Interesting news.

Here's something that was on the local news here. Apparently a teacher here (meridian, ms) was arrested because he told a student to urinate in a wastebasket and the kid actually did it. I remember teachers telling me to do this but I never actually did the deed. I think some kids have gotten in trouble in the past for doing this after the teacher told them to. Do they do this in other parts of the country? Ryan Denton A.K.A. ClockworkPear "Are you going to let your emotional life be run by Time Magazine?"-Allen Ginsberg {-_-}

wtf? pissing in bins??!?

they tell you to do it because they don't want to let you go to the bathroom. Alot of teachers want let you go unless you do it between classes. Ryan Denton A.K.A. ClockworkPear "Are you going to let your emotional life be run by Time Magazine?"-Allen Ginsberg {-_-}

ahh i see... errr, it's still a pretty silly thing to say...

On 11 Feb 2000 15:22:56 GMT, [email] (Ryan Denton) wrote:

I've heard of "Well piss in your pants if you have to, but we're not letting you go," but I've never heard of this pissing in wastebasket thing.

It's kind of the same principle when teachers say something like "If you want to keep on talking, go ahead and leave the classroom." Not many students actually do it, because it's seen as the kind of order you're not supposed to follow. Most students just shut the hell up and mutter to themselves. I don't know of actual incidents of this, but I bet there were those who actually *did* leave the room and continued talking.

Cheers, Nicole Lee

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"Dagny Scott" wrote in message news:[email]...

and

the trash

In third grade the class was putting on an idiotic Christmas play. (All school plays are idiotic.) The teacher, noting my lack of enthusiasm and/or cooperation, asked, "Do you not want to be in the play?" "No." I responded, realizing what a courageous stand I was taking. "Ok, go sit in the audience." So I sat in the first row and watched while the class went about their rehearsal, feeling rather triumphant--for about 5 minutes until the teacher called me back to the stage and re-inserted me into the chorus.

Dagny Scott wrote:

Boy I wish that choice had been made to me when I was that age...wait, no I don't, the P.E. teacher would've probably made me clean the field on school grounds and that field was *huge*. I had a similar choice in eighth grade...P.E. or become a teacher's aide and end up cleaning after 4 and 5 year olds while listening to Barney videos, and the whole teacher's aide thing appealed to me so much more.

LI

On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 23:46:20 GMT, Lady Interference wrote:

I *loved* PE. But I'm a sports freak. I think it's prove that God has a sense of humor that he put this addiction to sports into a 5'6", 115 lbs, uncoordinated frame, so PE was about the only chance I got to play anything organized. Of course, I wasn't good at anything but hockey. I *lived* for the 4 week hockey period of PE. The looks on people's faces who were used to me sucking when they realized that "yes, the *was* the puck that just zipped by your ear and into the net".

Ok, I'm done now.

Kyle, he who means well The Shane Andrews of alt.sports.baseball.chicago-cubs

In article , Kyle wrote:

Curiously enough ... I'm not at all a sport freak, am even shorter than you although I weigh about the same and am equally uncoordinated... but likewise, hockey was the only sport I was ever good at in PE and the only time it was bearable.

I was good at soccer (football outside America) but not in any professional sort of way. I simply decided that I was going through the other team, and I did. Real players could have taken the ball from me: raw aggression is no match for skill. But this was just early high school.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

"Man, as we know him, is a poor creature; but he is halfway between an ape and a god and he is travelling in the right direction." (Dean William R. Inge)

Ryan Denton wrote:

Whoa...first of all, that kid should've never gotten in trouble...he was following a teacher's order and that teacher should've been the one reprimanded because that was his order...second, I've never heard of that...was this a younger kid (someone 8th grade or younger)? Because if it was then they're not supposed to do that sort of thing...those kids don't have fully developed bladders, I don't think, and it's important for them to be allowed numerous chances for bathroom visits in a semester...like one - two visits per day.

My high school had pretty strict bathroom rules though...teachers allotted three bathroom breaks per semester in each class...seven classes a day equals out to 21 bathroom breaks in a 95 day semester...not too terribly strict but it wasn't liberal or anything....

LI, who can't believe we're talking about this (LOL)

he didn't it was the teacher who was arrested.

I'm sure it was probably a younger kid maybe in the middle school or elementary because we had more freedom in high school. Another interesting thing to note is that schools here use a blocked schedule, which means 4 periods a day, which also means 90 minute class periods. Ryan Denton A.K.A. ClockworkPear "Are you going to let your emotional life be run by Time Magazine?"-Allen Ginsberg {-_-}

Ryan Denton wrote:

Ahhhhhhhh...that's good, then. Puts responsibility on whomever is really to fault.

Yeah, my high school switched to that schedule...the year after I graduated from there. So essentially my class was the last class to graduate from there that had purely the seven-class-per-day schedule.

LI

wow. what high school did you go to? my school is cracking down on the epidemic of students- gasp- wandering around!- in the hallways. or being in the hallways. or being in the library during lunch.

Dagny

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[email] (Dagny Scott) wrote:

Students in the *library* during lunch? Scandalous! They may actually learn to think for themselves... oh, wait, never mind-- they banned all of the good books already...

rich.

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Jake: Jefferson!

Helen: Stalin.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2000 08:43:06 GMT, [email] (paperpusher) wrote:

I can just picture my high school principal in this situation "Uh-oh, we've got a student in the library....OH MY GOD HE'S HEADED FOR THE NIETCHZE!!!!!! OOOOH THE HUMANITY!!!"

Kyle, he who means well The Shane Andrews of alt.sports.baseball.chicago-cubs

We didn't have nietzche in our school library though we did have pascal and kant. And we couldn't go to the school library during lunch either, I think they locked it. But it was a crappy library anyway. Ryan Denton A.K.A. ClockworkPear "Are you going to let your emotional life be run by Time Magazine?"-Allen Ginsberg {-_-}

there's an s in nietzsche :) Anyhow our school doesn't have any real philosophy in it, I think the closest they have is a book on Ayn Rand that is in that section, and a history of philosophy. It mostly has a few reference-y titles for history and science and lots of young adult books, because they don't think we have a higher reading level than that. Or because they don't have a higher reading level than that.

Dagny

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Wow! Makes me thankful my school was about 4 minutes walk from the local university and they let anybody have borrowing privileges, provided you gave them a 30 pound book deposit. Something I made plenty of use of.

Amazingly Ms.Li hasn't done anything draconian with the bathrooms yet, but I figure it is just a matter of time before she does try somthing.

Pay Toilets Parhaps?

Contentious Objector wrote in message news:U3hp4.52543$[email]...

A more cautious person might say that you have not yet found what Ms Li has done with them....

"The High School principal who in-stalled two dozen cameras! Air fresheners with sound and vision, next, on Sick Sad World!"

Martin.

I will have to check that next time I am in the bathroom,

I don't think my school will end up on Sick Sad World, but parhaps FRONTLINE, The 5th Estate or a full page report in the Sun or a really classy documentry on SkyNews.

Ryan Denton wrote:

We could go to the library during lunchtime...then again that was mainly because we had like three shifts for lunchtime and keeping the library closed for lunchtime was unfeasable and would've meant it would've been closed for about a little more than an hour and a half, leaving many potential senior-year study hall sessions in the dark. And I never checked in the philosophy section of the library...my high school doesn't have a philosophy class and even if it did I would've never taken it since I am *so* not into that so I never bothered. We did have a really nice science section and technology section, though. Then again, we *did* have classes in those areas....

LI

In my school library, we actually had *Mein Kampf*. Which irritated me later, because I didn't read it then, and it's actually a rather hard book to find nowadays. And I'm seriously interested in World War II history, and in particular Hitler's psychology. Needless to say, Mein Kampf is a major source for both!

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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"Jordan S. Bassior" wrote in message news:[email]...

later,

find

source

I was able to find "Mein Kampf" online.

On the mountaintop, "R. K. Henry" spake thusly:

There's a copy of it hanging out at the Racine, Wisconsin public library. Until now I had no idea that there was anything at all unusual about that.

-Mindy

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Hell I found it in the local bookstore. Didn't buy it though, I was to afraid of the looks I might recieve.

Ryan Denton "Are you going to let your emotional life be run by Time Magazine?"-Allen Ginsberg{-_-}

Which makes me wonder of the point of Germany trying to restrict it. I don't think it was ever hard to get outside of Germany. They even showed "Triumph of the Will" on TV here a couple of years ago. A very powerful and skillfully made film actually, and very seductive. You have be constantly reminding yourself who these people where and what they did.

"Mike Morton" wrote in message news:[email]...

I think it's probably a book that every educated person ought to have read, just to better understand the events of the 20th century just passing. It's not bad, it's just that feeling the need for a shower after every couple of chapters slows down the read. Anyone who reads it and considers it a model for the modern world probably already has something wrong with them. I suspect there are some who are embracing its bizarre theories without having read it at all. Only losers blame all their problems on someone else.

However, it's not just a hate book. It details some very insightful ideas on the principles of political organization and rabble-rousing. No doubt about it, Hitler was a talented rabble-rouser. And he ate sugar. <G>

I can understand why some of those countries which suffered especially in the war might ban the book. However, I'm of the opinion that evil flourishes in the dark and that you have to shine the light on it to destroy it. There should be no fear of intelligent, reasonable people knowing the truth. I doubt there will be many neo-nazis among the denizens of a.t.d.

Well ... it's obvious to me that it's easier to get than I thought. Maybe I'll buy a copy, then. :)

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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In article , Mike Morton wrote:

I agree ... up to a point. In the first half of the film when they were posing as socialists, it was very easy to get caught up in it. When they broke out the swastikas though, reality reasserted itself and it became rather difficult to watch. The cinematography was still brilliant though.

The book *I* really want to find, as a Jewish person, is "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", but I refuse to give money (or web-hits!) to an anti-Semetic organisation which may be the only way to read it.

Evidently Cashen read a bit of it in college. It is very poorly written, as in long run on sentences and the like. But it's got to be allowed to be published soon, it will be public domain in a few years.

Dagny

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Dagny said:

Yes. The reason why it's hard to find is that is that the copyright devolved to the German government, and the present German government doesn't want to let it be published. They've been trying to extend the copyright for that reasons. I suppose there are pirated editions somewhere, but you'd probably have to deal with neo-Nazi loonies to find them.

The funny thing, as I see it, is that this makes *Mein Kampf* a "forbidden tome", with all the Lovecraftian implications of same. When I finally do get a copy, I will be disappointed by the non-presence of Dark Magic From Beyond Space and Time. I am rather interested in what the book may have to reveal to me about Hitler's psychology and early plans.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

"Man, as we know him, is a poor creature; but he is halfway between an ape and a god and he is travelling in the right direction." (Dean William R. Inge)

"Jordan S. Bassior" wrote in message news:[email]...

later,

find

source

I was able to find "Mein Kampf" online.

On 13 Feb 2000 04:51:40 GMT, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:

It is? I've seen it on amazon.com and you can download it from the Internet. It took me a couple of seconds to find an English translation with a search engine. I didn't find it in German, though. MSB ---- Have you seen this meal before? Restaurant Restroom Recycling - Next on SSW!

rich wrote:

Well, back in ancient times when I was in high school, the library doors were kept locked, with alarms to prevent unauthorized exits. You needed a signed pass to get in, and the pass stated how long you were allowed to be there. Excessive library use was considered a questionable activity.

Now, my kids are in the same school, and the procedure is different but the intent is the same. The library doors are still locked and wired with exit alarms. Each student in the district is issued a bar coded ID card. You need to swipe the card to get into the library. You swipe out when you're done. Each student is authorized to use the library, two hours a week. If you're over your time, your card won't unlock the door.

Extra time can be authorized by the librarian if there's "a valid reason."

The principal did give a reason for the limitation. He said that with about 1100 students in the high school, two hours per student results in 2200 student-hours/week of library use, which is about as much traffic as the library's design can handle. Each student has three "free study" hours a week, and this lets them spend two-thirds of that time in the library. So, OK I'll give them that one.

On the other hand, the school library is off-limits during non-school hours. <Tiffany voice> That's so wrong. </Tiffany voice> Fortunately, there are good free public libraries in the area. Thank you, Andrew Carnegie.

Peace Kevin

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You're right: you are fortunate. In the county I grew up in, and I think in many counties in the UK, sometime in the sixties or seventies, the running of libraries was taken away from education departments. They were put into the control of Leisure Services departments. The library I used as a child sprouted racks of pulp romances, while new acquisitions in the rest of the library seemed to dry to a trickle.

<wanders off muttering about bread and circuses>

Martin.

On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 23:50:47 GMT, Lady Interference wrote:

Dammit. What kind of stupid regulations are those? In both my elementary and my high school you just asked to go to the bathroom and went. And I think that's the way it should be. MSB ---- Have you seen this meal before? Restaurant Restroom Recycling - Next on SSW!

Ryan Denton (ClockworkPear) wrote:

Actually, the incident took place Wednesday in Montgomery, AL (my hometown -- why, oh why, is Alabama ALWAYS making national news only when something incredibly STUPID happens?!) at Cloverdale Junior High School. The teacher, Mr Carey Jones, refused to let the student (13-year-old Ryan Calhoun) go to the bathroom after the kid asked to go to the bathroom 3 times within the hour. Jones told Ryan that if he had to go to the bathroom, he could pee in the wastebasket. Ryan, who was unable to hold it in anymore, did just that -- he urinated in the wastebasket in front of about 20 other classmates. Jones then told Ryan to dump the wastebasket outside, which Ryan did. {Here's where my blood boiled:} Ryan was then SUSPENDED for 5 days for his actions; however, the suspension was overturned when Jones admitted that he had refused to let Ryan go to the restroom, but Jones claims that he was only kidding when he told Ryan to pee in the wastebasket.

Last night, Jones was arrested & charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor. He is currently free on bail. Ryan Calhoun & his parents are suing for infliction of emotional distress & invasion of privacy; the Calhouns aren't suing so much for money as to get Mr. Jones removed from the school system.

I'll keep y'all posted on this case as it progresses.

Cricket

Thanks for setting me straight. Ryan Denton A.K.A. ClockworkPear "Are you going to let your emotional life be run by Time Magazine?"-Allen Ginsberg {-_-}