. If chance happens to decree that something happen that you've already prepared for, is that precognition, or reason? "Live every day as if it were your last, one day you'll be right."--is that reason? or precognition? (or just philosophy?)
That's the whole problem with fortune-telling, PSI phenomenon and other such crap. No one has yet constructed a satisfactorily rigorous experiment to prove any of it. You just can't tell whether you're actually receiving messages from someplace else or whether you're just being clever in analyzing the data that is readily available through more conventional channels. Some people are amazed at what is possible with simple observation and reasoning and attribute it to "magic."
"That's why they took away my psychic hotline."
such crap. No one has yet constructed a satisfactorily rigorous >experiment to prove any of it. You just can't tell whether you're >actually receiving messages from someplace else or whether you're >just being clever in analyzing the data that is readily available >through more conventional channels. Some people are amazed at >what is possible with simple observation and reasoning and >attribute it to "magic."
Since it seems unlikely that anyone else will defend fortune-telling, I'll leap to its defence. I've reading Tarot for a bit, mainly for friends, once or twice for money. While I doubt there's any factual basis to it at all, it's surprisingly easily to say something the victim will really connect with, and form then on you're on a roll. I maintain that Tarot is a far more skilled version of the respected science of Psychology, involving the same amount of counseling and advice, yet also having to build your interpretation around some random pictorial cards.
Gah... that's probably the first non-facetious thing I've ever posted here. Someone gimme a biscuit!
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Greg Pallis wrote:
While I don't hold that Tarot cards are a good thing to base your entire future around, I do a bit of reading now and then. Beside the fact that my cards are breathtakingly beautiful and I enjoy just looking at them (it's the Haindl Deck--for those of you that means anything to), I often find that in interpretation and meditation upon the answer the cards give will show me something I hadn't considered before. It's quite neat, actually. By reading Tarot cards, I've even seen exits from unpleasant situations I would never have seen otherwise. It's like an exercise in guided creative thinking, I suppose. Very therapeutic most of the time.
Anyway... it's just plain fun. :-)
*gives Greg a biscuit*
--J.
In article , "R. K. Henry" wrote:
The only thing is, I don't recognise the pre-cognitive dream for what it is until after the event. For example, if I dream I open the kitchen cupboard and a can of beans falls on my head, it's only the next day after picking myself up from the kitchen floor and swearing a lot that I recall that I dreamt that exact event happening. I wouldn't have hesitated to open the cupboard, as up to that point, "it was only a dream".
Or even, I see two complete strangers bump into each other and drop what they're carrying, recognising their faces from the dream I had. I doubt anything I've done in my life has "prepared" me for that event.
As I said before, my precognitive dreams are so mundane as to be useless, interesting only for their "Well, whaddaya know..." factor.
Oh, I've had those dreams a *LOT*. One time I dreamt that I was over at my grandma's house (which was then next door to my own), and I must've been about ten or so, and anyways I was there and we were sitting in the den on these really ugly red vinyl couches that were there...I was sitting to the right of her and we were watching some really boring TV commercial when there was this HUGE "boom" sound and we could see lightning flashes across the late evening sky...and I was in this one outfit, I forget what it was though, and Grandma was in her light turquoise overcoat, and I'd dreamt Mom called us and told us she was coming on over so for me to come back to the house and she'd stay with Grandma.
Two or three days later that *same* exact event happened. Everything, every little detail of the dream, happened. Even up to the point where I was fumbling for the phone in just the same manner as I did in the dream.
And that's just one case....
Diane
Bear wrote:
Diane Aguilar wrote:
Diane, remind me to email you before I take my next trip. ;-)
rich.
Mr. O'Neill: Let's pledge to make Daria's dream a reality!
Daria: You mean the one where people walking down the street burst into flames?
Mr. O'Neill: The coffeehouse!
i have dreams like that quite a lot. i read somewhere that 1 in 12 people do. my dad predicted his mother's death after a dream. usually when i have those dreams i don't remember them until the thing happens, so i can't guarantee i'm actually having the dreams, i guess. lol..