Cool! Thanks to all for responding to the age question. I am always curious about who watches the programs I enjoy most, like D! Since I cannot see the D program on the weekly 1 pm sked, I watch it in the late afternoon/early evening via the vcr and checking out this NG whilst it plays. Watching the Thursday "Quinn the Brain" right now. This is probably the only program I can enjoy watching more than 5 times and still get more and more out of it. D rules!
I try to get up in time to watch at the 1PM slot but sometimes like today Im not so fortunate. Other wise I pray that my manger doesn't shcedule me past 9 on Wednesdays so I cant watch the new ones live.
So who would you look for, if you were single and looking for a "Daria" character?
And does answering the question say anything in particular about your personality?
Joe 37, male, single, looking for...hmmmm....this is going to be tough if you're like me and the women here, looking for a guy. At least it's tough if you're not a 'shipper, anyway...plus there's no male version of Daria. Maybe I'll look for Mack. Remember Mack and Jodie? I think they used to be on this show once.... :-)
Not always. But for Brits it's kind of hard to get in there when there's something going on...well, usually, anyway. However, we meet in there on Sundays from 11am to 2pm Pacific, 2 to 5pm Eastern. I think that makes it 7pm to 10pm GMT, so maybe you should drop in and see us then. Martin Sylvester manages to make it there then.
BTW, I've done a few tweaks to your code block...I'll send you the tweaked version so you can compare and see if you think these should be canonical or not.
No question. Daria is my dream girl. I've thought so since the first time I saw the show. She's perfection. That's the real reason I watch the show, even though I keep telling myself that it's because it's so funny, or well-written. I'm in love with Daria. There, I said it.
I'd have to say that I find Daria the most attractive female character on the show, followed (oddly enough) by Andrea. (They haven't shown much of her but what they have shown of her personality I really like). I don't think I'd like dating Jane, sorry Jane fans. And Jodie is nice but way too bland.
As for Quinn and the rest of the FC, blech. Brittany's a cutie but there's not much going on upstairs ... no, farther up, don't let your eyes linger there! :)
Heh. Interesting question. Back in high school, I'd have gone for Daria herself... and gotten utterly ignored, most likely. Nowadays I'm more partial to the Jane types, if you can call it a type. Face it, Jane rules. Of course, I'd probably be too intimidated in real life to actually say anything to her...
Jane is kinda cute, I have to admit that, but the only one I could live with till death do us part is Daria. Watching those episodes is like looking in the mirror for me. A girl like that would be my soul-mate. Unfortunately you don't meet girls like her easily (or boys like me for that matter). Ugly side-effect of being antisocial. MSB
Well, at the risk of this sounding like shameless self-promotion, I, as well as some other friends of mine, have been accused of BEING Daria. It's not just the physical resemblance (hey, same height, too - see my post under the 5'2 subbie), though it's slightly uncanny, or at least WAS so until I got contacts. It's also the cynicism, the sarcasm, the sense of humor, the voice, and the enirely droll outlook on life. So us Daria-esque girls are out there, great big hordes of us. It's just the Trent-type guy that I'm having trouble finding....
Anastasia, be prepared to take on quite a load of marriage proposals, dating opportunities, and other such stuff. Just by letting the hetero males here on this forum know this little bit of information has seriously increased their interests.... *g*
Ah, hmm. ;-) Not an entirely repulsive thought, and I would welcome any such flattering stuff when and if it should come my way. <g> Odd that the qualities that repel most guys in real life (and caused me to start watching and identifying with 'Daria') are the ones that attract guys here. Yay.
Aww, come on now, I haven't seen any such proposals on this group... in fact, it's almost miraculous that such an air of restrained civility exists on this NG. We've all been perfect gentlemen so far... well, almost perfect.
rich.
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They always compared me to Einstein (I wonder if he was a cynic) and I hated it. I always wanted to be acknowledged for my creative side (see end of message) not my rational one.
I tried contacts (my mom pressured me), but when they didn't get them right on the 3rd attempt I happily returned to my glasses (now my mom wants me to get smaller ones, she's constantly complaining about my outfit). However I'm thinking of getting that laser treatment someday.
Unless someone gets me started on a controversial subject, I have that pretty much under control in public. Sometimes, I lose it though and scare the hell out of people because there's no way to tell when I'm being honest and when I'm being sarcastic.
I thought so, but where and how to get in touch with you? It's not coincidence that Trent is Jane's brother. The authors of the show couldn't think of any other way to set Daria up with someone.
If you're looking for a Trent, you'll have to rule me out :�-( I'm the Daria-type guy (though I do write songs occasionally). That is actually my problem. If I was like Trent I'd be hanging out somewhere at least sometimes and meet people (though no Darias, probably). But aside from university (not the social stuff like parties etc., just the lectures) and occasionally the library and movie theater, there's no public place I visit regularly. It's not that I dislike being antisocial, it's just that I'd wish I had someone to join me in being antisocial for the rest of my life.
Maybe I will be alone. When my heart will stop to beat With a subtle undertone Of regret at its defeat.
But at least I will die knowing That search in vain I did not do For whenever I stopped going I could always think of you.
A little poem for you to thank you for that little flicker of hope you gave me. (Please don't laugh at me. I know poems are old-fashioned. I like 'em anyway.) MSB
If you do, take a good long look around you -- because there is an excellent chance that after LASIK or PRK, you will *never* have perfect vision again.
See http://members.aol.com/eyeknowwhy -- "I Know Why Refractive Surgeons Wear Glasses." Excellent site, it'll teach you all sorts of interesting terminology. Like GASH: acronym for Glare, Arcs, Starbursts, Halos, the usual side-effects of such surgery. Or "enhancement surgery" -- that's when they have to go back and do the surgery over again, because they didn't get it right the first time; as if your doctor were "enhancing" your appendectomy by going back to remove the clamp he left in. Or "cornea meltdown," which I think explains itself.
I was actually told I remind people of Daria as well. Although I'm not as quick to comeback as she is. I'm pretty pathetic. I put an ad in the friendfinder describing trent.(right down to the unsucessful band and piercings)
Oh, by the way. In "Pierce me" whatever happened to Trent getting the eyebrow ring?
On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:56:02 -0400 (EDT), some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (CRYSTAL MIELCAREK), and it said:
That's a good question. They went for the "two for one" special, but I don't recall Trent ever getting his piercing. I noticed this last time I watched it, but forgot to mention it here.
The guy working there seemed a little out of it. he couldnt remember all the instructions to daria after she got pierced. He might've just gotten distracted and forgot to have it done. --- ~Po CROWDSURFERS WILL BE EJECTED FROM THE BUILDING. It can be harmful, and most of all disrespectful to climb on other people's heads. Crowdsurfing should only be done naked and in the privacy of your own home.
I asked about this months ago and no one seemed to have any helpful ideas. Since then I have concluded that if we could only get access to the outtakes, we would find that after Daria got down from the table, Trent climbed up, and used his 2-fer opportunity to get a genital piercing. That's why we haven't seen it yet, although I certainly hope we'll get a close-up, at some point. We got a close-up of Daria's belly-button ring. Fair is fair.
i second this theory, only because i was going to post it myself, but i thought twice. --- ~Po CROWDSURFERS WILL BE EJECTED FROM THE BUILDING. It can be harmful, and most of all disrespectful to climb on other people's heads. Crowdsurfing should only be done naked and in the privacy of your own home.
Don't give up guy. It is my own addled belief that everyone has a soul-mate out there. The problem is finding *The One* on a planet teeming with people. This California guy found his at a place called Fort Stewart, Georgia, 23 years ago. Twas amazing. At the time, the ratio of men to females (including grandmothers and just born babes) was about 50:1. I had just resigned myself to living the next couple of years as a monk, when the thunderbolt hit. Been dazed ever since.
"You've been married to the same woman for 21 years? What do you think this is, the 50s?"
I do believe in "the One", at least ever since I met my Barry. Before then I didn't believe, though, so it's kinda easy for me to see how people could not believe and all. In fact I myself had resigned myself to a life of singlehood until That Moment. I seriously believe It comes when you're not looking for it, when you've given up on trying to look and started to get comfortable with yourself inside. That's when I think that magic moment happens. Unless you *seriously* don't want it in the very heart of your soul, in which God providentally takes care of all matters.
As far as long lasting marriages is concerned, my parents have been married since 1966 and before that they knew each other from early childhood. I think it's amazing they could go through all those years of marriage, and hope that when it's my turn I too will be that committed. Most divorces to me seem too frivolous, like they weren't really trying to make the marriage work. Of course, if a woman wants to divorce because her husband hits her and/or her children and/or mistreats them, then I say "let the divorcing begin...and may this woman never choose another lout again".
i had resigned myself to "a life of singlehood" until i got together with my boyfriend, too. i still don't trust myself not to dump him for some violent arrogant maniac who refuses to do his own ironing or lift the toilet seat before taking a leak (like my dad) though, as that's what i grew up with.
main problem is, imo, that a lot of women *like* louts.
the way i see it is this: if some guy won't even lift a toilet seat for you, he isn't even worth shouting at. call me fussy, but i wouldn't go out with someone who didn't even like me enough to avoid pissing on the toilet seat lol.
On Sat, 31 Jul 1999 17:54:04 +0100, "endless, nameless" wrote:
Poor and naive girl. You think not lifting the toilet seat is bad? You're lucky if that's a man's only flaw. When I go to the restroom at university with 2 other guys. Guess what? I'm the only one who washes his hands after pissing. And I'm talking MATHS department here. The intellectual elite. Smart. Polite. Educated. At a McDonald's restroom I'd say the figure is closer to 80% non-washers. By the way, I was at a McDonald's restroom just 2 weeks ago. They didn't even _have_ toilet seats. Isn't it just great. Instead of wasting the money they save it for improving the quality of the burgers. MSB
p.s.: I want to mention that of course not only do I wash my hands after pissing, I also lift any toilet seats I can find (I really do that. If it keeps the seat clean for just another hour, I feel I have made the world a little better.). Needless to say that I am also vegetarian, anti-alcoholic, non-smoker and should I ever engage in any sexual activities, I _will_ take my socks off! I am also an above-average cook and I can sew. I would do my ironing myself if I owned anything that needs ironing. I believe that I'd also be a very diligent foreplayer. I don't stay out late. I don't give in to any temptations. I'm gentle. I'm sensitive. I never refuse or evade talking about anything. Sometimes I even have a sense of humor :-) I am the perfect husband, dammit. Now if I'd only find that Daria wife I'm looking for.
I bet you drive around town just looking for toilet seats to lift.... wow, what a hobby.
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Hey, sometimes it's cold-- believe me, sometimes you want to keep those socks on-- but the real issue is if you're going to wear socks, at least wear clean ones. ;-)
ewww! that is SICK... i'm trying to eat here! (and it's not as if i'm not having enough difficulty already lol)
good :)
errrr hummmm...
very good... i made my boyfriend quit smoking... then he put on weight and i made him diet. lol...
these last two here are my boyfriend's weak points. ie he can't even make toast without burning it, and when a button falls off his shirt he just whines about it, as far as i can tell. ;)
On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:26:37 +0100, "endless, nameless" wrote:
You fake! What about your
"haha... i could take a few pictures of my spectacularly-coloured tonsils if anyone's interested...? ;)"
comment in another message of yours.
I'm not a radical. I just don't order it and I don't buy it for drinking. When I go to a greek restaurant and they give me the usual free glass of Ouzo, I don't refuse it. And "Fondue au fromage" is actually one of my favorites. Speaking of this. I guess Americans would go crazy over the thought of letting a kid eat something that has wine as one of its main ingredients. Oh, I see another discussion on cultural differences coming up :-) <MSB loads up his Bias Blaster (tm)>
I'm on a diet, too, currently. Want to get my Body Mass Index from 22.7 down to 20.1. Oh, forgot to mention, I calculate BMI=(weight in kg)/square(height in m)
On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:52:35 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (Matthias Benkmann), and it said:
Actually, I really don't have that big of a problem with aclohol. In fact, I think teaching a kid _how_ to drink (or not so much teaching, but just setting an examlple) might avert some of the deaths caused by fraternity hazing.
My problem is with drinking until you've totally lost the ability to walk, puke it all out, and drink some more. Or specifically drinking with the intention of getting drunk. A little beer or wine might loosen things up, no problem with that. A _lot_ of beer will wreak havoc.
the tonsils have shrunk a bit now, incidentally. and i have lost 2lb, which is almost worth the illness, heh. i may well fake inability to eat for another couple of days... i feel like joining in on my boyfriend's diet. ;)
WHY NOT?? ;) Ouzo is one of the few drinks i would refuse... along with 2 other (also greek) drinks... raki and retsina. yuk yuk yuk...
kids in greece are given alcoholic drinks... you are allowed alcohol at any age there... what's the law on that in germany?
i just worked mine out like that... mine is 14.1. :)
What's the formula for conversion from inches to CM? I don't think it's what I think it is, 'cause with it like that I ended up with a BMI of 30.1. And even I'm not that fat.
What's the formula again? Or someone can work it out for me*: I'm 170cm, 50kg (Or am I 45? I forget). Note these are approximate values, which were right the last time I checked, which was some time ago, and I have no means of checking them myself.
* Due to some bizarre computer thing, my browser crashes when Deja tries to send it more than 50 posts to read. Doesn't happen on other machines I've checked, only on my machine. Which makes reading past posts on this thread difficult; I don't even know what the keyword would be...
What's that in American terms? I'm i think like 5'9 and 150. That's 5 foot 9 inches and 150 pounds, for those of you not farmilliar with the RIGHT way to measure things. ; ) --- ~Po CROWDSURFERS WILL BE EJECTED FROM THE BUILDING. It can be harmful, and most of all disrespectful to climb on other people's heads. Crowdsurfing should only be done naked and in the privacy of your own home.
On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:10:31 +0100, "Greg Pallis" wrote:
You're a kid or teenager, right? Otherwise you either got those units wrong or you suffer from a severe eating disorder and should see a doctor immediately. MSB
*Yup, teenager* But I also Miscalcuated, it's really 16.9 I don't really have an eating disorder, I just have, like, no tastebuds. So food gives me almost no pleasure, and thus I find eating it a waste of time :P
Hey, alright, i'm on the board! --- ~Po CROWDSURFERS WILL BE EJECTED FROM THE BUILDING. It can be harmful, and most of all disrespectful to climb on other people's heads. Crowdsurfing should only be done naked and in the privacy of your own home.
And how do you convert from pounds to kgs? I was thinking "divide by 2" and got a little over Mindy -- 31.067. OK, so I'm really strong and a lot of my weight is actually muscle mass, but still...I'm not huge. And I did the inch to meter conversion correctly and everything -- 67 in = 170.2 cm = 1.702 m.
Either that or we've got some seriously skinny people here on this ng. *cringe* Jealous.... (although...the cute guy behind the counter at our area's Barnes and Nobles did flirt with me today....)
You guys need a modern measuring system - I'll swap you your constitution and separation of powers between the legislature & executive (both of which are pretty futuristic compared to our system of government despite being 200 years old), for our SI system of decimal units.
We have, they're mostly Trents and Darias I think. I would hope you don't aspire to Alli's figure of 14, a slight breeze and she'd blow away!
Thanks! With that I got a resultant of 28.242. Better, but still no match for most of the people here on the NG. (and Mindy, I think your height is the major determinant of why you get that high a figure...unless you were like me and divided your weight simply by 2 instead of 2.2)
LOL, no, I think I'll stick with the traditional methods of measurement, thanks. Waitamin -- the system of measurement we use is called the "British standard measurement system", isn't it? BSM? Hmmm. As for our constitution, no thanks, it's staying right here...you guys are just going to have to lobby *hard* for a radical change in government. And no anarchy either -- don't want my favorite nation to turn to rubble.
Actually, sometimes I *do* wish I had that kind of appetite, meaning none...I have a low iron count and am thus lethargic anyway, why not have the added bonus of being able to waltz into a clothing store and easily find sizes that fit me? Really...I've always been a big girl, I think one time I even weighed close to 200 lbs...but that's back down, even though I'm still a big girl...heck, there are the advantages to that, like being able to mow my very hilly and spacious lawns, help Dad move furniture around, bang a hammer like it's *supposed* to be done, help change a tire, etc.
The people at the hospital referred to it in the letter they sent me as "anorexia nervosa", btw. ;)
??!?!??!??!!! lol... you think i can find clothes that fit? HAVE I NOT COMPLAINED ENOUGH ABOUT THIS??? ;) sick, isn't it? clothing shops have in their windows, mannequins so thin that if they were real women they would be unable to menstruate, AND THEN THEY DON'T STOCK BELOW A BLOODY SIZE 8! lol. :)
Incidentally... does anyone know what the actual measurements are for UK sizes?
I wouldn't put too much stock in that BMI stuff anyway. It's a good indicator but it doesn't take a lot of things into account.
Case in point: I got a rating of like 30-something (I don't remember exactly, I'm 6' tall and in the 225-250lb range [I'm a former offensive lineman -- forgive me]). The BMI gave me a result that said I was marginally obese. I went for a physical, not too long ago, and my doctor told me that I am in increrdible health for someone my age (good pulse, low blood pressure, 20/20 vision, etc.) and told me that by my next physical (next july) that I should try to lose 5 to 10 lbs. which is hardly what doctors tell obese people. I could go to the pool or basketball court this weekend and lose that much weight.
While the BMI can point you in the right direction (I am a little overweight, just not obese), it shouldn't be taken as an absolute.
On Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:32:29 GMT, Mike Quinn wrote:
Agreed. But the BMI's value lies in the fact that everyone can easily calculate it. That's not possible for other indicators like fat-muscle-ratio, or fat-weight-ratio. The main idea behind the BMI is to get people to think about their weight and if necessary to see their doctors (what you did). Of course, the BMI is just a statistical thing. Having a BMI over 30 doesn't mean YOU are unhealthy or going to die soon, but it means that you belong to a group of people with a higher risk of developing several illnesses and dying soon. It's like being a smoker. It doesn't mean you are definitely going to die sooner than others or get lung cancer, but it means that you belong to a risk group and should think about changing your lifestyle. MSB
Deffinition of frustrating: Trying to explain to my parents why the metric system would be easier than our sensible system of inches, yards, rods, furlongs, etc.
On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:59:05 -0400, "Bob Ohler" wrote:
Why it's easier? Does anyone here have 12 fingers? Thought so.
1km=10hm=100dam=1000m=10 000dm=100 000cm=1 000 000mm 1mile=8fur=320rods=1760yd=5280ft=63360in=no smaller unit available
doesn't that say everything? And of course the same applies to weights. By the way, did you know that converting to the metric system doesn't mean giving up the pound? The pound is still alive and kicking in Germany. It has become a metric pound, however, meaning 1pound equals exactly 500g. Think about it. By converting to metric pounds you could get 10% more butter when you buy a pound of it. And you would all lose 10% of your body weight without going on a diet. If your mom is like mine, that last argument should do the trick :-) And if you like the yard, why not make it 10% longer so that it matches the meter and still call it "yard". No need to change the popular name. Doesn't it bug you Americans that your thingys are 10% shorter than our thingys? And a last argument: the grades. Students' results would improve on tests that to date ask "How many chains are in a furlong?"
MSB (I won't stop fighting till 1 day=100h, 1h=100min, 1min=100sec)
On Fri, 06 Aug 1999 13:18:39 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (Matthias Benkmann), and it said:
The way time measurement works is, one year equals one revolution of the earth around the sun. One day is one rotation of the earth on it's axis. These don't match up, simply because the two aren't directly related. No matter how you swing it, you get 365.25... days per year. But if we were to choose a more arbitrary system of measuring time (ie, a more metric system, which, IIRC, was tried for a while in Revolutionary France, and given up) it would be rendered completely meaningless.
Dividing the day into different units, for instance, dividing a day into a hundred centidays, and millidays, etc... would be equally meaningless. I don't think the metric system will apply to time until the day there are humans on several planets, or even several solar systems. Then, and only then, will an arbitrary system of time measurement have any meaning.
It's easier because that's the way THEY learned it and BY GOD that's the way their kids are gonna learn it. The same reason the automobile has had no real improvement in the last 50 years or so (or longer). People are opposed to change.
On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:58:07 -0400, "Bob Ohler" wrote:
You forget that we Europeans (continental, of course, I always mean continental) had to make that change, too. The SI system is rather young, actually. MSB
I wish I was anorexic. I went to the doctor last week and tipped the scales at 275 pounds. Last year I was only 188. WHAT'S WRONG WITH MEEEEE??? *sobbing frantically*
Jess "Morgendorfer" [email]
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Have your dietary or exercise habits changed dramatically in the last year? Or has your metablolism itself changed? That rapid a weight gain is very unusual (I'm over 300 lbs, but I got this way over decades), and you should really consult a doctor, probably a nutritionist or metabolic specialist (insist on a referral from your GP).
Wow, thanks for making me feel better about this whole thing. Everyone in here seems to have a really slender physique, or at least I thought until you and Jess both said your weights. I used to be 200 lbs (at 5' 7") but after cutting small corners in my diet and exercising (which really was the only thing I needed to do as I was getting *no* exercise) I got down to a little over 180. And I thought I was doing really well until I did my BMI and compared it to the rest of the NG.
Oh yeah, and I don't feel you're any less of a person because you weigh something like 300 lbs or so. In fact it's really cool because my real life sweetheart weighs about what you weigh, Jordan. I know it's a cliched statement, but it's true -- "what's inside is what counts". If it's not resulting from some severe medical condition, there's really nothing wrong with being "grossly overweight" IMO.
I think we can pretty well dismiss the BMI as worthless. It's just another variation on the height-weight chart and just as meaningless. I've read several complaints from competitive bodybuilders with ultra-low body-fat who nevertheless calculate out as obese according to the BMI. If it isn't valid for them, why should it be valid for anyone else? Personally, I think that percent body-fat is probably the best measure. Devices for making this measurement readily available.
For those of you who are trying to keep your weight under control it's my belief that weight training is the very best way to do it. You not only consume energy while working out but the resulting increase in muscle mass raises the overall metabolism which burns even more energy. And an increase in strength can only be a benefit in everyday activities. A real win-win. Dieting to maintain weight is a dead end because you can't maintain it without risking your health. Weight training is a wholesome activity that you can engage in for a lifetime. Works for women too! So check with the doctor to see if everything is in good working order then get to the gym and hit the weights.
Bob is right on on this one folks. I'd just like to add that weight training can be used for muscle definition instead of adding muscle mass. You can practice it at home too. Push-ups and pull-ups for upper body. Sit-ups so you can still see your belt buckle when looking down. Add on a real brisk walk and you pretty much have it. Like he said, check with your local sawbones before starting and if you are *just* starting, go slow.
Tho I should add that the floor show at your friendly, local, neighborhood gym is pretty hard to beat. ;)
For the record, I'm 5'2 and weigh 150 pounds. That's a BMI of 26. The slimmest I've ever been at this height has been 125, and then I was NO muscle, just bone and lard. I wasn't the healthiest creature. I am much, *much* healthier now, even though my weight looks pretty inflated. Muscle weighs more than fat, and you have to make tolerance for big bones too. We can't all be Quinns (and besides, how do you think Quinn would tolerate having to do anything physically strenuous? She'd collapse like the twig she is.).
On Thu, 05 Aug 99 03:38:09 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (Mindy), and it said:
Talk about rapid weight gain. I'm 5' 8 1/2", and have been since I was sixteen... maybe I've grown a quarter inch since then, but not much. I was 135 lbs most of the time I had that height, except after coming back from a job at a guest ranch, from which a came back with five extra pounds of muscle. I then promptly lost that weight through inactivity.
Last year, I weighed myself once more and discovered I'd gone back up to 140 lbs. Last _week_, I weighed myself, and found that I was 160 lbs! I was amazed... and unfortunately... that's not all in muscle, this time. ;)
On Thu, 05 Aug 99 03:38:09 GMT, [email] (Mindy) wrote:
Thin? Hell, her cowgirl outfit in "Speedtrapped" showed that she's not just thin, she's anorexic! Someone with that frail a physique should not be in a bar, intimidating a bunch of burly guys who could grind her fragile bones into powder at the drop of a 10-gallon hat. :-)
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I'm a Hispanic woman, meaning I could probably kick Erin's scrawny little ass. LOL
We don't look kindly at really thin, smallish waif types. Unless they show themselves to have a dynamic personality. And so far only one waif I've "run" across (this ng's Alli) has shown that dynamic personality.
Besides, most Hispanic women have naturally huge bones. Our bone structure is designed for us to survive...no wait, thrive...through adverse conditions. Of course it makes wearing a nice, dainty wristwatch a laughing impossibility, but oh well.
On the mountaintop, [email] (Martin J. Pollard) spake thusly:
Watch where you're dropping that hat, pardner. Wouldn't want to crush the brittle bones in our poor Quinn's attractive feet. Then people wouldn't be able to adequately grovel at them. :-P
-Mindy
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I've always been pretty skinny. For a year and a half I was going to the gym five days a week and force-feeding myself food and weight gain powders. But after a while I stopped because a) I got bored with it, and b) it wasn't really me. I'll admit I'm eating better now than I did when I was younger, but I've come to realise that I'll always be thin, and now I'm a lot happier.
On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 20:54:50 -0500, Diane Aguilar wrote:
As someone who currently weighs 325 -- and had to fight like mad for the past year to get down to that level -- I want to thank you from the bottom of my still-ample belly. :-)
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No prob darlin'. You're probably a lot healthier than a lot of lesser-sized people too, because you've fought to get your weight down to that. 'Tis quite commendable. :)
(ample belly...I loved placing my arm around my sweetie's ample belly last time I was with him...*sigh*...the amazing eyes...the beautiful...uh oh, I'm getting mushy here *g*....)
Yeah, metabolic changes can really suck. I went into law school at 150 and came out at 220. Thanks to my metabolism shutting down, eating junk for 3 years (sugar and caffeine were the only 2 things that kept me going) and sitting in front of a pile of books for hours on end can do hellish things to the ol' bod. There are lots of little things you can do, though, to kickstart things again-- just don't do what I did-- I got back down to 185 mostly through exercise, then pushed it, injured myself (repeatedly), and am now back at 200. *Sigh* I *hate* having to start running all over again-- but I pushed too hard, too fast, and paid the price-- and not just in running, either.
There are some good programs out there for gradual weight reduction-- just don't try to push it too hard-- your body will most surely punish you if you do. :/
A friend of mine has been doing the Atkins thing-- he's gone from 315 ro 260 in about 4 months. But the problem with Atkins is that you *need* medical supervision-- it can really mess up your body if you don't do it right, and there are also issues about its long-term effects on heart function over time. *Sigh* It's a minefield out there.
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On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:55:02 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (paperpusher), and it said:
Not to mention the fact that when your body suddenly has acces to less food for a long period of time (required for rapid weight loss), and then suddenly has access to a weight maintaining level of nutrition again, it goes into "famine" mode, and begins stocking up all that energy as fat, for the next "famine" that resulted in the initial weight loss.
On 04 Aug 1999 07:04:56 GMT, [email] (JMStargazr) wrote:
<MSB gives JMStargazr comforting hug>
Einstein says: E=m*c*c. ==> mass is equivalent to energy ==> No energy surplus, no mass surplus ==> weight gaining means consuming more energy than you spend ==> solution: consume less energy (eat less) and/or spend more energy (do sports)
If you opt for less energy consumption: 1.)Find out why you are consuming too much energy: There are several possible causes. The 2 most common are a) eating crap (e.g. too much meat) b) eating disorder
To b): Eating disorders come in different flavors and colors. Take me for example, I am what I call a stress-eater. Whenever I am under stress (especially emotional) I eat. Eating relieves the stress ==> endorphines ==> body memorizes: "Eating good! Relieves stress" ==> even more eating ==> overweight ==> emotional stress ==> eating relieves stress ==>....
The only way to break this vicious circle is rigid self-control. Eating is an addiction like smoking or drinking. The easiest way to get over it is to find a substitute. A good substitute for eating is drinking (orange juice is good) since it takes up time (use a straw, do it slowly) thus distracting your thoughts and it fills the stomach. As a substitute I use cocoa because a) milk is healthy b) it's yummy c) the sugar keeps me going (you need a bit of energy to keep your muscles working, not too much though or it'll be transformed into fat)
A few other remarks: 1) Weight loss through water loss is EVIL!!!! Yes, you can get a lot slimmer very fast by drinking less, because your body is 3/4 water but it is extremely unhealthy. Many weight loss pills and super-quick-diets work through water-loss. Ignore them. 2) The body starts using up its fat reserves very late. The 1st thing your body does when it is out of energy is to consume muscle tissue. Ugly but true. Doing sports is a good idea to work against this. 3) Weight losing is time consuming and sometimes, even though you haven't changed your diet, the process stops or even reverses. It took me (without doing any sports) 2 months to lose 4 pounds. Never give up. Always think of Einstein. If you don't consume enough energy, sooner or later your body will have to attack its fat reservoirs. 4)No alcohol! 1 glass of wine per day is enough to spoil any diet because it reduces the body's willingness to attack its fat reserves. 5) If you have difficulty summoning the strength to do it, get other people involved. Put your current weight into the signature of every Usenet message you write. You'll be amazed at how much pressure that puts on you, having everybody see your lack of self-control. 6) Conscious buying can be the key. If I have chocolate, ice cream etc. in the house it is almost impossible for me to resist. It takes much less strength to resist them in the supermarket. If you don't buy it, you can't eat it.
I hope you're kidding, because laxitives ARE addictive. And if you abuse them you will seriously screw up your abillity to poop. Kids, JUST SAY NO to laxatives.
If you really wished you were anorexic, you would be anorexic. ;) I almost wish i was fat sometimes... then i could diet without anyone thinking anything of it.
-Just to 'weigh in' (it's a pun!) on the subject. I was real thin for a long time because I was growing a couple of inches a year for several years. Unfortuneatly I also ate like a horse and when I stopped growing up I started growing out. The term "spare tire" is the politest term I've heard. I tried to lose weight for a while, (no medical supervision because I have no health care!) but then I decided (Jake mode)HEY!(/Jake mode) I don't mind being fat! If it bothers other people, that's their problem. Of course I've tried to put that over on my wife (who weighted 98 lbs before the pregnancy and weights about 110 now) but she is still pretty obsessed with losing weight. I guess it's easier for men to be fat than women.
100 degrees F is too hot for you to live in? Really? Remind me not to ask you to move in with me as the *average* daily July high here in San Antonio is 99 degrees F...that's not factoring in the humidity, which tends to make the heat index more like 105 - 110. I've lived through 108 degrees of straight temperature, minus the humidity. Heck, Phoenix in July was darn *pleasant* for me when I stayed there for a little bit. LOL.
'Round here in Wisconsin, it's been hovering around 100 for the past few weeks. The death toll from heat exhaustion, especially in Chicago, is outrageous. And then we get the nice 2 days of autumn, after which we delve into the evil, subzero (fahrenheit) Wisconsin winter.
I hold to my position: the upper Midwest was *not* meant for human habitation.
-Mindy January: "God *damn* it's cold in here!" July: "God *damn* it's hot in here!"
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I agree. Although the thunderstorms here are kinda wussy. I remember the big thunderstorm last October that set the old folks' home in Charbonneau ablaze. Huh, huh...that was cool. We need more of those. (Don't worry, nobody was hurt...it just set the roof on fire)
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Whoa... hehehhheh, FIRE! FIIIIRE!!! hehhehhehehheh.... (I'm suddenly reminded of the B&B kite flying in the lightning episode. Heh heh heh.)
I haven't seen a good thunderstorm in at least three years. They just didn't happen where I was in California. And this storm didn't even hit Portland at all! What I really miss is the one storm I saw whilst I was driving through New Mexico... giant forks of lightning streaking across half the sky... DAMN, that was cool. Especially since it was right in front of our car. Some distance away, of course, but directly in front nonetheless. :-D
On Fri, 06 Aug 1999 13:50:29 -0700, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from "Jessica L." , and it said:
One thing the midwest does have (IIRC, I was eight years old, or close to it, last time I was there) is thunderstorms. I remember hearing the thunder roll in nearly every night (probably a memory exaggeration resulting from my age) and clearing up nearly every morning. And when I was in Colorado (at 16), there was _sheet lightning_. I'd never seen it before, I've never seen it since, because we don't get it here in the San Joaquin Valley. Now, all I need to see is ball lightning! That has _got_ to be cool. Do any of you see it on a regular basis?
On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:01:42 -0500, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from Diane Aguilar , and it said:
Heh heh, you _do_ have air conditioning, do you not? And, of corse, you noticed that I added the comment that I'm _not_ sane? Everybody around me groans when the thermometer reaches 100 degrees... everybody except me, that is. Hence, the wonderful invention of air conditioning.
Hottest day I've ever suffered was in a Queensland summer where it was 47.5 degrees and about 85 percent humidity. Coming straight out of an air-conditioned theatre felt like being hit by a Mack truck.
I think that what it is, is that people like to use values of between 1 and 10 for things, as they're easy to work with and remember. A lot of Imperial units (which is what we call the old system in Britain) are indeed of handy sizes, eg. people's height in feet is always single digits, weight in stones is usually somewhere around 10, say 6 - 20 anyhow (people's weight in pounds is meaningless to me, I have to divide it by 14 to see what it is in stones).
However metric units are also handy sizes for certain jobs - sizes of rooms come out in nice simple figures of adequate accuracy using square metres, whilst precise measurements are better in millimetres than inches or the various competing fractional units of inches. It's easy to think of things like pieces of paper in inches, eg. A4 is roughly 8x12", but OTOH when you're doing precise layouts millimetres come into their own again. Most adults' heights are between 1.5 and 2 metres (Daria being just over 1.5), though this is too crude to be of much use, and centimetres give fiddly large values like 170cm, so most people in the UK still use feet and inches for heights I think.
I've never been comfortable with the Fahrenheit system, it just doesn't make any sense to me. I think the freezing point of water is an excellent place to put zero, since water has a big impact on us, and there are many obvious changes when the temperature goes below zero, not just the obvious freezing of puddles of water etc but even the air feels different, you can sense it when the air temperature falls below zero, the cold takes on an extra bite. Having this as 32F is pretty awkward I think. As for higher temperatures, 20C is room temperature, 50C is hot water, 100C is boiling, I find it all very intuitive.
As for general weights of things, ounces, pounds, grams, kilograms don't make much difference to me. But for fluid measurement I think it's very handy that 1 litre of water = 1 kilogram, and for cubic measures, that 1000 litres = 1 cubic metre. It's quite common I think to measure volumes in litres, eg. I know many containers including everything from dustbins to rucsacs are sold that way, and you can easily estimate the volume of an object in litres by estimating its dimensions in tenths of a metre (decimetres), which is a sufficiently crude measure that it's pretty easy to do, eg. a box that is about 50x20x30 cm in size, you just think "5x2x3=30 litres".
Then of course there are the wonders of international paper sizes, the fabled A-series, which utilises the miraculous properties of the square root of 2 ....
Don't like numbers over 100? Then use decimeters :-) 170cm=17dm. BTW, no one says he's "one-hundred and seventy centimeters" tall, he says he's "one seventy". MSB
(In best whiny Jake voice:) But I *like* saying I'm 6'1"-- it sounds so much better than "185."
I understand the utility of the SI, but I've always known how it feels to walk a mile in my shoes (or anyone else's), but I've never had a good feel for how it feels to walk a kilometer. And in American Football, I'd always have a problem with "the ball is spotted at the 38-meter line." It just isn't as aesthetically pleasing.
off for a wee dram, rich.
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Although decimetres are handy for conversion into litres in cubic measure, I've never known anyone apart from me use them. In fact under the SI system centimetres are also deprecated, you're supposed to use powers of 10^3, ie. millimetres, metres, or kilometres, also milligrams, grams, kilograms, tonnes, etc. although in practice centimetres refuse to go away because of their handy size.
On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:44:54 GMT, [email] (Tarvok) wrote:
I don't know if it's true, but I've heard that Fahrenheit has based his system on the lowest and highest temperature ever encountered in his home town. Very stupid from a physicist's point of view, but very useful for the neighbours it was invented for. MSB
On Fri, 06 Aug 1999 13:18:46 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (Matthias Benkmann), and it said:
Actually, IIRC, 0 degrees was the lowest freezing point for any liquid he could find, some odd concoction of something or other. I suppose he didn't realize that, if you got it cold enough, the very air around him would freeze. ;)
Some scientists froze helium to a couple of degrees above absolute zero and then shone a lazer through it. the light was slowed from the speed of light to 33 MPH. --- ~Po CROWDSURFERS WILL BE EJECTED FROM THE BUILDING. It can be harmful, and most of all disrespectful to climb on other people's heads. Crowdsurfing should only be done naked and in the privacy of your own home.
I've not needed a tape measure for years; I've not grown an inch since the sixth grade (about 11 years old for you overseas people). I know I'm 5'2. Everyone else knows I'm 5'2. It's not really an issue. :)
-Mindy
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On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 01:05:01 +0100, "endless, nameless" wrote:
It frees the respiratory system. I can breathe much easier afterwards. And isn't raki just the Turkish name for Ouzo?
I just wondered. Does everybody here have an idea of what I'm talking about? I don't know about the popularity of Swiss specialties in the US. Does anybody care anyway?
Beer with 16 (but at least here in Bavaria people don't take it that seriously), everything else with 18. But I was talking about eating, not drinking. For me there's a huge difference. After all, you'll hardly get drunk by eating (unless you're a really strong eater).
it might be, but not to my knowledge. :) raki is i think made out of the leftovers from making ouzo or something... i forget. when you dilute it with water, ouzo goes white... if you put water in raki, it turns all weird... like the patterns frost makes on a window; that's the only way i can describe it. of course the foul liquid is impossible to drink diluted or otherwise, heh.
i know what that is... never tried it though.
which i am not. ;) i think in the uk you are allowed beer and stuff like that with meals at 16, incidentally. the problem with me having alcohol to drink with meals is that i drink it like i drink water... ie in larger quantities than is expected in that circumstance. ;) i had half a bottle of wine with my lunch at my grandparents' house last sunday, which was unnecessary really... thankfully, they found it amusing rather than "disgraceful". :)
On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:08:46 +0100, "endless, nameless" wrote:
You really miss something. Believe me. It's great! MSB
Everyone seems to misunderstand me. I don't mean alcohol with meals, I mean alcohol IN meals. Putting alcohol in the food, not in a glass. E.g. making a sauce that contains alcohol. Or fondue au fromage, a mixture between wine and molten cheese. Are kids in the US allowed to eat these kinds of food? MSB
There's all sorts of meats and various dishes that require white or red wine sauces. It's perfectly legal and OK here for kids to eat these because, AFAIK, the inebriating properties of alcohol are neutralized during cooking. Can anyone back me up on this?
Yes, Jess, you are correct. The alochol is boiled away when cooking with wines, as the boiling point of alochol is far lower than that of water. Thus, no alochol is left in the dish when cooked. The frugal gourmet man used to cook with wine all the time and he was always reminding people that the alochol boils away, and it is just fine to serve the cooked dishes to your children. :-) (Hi Jess!)
I don't know about "neutralized" but I would think that a lot of the alcohol would be boiled right off. And in any case, not all that much alcohol is actually put on the food to begin with ... I'd be surprised to see anyone get drunk on it even if it wasn't.
On Fri, 06 Aug 1999 13:53:20 -0700, "Jessica L." wrote:
I've heard the same thing, particularly regarding sauces. The alcohol evaporates during the cooking/boiling process, leaving the flavor of the wine behind. Even if any alcohol remained, I figure you'd have to eat about ten pots of the sauce before it even begins to have any effect on you. :-)
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You know what's even better? Make a fondue out of a bar of Toblerone. Now *that's* delicious. Dunk some strawberries in it... mmm
Well, since most of the alcohol boils off at 70C, you can cook with all sorts of alcohol, and the kiddies would never notice. Personally, I like roast in a red wine sauce, or sometimes cooked in beer, too. (And, yes, I had all sorts of food made with alcohol when I was little, and never noticed it-- then again, my mom is German, and not as stuffy about those sorts of things.)
rich.
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On Fri, 06 Aug 1999 20:02:46 GMT, [email] (paperpusher) wrote:
Does that really work? I've not tried Toblerone but some other ordinary (non-Swiss) chocolate. Melting it totally screwed up the taste. However there is a way to make a mousse au chocolat out of nothing but ordinary chocolate, gelatine, water and extensive mixing. How do you clean up the pot afterwards? I think I remember that being a very hard thing to do. MSB
Well, the way my friend makes it, it works. I guess I can get the recipe from her if you need it. What tastes even better are little frozen cheesecakes, dunked in the toblerone. Now THAT's good eatin'! As for cleanup, I have no idea-- it was her fondue pot. ;-)
On 02 Aug 1999 19:34:54 GMT, [email] (JMStargazr) wrote:
I shouldn't have mentioned the cooking and sewing. Now every girl here wants to exploit me ;-) Anyway, I've compressed my list of expectations to 3 questions. A 'yes' to all 3 and you're Mrs Right for me (hooray, a rhyme, I like rhymes). MSB
Are you 100% convinced you are very intelligent?
Do you think going out once every few weeks is enough?
Do your hobbies include creativity (e.g. painting, writing, music)?
Good idea, ok here's my wish list for a female: Are you 1) over intelligent 2) fabulously beautiful 3) weird
I'll settle for two and a half out of 3. (I probably have a fairly weird idea of what is beautiful though... a reasonable match to any of the females on my website would do (though Germaine Greer's probably a bit on the old side for me).) Oh, no Sandi lookalikes though.
Matthias: (1.) When I'm completely confident of myself I consider myself 100% intelligent. (2.) I feel the need to go out every day, but only to bookstores, music shops, and the like. I never go to parties unless they celebrate some family member's birthday, and even then I feel most of the time like going home to my music and the Internet. (3.) I've not been really successful with creative things, but I'm an OK oil painter, do pretty good with singing, and write fine enough.
Shez: (1.) Once again, when I'm completely confident of myself I can say "yes" to that. Otherwise...hello "I'm stupid". (2.) I don't know. My ex-friend once said I looked like Juliette Lewis. Add glasses to the mixture and you get what I look like most of the time. (3.) You tell me if I'm weird or not. I guess I am, kinda. I'm the only person I know who'd engage a counter worker at a record shop in a conversation about music and other things for an hour, like I did today when I *had* to see if they had by any chance more Japan (no, but they did have an REM album I'd been wanting...LOL, and I went to another record shop/bookstore and walked out with a New Wave compilation tape -- "Living in Oblivion Vol 1" -- in fact I'm listening to it right now on my Walkman)...*anyways*....
On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 20:44:13 -0500, Diane Aguilar wrote:
You call that weird? Some years ago, 2 people from this "Witnesses of Jehova" sect came to my door and I talked to them until THEY wanted to leave. They never came again. MSB
My, my. We're getting quite Zen-like here, aren't we. Tho I do believe you have put the raisins in the oatmeal re:the above.
IMHO it takes more than love, trust, etc to build a long term commitment with another person, it also takes a lot of work. Lord knows that there have been times when I felt like throwing all her clothes out into the street. And I know for a fact that there are times when she has contemplated introducing me to the business end of a Louisville Slugger while I was sleeping. Put the variable of children into the equation and the oscillations in your lifeline get even more extreme. You've got to be able to work together like sane, rational adults to smooth out the bumps along the relationship road. If you are not willing to get your hands dirty, your chances of success in the long-term game are not very high.
Thank you. The vow of marriage that I took with my wife is very important to me, it's about as religious as I get. But I've really blown the vow I took to never post anything serious to this newsgroup. ;)
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:09:26 -0500, Diane Aguilar wrote:
My grandparents were married for over 60+ years. They loved each other deeply, shared everything, were in perfect harmony. Then grandpa died and grandma totally lost it. Started writing letters to her dead mother and sister. Praise the Lord for creating love. MSB
p.s.: I'm really warming up to this displaying of my cynical side. It's so refreshing not to bite my tongue all the time. I wonder if that abortion discussion's still going. I almost feel like joining in.
That's sad, and it's obvious that she truly loved him. Consider this though ... they managed to both survive, and keep their love alive .. through 60+ years which MUST have included 1933-48 ... the WORST 15 years in the history of Germany since the Thirty Years' War, including Nazi rule, World War II, and postwar starvation.
Your grandfather would have been personally at risk of being drafted and sent off to die on the Eastern Front. Both of your grandparents are fortunate that they didn't starve to death, get killed in an Allied bombing raid, executed by overzealous Gestapo or Waffen-SS, murdered by the Russians, accidentally shot by a jumpy Western Allied soldier, or die in any of the many other ways perfectly nice European people were dying in during that horrible decade and a half. Not only that, but they managed to keep loving each other.
So they had over 60 years of happiness, which included children and grandchildren. I feel bad for your grandmother, but she's had mostly a good life. And I hope she eventually recovers her sanity and enjoys the remainder of her life.
Who knows ... maybe there is an afterlife and she'll be with her beloved again someday?
I think a certain amount of this is the use of modern technology to determine the child's sex and abort female babies. In China, there were restrictions on the number of children families were permitted. Because the culture prizes males more than females (Due to a long set of traditions and values), families chose to have male children and either kill female children at birth (an illegal practice under Chinese law but may be going on anyway) or abort them if they had information prior to birth. I think the estimates are for something like 3 men for every 2 women in China in the next 30 years. Given 1/5 of the world population lives in China, this alone could account for the disparity.
I'm not casting judgement about medical technology or abortion here. I'm just repeating information I read a feature in the Economist a few months ago about this (I think it was in December or January if you're interested), so I have no claims to be an expert...
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:22:46 GMT, [email] (larrylar) wrote:
Good analysis, but not really to the point of the question. It was subtle jab at someone who said "I believe there is someone for everyone", or something to that effect.
Kyle He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
Sorry about that...Blame my unreliable newsfeed, which fed me messages somewhat slowly and out of order (I've switched around a bunch and think I have one that's working now)
Back to topic (<whine>But this is USENet!</whine>) It seems like everyone is always looking for that "perfect someone." Some lucky people do find that perfect someone, and I'm very happy for them; however I think the vast majority spend their lives searching for something that few can ever hope to find. This is nothing short of tragic.
On Sat, 31 Jul 1999 01:10:37 +0100, "endless, nameless" wrote:
Alli, you've been watching too much "Melrose Place." Believe it or not, *MOST* of us don't go around screwing other people behind each others' backs. Trust and commitment *DOES* exist, and I firmly believe it's in the overwhelming majority.
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there is no way to be certain that your loved one isn't fucking around, though. and my paranoid nature refuses to allow me to trust anyone totally. but i am surprisingly non-jealous of my boyfriend, and would forgive him anyway. also i don't think he's good enough with women to get anyone else into bed. ;)
True, but there's no reason for him to believe that she is, so the assumption would be that she isn't. The alternative would be paranoia to the degree that would cripple any love affair.
You should trust people *reasonably*, though.
Oh, c'mon Alli, you don't think he'd cheat on you either. You're just trying to find an excuse to trust him :)
Heh, does he read these posts?
(and now I see why you're signing yourself a SEMI-virgin).
probably. my paranoia has reached ridiculous levels at times though, hahaha.
i don't think he would cheat on me, no. if he had seemed like someone who might cheat, i doubt anything would have happened between us. i knew him pretty well before we got together; we spent 6 months exchanging looooooong e-mails. :)
yep. :) he's used to me putting him down though. i shouldn't, i know. he's just such an easy target. ;P
lol... an explanation would probably be more than anyone here wants to know! i am not sure exactly where the line is drawn between "virgin" and "non-virgin", heh. ;)
i was trying to think of some vaguely amusing reply to this, but my brain is too fuzzy right now (due to flu and diuretics-induced dehydration <g>) so i'll just say: lol. :)
I don't know where the boundaries lie but I suspect that you're going to cross them soon if you haven't already. Sounds to me like you're very much in love, and I hope it works out very well. You're a nice kid and you deserve to be happy :)
On Sat, 31 Jul 1999 17:47:48 +0100, "endless, nameless" wrote:
You've just reminded me of that day when my whole class was in the library. I don't know how the topic came up but some girl mentioned that masturbating still leaves you a virgin. I promptly got out that encyclopedia and gave her that lecture on the hymen and that it could be surgically restored (an operation I've heard is popular in Japan) if she cared for it. You should have seen that contempt for me in her eyes. A year later, when we had to choose courses for 12th and 13th grade, and I mentioned that I'd be taking biology, she cried out "No, please don't." because she didn't want to be in the same course as I (I ended up taking physics.). She absolutely hated me for being such a smartass. I don't need to mention that this girl was the shallowest I ever met. She got into my class because she had to repeat 11th grade, smoked like a chimney (and smelled like it, I knew she'd entered the room without turning 'round), always put on too much make-up (actually she's the only girl I remember wearing make-up to class). Of course she didn't make it and left school. Wonder what she's doing now (or who <g>)? MSB
p.s.:In case you haven't noticed, yet. I'm taking it a bit easier on my self-censoring. Usually this message would get killed during re-read, with 50% of the messages I write. It's just that I've noticed I'm constantly saying that I'm like Daria, even stated that I feel like a (warped and twisted) caricature of her, but that I never actually posted anything that gives a hint of that mean-spiritedness that is inside of me.
I wasn't talking about virginity in terms of *hymens*, I meant in terms of having sexual intercourse. I somehow suspect that Alli wasn't talking about hymens either.
This girl was a virgin? Wow, guess you really CAN'T go by stereotypes :D
well if virginity was defined by the presence of the hymen, you could lose your virginity by using tampons, or doing sports like horse-riding and gymnastics. note that i said "could" there: i have done all of those things, and they didn't break my hymen. ;)
i was very surprised to discover a few weeks ago that a girl i know, who is extremely attractive and has been out with more guys than most girls can hope for, didn't lose her virginity until she was 15. so no, i guess you can't go by stereotypes. ;)
no, not unusual, but certainly surprising for someone of her social status (or something)... ie someone who is the stereotypical slut, apart from the *having sex*.
presumably the girls knew what girls were, yes? ;)
Oh damn...does this mean I have to stop shaving my legs, tell the government they forgot me in the draft, start lifting the toilet seat, consider myself a cross dresser when I wear my skirts or dresses, start spitting, and *really* get into football?
Hey, I object if I'm nude. (You never said I was wearing anything except the collar.) It sucks to bike nude... I only wanna do this if I get to wear full leather too... with a parrot on my shoulder, also in full leather.
-She who looks evil in her trench coat and combat boots, and is going to the mall in them later to frighten the salespeople at the Gap.
errrr... doesn't it? i thought there had to be (at least <g>) two people involved for virginity to be lost.
hymens are a nuisance. i don't know why anyone would want to restore one, other than to pretend to be a virgin/become a "born-again" virgin. even so, imo it's not worth the bother lol. but i have never been to japan and have no idea what the social view on virginity is there.
ahh, now i wear too much make-up, and i could probably sympathise entirely with her on that one. imo, a lot of girls only wear make-up because they don't have the confidence in their appearance to go around without make-up. and imo you can't really blame people for not having that confidence in today's society.
she who, on an irrelevant note, apparently has tonsilitis,
On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:18:50 +0100, "endless, nameless" wrote:
On this issue I want to mention that I've seen a film once with some uncivilized people from a small island. There was a scene of a female elder using her finger to test if the hymen's still intact during a ceremony held before marriage. A woman would be expelled if she failed this test.
I may be an exception but I think make-up makes girls ugly (especially putting strangely-colored stuff on the eyelids). And I think it also makes your skin age faster. It's a vicious circle. The more you use it, the more you need it. MSB
Ewww...I know I like the whole idea of a truly virginal bride and all, but this procedure seems to me to be too, um, evasive. Truly primitive.
You may just like me then as I rarely wear makeup; OK, so I'm wearing more than ever before, but it's almost always just some compact foundation/powder combination. And my skin is more than oily enough to handle the powder content. LOL...I thought I'd be well over the whole oil issue by now...*g*
oh great, i have a lifetime of oily skin to look forward to as well... lol. :) "it'll probably have cleared up by the time you're about 16".. yeah, right. ;)
hahaha... i should show you a photo of myself with and without make-up lol... you can decide. ;)
imo it depends how much and how well applied... and whether the colours suit the person and stuff. overdoing it never looks good.... "never wear too much make-up... wear enough so it looks like you don't need much" (or whatever).. lol.
i'm told that's not true. i don't know how true what i was told is, but never mind. ;)
So does this mean you don't want to stick around for my slide show, featuring pictures of my polycystic ovaries? You can see them looking all black and filled with cysts and stuff.
LOL, I think I might've said bye bye to a few appetites around here....
The most horrific images I ever saw occured during basic training. Army VD (read STD today) films. Guys actually retched. Turned me so far off that I didn't even want to touch myself out of fear of picking something up. These films would probably make Kyle's head explode. ;)
On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:55:05 -0500, Diane Aguilar wrote:
I am just contemplating if that would be worse than the open-brain surgery they made us watch in biology class. Oh and that anti-smoking horror piece, yuck, you have just revived my worst memories of biology class. MSB
once you've seen a cisarean birth, seen them cut open your wife and yank out your son, this stuff stops bugging you. (Oh yes, and his head was very round and smooth!)
No I DON'T have slides of it! and IF I did you couldn't see them!
On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:55:05 -0500, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from Diane Aguilar , and it said:
That seems to be another symptom of polyscystic ovaries. A blatent willingness to go into graphic detal in order to gross out the males at the table. One time, I was having dinner with some friends, and those two female friends happened to mention that they both have it. Zoltan and I expressed only the smallest distatste for having such a discussion right before eating, and they promptly went into a detailed, and graphic, discussion of the condition. Zoltan and I then started a very loud conversation about how, if we talk loud enough, and constantly enough, we won't have to hear that. ;)
Crap...my friend Rosie's got issues with Wendy's, Dagny's got issues with Burger King, I've got issues with McDonald's...where do you expect me to buy my fast food burgers??? Anyone have issues with Sonic or Whataburger????
On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 07:03:09 GMT, [email] (paperpusher) wrote:
Never heard of Whataburger, but I used to *love* JITB (sadly, there are no more of them in Michigan). And Hardee's USED to be really excellent, a LONG time ago, back when they were still doing the McDonald's "cute cartoon character" thing and their mascot looked like a Yosemite Sam ripoff.
Wow, this takes me back. Anyone remember Red Barn? Or Burger Chef? At the Chef, you could opt to get your burger bare, take it to their fixins' bar, and make it any way you like.
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Don't remember those, here in central, N.Y. we have a place called Zebb's, just like that, you get a 1/2 pound burger plain and go to the fixin's bar, tell you what, it's the best burger around here, may be one of the prime reasons I have "love handles", which no one ever loves, so why are they called that, BTW?
No, but we've got a great burger joint called "Fat Daddy's" that is so good that it drove Fuddruckers out of Raleigh. (They recently moved back to Durham, but FD's is a better Fudds than Fudds.) The meat is fresh, the buns are homemade.... gggggllllaaaaaghhhh.
The other great burger place in Raleigh is Char-Grill-- they cook the burgers over a real charcoal grill. Honest. Damn fine burgers there, too-- it's more of a carry-out place, though-- you walk up to a window, write down your order, and eat it outside. With those kinds of burger places, any national chain pales in comparison. *Sigh* Now I'm hungry.
Off-topic yet again, rich.
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I can agree it's significant. You know, like Hitler's significant....
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endless, nameless wrote in message news:[email]...
Where do you get the "we" stuff? I thought you were Greek. <G>
Of course everyone should remain aware of the fact that the newly-formed United States of America made a deliberate effort to complete its separation from England after the war by intentionally altering the language. If American English and British English are different, it's by design. They changed the spellings of numerous words and of course one of the first things to go was the long-'S'. The languages have been drifting apart ever since.
On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:34:32 +0100, "endless, nameless" wrote:
Only half of it! Never forget that. The other half of the English language is of French origin, imported by the Normands. This the reason why English is the language with the largest vocabulary on earth (2nd place: German) MSB
It's a baby carriage, one of those push ones that you roll your baby around in while you're walking down the street. I found that one out when I was reading the 1983 Duran Duran "Their Story" biography (paraphrase: "One of the first memories I have is as a baby in my pram with the wheels going shakey shakey on the pavement" -- Simon LeBon), which I picked up in 1994.
That's OK, darlin', it's not embarrasing, in fact sometimes I have to remind myself of what "boot" and "lorry" are, especially if my brain's not working properly that day (which seems to be a lot).
errr what do you americans call them? they are those things you push babies around in... like buggies. i am not sure of the difference between prams and buggies... i'm not a very baby-competant person... oh well. :)
On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 04:37:27 +0100, "endless, nameless" wrote:
Nothing compared to the fact that American cars have trunks. Must have something to do with the American craze for peanut butter. I tried it once, YUCK! MSB
p.s.: Just wondering. Is this elephant joke too subtle?
OK, here's the deal on trunks...elephants use their trunks as a place of storage to keep whatever they're holding, like peanuts or a tree branch. So...cars also use their trunks as a place of storage to keep whatever they're holding. The logic may not be fully there (hey, I just woke up), but it does make a little sense, no?
As far as peanut butter...mmmm, I love peanut butter. It reminds me of childhood and taking peanut butter and jelly sandwiches to school for lunch. Or how about peanut butter and honey, or peanut butter, honey, and banana? And don't forget about peanut butter cookies, or peanut butter with apple slices, or peanut butter atop a celery stalk....
On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 04:27:02 -0500, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from Diane Aguilar , and it said:
Actually, wasn't the originial usage of the trunk in reference to a large box used to store stuff, and the main body of a tree? These both were applied to the storage area of a car and the large nose of an elephant, respectively.
Matthias Benkmann wrote in message news:[email]...
mate."
Nope! Got it instantly.
However:
I suspect that the cargo compartment in American cars is called a "trunk" instead of "boot" like the Brits say because in the earliest cars that was pretty much what it was--a trunk, strapped on. I can't imagine where the name "boot" comes from but I notice that the storage compartment of an American convertible where the folded canvas top is stored is called a boot.
There's peanut butter and then there's peanut butter. The stuff they advertise heavily on television is actually little more than shortening (hydrogenated vegetable oil), sugar (Hitler ate sugar!), emulsifiers to keep the whole mess together, and enough peanuts to make it taste sort of like peanuts. REAL peanut butter consists of: peanuts. The difference is quite noticeable, although without any additives the peanut oil and the peanuts tend to separate and you may have to re-mix them. Smucker's markets a natural peanut butter (With a name like Smucker's, it has to be good) or you can make your own with a food processor. But as Adam Smith points out, why make your own when you can just buy it?
Anyone want to talk about homemade bread to spread the peanut butter on? "You can tell when bread isn't hand-kneaded." I prefer my peanut butter on crackers--square crackers. "These crackers aren't square."
On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 00:58:53 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (Matthias Benkmann), and it said:
Finally letting yourself... wait a minuite... three... letter... name...
On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 18:02:15 GMT, [email] (Tarvok) wrote:
These are the kinds of remarks (there are worse) that I usually delete before finally clicking on "Post Usenet and Email messages". And what's that "wait a minuite... three... letter...name..." supposed to mean. I don't quite get that. After all, my full name is always in my email address. MSB
Doesn't really bother me much. My brain chemistry is just toxic enough that I don't have a problem if someone's soul-mate is a member of their opposite gender or a naughahyde[1] sofa. As long as no one is harmed and they don't scare the aliens I'm pretty much ok with it. Even more so if they let me watch.
I appreciate your trying to cheer me up but it won't work. That short emotional fit I was having (guess you noticed the poem) has passed. It's that "Write where it hurts" part of my Daria-personality that seems to resurface every 4 years. Okay, with a total poem count of 2 this one was not as bad as those of '91 and '95. Anyway, I'm back to my all-depressed and all-pessimistic Daria state again like in "See Jane Run" only that talking with myself has always been a normal thing for me (maybe because I never had that Jane-friend). Well, the point is, that I'm more convinced than ever before that my personality is totally f...messed up. When I look inside of me I think that Daria isn't a caricature of me but that I am a caricature of Daria and she is just one happy teenage girl, all flowers and sunshine. I just wish I was living in a cartoon world and could just tell everyone what I really think. Maybe I should get a pseudonym and do that on Usenet. You don't know how my fingers were itching when I saw that abortion debate in this group. That is why I am looking (in vain) for a girl like Daria. I need someone who can tolerate or even appreciate complete direct and open honesty. But I must admit that I've not completely given up, yet. If I had I wouldn't be constantly talking about myself in this group in hope of finding someone who sympathizes. I am sorry if I'm annoying anyone but what should I do, place an ad like: "You hate people? They're all shallow? And people who place contact ads are the shallowest? Contact me!" MSB
Um ... Daria IS happy most of the time, now that she has Jane. (She wasn't happy during "See Jane Run" cause she was afraid she was losing Jane).
Why can't you tell people what you think?
You're welcome to express your opinions. Just do so politely, and don't be dismayed when some people disagree with you. That's always going to happen, no position will enjoy 100% support.
There are girls out there who are like her, in terms of possessing similar virtues. (At least one of them posts on this board, but she's taken).
Remember, though, there is a difference between polite honesty and impolite offensiveness. It can be subtle, but it is real (took me many years to learn the difference).
Daria's usually polite, but she sometimes acts merely offensive. She's still young, and hasn't learned all the tricks of the trade. By the time she's in her early 20's, she'll have COMPLETE control over her actions to the point where she'll only offend people she WANTS to attack :)
This group is indeed a good way to find friends. I've found a few friends here myself.
On 01 Aug 1999 16:39:59 GMT, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:
1.) I'm currently working on an essay, "the dilemma of the cynic" that will address this point to some degree. Should be finished in a few days. 2.) It's also a problem of HOW I think it. As a cynic (see 1.) my style of expression is sarcasm. People accept that and sometimes even appreciate that, when the dosage is low and the topic isn't really serious. But when the issue being discussed is a sensitive one (such as abortion, death-penalty,..) people expect you to be dead serious. The problem with this is that these issues are usually controversial and have no final answers. This creates a feeling of helplessness and bitterness inside of me. Combined with the trouble I have finding my own position on these issues, these feelings transform into some very nasty, extremely inappropriate jokes.
Exactly that's the point. See 2.) above.
Yes, that's what I'm talking about. I need someone who tolerates it when I'm NOT being polite because I don't feel like it. Politeness means lying about your real feelings and thoughts. In other words Polite = Fake
I think she has that control already. She _wants_ to be offensive. I'd be acting that way, too, if I knew that next week, everything would be forgotten.
Hm... I don't ordinarily date cartoons, so it's a tough question to answer. I'd have to say it'd either be Jaria or Dane-- some sort of a mix of the two-- although if I was forced to choose, I guess I'd choose Daria-- I've already dated a couple of Janes. They're fun, but exhausting sometimes. ;-) I'd rather date someone who doesn't mind staying home and reading a book every now and then-- it's a nice change of pace. (And very easy on the ol' credit card.)
I'm always on the lookout for Andreas. Like me, she's always in the background, yet noticable in a crowd. Plus there's the goth factor. I love goths (Especially ones that hate Marilyn Manson).
On Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:38:54 -0400, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from "The Outsider" , and it said:
I'd probably be attracted to Daria, but things would never mesh between us. Jane might be fun, but she'd probably kick my ass. They'd both probably regard me as another Upchuck, though a less straighforwardly lewd one.
I'd probably end up spending my days trying to egg Sandi on... ;)
I dunno...I mean, Trent is a really sweet and nice guy and all but I don't really go much for guys like him...I'm more of a glammed up New Romantic queen; I love Nick Rhodes, David Sylvian, and David Bowie, and other guys like them. Hm...then again Trent could go glam...*g*, no, never try to change a guy is what I've heard a lot. Upchuck is kinda quirkily fun, but no, I think I'll pass. And...football players? I don't THINK so. Hm...guess Trent'll be the one. Mack would be the one but athletes turn me off. ALL athletes, even the nicer ones.
Me, I'd either be looking for a Jane or a Mack, depending on my mood that week. My taste in people runs more towards really outrageous Jane types, mostly because they seem to have the best time out of life of anyone (as long as they don't go overboard). I'd like to show Mack a good time (not like that, you pervert! <g>), though; it seems to me that if you could get him away from his clean-cut image he'd be much, much more fun.
-Mindy
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First off, hello, all. I've posted here oh, about twice, and if anyone remembers my name, I'd be shocked. I'm a 'lurker' here & find most of your discussions either entertaining or informative. This one kind of intrigued me & I thought I'd add my two cents. I guess if I had my choice of cartoons, I'd pick a combination of Trent and Mack. Trent being 'cool' overall, but Mack being more of the type of guy I actually go for (minus the athleticism). I guess if you could erase Trent's laziness (or sheer lack of ambition, whichever) and Mack's being a jock, and somehow mesh them, that'd be my ideal guy. -D'mico
This message started it all, the longest thread ever in my 1 month stay here at atd. No one posted on 8-9-99, meaning it might be over. Does anyone know the record for the longest thread in this ng's history?
On a minor buzz from either too much alcohol in the food, too much sugar from soda, or reading too many posts in this thread, A.J.
It may well be the "happy thanksgiving" thread, which degenerated into a generic discussion soon after UK readers started asking what Thanksgiving was. That thread lasted for well over a hundred messages anyway, and seemed to go on for weeks.
Hmm, I just checked deja and if it is to be believed, Happy Thanksgiving only lasted for 139 messages, from 26/11/98 to 4/12/98, little more than a week! As was usual in those days, most of the posts were from Alli.
Last year i ent to my grandmother's for thanksgiving, and wasnt able to read ATD at all. I came back and that thread was about 87 messagesd long. I decided to skip it because there was so much more to read..
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What did i miss? --- ~Po CROWDSURFERS WILL BE EJECTED FROM THE BUILDING. It can be harmful, and most of all disrespectful to climb on other people's heads. Crowdsurfing should only be done naked and in the privacy of your own home.
On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:37:55 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email], and it said:
Oh, man. In my time here, it would _have_ to be the most recent "Daria-Treant" discussion. I think it began just after the showing of... no. It wasn't the showing of anything. *Maybe* it was after "Daria!" aired, but I'm thinking it was probably just after that rumor got started, that the DT issue would be "resolved" in season 3. I think the posting volume at that time was so huge, I actually had to choose between keeping this or keeping alt.games.civ2. I chose this.