Daria video - Amazon customer reviews

I don't know if these have been posted before but anyway, I got these off the Amazon.com page for the Daria video at the weekend. I think the dyke reviewer has a pretty skewed view of the Daria/Trent thing, but I guess people tend to see what they want to see. Reminds me of the person who claimed that all the characters in Caroline In The City are in fact gay.

-Shez.

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From: A viewer from Dallas, Texas, December 7, 1998
                     Brains of the world unite!
                     For anyone who has ever been called a nerd, geek or
brain, this is our show. I actually have a sister like Quinn, and I can
really relate to Daria. I especially love her deadpan comments and her
constant mocking of her parents and other authority figures. This video
rocks! Does anyone know if there will be any others released?
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From: Jessica Strickland from Atlanta, GA, September 22, 1998
                     Any Daria fanatic needs this video! It's got the
first three episodes plus a black and white pilot that's never been seen
by fans. Whenever there's nothing good on TV, curl up with this Daria
video.
                     Caution: This video is extremely funny and contains
mind expanding dialogue. Consider yourself warned.
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From: A viewer, August 28, 1998
                     Every Major Daria Fan Should Own This Video!
                     Besides showing a few of the classic first
episodes, this video also shows the black-and-white pilot episode,
"Sealed With A Kick" that has never (and probably never will be) been
aired on TV. It's a really great episode that everyone should see
because it contains a lot of the elements of the Daria we all watch at
10:30 every Monday and yet it's a lot different too. Check it out.
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From: A viewer from California, August 2, 1998
                     DARIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                     My friend (like Daria herself, I have only one
friend) and I are often compared to Daria and Jane, myself for my
cynicism and distaste for human society.
                     Through Daria, I've found someone with whom I can
really associate! Though this tape doesn't contain my favorite episodes,
it's a must buy for all Daria fans.
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From: A viewer from Los Angeles, California , July 24, 1998
                     Don't Miss it!!
                     If you're a fan of Daria or you are just a fan of
synycal and sarcastic humor, see this. It is the first 3 episodes and an
offer you don't want to pass up.
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From: [email], Susanne Casey from North Carolina, USA ,
July 23, 1998
                     Am I the only one who sees that Daria is a lesbian?
                     You don't have to be gay (which I am) to see the
obvious about one Daria Morgendorffer: This animated teen genius is the
most thinly veiled lesbian to hit TV screens this side of Ellen
DeGeneres! Yet everyone else (including Daria's best bud, Jane Lane) is
either ignorant of it, or thinks Daria's complete lack of interest in
boys really is due to her not yet meeting the right guy. The running
joke about the show---AND the book---is simple: Jane wants to fix her up
with her brother Trent, while everyone else wants to fix her up with the
super-rich Upchuck. Every time I tune in to the "Daria" show, I half-
expect one of two things: Quinn asking Jake and Helen, "Don't you think
it's high time Daria got interested in boys?" ...or the three of them
ganging up on Daria and making her date Upchuck with the warning "IT'S
TIME YOU HAD A MAN!!!" What do I see from "The Daria Diaries" and the TV
show?... Daria is, in fact, in love with Jane Lane, and Jane doesn't
realize it. Daria won't come out and admit it, but her feelings for Jane
are so strong she's about to burst. Even "Beavis and Butthead" knew
Daria had no interest in boys---why won't the "Daria" writers let her
come out of the closet already? We all know the truth...let her be
herself.
                     Hey, it worked for Ellen, didn't it?
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From: Jared Duncan from US of A , June 23, 1998
                     This is a video you don't want to pass up!
                     I am a huge fan of Daria and think this video
rocks! It includes the first 3 episodes of Daria. I watch this video
over and over again, and it gets greater every-time.
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From: [email] from New Jersey, December 8,1997
                     Daria VHS tape the must-have for all Daria fans!
                     Well, I am 13 years old and watch Daria every
Monday. I'm a great fan of the show. This tape is awesome! It has the
first few episodes and is a great collector's item. Go, MTV!!
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I agree with you, Shez. What show is this lady watching! I've seen every episode at least three times and I can't think of many things that can back up these claims. Maybe I'm a bit naive about these sorts of things, but if this was the intention, I think I would have caught on by now.

On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:40:28 GMT, [email] wrote:

Very true, I have found that fans of Daria are a pretty smart bunch. If there was any doubt of Daria's sexuality it would have been brought up along with some irrefutable proof.

I especially got a good laugh the last line

No. If I remeber correctly Ellen was cancelled almost immediatly after she came out. If Daria is a lesbian I hope she stays in the closet for a few seasons.

Happydude of MagicNet, Inc. writes:

Personally I would have no problem with a Daria who was a lesbian, but the simple fact is that she isn't one, at least not in this universe. But I guess there's no harm in people indulging in wishful thinking. Maybe there's also stupid people out there who like to imagine that Daria actually has a low IQ and is just bluffing it at school. Or given her low voice, maybe "she's" actually a transvestite? this would go some way to explaining Quinn keeping her distance from her, though I don't really think her parents would let a son of theirs go around dressed as a girl without taking some kind of action over it. Hey, maybe Jake & Helen are TV's too, and Quinn's the only normal one! Jake would make one ugly woman though.

You know, the idea that Daria might actually be a boy in drag is really quite interesting. Given the way she dresses it could easily be true, as her usual attire is pretty unrevealing as to what shape she is. It also fits in with her deadpan character in a way, although TV's re usually quite flamboyant figures, so Daria would be weird even for a transvestite - I can imagine them ostracising her too!

-Shez.

Shez wrote:

I think it would probably ruin the show if she was a lesbian, because then it would be a show about a lesbian instead of a show about a disillusioned teenage girl. It *shouldn't* make any difference, but if she was a lesbian it would put a whole new perspective on the show in most people's eyes. I would have no problem with her being a lesbian, but I would probably have a problem with the direction taken by the show, they'd focus too much on her lesbianism and ignore the other things about her for the most part.

You'd call Quinn "normal?" Actually, I guess Quinn *is* normal, and that's a very depressing thought....

Now that would be interesting. There'll be fanfics about that by next week, probably.....

Alli

endless, nameless wrote in article ...

probably have

Just to add my thoughts: I think you're right about the show's direction if she turned out to be a lesbian, but I don't think it's likely to happen. The way I look at it, Daria doesn't have much of a sexuality to begin with (the Trent thing notwithstanding). The way I figure it, what little sexual desire she had got crushed back in Highland by her association with Beavis and Butt-Head ("You. You two right there. Stop peeing in the gene pool."); anything that survived is probably buried deep inside her under the weight of her determination not to be emotionally demonstrative. (i.e., manifesting an attraction for someone will just lead to pain and heartbreak -- after all, haven't we seen her reading the Scarlet Letter in one episode or another?)

thought....

A friend of mine said it best: "Now you know why I don't like being in the real world."

I think you're right, the gay/lesbian thing tends to become the whole thing about a character rather than an incidental aspect. Hell, people even make it the key thing about characters who *aren't* homosexual! That's what pissed me off when someone claimed that the Caroline in the City characters were basically gay, they seemed to be more interested in slapping a label on them than enjoying them as individual people. It seems men can't have a feminine side anymore, or vice versa, without someone trying to claim that they're homosexual.

I think that's the missing element from my Daria interview. The actor who plays Daria is really called David Blenkinsop, and he's a bloke...

Hey, happy birthday Alli!

-Shez.

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Daria is played by Janeane Garafolo

*jumps out of a cake singing* Ditto!

[email] wrote:

Hey, don't you start! Some of my friends kept singing Happy Birthday really loudly and really badly today just to embarass me, and it got old, fast. :)

Alli

On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:11:54 +0000, "endless, nameless" wrote:

But it's fun! Don't you *like* fun?

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Kyle wrote:

Not when it involves any of my friends singing voluntarily. Of course, when you force them to sing (and dance) in public it's hilarious, but not when they're doing it of their own accord.....

Don't give them all ideas, OK? :)

Alli

So what you should have got for your birthday is a gun so you could shoot at their feet, going "Dance! Dance!"

-Shez.

On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:19:06 +0000, Shez wrote:

Somehow, I saw this reply before I saw Alli's reply to my post. This has been happening a lot lately...

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Kyle wrote in message ...

I`m getting the same thing every now and then, but, I put it down to my fragile grip on reality

It's been happening to you too? I'd assumed that it was an AOL problem.

Shadowcloak [email] (NOT @aol) http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/7252/

"Oh, no. The toilet is talking to me again." - Jane Lane

Shadoc64 o writes:

It's probably due to the varied ways that news propagates across the net. Alli & me are both in the UK so her posts will probably reach me before they reach the US. Also Demon have a very fast newsfeed and their own transatlantic links, so this may be why my reply reached the US before Alli's original. (Mind you, Demon customers still moan about how slow the service is though!) -Shez.

Shez wrote:

LOL. No, it's this one girl who, under pressure from several people, will do her stupid 5ive dance, "5ive'll make you get up, singing 1, 2, 3, 4!" She does

it just like they do, and she knows all these old seventies disco ones as well. I've got this crappy old keybord that has all these songs on it, you type in a

number and it'll play that song, and she'll dance to that as well. It doesn't sound half as funny as it actually is, but you haven't seen her dancing!

Alli

In article , [email] wrote:

Kyle, Kyle, Kyle. If you're going to spread disinformation, at least spread - correct- disinformation. It's Janeane -Garofalo-.

Obligatory FAQ-keeper's disclaimer: Daria's voice is done by Tracy Grandstaff.

Chris Majors

On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:52:04 GMT, [email] wrote:

correct disinformations has GOT to be an oxymoron. But I'll try to remember the spelling.

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Hey Alli. Happy Birthday wishes from Tennessee.

Bob

yes, happy birthday. i know it must suck for you, though, if people try to pull that "this is your birthday AND christmas gift" deal. Never happened to me, thnak God, but for most other people with birthdays in december, it's a bitch. Specially, my grandpa, who was born ON december 25.

On 16 Dec 1998 22:03:35 GMT, [email] (CrtoonDude) wrote:

A friend of mine was born on Christmas eve, he would either get one regular gift or 2 crappy ones. I usually just got him 2 regular gifts, I felt so bad for him because he would get royally screwed over on his birthday. Plus I felt guilty for having an April birthday. Once he got a gift that was labeled "Happy/merry birthday/Christmas."

Happy birthday Alli.

Not Me. My family and friends knew better. You don't deliberately encourage an already "anti-social" (their classification for me, "odd" is another good one) person to get in an even darker mood by giving sucky presents, he or she just might load a gun.

J.B. Who was born on December 25 and received two good presents or one very EXPENSIVE one ex. a car b/c he is SPECIAL

CrtoonDude wrote:

Thanks!

I get that a lot, especially from relatives. It's very annoying, I can tell you.

That would totally suck. I'm sort of glad mine's before the end of term because I get presents/cards from people at school then. Several people I know were born in the summer holidays, so they never get cards from school friends unless they see them outside school.

Alli

"endless, nameless" wrote:

might as well add my "happy birthday" as well...

My cousin was born on the 25th as well, and, yes, she always got the short end of the Present Stick (if there is such a thing) as well.

Being born on the 5th of July, I can tell you that it sucks to have a summer birthday.

When I was in elementary school, if it was your birthday, you DID get a party with cupcakes and such, and everyone liked you because of it-- mostly because everyone would get out of some classwork. (Perhaps it was a foreshadowing of those 4PM office birthday parties?) But those of us with summer birthdays always got screwed. No parties, no cupcakes, no pony rides. (Bastards! And everyone wonders why I'm a cynic? I blame the System.)

The worst part for me is that everyone's always either out of town or on vacation when my birthday rolls around. (July 4th weekend. (I know, DUH-- but I'm just being polite to the members of the Global Community who don't live in the US.)) The Upshot is that I always wind up celebrating my birthday a week or two after it happens. I couldn't even go drinking with my college friends when I turned 21, as everyone was gone for the summer!!!

Of course, the upside is that as a little kid, you got a summer "toy fix" to tide you over until Christmas. ("You know, Chrrrist-masss" -- Ricky's Mom, "Better off Dead.") But it still kinda sucked, anyway, because most of my little friends were off at camp over the summer, so I didn't have anyone to help me break my new toys.

"We're through playin' now." rich.

Mr. O'Neill: Let's pledge to make Daria's dream a reality!

Daria: You mean the one where people walking down the street burst into flames?

Mr. O'Neill: The coffeehouse!

"[email]" wrote:

Thanks. :)

One of my friends turned 15 on the day her brother got his GCSE results. She was totally forgotten by her relatives, they all rang up to congratulate her brother and then just told him to say happy birthday to her for them. Her brother got a load of money for getting good results, and she got a few presents and cards.

Alli

CrtoonDude wrote in message ...

Does that mean we've all got to say, "Merry Christmas, Alli," as well? 8-)

Or early January (I speak as one who knows: Jan 6th).

Now *that's* bad timing!

Martin.

hey, you've got the same birthday as my girlfriend! just thought i might let the collective News group know. I think i'll go crawl back into the corner again..

Po aka CrtoonDude wrote in message ...

La-la? (Sorry, Po!)

OK, combined party. But where?

Martin.

hehehehe. that's ok. I do want everyone to know that I was nicknamed Po about two years before anyone had ever concieved the telletubbies. I AM the original Po, my name is actually Leo, but i think Po looks cooler on my sig. And i am still looking for a black t-shirt with Po on it. Of course, no one would get it but myself and my closest friends, and possibly the people on this newsgroup, and everyone else would probably think i was gay. I'd still wear it, though.

hmmm, we HAVE always wnanted to come to england.. hmm, is it possible you can get us access to a nice old castle?

CrtoonDude wrote in message ...

about

original

am

I dare say someone must make such a thing. Would it be legal to get a picture of Po from http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/teletubbies/ and use one of those T shirt making kits, or take it to an instant T shirt place?

can

To visit, yes, no problem. Even a picnic on the lawns, perhaps a game of croquet. Many of the places in the care of the National Trust have good restaurants, too, but few are open in January.

As a party venue, or to stay in, yes, at a cost. If you get enough people it can come down to merely "very expensive." People who own nice old castles and let out accommodation kindly permit you to share their experience of the mind-boggling costs of keeping them nice. 8-/

But a nice old castle, as a party venue, in a British January? I'd sooner go for a nice middle-aged castle, or even a nice new one: certainly something under 500 years old.

Martin (writing in a Victorian Rectory, which is quite cold enough when the wind blows from the North).

my birthday is oct. 30th (here in detroit, thats known as devil's night. :>) Saerah

Martin Sylvester wrote:

Yes. :)

My dad was born on Jan 8, and two of my friends were born on Jan 11, but I always thought the Christmas/birthday thing had worn off by that time. Maybe Jan 7 is the limit for that, or something.....

Alli

endless, nameless wrote in message ...

For Western Rite Christians, January 6th is the Feast of the Epiphany (three wise men/kings, etc.), and by tradition it's the last day for Christmas decorations to be displayed. So I reckon you are exactly right when you set the 7th as the limit.

Unless of course, you're celebrating according to the Consumer Materialist calendar, in which case Christmas *ends* on the 25th, and December 26th is the Festival of The Start Of The Sales.

Martin -- who's still in Advent, looking forward to Christmas starting on the 25th! (And who knows someone who bought a chocolate Advent calendar for her *dog*!)

Martin Sylvester wrote:

<shrug> A lucky guess, or something. Anyways, my dad wouldn't care, but the two friends of mine probably would. One of them, however, mourns the taking down of decorations and trees for about 2 months, so she'd probably rather have a later birthday.

You are kidding, right? Please tell me you're kidding.... Mind you, I know someone who sends Christmas cards to her friends from herself and from her rabbits......

Alli

endless, nameless wrote in message ...

Nope, saw it with my own eyes. Amazed that anyone would think of making them. I admit I found it charming, disarming, that (name withheld), who's aged somewhere between 25 and 35, could be silly enough to buy one. Her dog certainly enjoyed it, and she enjoyed the dog's reaction.

And we wonder why people stand staggered in bewilderment at the archetypal Briton's attitude to animals.

But is that one card from all of them, one from her and one from the rabbits, or one from her and one from each rabbit? We demand to know!

Martin.

Martin Sylvester wrote:

LOL.

She gives you one card and signs it "Claire [that's her name], Jemmi and Fudge[the rabbits' names]." This is not her only peculiarity, oh no. Until she was about 11 she had a small plastic dog, complete with lead, which she would take everywhere, even to school, "come on Sally, it's time for a walk...." off she would go, with the little dog dragged along behind her.... I should probably say at this point that she is a lovely person, she's just a little odd......

Alli

She sounds like the person who later in life will progress to see flying saucers and getting abducted by aliens.

-Shez.

Shez wrote:

Oh no, other than the thing with the toy dog and the rabbits' Christmas cards, she is the most down-to-earth and sensible person I know. I find it very odd, sometimes, how she can be so mad and yet so horribly sane.

Alli

You don't have to be mad to be abducted by aliens though. Current studies suggest such things happen mainly to people who never quite grew out of having imaginary friends. In other respects they're often boringly normal, which helps lend an air of credibility to the weird tales they come up with. It's just that with some people the dividing line between reality and imagination is rather blurred. Someone did some psychological profiling of abductees once and in most respects they can't be distinguished from the population in general. Of course, nuts & bolts UFO devotees would say that this is because they _are_ normal people who just happened to be abducted by real life aliens. Personally I think the credibility of this stance was summed up best by Shirley Holmes' grandmother:

TV report: ".... Police are continuing their investigations into the alleged alien abduction." Grandma: "Idiots." Shirley: "The Police?" Grandma: "The aliens! Why bother with all these silly abductions when thousands of people would give their right arms to go? They could sell tickets."

-Shez.

Shez wrote:

Ah, that's Claire, then.....

Well, I wouldn't call Claire normal, but she's abnormal in good ways: she isn't swayed by peer pressure, she won't let anyone drop litter, she's extremely stubborn about certain things, she has an innate sense of practicality (which is, IMHO, due to her being a Sagittarius), and she's generally very level-headed. But she did carry a small toy dog around with her until she was 10 years old.

LOL. Absolutely, why don't they? Hehehe.

Alli

Shez wrote:

Ah, that's Claire, then.....

Well, I wouldn't call Claire normal, but she's abnormal in good ways: she isn't swayed by peer pressure, she won't let anyone drop litter, she's extremely stubborn about certain things, she has an innate sense of practicality (which is, IMHO, due to her being a Sagittarius), and she's generally very level-headed. But she did carry a small toy dog around with her until she was 10 years old.

LOL. Absolutely, why don't they? Hehehe.

Alli

In article ,

Well, that's not all that strange, at least to me... My wife and I send Christmas cards signed "Chris, Jen, and Catfish." Catfish is our 6-year-old yellow Lab, and he's just as much a member of the family as anyone else.

Chris Majors

"endless, nameless" wrote:

"You know, Christmas is run by one of the big Eastern Syndicates" -- Lucy van Pelt.

ugh, don't remind me of the sales... *shudders*

I don't mean to sound preachy, but chocolate is very, very, *very* bad for doggies... it can kill them, especially the little ones--- it's toxic to their little systems, so don't feed dogs, and esp. cats, chocolate. (Unless you have those artificial chocolates for pets, which aren't really a good idea either, because then your pets get a hankerin' for chocolates of any kind, safe or unsafe.) Tell your friend that s/he should eat the chocolates for her dog. (Unless, of course, s/he's hypoglycemic like good old Mrs. Johansen, and you don't feel like doing time for manslaughter. <g>)

Alli, your friend's sick... and it reminds me of a joke about a bear and a rabbit in the woods... but I don't want to repeat it here.... I guess it's because I'm sick, too. <g>

Besides, you've probably heard it already.

rich.

"Stop the bus! Stop the bus!" -- Chester

[email] wrote in message ...

Yes, it's specifically dog chocolate; the dog is a German Shepherd.

Um, given that it is a pet treat, I'm not sure how welcome that would be. <g>

I'll look for a tactful way of finding out if she knows how bad chocolates are for dogs. "Oh, no, you don't want to do that..."

[snip card-sending rabbits]

It reminded me of the one about the two rabbits who used to have a pub lunch every day. "Rabbit jokes" thread, anyone?

Martin.

[email] of spam

I'll have to remember that next time I get hassled by a dog. As for cats it's a good job they don't like chocolate, it's already bad enough with them thinking they own all the fish and dairy products in the house and hassling you to hand it all over to them. Chocolate is one of the few edible things it's safe to leave lying around in a house which has cats.

Do the Morgendorffers have a pet? I recall that in My So-Called Life the Chases had a cat but you never actually get to see it. Speaking of invisible people, I've never seen Andrea yet, does she really exist or is she like Tino in My So-Called Life? Everyone is always talking about Tino but he never actually turns up on-screen, not even once. The guy who was cast to play that part had one cushy number!

Not that Alli's in a position to lecture her friends on being sick

-Shez.

Shez wrote:

I used to have a rabbit, and I'd feed it chocolate sometimes.....and now it's suddenly dawning on me why it died.......

Hey, shut up! :)

Alli

Rabbits are herbivores though so it's probably different for them. For one thing they have a sweet tooth, which carnivores don't.

The real reason your rabbit died is that when your dad said he'd just popped it in the oven to warm it up because it was cold outside, he was actually lying to you. (You remember that "chicken" you ate for dinner later that day?)

-Shez.

Shez wrote in message ...

I'd guess no. Who would take care of it? Certainly not Mr. & Mrs. Workaholic, Jake & Helen. Quinn wouldn't have time for it either. Quinn is too self-absorbed for a pet. And Daria--get real.

Although, curiously enough, I think of all the Morgendorffers that Daria would be the most likely to care for a pet. What if Trent presented her with a puppy as a present? That could make an interesting situation.

Bob

[email] wrote:

I have no real idea where Tennessee is, but thanks anyway! :)

Alli

On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:15:01 +0000, "endless, nameless" wrote:

Imagine a picture of the US. It would be about halfway from the centerpoint to the edge, towards the south eastern tip

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Kyle of writes:

I just looked at my atlas: so Tennessee's the place that has a giant ruler running through it with the words "Scale 1:10,000,000"?

-Shez.

Shez wrote:

I'm not sure, but I'll let you know. I have to drive through Tennessee (the long way-- all 450 miles) on my way to Texas this weekend. I hear that the numbers are actually giant flaming numbers carved into the Smoky Mountains, and that for $10, you can look at them from a Scenic Overlook, and for an extra $20, you can get your picture taken in front of them. (But not so close that you get anything singed.)

rich/

"This is Precious Roy, and I just ate a handful of honeybees!" -- Precious Roy.

endless, nameless wrote in message ...

Surely you can deduce that?

It must be between Ninenessee and Elevennessee.

<waits for groans>

Martin.

Martin Sylvester wrote in message ...

I never imagined that one little mention would draw so much interest.

Actually, the name Tennessee is, as I remember from history class, supposed to be taken from a Cherokee Indian word meaning "bend in the river" or something like that. (I kind of think the Cherokees were one of the coolest of the Indian tribes.) Sure enough, the Tennessee River does take a grand turn southward into Northern Alabama before turning north to join the Ohio River. When Tennessee split off of North Carolina (Like Daria, Tennessee is a spin-off.) they initially named it after Benjamin Franklin but finally ended up naming the state after the river that runs through it.

I take it that no one here is a country music fan. Me neither. But I can appreciate the tastes of those who are. They seem to be just as mystified by my devotion to the TV show Daria. The first country music record was supposed to have been cut at Bristol, Tennessee (I think the city was named after some place in England or something.) Now most of that activity has ended up in the state capital at Nashville.

Bob

Makes me think of that problem some sports people get, Tennesselbow.

Yes, in fact it's named after Bristol.

-Shez.

"Martin Sylvester" wrote:

Another group I read employs an item called 'The ClueBat' for stuff like this. Another group calls out 'The Narn Bat Squad'. Goes something like this, just for you Martin. ;)

THROMP THROMP THROMP THROMP THROMP THROMP THROMP

WACK WACK WACK WACK WACK WACK WACK WACK WACK WACK

THROMP THROMP THRomp THromp Thromp thromp...

[email] wrote in message ...

Aaagh! Wallop, wallop, all on me 'ed.

"Sergeant, you were on duty when Ten Downing Street went missing. What happened?" "These ten blokes jumped out the van and walloped me. Wallop, wallop, wallop, all on me 'ed, it was. Wallop, wallop, wallop, it was. Wallop, wallop." "Yes, I see. Did you notice anything about these men?" "Yes. I noticed they kept walloping me on the 'ed."

(With apologies (i) to people who aren't Goon Show fans, and (ii) to Goon Show fans, for quoting from memory.)

Martin.

Yeah, happy birthday Alli! Did you get the razor blades we all sent?

Shadowcloak [email] (NOT @aol) http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/7252/

"Oh, no. The toilet is talking to me again." - Jane Lane

Shadoc64 wrote:

Hehehe. Not yet, no.....

Alli

Shez wrote:

I can't stand labelling people. It's so annoying to even have those names for things: gay, lesbian, bisexual, whatever. I don't even think it should matter, I don't even want to know if someone's gay or not, I just can't care about stuff like that.

Well, that is kinda reassuring if his name's David....

Unfortunately not, actually. It involved too much work in the Biology lab after school, our experiment didn't work so we stayed behind for over two hours trying to get some results...it was a thing with hydrogen peroxide and potatoes, I have no idea whatsoever about what we were actually trying to find out, I spent most of the time sulking.

Alli

On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:46:26 +0000, Shez wrote:

Definately. If anyone in the show were even possibly homosexual (by their standards), it would be Mr. O'Neil, but that can't be right because of his relationship with Ms. Bartch.

Personally, I think the people that think Daria and Jane are lesbos are comparable to Sandi, or Brittany, in size of intellect and worldview.

[email] (Tarvok) wrote:

And if you haven't read TDD, there's a very funny letter from Mr. O, warning his drama students not to pull an "In and Out"-style stunt on him, should they ever hit the Big Time, and, besides, he adds, he isn't gay anyway...

It was funnier in the book, but it's still in a box somewhere in one of the rooms at my new place. (I hope to unpack right before I have to move again. <g>)

rich.

Jane: Usually when I have this dream I'm wearing pink taffeta.

Tarvok wrote in message ...

Mr. O'Neil is flaky, but I don't think he could really be confused with a homosexual. I believe that what Mr. O'Neil is intended to caricature is a so-called "sensitive male." Who knows? On the one hand it's argued that a "sensitive male" gets the babes. It worked for O'Neil, assuming you by any stretch might consider Ms. Bartch a babe. OTOH, some women say they hate "sensitive males" and prefer "real men." I'm sooo confused. It isn't easy being a guy. Women have it so much easier.

Bob

On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:58:07 +0000, "endless, nameless" wrote:

Well the religious right in the US has some powerful friends in government and the media. A few years ago the CBS network pulled Mighty Mouse off the air under pressure from religious groups. Supposedly (someone correct me if i'm wrong) there was a scene, in one episode, where Mighty Mouse sniffed a flower. Soon after, some group claimed that the flower symbolised cocaine. The show was soon taken off the air. Ellen was probably taken off the air due to the same pressure (then again, IMHO, it wasn't such a great show regardless of Ellen's sexuality). I guess my point is if Daria switched teams it would likely be cancelled or exiled to after 10pm with a tv-13 or a nc-17 rating. Then again if South Park can get away with half the things they do, Daria could too. But if it isn't broken......

If I sound paranoid or fearful of the religious right, yes, I guess I am. I live in central Florida. According to Pat Robertson, God is going to unleash his wrath on central Florida in the form of earthquakes, hurricanes, terrorist bombings, fires, etc. Why? Because the city of Orlando hosted a gay and lesbian convention. I am scared. Hurricane's in Florida? Who would have ever guessed?

All the more reason to be a freak, I guess.

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Hardly, but let's not debate about the "liberal media"

The religous right ALONG with parent groups.

That's the key. After she came out, the whole show was designed around makng semi-amusing jokes about her sexuality. It just wasn't funny anymore.

Not to mention it would make it seem kinda populist.

Pat Robertson should NOT be held as an example of the religous right, anymore than the Black Panthers are the paragon of Civil Rights.

[email] wrote:

Anymore? "Ellen" the show was never funny. It was desperately tedious. I attempted to sit through it once or twice, and the writing was so bad, I couldn't help but cringe, because I was so embarassed for everyone involved. (And there were a few funny people involved in the show, like one of the Higgins Boys, and Ellen herself was a good standup comic.)

If a sitcom about an unfunny lesbian had gotten big ratings, you can believe that it's still be on. The problem is not that most viewers aren't tolerant, (heck, "Will and Grace" is still doing relatively well, and it doesn't suffer as much from the unfunnyness of "Ellen," even if it is a bit contrived), the basic Hollywood question is, "Are people watching it?" If the answer is yes, the it gets renewed. If the answer is no, it ends up in the dustbin. (To borrow a word from our English participants.)

Remember the Hollywood mantra "Butts in seats, butts in seats...." And forget what any protest group says, because if it puts butts in seats, it's all free publicity... (if not, well, they decided to respond to their more sensitive viewers -- yeah, right, they just wanted to cut their losses.)

Precisely. In fact, the only thing I would fear would be the opposite-- a softening of her character by the suits in order to get more Quinns watching and buying all of the beauty treatments advertised. I mean, come on, would anyone who watches the show really *care* about a search for the next unknown supermodel? Sheesh!

See my point, supra.

Pat Robertson is the spokesperson for smug bastards everywhere, but not necessarily the religious right in the US. Same goes double for Jerry Falwell. (A HS friend of mine spent a two-year hell at his "Liberty" University-- where, oddly enough, you're not free to do anything except constantly pay fines... but that is another story.)

The point is, you can find jerks, kooks, and busybodies anywhere you look, but for some reason, we seem to breed more of them here in the good ol' nosy US of A. (GONUSA?)

tongue firmly planted in cheek, rich.

Helen: Bureaucracy is the price we pay for impartiality.

Jake: Jefferson!

Helen: Stalin.

On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:59:13 GMT, [email] ([email]) wrote:

Excelent point. If I remeber correctly the show underwent one name change, was put on hiatus several times for retooling, and went through at least 3 or 4 cast changes. The fact that it was around for so long proved that bad shows can survive. How long has Veronica's Closet been on the air? At least 3 or 4 seasons (a good timeslot always helps.)

Protest groups definitely seem to have lost the influence they may have had. When Mighty Mouse caused an uproar it was cancelled. When a kid in Chicago set his couch on fire in the name of Beavis, lighters became childproof and BNB could no longer chant "fire, fire." Now South Park is out there saying words on TV I have NEVER heard outside of HBO or Cinemax. South Park seems to be immune to the protests. Why? South Park made a lot of money and got huge ratings.

Honestly, this scenario has never crossed my mind. Scary.

Well he was a key member of the religious right in his day. He helped start groups like the Moral Majority, the Christian Coalition, Focus on the Families, etc.. He owns the CBN and still hosts the 700 Club. I could be wrong about these things. It seems like the RR have been trying to keep him quiet, in the last few years, in an attempt to soften their image.

I think it's something in the water. "If it's brown, drink it down. if it's black, send it back."

that reminds me, I was reading some newsgroup last week, someone on that group wanted to eliminate all current systems of measurement in favor of a new system he had created and named after himself. Very strange.

BTW only 8 more happydude's until Christmas! There will also be a Daria marathon on Fridude.

Happydude wrote:

Please tell me you're kidding and that I've missed the sarcasm in the above.....please.....

I don't need a *reason* to be a freak, even.

Alli

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Well, it -does- have a tv-14 rating, and new episodes are shown at 10:30pm on Monday nights.

Doesn't invalidate your point, though. "Daria" doesn't need that kind of publicity.

Chris Majors

Shez wrote in message ...

Ellen was cancelled because it was boring, not because Ellen DeGeneres "came out." The show originally started out boring and went downhill from there. I'd long ago quit watching. Once they thought they could get by on the lesbian issue alone, no one else was watching either.

If Daria were a lesbian then why would she react the way she does around certain male characters? Frequently around Trent she's shown the reddened cheeks, in fact that was the basis of an entire episode. She exhibited the same reaction around Ted DeWitt-Clinton. Jane has made no secret of her heterosexual nature either. There's nothing wrong with that. Daria spends time with Jane because she sees Jane as a friend. There's nothing wrong with having friends. As I once read in Playboy Magazine, "Having friends will get you through times of no sex better than having sex will get you through times of having no friends."

While Daria appears to be built like a beanpole in her usual attire, we've seen ample evidence in more than one episode that Daria is most definitely built like a girl--"Quinn the Brain," "The Teachings of Don Jake," "ILL," "Road Worrier," and "I Don't" are some that come immediately to mind.

Besides, Daria just ACTS--well--Girlish. Not a boy.

You can always tell a woman--but you can't tell her much.

Bob

Happydude wrote:

That's not because she came out, that's because the show sucked. Or, at least, it started sucking after she came out (and they had that plot thread of her dating that boring woman). Proof positive that gays can be just as dull and uninteresting as anyone. It ain't all Jerry Springer, folks. %-{)>

MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")

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Shez wrote:

I thought the Caroline in the City scenario was plausible, but a stretch. Still, the networks have become increasing gay tolerant and during the course of four seasons may have written Charlie to be of questionable orientation to draw in a gay demographic. You see what you want to see. After all what does NBC care as long as it's pulling in more viewers. In any case I attribute this guy's perspective to misjudging the characters. However, misjudging Daria's character is often catastrophic in understanding the show. And as we can see our friend Susanne here needs to brush up on her reading comprehension.

Your orientation has nothing to do with your argument. Mentioning this only weakens your point by emphasizing that you *want* Daria to be gay. Everyone identifies with the show one way or another, however, you are projecting. This shows an emotional bias for rest of your argument.

Daria genius? No. Smart? Yes. Dexter: boy genius. Dee Dee: Brittany's younger years?

It's a good thing Daria doesn't have a crush on Trent otherwise that would conflict with her *complete* lack of interest in boys. Contrary to popular belief Daria has met the right guy. Twice. Trent and Ted. What do they have other guys lack? Trent might be a slacker and Ted stuck in the 1900's but they each had self-respect, integrity, and ethics. Daria respected them because they were true onto thine self. Like Daria they don't compromise who they are for other people's expectations. The best way to explain this is, ironically, through Quinn. In "Monster" Quinn gave us a fleeting glimpse into her being. There was more to her than the shallow exterior we see everyday. But she choose her fashion fate because she rather be popular for the wrong reasons than alone for the right ones. Here is the Daria Quinn split (again seen in "Quinn the Brain"). Daria prefers substance unlike Quinn, the queen who rules over mindless drones like herself.

Time-out. I admit I haven't seen "Malled" or "That was Then, This is Dumb" or read the books. But I can say I'm pretty damn sure there is no running joke throughout the series. There are some running themes: As mentioned by another dariante when Daria wins she loses (ex. "See Jane Run", "The New Kid", "College Bored"). And don't forget the ultimate insult: the Quinn comparison as one of my favorite scenes points out (paraphrased for protection):

Ted: Well...My parents warned me some kids can be...you know...shallow.

Daria: You don't think I'm shallow do you? Ted: You do remind me of that one popular girl...whats her name? Quinn! That's it! You two look like you'd be best friends. SSW: Next on Sick Sad World!

Those must be the episodes I [address] to self: Lawyers and consultants no longer earn six figured salaries.

Multiple Choice:The previous statement implies... A. It's now legal for underage girls to sleep with males 18 and over (aka statutory rape). B. Brains, personality, and violent tendencies don't matter as long as he has a dick. C. Like Daria I'm single, therefore, I'm gay. D. All of the above.

Correct me if I'm wrong but...The only episode that can come even close to being construed to this level is "See Jane Run". Jane had purposely become a jock and sold her integrity in the process. Jane had sold out and Daria was hurt. Daria distraught over Jane's love or betrayal? Hmmm... When I pick up "The Daria Diaries" I'll be sure to read all the secret love letters Daria's been writing to Jane.

B&B knew? Are you implying knowledge? B&B had knowledge? Let me get this straight. B&B could recognize Daria's queerer tendencies but not their own fathers?

Did it really? It's a shame it didn't work for you. But it was a nice touch not including any proof to support your claims.

I realize it was rude of me to post this without sending a copy to Susanne, and rather demeaning lining my counter-arguement with jokes. But, should I be more embarrassed for not bothering to correct my own debate flaws or for responding to a mindless rant? -patrick7