What have we here? GummyBear6969

Kyle, Kyle, Kyle

Do you know what Slander is?

What is this, the 3rd time you have accussed my of Trolling?

Lets see, the first time you acussed me of trolling it turned out to be some idiot in Germany who still posts here ocationally

The second time you acused me of trolling it turned out to be some girl in Ireland.

And now we have GummyBear6969,

First of all, above all else, I would never call my self GummyBear6969

Second of all, when that message was posted I was above the Atlantic Ocean no where near an internet connection and while I was in the UK the past week I had access to my email via my Newton but that was about it.

Third, And I just want to say this a second time because it is of Grave importance, I would never call myself GummyBear6969.

Now lets get more Technical shall we?

First of all,

IP Address:

I have two, The IP address on this PC is 24.68.242.216, The IP address on my Macintosh is 24.91.181.78. These are both fixed and do not change. If you look at any of my posting they would have originated from either of these address

The message was sent from: Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.197.35 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jul 10 23:16:53 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Mac_PowerPC) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x51.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.66.197.35 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDgummybear6969 Xref: newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com alt.tv.daria:30031138

Alright, What does this say, This says one the message was sent from @Home , Although I use @Home so do 16 million other people.

Then, There is the time. When this was posted I was onboard a 767 bound for Montreal from London. If anyone like I will happily scan in and post a photo of my airline ticket.

Then, There is the Client, If you look at any post of mine originating on my Macintosh you will find it would have been posted with Outlook 4.5 meaning I would also have IE 4.5 installed. This individual was using IE 5.0 which I have not installed because it's interface makes me want to puke.

And Finally we have the message it's self.

First: It is Contentious Objector, meaning Vulgar, Contravercial, Offencive or spiteful. A conscience objector was one of those drugged up idiots who fled to Canada or Mexico during the Vietnam War. I myself would have bombed vietnam back to the stoneage.

Second: If I wrote it I would have included a long winded attack on Kyle, a MUCH longer attack on Lady Interferace and that weird German guy who posts the nudie daria pictures. I would have also included a nice long essay on the glory of communism to piss off that Gratchman guy.

Third: This is not the first post to speculate I am female or have multipul personalities. I was born November 5th 1982, My birth certificate says male, my passport says I am male, my drivers liscence says I am male and physical characteristics would sugest the same and a psychological assesment I had in November of last year stated I am of sound mind.

And I am certainly not Missy Agrivation, what did this person think, I would post some thing here then hop on the concord and post something from the UK?

Forth: I agree with 6969's death penalty comments, although preaching the death penalty in Italy would be FAR more dangerious than it would be in England.

Fifth: MACS SUCK, Okay, I am myself a Macintosh user, I certainly would not say that.

Sorry GummyBear, Try Again

Oh Oh, I should add, sfba in the following line stands for San Fransisco Bay Area.

Contentious Objector wrote: <snip...oh, whatever>

Oh yes, it's so nice to see some cheap potshots being thrown here in the middle of your self-defense. Mmm hmm. Try to get me to defend your happy ass next time...just *try*. The Arctic chill you'll get in return will rival the coldest of your winters.

Gawd, you're now just about as annoying as that Gummybear person.

LI (btw -- you are *so* on my shit list now)

On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 02:46:39 GMT, Lady Interference wrote:

Ah, come on, LI. Give him a break. He was just being honest about himself. I don't mind a bastard, so long as he aknowleges it. It can be fun arguing with a self-aknowledged bastard. ;)

What pisses me off is when someone behaves in a most unsociable, self centered manner, and no matter how much you try to explain it to them, they insist you are wrong, they are right, they are in the right, and won't go away. Grachman is not like this.

i don't remember it turning out to be someone in germany.

????

unless you were pretending to be someone else.

X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Mac_PowerPC)

now correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't that mean gummy bear was using a mac?

You know, M.S.B. that weird guy, Kyle claimed one of his threads was mine

in

Yes. I only think she posted once

Not even then.

not

Obviously, Your point being?

I remember a rather obvious attempt of MSB's at trolling (he made no effort to cover it up, so i assume it was meant to be obviously him) and you made a point about "busting" him, but i don't recall anyone accusing you of doing it (especially as it was obviously MSB).

Surely if you were pretending to be someone else, you'd pick a name you DON'T like.

if he says "macs suck" and turns out to be a mac user, that would imply that he likes macs really, which means it's definitely a troll. his being a mac user makes it more likely to be you.

You are really starting to Aggravate Me!

Taking a page from the Redneck Cop handbook are we Alli? Isn't this like saying a fancy car is stolen just because a black guy is driving it?

Are we bigoted against Mac users Alli?

For the record John Major, Jack Straw and Red Ken are also Mac users, you have about as much proof linking them to the trolling as you have linking me to it.

The post in Question originated from a person using @Home in the San Fransisco Area

I havn't been to San Fransisco since I was 11, and I was far far away from any Internet connection, Well I guess I could have used the skyphone but that is almost 2 Pounds a minute!

On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:38:21 GMT, "Contentious Objector" wrote:

<snip entire fucking thread>

People, can we be a bit more cautious in our accusations? There is presently a very skilled group of *outsider* trolls making the rounds on various groups, or at least, there was a while ago. Let's not allow them to tear at this group as they have at others.

If someone is trolling, the worst thing you can do is say, "Hey look, a Troll! Let's all flame the Troll! Big flamewar on the Troll!" The reason for this is that others may not see it that way, and proceed to flame you in defense of the alleged Troll. Hence, a nasty flamewar begins, and the Troll, if he is such, has succeeded at his attempt. If it turns out he's *not* a troll, but simply someone who was misinterpreted, then the flamewar is completely and utterly pointless.

However, if you are *really* creative at flaming, sometimes it is worth doing. LI did an excellent job a few posts back. ;)

Grachman and Contentious Objector, while they may be a bunch of unholy bastards (no offense intended ;), are still regulars. They are fans of Daria, as far as I can tell. They have some... shall we say... misguided ideas ;p, but they are not trolls.

And if one of them *does* happening to be using alternate identities as troll masks, the best way to deal with it is to recognize that the identities are completely illigetimate, and treat them as such (much like people without SINs in "Shadowrun." They do not truely exist, and thus, are not worth responding to (in public). ;)

no, sweetheart. it's like saying that the guy seen driving a stolen car was black, so you're looking for a black person.

hahaha. yes actually, but that's irrelevant here.

it seems like something you would do. i think it was you. i don't need proof, because i'm not going to do anything about it. if i was going to mail your ISP and tell them you were trolling, that would be wrong, but i'm not.

that's nice dear. how do i know you weren't in SF?

Sweetheart? I thought you thought I was a troll, I didn't know you cared, now I fell kinda bad.

Okay, This I have to hear, Did an Apple bite you when you were little? Are you one of the stupid kids sho stuck their finger in the Apple IIe floppy drive while it was reading the disk?

It isn't my place to tell you what to do with your life but I would advise very strongly against becoming a police officer or crown attorney.

<Criminal Courts> Defence Lawyer: Did you actually see the defendant shoot the victim P.C. Alli: No Defence Lawyer: Do you have any evidence the defendant shot the victim P.C. Alli: No, It just seemed like something the defendant would do

Yeah, you found me out, Instead of going home after the trans-atlantic flight I caught a plane to San Fransisco just so I could troll alt.tv.daria

it's not the computers themselves, i've not used a mac in years, it's just that mac users are often obsessive. i was being facetious there anyhow, i don't have a phobia of mac users or anything, hah.

poor analogy; trolling is something trivial, shooting people is not.

eh?

Maybe you should try it, you can get an entry level iMac for about �600 +vat . It's not like you will wake up the next day and start wearing nothing but turtle necks, picking fights with PC users or worshipping Steve Jobs.

I was also being facetious, it seems you will be unable to prove I was the troll and I will be unable to convince you I am not the troll there is probably no point in continuing this.

haha, that's good i guess. though i haven't got �600, so, yeah.

indeed. well i am not certain it was you but i'm not really bothered.