#412 Fire! (spoilers)

S04E12 Fire!liveJul 27, 2000, 1:00 AM ET3 hours after the credits11 posts by 4 posters
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All right, I hope this is enough.

Well, what can I say. Wait a minute, I do think I know... this episode definitely makes up for last week's stinker!

Although this episode wasn't as funny as the better lot of funny episodes, the development and plot were deep and interesting. Not much at all failed here. The credit of this episode goes to writer Peggy Nicoll, who everyone thinks stinks but really does not. In fact, I think that she better than any of the other writers on the Daria staff understands the way the show is going and the whole flow of it in general, even over Glenn Eichler, standard-setting extraordinare. (By the way, where has _he_ been this season? Seems like he has followed in the steps of Susie Lewis and left the show, if not for Partner's Complaint) Anyhow, I think she did a great job this episode, and looking back, the perfect replacement story editor and co-writer for the movie. This was the way I was hoping the show would go... putting the ultimate pressure of Daria and Jane's best friendship care of Tom.

The actual fire, of course, was truely a minor device for setting up the whole episode. Interesting at best, but not important (I think the title more implies to the raging of emotions going on between our favorite animated television characters.)

The best parts of this episode were naturally the Tom-Jane and Jane-Daria conflict sequences, but also Trent and Daria's private conversation. Anger flying everywhere in this episode, a true emotion... and it is refreshing. It's nice to see Jodie there as an important part of the story instead of her [pseudo-]usual background appearance. Kind of interesting to find that Mack and Jodie are hardly close. And it's sort of nice to see Mack "being from another planet" (hey, you CAN have some immature fun in high school; you're only young once, yada yada yada).

Also, it seems that hormones are the only thing that can relax Helen and Jake, and for that matter probably keep them together. They do love each other, but I think they're really to much for each other outside "relaxation mode." Soon as the phone call from the detective arrives about Quinn, they're back to their usual, stressed selves. Speaking of Quinn, doesn't it seem like she says "The place with..." a lot? Really though, it seems like she can't decide whether to be shallow or to grow up a little. It's lucky that Daria understands her, or there might have been some genuine hate in the works by this time. And it was almost nice to see that she had been obsessed over and was getting a little scared over it (though Sandi was clearly just jealous) until she was upset because Bobby was quote unquote a "computer geek."

Finally, Daria. At the end of the episode, after talking with Trent, I think she does realize that she truely does have feelings for Tom, though kept buried by her conscience and her respect and love for her friend, and now that they have shown doesn't know how to deal with it. Which makes us wonder, considering before she came to this realization she told Jane she could never hurt her. And the way I see it, Jane means more to her than probably her family and she can see that she is already poking the needle at the skin (geez, what a crappy metaphor). It will be interesting to see how exactly this will be resolved, and how Tom stands in this situation. I have a feeling this will be resolved in the next episode, however. Seems like the movie will be sort of a filler episode.... maybe a chance to see how Quinn and Sandi will resolve things while Daria is at that camp. Oh, and I think now I can truely respect the character if Trent. He is understanding when it comes to implrtant things, and in his own little twisted way, wise.

Fire! sets up conflict and leaves a huge cliffhanger and is probably the best episode of the season and perhaps the series. A relief after last week's schlock... I'm giving it an A.

Now let's all get down on our knees and beg MTV for season 6!

--Adam

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Said I was going to bed, but this post popped up. Fire! was such an interesting episode!

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pressure of Daria

I kinda saw this happening, but I think the writers handled it creatively and intelligently.

setting up the whole

title more implies

animated television

Good point...I was bracing myself for a real letdown after reading the little mini-spoiler saying just that it would be about the family staying in a hotel. I'm glad they proved me wrong!

Jane-Daria

conversation. Anger

refreshing. It's

instead of her

find that Mack and

"being from another

you're only young

Helen and Jake,

each other, but I

mode."

Too bad because they have the ability to be a really cute couple, swimming together and everything else.

Soon as

back to their

she says "The

decide whether to

understands her, or

time. And it was

getting a little

she was upset

One of the funniest lines of the episode. :) Did anyone else notice the extreme lack of Sandi-jokes in this episode? Maybe relaxation has the same effect on the fashion club as it does on Helen and Jake (okay, not the exact same effect, but I think you know what I mean).

Trent, I think

though kept buried

now that they

wonder, considering

never hurt her. And

family and she can

what a crappy

be resolved, and

resolved in the

filler

resolve things while

Hmmm... maybe Tom will be one of the camp counselors to shake things up a bit.

Oh, and I think now I can truely respect the character

things, and in his own

He understands Daria a lot more than we all thought, I guess. It's hard to tell though if his feelings for Daria are romantic or not. I don't think Daria and Trent have a chance of hooking up ever again (their best shot was right around "Pierce Me" after that it all went downhill). Trent's advice seemed to be more of the "hey, I'm looking out for you because you're my little sister's best friend, and here's something I think you should know" type.

probably the best

last week's

I'll have to see it again, but somewhere in the A range would definitely be suitable. :)

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Oops... meant Stacy...sorry, it was late...

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This one I don't think was meant to be as funny, that's why they had the FC scenes and Helen and Jake's scenes for the comedy content of this ep. Sure those were mostly fluff, but they added the comedy breaks at just the right times between all the anger and anst going around. Peggy Nicoll did a fantastic job with this one. Glenn will prolly be back as the writer for #413, he's written all the finales so far, so no reason why they'd alter that.

It had a double meaning, as well as next weeks title does as well, as far as what else will "Dye" along with Jane's hair?

That's what high school should be all about, you only get one chance for fun and such, and that's how I figured Jodie and Mack's relationship would be. It was different seeing her as the sounding board for Jane's problems, but hey it worked for Daria in #401 didn't it?

Someone else had said it, when theyn received the call from the agents, anyone else think something had happened to Quinn because of Bobby? How ironic, Sandi was just trying to scare Quinn because of jealousy, but really helped her out instead.

Exactly, these are new feelings for her and she doesn't quite know what to do with them. She may be denying them, she may be rationalizing them, but she does have some feelings for Tom, the question is, does Tom reciprocate them it that way? If so what will Jane do, fight to keep them together at the expense of her friendship, or (more likely IMO) see whats happening and step aside for the best possible result for all 3 of them? Obviously there willbe some torment inside her over the decision, but I think it will work out that way in the end.

Yes he is, he's not as oblivious as he's made out to be, he's just perceptive only when he wants to be, I like him more now.

I fully agree, A!

YES!

A.J.
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I just hope it's not Tom. That would be the easy way out, making him die. That would be very disappointing.

--Adam

I think "Daria" is above that. Hopefully. ;) At any rate, maybe they mean that the *relationship* would "dye," not the character himself.

*krimren* c.a.t.a.t.o.n.i.a it's all over the front page/you give me road rage/racing through the best days/and it's up to you boy driving me crazy/thinking you may be losing your mind/

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well, as far as

making him die. That

I was wondering the same thing. There hasn't been any episodes about anyone close to Daria dying; in fact, the only issue that had anything to do with death was way back in "The Misery Chick" and Daria didn't even really know (or like) Tommy. Also, Tom's car is a deathtrap, and it would be extremely easy to write out Tom as having a fatal accident. On the other hand, Tom seems like a very interesting character, and he's only been with the show for one season. I don't want to see him leave so soon. Plus, Tom's death would be too serious a topic for Daria. If they killed him off, they'd have to do it close to the end of the episode because any attempts at humor would fall flat after such an event. Hopefully, none of this will happen, and "dye" will simply refer to Jane and Tom's relationship.

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A possibility, could easily be done with that deathtrap he calls a car, though I was thinking more along the lines of either Jane/Tom's relationship, and/or Daria/Jane's friendship will be what "dyes".

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[email] wrote:

well, as far as

making him die. That

calls a car,

relationship,

I'm sorry, this is kind of off topic, but are some people not getting my posts? This isn't the first time someone has practically repeated what I said a short number of posts after I said it. It doesn't really bother me, but I'd like some credit for posting the idea first. :) I feel so ignored. *sniff* Here's my message again. I hate to do this to you guys, but it was starting to make me wonder...

Jul 28, 10:05 AM Violator's Toad (in response to Adam Spradlin) Message 6 of 8 Re: #412 Fire! (spoilers)

[email] (Adam Spradlin) wrote:

It had a double meaning, as well as next weeks title does as well, as far as what else will "Dye" along with Jane's hair?

I just hope it's not Tom. That would be the easy way out, making him die. That would be very disappointing. I was wondering the same thing. There hasn't been any episodes about anyone close to Daria dying; in fact, the only issue that had anything to do with death was way back in "The Misery Chick" and Daria didn't even really know (or like) Tommy. Also, Tom's car is a deathtrap, and it would be extremely easy to write out Tom as having a fatal accident. On the other hand, Tom seems like a very interesting character, and he's only been with the show for one season. I don't want to see him leave so soon. Plus, Tom's death would be too serious a topic for Daria. If they killed him off, they'd have to do it close to the end of the episode because any attempts at humor would fall flat after such an event. Hopefully, none of this will happen, and "dye" will simply refer to Jane and Tom's relationship.

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My bad, I sent off that message before I read the others. Next time I'll read them all before responding, but hey, it proves great minds do think alike! :-)

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time I'll read

think alike!

Actually, sorry for ragging you out. I overreacted. I didn't realize at the time you use Deja where it's SO much easier to skip around messages. I use Remarq and they throw the whole thread at you when you want to read it! Kinda weird how similar our views were though... Coincidence? Probably. :)

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