some observations and thoughts and rants, etc

Why can't I meet someone like Daria in real life? Life, after all, is a cartoon most of the time.

Do you think she's more attractive without her glasses? In the couple of episodes so far where she's been in a different costume (such as "Quinn The Brain" or "Ill") I thought she was attractive as all hell. I think she (& the show's writers) uses her "plain-ness" as a defense mechanism, and beneath that brainy, sarcastic exterior is a rather beautiful person. It's interesting how much you can read into a cartoon character, especially one you're experiencing a temporary and unrequited crush on. But this is nothing new- I had a mad crush on Tinkerbell in "Peter Pan" after seeing that movie. I'm turning 40 in 4 more days. Is this normal, or is it something I should consult a therapist for? I suppose there are worse ways to go through a midlife crisis...

In her appearances on "Beavis & Butt-head" she was drawn so as to not appear very attractive at all, but the artists on the current series portray her in a way that hints at some major but subtle sexiness. If Trent and Daria ever get together, though, the series will be over. Just thinking about it gives me a rash...

I hope MTV realizes what a gem of a show they have here and don't hopscotch it all over the schedule, the fate which befalls so many good programs. Wonder how it would fare in the broadcast syndication market?

I absolutely agree that Daria is attractive (for a cartoon, lest anyone get any ideas). I actually LIKE Daria's glasses. I think glasses bring attention to a person's eyes, kind of like a picture in a frame.

I don't think MTV is doing too bad about the schedule. Contrary to what I read on this NG, it has been on at 2:30 weekdays for awhile now, and the 10:30pm Monday has been that way at least since the beginning of this season.

--Marc

I absolutely agree that Daria is attractive (for a cartoon, lest anyone get any ideas). I actually LIKE Daria's glasses. I think glasses bring attention to a person's eyes, kind of like a picture in a frame.

I don't think MTV is doing too bad about the schedule. Contrary to what I read on this NG, it has been on at 2:30 weekdays for awhile now, and the 10:30pm Monday has been that way at least since the beginning of this season.

--Marc

I absolutely agree that Daria is attractive (for a cartoon, lest anyone get any ideas). I actually LIKE Daria's glasses. I think glasses bring attention to a person's eyes, kind of like a picture in a frame.

I don't think MTV is doing too bad about the schedule. Contrary to what I read on this NG, it has been on at 2:30 weekdays for awhile now, and the 10:30pm Monday has been that way at least since the beginning of this season.

--Marc

On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:49:29 -0700, "G.T. TYSON IV" wrote:

I'm in total agreement here. I first noticed it in "That Was Then, This Is Dumb" (when she took off her glasses before doing the Trent-inspired 100-yard dash to her sleeping bag <grin>), but it really hit home in "Ill" after she woke up in the morning. Quinn may be queen of beauty during the day, but based on "Monster", she's got nothing on Daria first thing in the morning! (And to be honest, her sans-glasses Quinn look in "Quinn the Brain" didn't produce the same reaction. It seemed... I dunno... a little too unreal, I guess.)

Another observation: Without her glasses, Daria bears a more than striking resemblance to Helen. I mean, sure, children often have many similarities in looks to their parents, but it seems to me that the animators have gone to great lengths to heighten the resemblance between the two. (Check out the scene in "That Was Then..." with Helen and Jake talking in the bathroom. After Jake's unthinking crack about men's and women's aging, Helen takes a rather forlorn look at herself in the mirror. The scene then cuts to Daria removing her glasses before hitting the sack. Those back-to-back scenes are more than ample proof of their physical similarities.)

Martin ---- Quinn: Daria, you can't leave me here with those, those yuppies! Daria: Yuppies are from the 80s. Quinn: So, what do you call people with funny outfits who talk about peace and love and stuff? Daria: Trekkies. ---- To send E-mail, remove the "nospam" from my E-mail address.

It was the makeup. B-)

YES. Daria may be a Morgendorffer by name, but she's unmistakably one of the Barksdale women. (And if I may echo some others on this newsgroup, I'd *really* love to see more of Aunt Amy.)

Is Daria farsighted or nearsighted? I tend to suspect she's nearsighted: without her glasses, she had to lean within about six inches of the mirror to get a clear view of her reflection in "Quinn the Brain."

Think globally, act locally. Susan

In article , "Susan C. Mitchell" wrote:

Very nearsighted. Like yours truly.

--.\\<-H-- Who would be legally blind if her vision couldn't be corrected with glasses. Pity, I would have liked the right to keep a dog in a no-pets apartment building...

Ahh ... another of us. When my optometrist projects the Snellen chart on the far wall and says read-the-lowest-line-you-can, my usual response is, "I see a white square." I don't doubt Daria does something similar.

Hm, there's an episode idea: Daria breaks her glasses again -- *really* breaks them this time -- and everyone tries either to persuade to get, or dissuade her *from* getting, PRK or LASIK. She doesn't WANT eye surgery. For one thing, she doesn't mind wearing glasses -- I think she rather likes it. For another, her vision corrects to 20/20. (For a third, she's probably read the EyeKnowWhy site, which would dissuade almost *anyone* from getting LASIK.) But everyone, except Jane, *assumes* she must be dreadfully eager to discard her glasses once and for all.

Think globally, act locally. Susan

Susan C. Mitchell wrote:

Yeah, that's kind of like me. My vision isn't *terrible,* if I mess up my glasses I can go without them for a day... but people are always telling me, "Oh, you should get contacts!" or "You should get that laser surgery!" Hmph. I happen to like my glasses, and I don't hesitate in telling people so. Dispite the fact that they make me look eeriely similar to Daria due to their oval shape and my already Daria like brown hair, I just think they add character to my face. I don't mind them at all. But I really get tired of having to explain that to people all the time, end then endure their looks of disbelief. I guess that most people can't understand that some people like wearing glasses, or at the very least don't mind it.

Jessica :-)

Jessica Liotta wrote:

Hear, hear! Like you, I *like* wearing glasses. And I have much better things to do with my time than play with contact lenses.

As to laser surgery -- send your friends to the EyeKnowWhy site, http://members.aol.com/eyeknowwhy/index.htm . The full title of the page is, "I Know Why Refractive Surgeons Wear Glasses." Very informative, and scary as hell. I learned a new acronym there: GASH. It stands for Glare, Arc, Starbursts, and Haze, the usual aftereffects of such surgery. (Think you want LASIK or PRK? Do you have perfect vision when you wear your glasses? Take a good look around -- there's a good chance that after surgery, you will NEVER have perfect vision again.) I suspect that Daria would be one of those who are *very* annoyed by problems with glare, irregular (uncorrectable) astigmatism, or decreased night vision.

I also picked up some interesting medical terms I'd never heard before. Like "cornea meltdown." Or "enhancement": when the doctors go back and do a second operation, to fix something that went wrong, it's called "enhancement surgery." (Hint: if you get an appendectomy, and the surgeon leaves a clamp or a sponge in your abdomen, the operation to retrieve it is not called an "enhancement.")

Daria would love this page.

"Can laser eye surgery make your eyeballs pop out of your head? Next, on SICK, SAD WORLD!"

Think globally, act locally. Susan

I wear glasses too, and I far prefer them to contacts. My vision is not too bad, but I need them to read, or watch video etc. I seen friends deal with their contacts, and at least once a week there is a complaint of some kind. I'll stick to glasses!

I think glasses, good ones, HIGHLIGHT the eyes, like a frame of a picture. Plenty of women, imho, look absolutely beautiful wearing their glasses.

--Marc

Jessica Liotta writes:

Do what I do. Claim that you have sensitive eyes, and that putting foreign objects in them causes opportunistic infections. Be specific. Use lots of destriptive adjectives. Be creative describing the oozing sores, redness, scabbing, blindness, scabs, and leaking vitreous humors. Especially when the person is eating.

I guarantee, they'll never bring up the subject again.

(Of course, the truth is that I just prefer glasses.)

• Ian

In article , [email] (Xiphias Gladius) wrote:

That sounds like something Daria actually *would* do....man, the "Daria breaks her glasses" storyline would be great fanfic material, at the least...

--.\\<-H--

Ok, I realize this response I have gets us further off subject, BUT... take it from me, ANY kind of eye surgery sucks. I got hit by a UPS truck while riding my bike and my lower right orbital was broken and had to be repaired by surgery. For the folks who have planets in mind instead of anatomy, it's basically just a part of the eye socket. I normally wear contacts, but have had to wear my glasses for the past several weeks now. I almost forgot how much "smarter" I look in my glasses, though they can still be a pain in the ass to wear at times.

Ericka

"Susan C. Mitchell" writes:

Just for fun, once, a friend decided to try the eye chart on me *without* my glasses. They took my glasses, covered one eye, and said, "What line can you read on that chart?"

My response was, "What chart?"

Them: "The chart on that wall, silly!"

Me: "What wall?"

It was pretty bad. The worst part is, among my friends, I have some of the *better* vision. It only gets worse from here.

• Ian

	I don't know, but I'll tell you my biggest fear- that it will go
the way of Liquid Television and especially Aeon Flux.  I know that all
good shows must come to an end someday, but many have ended way before
their time (especially 'The Tick', *sniff*).
	Ok, now I'm going to go do the magic dance to reverse the jinx I
brought about by the mere mention.  La la la la la......

Ericka

I met my Daria today:).....She was adorable, glasses and all, and she had curly brown hair.... she has the same major as me...I finally saw her crack a smile, what a cutie;)...>With my luck she'll be straight:( (I will have to try and change that;)

I will follow it faithfully...(oops i did miss monday, so kill me, i was chick huntin, trying to get outta alt. celebacy. involun.:) Jewlya

"Don't worry, I don't have low self esteem. It's a mistake. I have low esteem for everyone else."---Daria ("Esteemsters") " I gotta cover my butt cause I covet another man's wife"- a.d. Still a member of alt. celibacy. involuntary...

In "some observations and thoughts and rants, etc," [email] wrote:

I'm inclined to agree with Martin Pollard: Daria was almost disturbingly good-looking sans glasses, and with her hair slightly mussed. Although musing on how attractive she is misses the point of the show, somehow. I mean, would she want people concentrating on something as shallow as her looks?

It's a harmless quirk. Try scrolling through the lists of alt.sex.* groups if you really want to plumb the depths of sexual depravity.

Hmmm. I thought she looked pretty good on "B&B". Different strokes, I guess...

That's also (in part) what killed "Moonlighting" -- once the two leads finally got romantically involved, the interest in the show disappeared. I hope Trent and Daria admire each other from afar for awhile to come.

So far, they've been pretty consistent about airing it at a regular time. The major problem has been pre-emptions rather than schedule changes. When Daria and Jane hosted a special top ten animated videos countdown, Daria said, "Watch us Mondays at 10:30, unless we get pre-empted for 'Real World Celebrity Deathmatch.'" As for the syndication market, I dunno. Even the spectacularly popular "Beavis and Butt-Head" never made it to syndication, and I think "Daria" has a more discriminating (read: smaller) fan base.

[email] wrote:

In "some observations and thoughts and rants, etc.," [email] wrote:

"Quinn The Brain" or "Ill") I thought she was attractive as all hell.

good-looking sans glasses, and with her hair slightly mussed. Although musing on how attractive she is misses the point of the show, somehow. I mean, would she want people concentrating on something as shallow as her looks?

�    The Trent�Daria relationship as a writing shtick is better unconsummated.
The show has been hinting repeatedly that Daria has a huge crush on Trent.  I�m
not exactly sure how he feels about her.  On the surface it appears to be an
unrequited love.  I suspect at this stage if Trent does have any feelings for
Daria, they're purely platonic.
�     Daria is a plain girl.  Although she's a  lot prettier than she gives
herself credit. She doesn't wear make-up. She disdains what's fashionable for
young ladies her age.   Neither her wardrobe nor her glasses are particularly
flattering to her face or figure.
�     Daria does have a lot going for her.  She has pretty auburn hair.  She
has a pretty face (once you get past those glasses) and a cute  figure as
finally displayed in QUINN THE BRAIN.  I�m glad to read I�m not the only one
out there with a fascination for Daria sans glasses or with her hair mussed up.

Apart from serving as a source for her own amusement, Daria�s sharp sardonic wit is primarily a defense mechanism to keep stupid people at bay. Daria has trouble dealing with the notion that boys might find her attractive. Let� face it. Our Daria is a girl blessed with brains, wit not big tits.

�S. Mc Allister

In article , Steven McAllister wrote:

Trent. I�m

I don't think so, Steven. Trent has enough of a regard for Daria that he refuses to call Quinn by her name in one episode, but refers to her as "Daria's Sister." Trent knows how to use words as weapons too. Trent was also looking for her actively in the "Ill" episode, and pokes his head into Jane's room in "That Was Then, This Is Dumb." I think he was hoping to get a glimpse of Daria naked, like a lot of the gentlemen on this newsgroup.

I think that Trent is still looking for the near-impossible combo of beauty *and* brains. A guy who I know who's very much like I suspect the character of Trent is refers to this almost-unattainable as "A Barbie Doll with Brains." Think Quinn if she really had intelligence. Think a model who's also working on a degree in Philosophy.

But Trent would settle for brains alone...he understands the transitory nature of beauty. I think that Daria's wit is the big aphrodisiac for him...she makes him laugh, and not too many people can.

mussed up.

Bingo. Trent thinks she's a *lot* more attractive than she lets people see. If he saw her in the getup from the end of "Quinn The Brain" he'd be pretty turned on.

Take care,
--.\\<-H--

[email] (Michelle Klein-Hass) writes:

Oh. In my experience, this isn't *that* difficult to find. I mean, I'm marrying a senior quality assurance engineer at Lotus who also poses for cheescake art. Another friend's a biology/computer science double major at RPI whose also been asked to model. Another friend is an exhibitionistic MIT math major. (She's studied game theory. She has to *make* herself lose at strip poker. . . ) Then there's my ex-girlfriend, who'se now teaching at UMass Amherst; she's gorgeous, too. There are lots more among my friends.

If any of you are really having *difficulty* finding gorgeous geniuses, maybe you're hanging out in the wrong places. I suggest the SCA, science fiction cons (costuming track especally), and, of course, Internet newsgroups about MTV cartoons.

• Ian

I missed this posting until just now:

                                                               ^^^

Do you know William Goldwyn's "Our Kind" plays? Imagine Upchuck as Lord Boozehound Wenchchaser, Kevin as Lord Stickjock Rhinohide (with SHIELD and SWORD embroidered on his sleeves, to remind him which arm is which), Tommy Sherman as Sir Smash'N'Bash, Daria as Mistress Laurel, Brittany as Cupcake Gaolbait, Quinn as Lady Lowbodice Crowncraver, and Jane as "The Dream."

Think globally, act locally. Susan

"Susan C. Mitchell" writes:

[snippage of SCA archetypes and Daria characters ]

Actually, no. I'm not a SCAdian; it's just that most of my friends are. However, I can generally appriciate the analogies. . . :)

• Ian

[My mistake: that should read "Goldwyn of Britain," of course.]

You can get the entire set of three from Ioseph of Locksley's FTP site, at ftp://mac9.ucc.nau.edu/pub/Misc/SCA/Ioseph -- somewhere in there you'll find the title "ourkind.zip". For the second play, we'd have to recast Kevin as Cupcake's new lord, Bruno duh Barbarian (that's how *he* spells it), who has her dressing in a bunny-fur bikini.

And actually, I'm not a SCAdian either ... yet. But I'm a *little* bit of an amateur medievalist, which is why I was disappointed by the ending of "Fair Enough." Why did Daria have to *invent* accounts of medieval life? Surely there are enough interesting *facts* to entertain the crowd with? I'm sure Daria's discovered either the History House webpage (www.historyhouse.com) or William Manchester's _A World Lit Only By Fire_ -- probably both. There's enough material there to keep a Renaissance Faire entertained for quite some time.

Think globally, act locally. Susan

In article , "Susan C. Mitchell" wrote:

This isn't the first time I've heard Daria and Jane accused of inventing accounts of medieval life - I was curious why this is. I admit to not being a diehard medieval scholar, but the plague accounts and, iirc, the Anne Boleyn description(? Is this the right queen? This is the one episode I don't have on tape yet...) seemed pretty accurate. And the Robin Hood stuff really sounded correct, although the King should have been John or Henry, I suppose. I myself would have preferred mention of the historical Pied Piper of Hamelin (a pederast and mass murderer... historical accounts talk about finding the limbs of Hamelin's children thrown in the branch of trees as if by wild beasts) or the Countess Bathory... Of course, that sort of stuff wouldn't make it past Standards and Practices in a million years... oh well.

• Cappadocius, bloodthirsty

You ~ a r e ~ right about that, but the show even appeals to the Quinn types that *think* they are smart and different. heh heh heh.

Also, a lot of them realise that they are like Quinn, but don't realise that they're being insulted. That's the only problem that comes with the subtlety of the humor.

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