Significant news about the future of _Daria_ appears at Lawndale Commons URL: http://www.msgeek.com/lc/ and on the Daria news ticker at The Irony Maiden URL: http://www.sylvesternet.freeserve.co.uk/irony-maiden/
Full credit to MsGeek for this news, which confirms rumours reported on The Irony Maiden in December, and adds additional information.
An article, which includes an interview with Glenn Eichler, may be found in the forthcoming issue of the American animation magazine TOON.
Martin. <sigh>
(I'm not at present a regular here, for reasons explained in the "Spoiler policy" thread.)
Season 5 will be the last season of "Daria." The season will wind up with a second TV movie aired after #513.
According to Glenn Eichler:
"I talked it over with Abby Terkuhle, president of MTV Animation, and we decided to do another movie after the end of Season Five to wrap up high school and send the characters off to college. And that'll be it. We love our fans and we don't want to betray either their high expectations for "Daria" or our own, so we've decided to go out with our standards if not our brain cells intact."
<speculation on my part> With S5, the episode count is the magic number of 65, which means "Daria" could go into syndication. Counting the two movies, the first of which could be easily divided into three or four episodes, the package is very attractive for syndicating to indie networks. Since MTV recently got their feet wet in the syndication market by syndicating "The Real World," the possibility of a syndicated "Daria" being marketed at the next NATPE convention is very likely. </speculation on my part>
The reason why I'm going public now is that I got the Toon cover art from Michael, my editor-in-chief there, and the subhead says "Daria: Saying Goodbye to Lawndale High." So the cat's out of the bag.
There's tons of cool stuff about Daria in that issue, so go ahead and buy it!
I'm leaving up a spoiler space for those coming to this thread for the first time.
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Crap. I had thought that there might be a chance for a sixth season. I really did.
Perhaps it's just as well. They cut the alter-egos, who knows what would have gone next?
Perhaps it is better to fade out gracefully than it is to rust, to paraphrase a song.
Let's face it, for me it's been a great five years. I got to experience this show from the beginning and I'll be there at the end. I have enjoyed every bit. There's not much else I can say.
Well, I'm going to enjoy the ten last episodes. And I hope you'll all do the same.No bitter words please.
My my, hey hey, gah god dammit...i was really hoping for a sixth go-round....but maybe these 65 eps and 2 movies were enough. Just like the old guy in "Crossroads" said about Robert Johnson's 29 songs. I'm gonna miss this show. Even though it'll live in syndication, hopefully, there's still that feeling that all the characters just died or something. like The Maxx said in i-forget-what-issue-it-was, about "Cheers." ah well. repeat to myself: it's just a show...
Hey, it's raining outside as I write this. How's that for symbolism?
When you consider how close the show came to cancellation in its first season, that's more than anyone could ask for. Ok, a sixth season would have been nice, followed by a generous portion of a seventh, but by then you'd probably have staff dropping dead of heart attacks. I mean, Glenn looked spent in that Behind the Scene special and that was in anticipation for the fourth season. The poor guy probably has to take a year long vacation after this.
That's probably one reason WHY Glenn Eichler decided to end the show after the fifth sesaon -- if he was THAT tired. At least and Abby Terkhule had the sense to end the show cleanly and gracefully. I know of at least one show that eventually outlived its welcome -- "Mork and Mindy", which I watched a bit as a kid. Others can probably name other shows.
It wasn't really a show to long-time Daria fans. I know, because before I came onto the Daria bandwagon, there was this cartoon I watched -- "Where on Earth is Carmen Sandiego?". To me, it both was AND wasn't a show. The characters seemed real to me, especially Carmen -- hey, Carmen still seems real to me, even though I know the show was just a show. I won't have the same reaction that long-time Daria fans will have, but I can understand their reactions.
Well, that show died in its second season, so it was more the ending of a fad then anything else. If the show had any more going for it then Robin Williams it would of lasted longer :)
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There's not much extra that I can really add to this that hasn't already said, other than a small complaint.
It pains me to ponder what the suits must be thinking to have the premiere episodes put in a timeslot that they know not many people are going to watch that night. In a way (Only in a way, mind you), MTV is pulling another Downtown, because they know that a great deal of it's viewers are going to be tuned in at TNN (Where WWF Raw is airing from 9pm-11pm) during Daria. That is my only complaint, but I'm letting it go, since after all, this IS MTV we're talking about (It's not even a challenge anymore).
Reheya there... watching s5 has majorly re-juiced me on the "Daria" front and *finally* after almost a full week of being on Spring Break I can return to this newsgroup, so... uh... there.
"c." wrote:
Correct. Although I did once try out WCW to humor Dad and ended up kinda not minding it. I don't think Dad even watches wrestling anymore.
Oh duuude. I'm currently listening to a classic rock radio station.
Um... which is currently totally grating on my nerves, but other times I don't mind it... (moves radio dial)... ahhh... oldies... '60s Motown, too... my poor ears needed this.
Anyway, also wanted to say that I will totally mourn "Daria"'s passing, I'll miss the show beyond immensely, and that despite all that I still see the point in having it go away at this moment. It's going to be so hard not seeing new eps of it, though. *sighs*
They *better* syndicate the whole damn thing.
Moving onto the billion other messages I haven't read yet...
You're kidding, right? I can't think of two shows that probably have *less* overlap in their audiences. I know you like them both, but I'd venture to say you're nearly alone in that. I know people who watch Daria (including me, obviously), and I know people who watch wrestling (not me), and not a single one of them would watch the other for 2 seconds.
Besides, isn't there *always* pro wrestling on some other channel, every hour of the day?
I dunno. Sure there's not a lot of audience overlap, but so much of tv ratings seems to depends on viewer inertia... the masses will be watching another day of mtv's high-quality educational programming, as per usual, then watch Daria when it comes on becuase they couldn't be bothered to change the channel. Don't underestimate viewer apathy. :) Unless of course wrestling is on. whoo hoo.
I agree! "Where on Earth is Carmen Sandiego?", the cartoon I watched, ran for nearly four years, and that was probably a pretty long run for a cartoon as well.
Thanks for pointing out that "Mork and Mindy" lasted only two seasons. I didn't remember that.
Hmm... I could of sworn it was a 2 year wonder. Mind you, I was 10-ish at the time ^_^ Maybe my parents just got sick of it, or I'm confusing it with Greatest American Hero (which went downhill when they let him meet the aliens again).
On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:26:27 -0800, [email] (Michelle Klein-Hass) wrote:
Thanks, Martin and Michelle, and thanks especially to Glenn and Abby for having the sense to end the show on proper terms, rather than to let someone else end it.
In a way, it's fitting, and reflects the high quality of the writing in the series as a whole. It's far far better to tell the story and end it properly than to let it drag on indefinitely into a never-never land of unfinished threads that go on merely for the sake of keeping the show going, like some sort of TV zombie that won't die. (I won't name names, but I can think of a few shows on FOX that fit this M.O.) There have been many shows more lauded that ended waaay too late, and became painful to watch. (Can you say MASH? I knew you could.)
Kudos to Glenn and Abby for having the decency to *not* ruin the show just for some suit's sake, than for their own sake. I'll remember the show more fondly than I would have, had they tinkered with its credibility just to stretch it out.
It's been a great ride so far. I can't wait to see how the tale ends. ;-)
Back to my hole, Rich.
Jane: Usually when I have this dream I'm wearing pink taffeta.
I also must commend Glen Eichler and Abby Terkhule for having the grace to end the story properly and for not ruining the show for "some suit's sake", as Paperpusher put it. I'll be looking forward to the end of the ride. Hope it's a good one!
When I read about the cancellation of this superb show, I was certainly crestfallen. I've known of Daria since 1994 when she was a supporting character on B&B and have adored her ever since. I was delighted beyond belief when I discovered that she was to be given her own show in early 1997 and I remember how much I enjoyed "Esteemsters", the show's initial episode, when it premiered that cold March evening. I also recall the trepidation I experienced when rumours circulated about the show's imminent cancellation during Season One. I remember the relief I felt when I found out the show was renewed for at least one more year back in early 1998. The program has given me a heck of a lot of enjoyment over the last five years and plenty of laughter. I love all the characters, although Daria and Jake are probably the two who are closest to my heart. Special thanks to Mr. Eichler, Mr. Terkhule, Ms. Lynn and Ms. Disher for their roles in the production of a remarkable show - which I would have to rate as my absolute favorite in my 34 years on this earth.
You remember when Bob Newhart went on "The Tonight Show" during the last weeks of Johnny Carson's hosting the program? Remember when he was trying to hold back all his emotions and appear serious, until he broke down almost comically?
I feel totally like Bob Newhart right now, in large part due to your message.
I didn't see Daria until her own show started. I stayed away from "Beavis & Butthead" as much as possible, not only because it was a cartoon (which at that time I wouldn't have been caught dead watching), but also because it was a (IMO) stupid cartoon. This show, on the other hand, has been more real to me than any sitcom I've seen on TV. And it's a true testament to its quality that it got even me, Ms. "I hate cartoons and my mom hates cartoons too so don't try to even get me close to a cartoon because if you do heads will roll", to adore *this* one. Not just tolerate... adore... worship... "be my icon" type stuff.
Oh great... forbidden oldie time... "please don't go... don't goooo... don't go away... please don't go... don't goooo... I'm beggin' you to stay...". *sigh* It's hard to be a sentimental fool sometimes.