I got that impression too. But what really drove me crazy was how they seemed fixated on Janeane Garofalo. I mean, she isn't on the show, fer cryin' out loud, and how many times does she need to repeat that she doesn't voice Daria anyhow? I thought that took up a gigantic chunk of time that could've been used for more interview or overview time.
Did you too clap when she transitioned from Jane to Quinn to Helen all in one time? I clapped twice...once when I first saw the special and again when I oversaw my tape recording. That in fact was my fave part of the whole deal...well, that and actually finding out how the actors looked. I'm not surprised by most, I gotta say.
My guess is that they wanted to create an aura of suspense by revealing a tiny little bit about s4, but not enough for us to really deduce what exactly's gonna happen. And since they didn't say one way or another about any new character introductions, they left even more to the imagination.
I'm glad she's back too. Heck, I'm glad to finally see her in the flesh. And yeah, Tracy is Tracy. Certainly not what I had expected, but as I'd seen a pic of her before and seen a tiny bit of her from the MTV News Special, can't say I was surprised. I think hers was a bit of a downer, really. Glad to see that Wendy Hoopes wasn't, though. Neither was Jessica Cyndee Jackson, really. Julian Rebolledo (sp?) looked a bit younger than I was expecting but that too wasn't surprising.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that. I like the woman,but man,she got old really quick.
I'm just glad she's the actual voice and not a replacement,which is what I feared.I wonder if she's done any voice work in the past.She seems like a pro.
I wasn't surprised much....except how much Jessica Cyndee Jackson sounded like Jodie.I thought it was a voice,not the real thing.
You know,now that I think about it I wonder exactly HOW they're going to handle this.It doesn't appear as straightforward as I thought before.
Well,we've seen her a number of times before,so the surprise is gone.
On 19 Feb 2000 03:58:05 GMT, [email] (JMorris830) wrote:
I, for one, don't think so. I thought it was so totally cool she agreed to host the show, I literally jumped around my apartment squealing that they got Janeane to host it (I hope I didn't spook any neighbours). And c'mon, she only hosted ONE other Daria Day show, so it's not like she's *constantly* on it. Yes, there's this great fanaticism about Janeane's connection with the show, but its not their fault, its the fans. Let's face it, it's totally OUR fault that contributed to the Janeane-Daria connection. I doubt the show had Janeane in mind, and I doubt Janeane had some kind of relationship with any of the MTV folks. As far as I'm concerned, I am goddamn proud that Janeane thinks of Daria the same way we do. The repetition of the fact that she does not voice Daria was for *humor*, she's a comedian after all. I found it very funny because I had not realized until that point that she even REALIZED that people thought Daria was her. I didn't know Janeane really even bothered with the whole thing. But her appearance here clearly showed to me that she is a fan. And that has solidified my respect for her even more.
Besides, I so totally loved her dialog with Tracy at the end of the show. DISCO TUESDAY! Yeah!
That was so amazing. I have such a huge amount of respect for her after watching that. Imagine doing the MUSICAL! She'd have to change her voices constantly! She should win some kinda award for voice acting, really.
Gosh that so totally shocked me too. She even *looks* a tiny bit like Jodie, it was spooky! I too thought it was just a voice thing, not her actual speaking voice. Spoooky.
Yeah. Daria having a "relationship"? It's almost too much to bear.
I guess so. That's probably 'cause she's this tall blonde chick and we don't associate that with our favorite cynic. But hey, who says blondes can't be cynical?
Another note on the show: Did you think it was just a TAD ironic that they modeled some of the characters after actors/actresses in teen shows like Dawson's Creek and 90210? It was rather surprising. I suppose it fitted the characters that were portrayed (eg. cheerleaders and escorts).
And that whole Trent thing.. all those clips of Trent and Daria, and Anne D. Bernstein saying that she has been assigned the role of 'shipper story writer.. it almost felt like they were doing that *just* for the 'shippers indulgence. And what was the deal with showing a picture of Trent RIGHT AFTER they said that Daria would have a "relationship" this season? I mean, it's pretty impossible for any relationship to happen at this point.. Or is it? Damn sneaky bastards, they KNEW we'd suffer over this!
It was so great to see everyone else too.. like Janie Mertz, Marc Thompson, and that Julian guy who does Jake's voice (I can't remember his name). Tres cool.
I just thought it was rather unfortunate that they didn't include every interview in there because of time constraints. As those who watched the Daily Dose episodes know, quite a few clips didn't make it into the special. Like the clip of Alvaro mentioning that he liked Trent and Daria together, and the clip which showed Janie voicing Sandi. Maybe they'll release some kind of Director's cut version of the show on video? Oh wait, this is MTV we're talking about. Guess not.
I'm still reeling from the sheer joy I felt when watching the show. I was so totally hyped up for it. I guess this is what happens after such a long draught.. I can't wait until the premiere; I'd probably jump through the roof with happiness.
Okay. I'll take my medication now. :)
Cheers, Nicole Lee
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The only thing they've got to watch here is that it doesn't become shmaltzy.Since Daria is Daria,I think it would be interesting and funny to see her try to navigate through a romance. As to the possiblity of it being Trent....the clip they showed had Daria answering the door.Trent is there and he says "I need your help." Daria says, "Take a number." Or something like that.Is this a subtle message?
Also I'd seen her picture in an article in the New York Post prior to the start of the second season. So I know what she looks like.Now if they were showing her for the first time on the special......
I didn't really notice that.They didn't look that similar to the people they were modeled after. I guess I need to look more carefully.
Again,we don't know what's going to happen. Personally,you've got a good thing just hinting at the possibility-why spoil it by actually making it come true? If the actuality of Daria's going out with someone were to somehow break through Trent's obliviousness and make him think about his feelings concerning Daria.....good thing Anne's back with the show.
I agree.It makes the characters seem more human when you experience the actors.
It seemed like they had a lot and couldn't get it all in...unless they do a sequel.Yeah right.
I was in anxiety mode as it creeped towards 10pm.It'll probably be worse Friday. :)
No they're not. I'm blonde and no one was ever nice to me. Instead, everyone concentrated full-time to figuring out how to make my life a living hell. I never saw any good at all coming from my fellow human beings. I suppose that might have made me cynical.
I was talking mostly from a female perspective- like look at who they have crying on news shows. Always blond girls. People feel worse when a tragedy happens to a blond girl than when it happens to a brunette. It's part of the collective unconscious or something.
Dagny
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Dunno. Bound to be rerun again, though, as are most MTV specials. If you just want to see that part, though, someone did a RealVideo of it and put it up online. I can't remember the URL offhand but I'm sure someone'll come to your rescue ("won't you come on down to my, won't you come on down to my rescue"...100 points to the person who can guess the artist and title).
Hey, I think Alvaro J. Gonzalez (the voice of Trent) is CUTE. Downright adorable, in fact. He's dashing in a Hector Elizondo kind of way. At least that's what I think. I could certainly go for him.
*giggle*
You know, I can accept blondes being smart. Even though so few at my high school and college were/are. But cynical? I don't think so. Maybe there are one or two exceptions but the rest...nah.
*giggle* I think it's already been pointed out that that scene came out of "Jane's Addition". And...I'm a *DEFINITE* 'shipper but I don't think the relationship should happen until the final season of the show, maybe around the last couple eps or so. And since I want the show to be on for a VERY long time, that could be a VERY long wait. Enough time for Daria to form other relationships.
I think it's Julian Rebolledo. Is he of Hispanic or Italian descent? I can't make up my mind.
Heh, DeMartino's always fun. I can picture him now..."I can't BELIEVE those IMBECILES at MTV CHOSE to virtually IGNORE my POSITIVE attributes."
Ummmmm...they at least didn't talk over the closing credits on the special. We should at least be thankful for that. Or maybe not. That was a pretty dumb part of the program IMO. *shrugs* The thought that counts, all that.
On the mountaintop, Lady Interference spake thusly: *snip*
It is my opinion that Daria _should_ have a few relationships before she begins dating Trent, if she ever does. To have her enter a relationship with Trent as an inexperienced teenager would probably place a _lot_ of stress on the relationship, and make both of them feel very awkward. Awkwardness can play a large part in destroying relationships before they truly begin, and a Daria-Trent relationship would probably fall prey to it...
I don't know that this is such an issue. First of all, we don't really know that Daria's never dated anyone (actually, we know that she's dated at least two people, but I mean "more than once"). Secondly, I don't think Daria's awkward around Trent anymore. Thirdly, Trent has never been awkward around Daria.
On Wed, 01 Mar 00 23:03:31 GMT, [email] (Mindy) wrote:
So you're promoting starting relationships just for practice and then go "Oh, sorry, I don't really like you. I just wanted to practice with you so that I have better chances with my real love!"? That's disgusting! And I don't think Daria would start any relationships intended to be temporary.
MSB
p.s.: I'm currently working very hard to deal with the fact that my first true love suddenly decided that she takes our relationship a lot less serious than she made me believe it was and she didn't really mean it when she answered 'yes'. Well, I needed a new bed anyway. Who cares if it's 2 feet too wide. And being able to spread out your arms while lying down is kinda cool.
p.p.s.: Does anybody know where I can order cyanide?
p.p.p.s.: I know that wasn't funny. It wasn't meant to be.
p.p.p.p.s.: Will DariaCon offer a funeral service? Dead or alive, I wouldn't want to miss The Convention.
p.p.p.p.p.s.: HELP ME! I'M FEELING SO LEFT ALONE!
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I don't think she would. And I don't think that was Mindy's point either.
I'm sorry to hear about what happened to you. I know it hurts now, but I'm sure that in time you'll meet someone who loves you more deeply, and appreciates your love for her.
Don't mind Jordan. He likes thinking he knows everyone's future. And everyone's past. And everyone in states he's never visited. And if he tries to reply, too bad, because he's killfiled. Of course you guys have to keep responding to him...
Not that I don't think what he said is possible, but it's presumptious to say anything will happen and rather insulting to blow everything off with "you'll get over it".
Dagny
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I think MSB's a nice guy and that some other girl will realize this in time. That seems like a pretty safe prediction.
I predict that you will breathe tomorrow. Oh, and probably eat, sleep, and excrete. Aren't I presumptuous?
I wasn't saying that what happened to MSB was trivial. I was saying that in the long run, he'd be happy again. What are you suggesting, that he should never get over it?
You're being really nasty, Dagny, and you're lucky that I'm too nice to get really personal with you in a public forum. You can block *me* all you like, but I'm not going to stop talking or posting to other people on this board just because you're in a snit. Heck, I won't even stop replying to your posts. So there! :P
(laughs) If that's truly being nasty, I fear for the person who stumbles onto my attempt at flaming myself on the Alter Egos board at the Zoid Homeworld (http://pub8.ezboard.com/bthezoidhomeworld). At least I've read the original guidebook on "How to Flame" (on a site called Smack Hits), and at least I've had some experience with flaming along with people with some serious attitude.
Oh yeah, and I retook the Bitch Test and I scored 63% this time. :P LOL.
It's a good thing you're on my good side, Jordan. :) Anyone who's on my good side, I will fight to protect. Anyone who's on my bad side...well, that's a different story...let's just say I stop flaming them in jest....
On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 20:04:06 GMT, Lady Interference wrote:
Double-dare...
I got close to that, and I couldn't even qualify for a third of the questions. (What with not having any actual friends to backstab, lovers to manipulate or any concievable means of getting pregnant.)
Threats don't work on me. Nor do flames. But I respect you to much.
On 06 Mar 2000 21:45:06 GMT, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:
Which brings us back to my (and probably someone else's, too) main problem. I don't meet other girls. Seriously, where and how can you meet my Daria-type dream girl? This forum is the only place I know. And almost everyone here is from a different continent (which is understandable since few people visit forums where tv show episodes are discussed that they won't see till 6 months later) Guess where I met my ex-fiancee (brr, what an ugly word). Here. And guess why it didn't work. She went back to the US (and for several reasons I couldn't go with her, even though I would have).
Maybe Outpost Daria (as one of the most popular sites, that's probably being visited by people from all over the world unlike this forum) should install a Daria friendship finder with email addresses sorted by countries (and sexual alignment :-). I was just recently mailed by a fellow Daria fan in Munich. There are Darianites around every corner. The trouble is finding them.
But I guess for the moment contact ads are my only option, although I doubt that a girl like Daria reads contact ads. Maybe to amuse herself about their idiocy. How about this one:
CYNICAL? Smart? Creative? Lonely? Shallow herd gatherings don't do for you? Looking for a soulmate? Mail me at [email]
The CYNICAL (to be typeset in boldface) is supposed to be an eye catcher and make it clear what type of person I'm looking for. The rest of the ad should be different enough from the usual superficial ads that are just about height, weight, looks, age (I care about none of those) to make it interesting even for a person like Daria. The email address finally is a signal to Daria fans. Of course it only works if someone like her reads it. Any suggestions to improve it (especially to compress it even further, it's a bit long) are welcome.
MSB
p.s.: The email address from above ad is valid. Messages are welcome (No matter which country, although European is preferred).
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It's nothing he did on this board, I just really don't want to hear from him. I don't like talking to people who think an entire region can be completely understood by his prejudice alone. I don't even buy the "I want to help you" because you shouldn''t want to help people, you just do. He rejoices at every misfortune because he wants his ego to know he's "helped you". His actions are constantly the exact opposite of everything he claims to believe. He laughs at anyone with morals, and dismisses any stand I make as stupid and immature. He cares more about being liked than having ideals, yet won't admit that.
Dagny
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When did I ever say that? Jordan has never been "on my side". Perhaps I've shared an opinion with what his opinions claim to be (his real opinions are as much of a mystery as Bill Clinton's real opinions)...
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
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I have been, and still am when it comes to important life matters. What I'm not willing to do is hate Diane just because you had a tiff with her. Or Stephen just because you refuse to speak to him on the phone.
On 07 Mar 2000 20:07:35 GMT, [email] (Dagny Scott) wrote:
Perhaps my memory is tricky, but back when you thought we all hated you and wanted you gone you kept referring to Jordan as the only one who wanted you here, or something like that.
Kyle, he who means well The Shane Andrews of alt.sports.baseball.chicago-cubs
I think Jordan was saying that he was the only one who wanted her here, and Dagny was saying he wasn't. But I can't remember that well. Mmmmm.... selenium pills :)
The very idea is fairly dubious. The only time I felt repressed enough by a misunderstanding you all took too far was mostly Jordan's fault, so I sure as hell wouldn't have said anything like that.
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
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Just out of more-or-less idle curiosity, what IS your side Dagny? From what I've read of your postings and your essays I can't say that I would materially disagree with you most of the time, but I didn't know that we were choosing up sides here.
I don't particularly want to choose sides. I don't know why, because I happen to have had a private argument with a member of the newsgroup, we HAVE to choose sides. Mostly, I was explaining that any response Jordan made to my post would not be read. I don't think there needs to be sides here. I'm not going to tell y'all not to be friends with Jordan to be friends with me. If you live on a coast and are over thirty you can't ever have most of the problems I had with him anyway.
I don't think I need a side. I'm not declaring war. I'm just not talking to Jordan. I don't need any more stress in my life.
Dagny
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I do help my friends. That's part of "friendship," as far as I'm concerned.
I didn't rejoice at your misfortune, Dagny. Nor at any other friend's (I won't claim to be so virtuous as not to rejoice at an *enemy's* misfortune, but I have never considered you to be my "enemy").
I know just *which* misfortune you're thinking of ... and if I by word or deed made it seem like I was "rejoicing," in any way shape or form, I apologize for it.
I've never laughed at you.
No, I don't. I do think that *this PARTICULAR* stand you're making isn't the wisest or most mature one you could be making, though.
I admit to caring *both* about "being liked" *and* "having ideals." I care both about people and ideas. I'd be rather monstrous if I didn't care about people, wouldn't I?
You know, at first when I saw your post I thought, "Awwww, poor babe, he's been unlucky in the romance department," but then after awhile of musing it over I was like, "Well, why *was* he unlucky? Was there something he could've done or was this the other person's doing?", and now that I see this post, I believe I have the answer, and that's that you've probably got unrealistic expectations, handed down to you by your mother. I could be wrong, but that's the way I'm looking at it.
Oh yeah, and NO one's gonna love you unconditionally like your parents have. That's their role...well, that, and preparing you for the real world. The person you should be vigilant about keeping is the person who loves you through most of your faults yet still can constructively criticize you, the person who won't mind your bottlecap collection but who still feels you need to work on your table manners.
LI
p.s.: I know you're probably not the "weakling" type (as in, "oh look at poor little me, I'm so weak and helpless"), but here's a tip for those who are...get over it. It's not attracting anyone but the wrong types.
On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 19:48:51 GMT, Lady Interference wrote:
You're completely wrong about my mother. She is the person who understands me the least. We are completely different. I'm not looking for that type of woman. The "Hi mom." thing was just a (poor) punchline to Jordan's comment, nothing more.
The reason why my relationship failed is that I'm here in Europe and she is from the US. I figured that her visit here would be my only chance to a make a move so I tried to rush it even though my rational mind told me it wouldn't work (I, myself, predicted a split up scenario weeks before, that turned out to be 80% accurate). That was my mistake. Her mistake was not blocking me off from the beginning. So we ended up as fiances after just a few months of email conversation and a couple weeks living together. This is what it comes down to. The reasons why it could come so far are more complicated. On my part it was mostly too much imagination and too little experience as in my 23 years I've never been seriously interested in girls (or guys for that matter) till I met her. Although I hate to admit it, Mindy might be right after all. Of course this doesn't mean that I'll start random dating now just to increase my experience. I think I've gained more experience than I ever wanted already. On her part it was most probably her difficult life situation (which I won't discuss here) at that time that made her susceptible to my advances.
So I'd say your first impression was right. I've stuck my hand into the romance beehive and got stung. I need to mention (again) that this is all a.t.d's fault. I was perfectly happy living a life as a mushroom before I came here and started thinking.
MSB
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Many apologies, MSB. Your message got a bit muddled in my brain, 'tis all. I am truly sorry about the course of your former relationship and have the utmost confidence that with your intellect and ability to communicate, you'll find your Daria soon enough. Until then...keep on dreaming...and as Simon LeBon sang, "learn to love your anger now, anger here is all you possess...welcome to the edge". Unless you're sad, then I'd say sing to yourself, "I won't cry for yesterday, there's an ordinary world somewhere I have to find".
p.s.: You're definitely on my good side. So if anyone starts giving you shit, e-mail a forward of it and I'll take care of it. I've definitely got your back, and my 63% bitchness (increasing even still).
On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 23:55:01 GMT, Lady Interference wrote:
Yikes! A message that addresses me personally in the subject line. Creepy.
And I'm sorry for muddling your brain (whatever that means).
I guess, both are valid. You know, depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.
Thank you for your offer but I have my own set of fangs (although I rarely use them). Besides, one of the major problems with this world is that most people care so little about another person's feelings that they won't even bother making fun of him or her.
Thanks a lot for your concern. Although concern from a lonely single girl in Europe would be a lot better :-) MSB
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*chuckle* How I felt when I first got addressed online.
No, no, it was my mistake wholly. If I'd read closer I'd have realized better.
Oh yeah, heard that one before. Well, keep both in mind then.
No problem, just offering. I got your back, all that.
*giggle* I'll have to remember that. ("Inside jokes galore in cyberspace or sick attempts at 'insider' humor? Parodying newsgroup regulars, next on 'Sick Sad World'!")
No prob, once again. And...I'm sure there's a lonely single girl in Europe who's lurking in the newsgroup, or who will sometime in the immediate future. You never know. :)
On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 20:10:04 GMT, Lady Interference wrote:
Of course she's there. Unfortunately, if she's really my soulmate she's thinking that the last thing she'll do is email someone who is so shallow to place contact ads.
And I'm sure she tries to consciously avoid relationships, telling herself that this whole boyfriend-girlfriend crap is something she doesn't need and want (actually it's something I don't need or want, either. I'm looking for a soulmate, NOT a girlfriend). She thinks that she's perfectly happy alone. I, myself, had been perfectly happy (or thought I was) for 23 years without any _real_ friend (meaning someone who would still call me to say "hallo" even though we don't meet in school every day anymore) at all, neither male nor female. I would still be perfectly happy had not this stupid Daria/Trent Helen/Jake discussion half a year ago made me think about my loneliness.
Or maybe she's just too shy. Although it's less understandable with the anonymity of email, shyness is still a factor. I feel very nervous about sending someone I don't know an email. And there's the factor of not knowing what to say. Well, my Daria-soulmate, if that is the problem, just send me an empty email and let me start the conversation, okay? Nothing to lose, right?
Or perhaps she's sitting in a different country and thinks a cross-country relationship can't work. If that is your concern, my Daria-soulmate, wherever you are, I want to tell you that I'm confident that it can work. As long as it's within the EU, it's affordable to meet in person regularly. And as I'm not looking for a movie-burger-backseat-boyfriend-girlfriend-relationship but something deeper, a mostly email and phone-based relationship will do fine. And when I'm finished with studying I don't mind relocating to another country (I'm really good at learning languages).
Or maybe she thinks she's too fat, too ugly, too young, too old, has the wrong race or cup size or whatever. Please, Daria-soulmate, wherever you are, just send me a little email. The worst thing that can happen is a little chitchat. I don't care about your weight, looks, cup size, race (human is preferred), nationality or age. Think about it. Is being alone really so cool? Don't you sometimes feel the need to talk to someone who understands you and who thinks like you?
MSB
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She might e-mail you based on the wonderful personality and keen creative intellect you have revealed on this forum. And it might work out better next time. You have to keep trying.
It doesn't have to be crappy. It can be wonderful.
On 09 Mar 2000 00:47:46 GMT, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:
If "USE" is the keyword here, I think that violates my strong sense of ethics. But if you insist:
Ah, dear Jordan. We've been friends on this forum for so long now. And, you know, I'm a bit short on cash. Can you lend me $1000? Thanks. You're a real friend :-)
MSB (who vows to _use_ more people in future)
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Well, Matt...I can see you've gotten over this very quickly. How hypocritical of you to profess your undying love for me in one breath and then spew out trite personal ads the next. Maybe you should delete all those pictures of me. I wouldn't want your SOULMATE to think you were unfaithful.
And if you all think this is so personal, why the hell aren't you telling Matt the same thing? He's written several quite long posts boo-hooing about me leaving, but I'm not allowed to defend myself or justify my reasons for leaving? Talk about hypocrisy.
Trust me, I know what hypocrisy means. I certainly don't have to have anyone attempt to explain it away. MSB was spilling his private emotions and feelings onto a public forum, yeah, but at least he had the common decency to not name names. You were the one who turned this private thing into a "way too private" thing by coming out as the "heartbreaker". Private e-mail, please. No more discussion.
Why not, Matt? Afraid that someone might see it from MY POV and realize I was right to leave? I personally don't care who knows about my shitty life, so don't fob that off as a convenient excuse for not telling the entire truth about the relationship. I agreed to go to Germany because at the time, I had nothing going for me here. I was having trouble with my family and my ex-boyfriend, and was living in my car for about 2 months. The first time you proposed to me, I said no, and you promptly began pleading and whining...as if acting like a kindergartner would really endear yourself to me. But, needless to say, when the time came that I had to leave, guess who talked me into staying? Unfortunately, I was forced into taking a German course that nobody asked me about first, which really upset me. I went ahead and took it anyway, even though in my opinion it was a waste of your money, since I still can't put together a simple sentence to save my life. I was extremely unhappy in Germany, and finally, I decided I wanted to go back home. Then came the crying, pleading, whining, and even trying to bargain with me (a job where I wouldn't have to speak German? Get real.) so that I would stay where I wasn't happy to begin with. I have a lot going for me here now, I'm joining the Job Corps to become a medical assistant, and then the Air Force, to become a doctor. I don't care if you don't like my decision, but I am not going to give up MY dreams to further someone else's (i.e. YOUR) happiness.
The fact of the matter is, I will not put up (and certainly not spend the rest of my days) with someone who is as immature, whiny, and self-centered as you. I still do care about you, a lot, but you were the one at fault in the relationship, and I would really appreciate it if you would make that clear, instead of twisting your "Poor me, I've been dumped" postings into something that makes me out to be the bad guy.
Yeah ok :) point taken, actually I bought the trillagy pack last year for much the same reason....So does this mean that the a,t,d army is gonna go on the rampage and shoot people cause we all play Doom ?
Humm didn't someone say they where gonna do a Daria Doom WAD ?
What the bloody hell is that, then? To me that's akin to me saying to you guys, "Oh, come on, don't tell me you don't know what 'gorging your sanhedralite' means!"
Agreed, although I wasn't going to say anything. What about saying "gee, you guys all know about noncylic photophosphorylation, right?" I just love that term actually. Noncyclic photophosphorylation
BTW, you're rapidly developing a rather large .sig file, aren't you, Diane? You could go up against the person on alt.books.james-joyce with a couple hundred lines of Rike.
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Whoo hoo, we can both be ignorant together, on the Giant Quest for Knowledge.
btw -- what *IS* "noncyclic photophosphorylation"? I could venture some guesses but as midterms have fried my brain I can't even comprehend basic algebra at this moment. ;)
*giggle* It's listed in the "Zoid Collective Handbook" (see: link under my Zoid Designation number) that one must attain for as long a .sig as possible. I'm simply fulfilling my role in a non-Collective atmosphere. And now that I have verification, I shall skip merrily.
Simon explained in an interview (I'm going by memory here) that "gorging" is akin to "filling up" in this lyric, the reference to "sanhedralite" is in reference to the Sanhedrin, which I *THINK* he said is the ruling body in Judaism, and that somehow this all refers to teachings of love (loving your neighbor, loving your lover, loving your relatives, etc.), which somehow equates "sanhedralite" with "belief in love", and that "gorging your sanhedralite" is equivalent to "filling up your heart with love". I'm glad you caught the reference. I was trying to remember if you were one of the other Duranies on board here. (btw -- I listen to "To the Shore" quite a lot when I'm trying to navigate difficult traffic...breathing in and out to the rhythm of the song is tantamount to deep breathing exercises and thusly it calms me down.
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:47:36 GMT, Lady Interference wrote:
I thought everybody would know the computer game DOOM because the media left out no opportunity to blame this game for the Columbine shooting. It's an ego-shooter like Wolfenstein 3D (the best one ever made, I've heard some company is doing a remake, I can't wait to get a copy), Quake, Heretic, Hexen, Duke Nukem 3D,... and the kids that did the shooting had it on their computers (like millions of others). In the game you walk around with guns and shoot stuff. There are editors available with which you can create new scenarios, for instance build a 3D model of your school and replace the monster graphics with pics of your teachers and classmates. MSB
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As well as the various pundits that popped up after the shootings, like your friend and mine, Orrin Hatch. (/Sarcasm)
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Which is, of course, like saying that a paper and pencil allow you to draw a picture of yourself hacking your classmates to bits. It's all a matter of what the tools are used for.
Personally, I know what it is (an action computer game), but I know none of the details of play. I don't play computer or video games. I don't necessarily have anything against them, I just never opted to indulge in them. And my sons play mostly sports related games. So, I'll miss any DOOM (and other video game) references completely. Or at least, I won't understand them. I won't miss them at all.
i've played doom once but that was so long ago all i can remember is that i didn't like it. my boyfriend is always trying to get me to show some interest in computer games (specifically quake atm) but so far he's failed. ;)
i've not played that one, he seems to like it.. he used to play Stars a lot, but he's just got a new computer so he's trying all these games that his old computer couldn't take. speaking of which, we're getting a new computer soon. :-D
Doom has a good story line - it's surprising they've never made it into a film. But like all these things, the game itself comes down to scary alien monsters attacking you whilst you try and gun them down. In essence none of them are any different from the original space invaders arcade game. The worst one I'd say is HalfLife, as it really makes you jump, it's just like the film Alien in atmosphere - dark, claustrophobic environment with hideous alien creatures jumping out at out from nowhere.
If you have a fast machine, the one to try is fisheye-quake, you can set it up to have an enormous field of view, right up to 360 degrees, so you can see the monsters creeping up behind you. Unfortunately it's six times slower, so it really crawls on my machine. Gives you nice curvy panoramas though, making the interiors less claustrophobic.
haha.. isn't that cheating? ;) yeah i don't think this machine would take anything like that, i think it's dying actually. and icq keeps disappearing for some reason, arghgh. and the scrolly thing on the mouse is buggered, which is REALLY FUCKING ANNOYING. but i digress..
i'll mention that one to paul, if he hasn't already got it.. errr maybe i won't actually, he already spends too much time playing computer games as it is. ;)
There's been rumors. And rumors. And rumors. And confirmation that someone ordered a script. And rumors. And rumors.... There was four books too. Some people say that the first two (Knee-Deep in the Dead, Hell on Earth) were good Doomish books, #4 (Endgame) was good SF though not very Doom-like, and #3 (Infernal Sky) was just plain lousy. (Don't quote me on the titles.)
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Here's an idea: modify the Quake source so it works on Win98 dual monitors, and so you could use the second one as a rear-view mirror.:)
There was talk at one time, with Arnie Schwarzenegger penned to play the role of the space marine, but AFAIK the whole thing fell through.
"Worst" as in "best," you mean? I've seen Half-Life and was intrigued, but always chickened out when it came time to plunk down the plastic. :-)
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:02:44 -0500, Martin J. Pollard wrote:
Dunno how well it would have translated to film, but they got the Hell portion right...I couldn't play chapters 2 and 3 at night :)
Ahh....*great* game singleplayer. Xen is annoying (lots of save restore because you missed a stupid jump) but a great game as far as horror is concerned :) *Loads* of atmosphere...
I always found some of the levels in Unreal alienesque...actually I found the game as a whole very atmospheric, I did start to believe that this was what an alien planet could be like.
Dunno playing against live people is cool, they behave diferntly to computer controlled ones, no mater how good the A.I. is, humans still do unpridictable random things that bots don't. Humm prob is I work with a guy that's into all the Quake Clans thing..keeps trying to pursuade me to join his (Clan of the Camper), and won't take no :)
They don't never noticed that, I found that if I played several matches on the same level...I'd kick the bots asses the first time, we'd be about even the second and they'd beat me on the third...odd like they where learning my style of play, and that I do things like firing rockets at people's feet whilst running backwards.....
Incidentally, have any of you RPG-ish peeps out there tried Planescape:Torment? I'd say it locates Baldurs Gate and ties its shoelaces togethor before feeding it to the sea lions in London Zoo, personally. Stunningly good :)
Balding Goat (lol!) was great at the time, dunno if it's worth it now.... might be a bit empty after Torment. But then, so would most things. There's so many incredibly fab little bits, like the pregnant alley thing, that's just incredible :)
No, because I can only play it on Thursdays, when I visit my Dad (my parents are divorced). Needless to say, I don't get much homework done on Thursdays :) My dad has, of course, twice, and does his infuriating "Oh, you just wait 'till you get to the bit where.... oh no, that'll spoil it..." thing :P
Actually, I'm trying to work that out at the moment :) No hints please :)
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:09:41 +0000, [email] (Phill Harvey-Smith) wrote:
Precisely. I can't beat a fricken bot, what chance in hell do I have of lasting a minute against a human?
On the easiset level, they don't shoot at me. Maybe I should try easy with more than one bot, though, so they'll at least shoot at each other. That way I'm at least running against a clock to get my 10 frags...
There is a game called Aliens vs Predator. You can either play the alien, predator or the marines. Very scary, they literally do come out of the walls.
Yeah I found playing the Alien a real pain because you can climb walls, run accross the ceeling and the like, so very dis-concerting at times....Preditor was cool tho.
I have played the demo of both, and yeah I prefer UT, but then again I liked Unreal..
On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:06:02 +0930, "<Affinity>" wrote:
Bah. What good is scenery, if I'm too busy getting blown up to admire it? What good are weapons that stay in my hands for 5 seconds before they're taken from my still-warm corpse?
Now, maybe if it's got a training level somewhere between "We'll kick your ass and not even blink" and "Hi, here's my back please shoot me in it..."
Ah that would be the " I'm missing you on purpose so you actually have a chance of hitting me" level.I usually play with the bots on skilled, try the one before that, oh and make sure that the weapons stay option is on. Easier to equip after so many respawns ;c)
Heheheh well I'll quite often use the cheats the first time I play through a game to get the feel for the levels/wwapons and the like....and then go back and do it without cheating.....besides the cheats for the most part don't work in multiplayer :)
Yeah always annoys me that does, I play those sort of games a lot and I've never had the slightest urge to go and shoot real people (ok I have done in laserquest, but that's different :) ),odd that really because people still went on crazed rampages before Doom and it's ilk.....prolly got more to do with the easy availibilty of guns IMHO :)
Yeah being supervised by Id (who made the original along with Doom, and the Quake series), and using the Quake 3 engine, odd I thought it was illeagal to sell Wolfenstein 3D in Germany or have they changed that law now ?
I once considdered doing a map of the college I used to work at because it was built like a doom level....actually the other two techs at the place I work now & I keep talking about mapping our department in Q2.....
It's still illegal, because of all the Nazi imagery.
I've seen a couple of maps like that. "Trinity" is a popular college Doom map, starting as a Doom 1 map, being converted to a Doom 2 one, and later a Heretic one. Then there's "Lovinger Outpost" (I beta tested that one:) whose first map is based on the building where the map-maker works.
Yeah that's what I figured, I believe the German version of Doom 2 also has the Wolfenstein levels removed. Am I right in thinking that it is also Germany in which Doom/Quake like games can only be sold in "adult" shops (i.e. can only be sold to people 18+) ?
Cool I'll have to download them and try them out on ZDoom, I assume that they are available on the cdrom.com archive ?
Yeah the sample map supplied with Qoole (Quake editor) I believe, is the building it was written in :)
AFAIK, yeah. It's also illegal to display the games in a public place. For instance, if you sold computers and wanted to show off a fancy graphics card by having it in a computer running Quake at some insane resolution, you'd get in trouble for it should someone care to point it out to authorities. Which surprised me, because I swear that I saw a computer running Marine Doom while watching a special about Hannover's Expo 2000. If it wasn't Marine Doom, then it was some other FPS. Maybe it was a placeholder for something else...?
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 03:08:15 GMT, I_am_the_archon@Doom!.com (Len Pitre) wrote:
AFAIK the law is about advertising the game like putting it on display for sale. As long as you don't let kids play with it you can have it run on a computer as long as you're not promoting the game this way (for instance by putting a BUY QUAKE FOR JUST $10 tag next to the computer running the game)
So what? I've seen Wolfenstein 3D run on a computer (actually I think there were several) at the Systems convention some years back. Despite the image Germans have in the rest of the world, we're not that conforming and law-abiding. MSB
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Which is an example of the idiocy of censorship, since in Wolfenstein, you're *killing* the Nazis. One quest involves shooting Hitler!
Heck, I wonder if wargame companies have to make special editions of their games to sell in Germany. A lot of World War Two games employ "Nazi imagery" on their covers, in the sense that they depict World War Two German soldiers or military equipment somewhere in the cover art.
Want to know what the biggest joke is? (I hope no one with any amount of power in Germany is reading this....) Doom 2 was banned there due to MAP31 and MAP32, which are the secret levels, and are near-direct copies of Wolf3D episode 1's first and last levels. So id made a new German-specific version, which supposedly removed all the Nazi imagery. Guess what? They didn't! All they did was get rid of the two maps in question, so whoever reviews these things started the game, couldn't get to the maps in question, and put his stamp of approval on it. Yet all the textures with Hitler pictures and swastikas and all that, and the sprites and sounds for the SS guards, are all still there.
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:43:28 GMT, [email] (Phill Harvey-Smith) wrote:
Wolfenstein and Germany is a complicated issue that no one really seems to understand. Fact is that we have a law that disallows the use of Nazi insignia. It is also a fact that movies like Indiana Jones and of course documentaries that are set in WW2 times DO show Nazi insignia because it's part of the historical setting. I don't know if Wolfenstein 3D is really banned and on what grounds but that doesn't really matter. Fact is that Wolfenstein 3D was one of the most widespread and popular computer games here in Germany. In times of free trade and credit card transactions, such bans are more or less doomed to fail. MSB
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Ah that is as I suspected, and I suppose perfectly undersatandable.
Yeah that is true as well.
Yeah that's true as well but is possesion of the game illeagal, because of the imagery and the like ? Not that anyone would know unless you drew attention to it :) Then again it sounds like it is like other things that are technically illeagal, everyone does it so it's not really enforced.
^^^^^^ Considering how this thread has progressed was that a diliberate pun ?
On 12 Mar 2000 23:59:22 -0000, [email] (Phill Harvey-Smith) wrote:
UnderSATANdable? If that's a pun and not a typo, it's a good one. It describes my position towards this law very accurately. It is understandable but wrong nonetheless. Restricting freedom of speech does never solve any real problems. Or does anybody think that introducing restrictive laws like ours in the US would make the KKK go away? I consider this law as a PR gag.
I am not a lawyer. I don't know all the subtle implications involved here but as I write this I have before me a copy of the German penal law (FYI we _don't_ have a precedence case based system) with the respective paragraphs (StGB 86, 86a). According to those paragraphs, possession is NOT illegal. The paragraphs only address distribution and use in public (like carrying a flag at a demo).
If something is illegal in Germany, it is being enforced to the letter of the law. Authorities are pedantic here. The technical illegality is a difficult question, though. Laws are like rubber. They bend. To be more specific, the above paragraphs state that the law DOESN'T apply to uses that are part of <translated quote> education for citizens, activities to ward off things unconstitutional, art, science, research and education, reports about current or historical events or similar things. </translated quote>
The part that most probably applies here is "art". This word usually comprises all kinds of things with artistic value like drawings, poems, paintings and novels. As authorities have no right to pass judgement over artistic quality, art does not only include works like "Schindler's List" but also works like "Matrix" and even "Plan 9 from Outer Space". Likewise, computer programs (being a combination of writing, pictures, sounds,...) would also be considered art usually. Of course it always the judge's decision when someone sues (AFAIK, id never tried to challenge the Wolfenstein ban in court). My personal interpretation of the law is that Wolfenstein is art so that paragraph 86 doesn't apply. The fact that X-Files, Indiana Jones and Hogan's Heros don't have any legal problems confirms my position.
Actually, now that I think about it a bit longer, I think paragraph 86 was NOT the reason for the Wolfenstein ban in the first place. I think I've read somewhere that it was confiscated on the grounds that it is too brutal and sadistic because killing people (Nazi soldiers are people, too, PLEASE DON'T START A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. I'm so sick of all this guilt, no guilt, following orders, could have resisted, blabla shit) is the only objective. Don't forget that Wolfeinstein was the first game of this category that became widely known. Standards change and nowadays where every day a new 3D shooter is published they are not banned anymore but just put on the index. I'm sure that when my generation makes up the authorities, those 3D shooters won't land on the index anymore. I've heard that back in good old homecomputer (e.g. C64) times they used to ban strategy war games for brutality even though you were just moving pixel blocks that barely resembled the tanks they represented.
I'm pretty sure the violence is the only reason why Wolfenstein was banned. That Nazi symbols are responsible for the ban is probably just an urban legend. The removal of the levels from Doom was just a panic reaction like the removal of the swastikas from the German version of the Indy 3 game from LucasArts (yes, they did that, even though the movie had the swastikas). The problem is that we don't have an official censorship authority. Of course it's good that we don't have one but it's bad from the POV of game companies. There is no place they can go to get a game pre-tested and approved like they could in China. Authorities in Germany act on a case-by-case basis (usually complaints by "vigilant" citizens) so a company doesn't know if there will be a problem before they publish the actual product. This leads to premature (and often unnecessary or pointless) censorship by the companies themselves.
Partly. I wrote it, thought about if I could phrase it better (e.g. bound to fail) and then noticed that it was the perfect word and left it like this.
MSB
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I don't see why you are accusing me of misrepresenting facts? Did I say you weren't right to leave? No, I didn't. You were perfectly right to leave.
Let me quote myself:
So you see that I realize that your mistake was not that you left me but that you came here and accepted that engagement in the first place. Unless you accuse me of witchcraft, voodoo and hypnosis, you can't deny that those were YOUR mistakes. I never forced you into anything and I never would. More importantly, I never could. You are the one with the strong personality. You ordered me around to fetch you your soda or cook you something.
Let me quote myself further:
I actually put this here to make clear that there were reasons why you made the mistake of not keeping me at a distance. I wanted to make clear that you are NOT a flaky little bitch but that there are reasons behind what you did. I don't state the exact reasons because I don't have the right to give away personal information about you. I am not trying to hide anything. I don't need to.
I am a very emotional person sometimes. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.
Talk you into staying? Since when am I able to talk you into something? Go a couple lines up. You have just stated correctly that all I did was plead and whine and that you are not susceptible to pleading and whining. We were in the train with your suitcases, remember? That is a fact! One word from you and we would have taken the train to the airport instead of McDonald's.
Don't be unfair. You liked that course. You were all smiles when I picked you up and you were constantly talking about the nice other students (you even put one of them into your address book just a couple days ago). And I still remember how happy you were to introduce me to your 2 friends from the course as your fiance. You even did it in German. ,
At least one point that we agree on. It was my mom's idea if you remember.
Hey. You were my first true love after 23 years of life as a mushroom. It was and is a lot more for me than a simple crush. I think it is perfectly normal that I couldn't just say goodbye.
What did you expect? How many relationships did you have before me? I remember 4 that you told me about. How many did I have? Zero and you knew that. You knew everything about me before you even got into the plane here. Let me quote to you what I wrote you in an email 3 weeks BEFORE you got into the plane to come here:
Now don't tell me that isn't a precise analysis of the situation between us. Not telling you exactly what kind of person I am is the only thing you CAN'T accuse me of. Accepting my advances was like buying from a catalog. You knew me better before you came here than most wives know their husbands after 10 years of marriage. Speaking of marriage, that proposal didn't come as a surprise either. I made it perfectly clear from the beginning that I wasn't looking for a temporary boyfriend-girlfriend thing but for something lasting. I used the word marriage in several emails to you (I have them all archived including your replies if you want to see them again). I was and am an open book for you.
emotional!
That's unfair again. I was trying to build my life around you. In the end I even wanted to go to the US with you. I gave in to you in every respect. You never gave in to even my most modest requests.
I asked you "Do you want to marry me?". And you said "Yes". We were even window shopping for rings. You chose the bed that I should be sleeping in right now (it's 3:40am here).
These are facts!
Despite your claim that I am immature (which I don't actually contradict, see above) YOU were the one making a commitment without thinking about the consequences. I don't think that is my fault. I told you who I am, I told you what I wanted, I told you about all my feelings, I never pretended anything. I made a decision and I stuck with it. I would still follow you if you told me to.
I never presented you as the bad guy. PLEASE, QUOTE TO ME THE EXACT SENTENCE WHERE I SAY THAT YOU ARE THE BAD GUY. You can't because that sentence isn't there. Because I never wrote it. Because I never thought it. And I never said I've been dumped. Please, someone help me here. Did I give the impression that she was the bad guy? Did I say anything about her being at fault? I don't think so. And if I did make this impression I want to apologize with all my heart. Jess, you live in the false belief that everybody wants to hurt you (Does that sound familiar? It's from that psychological profile I wrote about you, the one where I correctly predicted our split-up.). I don't want to hurt you. I care about you, whether you are with me or not. I just hope that this message doesn't destroy the last bit of friendship between us.
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MSB, you want my advice? Sounds like this person was an insensitive user. Move on and find someone who truly deserves your love and affection. Wait...Dagny's supposed to visit your area soon-ish, right? Maybe you two can meet up, at least as friends!
Also, if you want to vent to me, my inbox is always open. I check [email] most often. Just FYI.
On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 04:58:17 GMT, Lady Interference wrote:
No she isn't. She never manipulated me into doing anything. She has just gone through more shit in her life than you can imagine and she and her family are going through a lot of shit right now (Jess, I don't want to hide anything but I really don't think I should be talking about your personal life in a public forum). But as she said, she's currently working hard to get it all on the right track again. And for doing that she had to leave me.
She DOES deserve my love, affection and admiration. The problem is that she doesn't _want_ it. So I have to find someone who not only deserves it but also wants it.
That would be cool. I like talking to other Darianites.
I don't need to vent. I don't feel angry. I feel sad. Sad that it didn't work out. Still I appreciate the offer. It is always good to know there is someone you can talk to. Hmm, I'll just drop you a message anyway. MSB
p.s.: PLEASE, everyone, don't think or say bad stuff about jmstargazr. You have a completely wrong impression of her and I'm very sorry that what I wrote created that impression.
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I am really very sorry for turning this newsgroup into alt.tv.JerrySpringer It's been a baaaad week for me, and I took it out on the closest people: everyone here.
I think a quote from "See Jane Run" would be apt here.
Daria: ...so I'm an idiot, and I'm sorry.
Jane: Wait a minute. How do I know this is a sincere apology and not just some cheap ploy to get on my good side?
Daria: Why does there have to be a difference?
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I have a crazy aunt! How's your day going?
If she wants to e-mail me about the shit that's going on in her life, she's more than welcome to. I would never reveal it in a public forum.
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Oh yeah, and not even a month after my dad retired, my dad found out he was dying of lung cancer. The doctors don't even predict a year. I think my family and I are going through rough times too, don't you think? I would never lash out on anyone I profess to "care about", though, not even now.
Why the fuck did she get into a relationship then? If she needed to work things out without getting into a relationship, she should've had the decency to be upfront with you.
Should've been upfront about not wanting it. Better to be callous immediately and prevent future heartbreak than wait a long time and then be callous, causing the knife to twist even deeper.
Good luck in that endeavor.
Yeah, it would be. :)
Well, anger, sadness, frustration, whichever. My e-mail inbox is open. And...thanks for the message.
I agree with endless, nameless, if any "wrong impression" was made, it was her who made it. You had no role in developing my current POV of her. Only thing you did was made a number of us sympathetic to you.
Since I feel like being a bitch and some whiny asswipe on a message board I'm apparently banned from is boring the shit out of me, I'm going to dissect this message as best I can (until I get bored).
[email] wrote:
You already have those types. They're called "offline friends".
You don't, but he doesn't. Learn the difference.
Okay, now here's where we start the sob story.
Toldja. Boo hoo hoo.
He told you he was inexperienced at having relationships, even told you early on that he viewed the relationship as a serious one. You should be fucking flattered he wanted to propose to you, you stupid moron.
I would've thought the allure of Germany would make you stay...? Germany's one of the cleanest and safest countries in the world, if you believe official U.S. State Dept. information sources and many travel guides.
"And then they poked my brain some more and did electroshock therapy and now I've got this cattle brand in the center of my left buttock." *rolls eyes*
Excuse me, education of any kind is NOT a waste of money. You should be happy about getting to learn a different language. And German is one of the few languages out there that one will invariably get the opportunity to use at one point or another.
I thought you hated home...? Contradicting yourself so early...?
Here's 2 quarters, one to buy a clue and another to call someone who cares.
That's good. You could've realized those dreams in Germany too, I'm assuming.
Okay, stop presses. First, you string this poor guy along, and then you dump him because he's getting in the way? And you also along the way show you never had feelings for the guy? Someone needs to learn what a relationship entails.
I sure hope to God Matthias is thinking, "Hello, pot? Hi, this is kettle. Stop fucking calling me black!"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I needed that laugh.
As opposed to your "I never cared about you enough to let you know ahead of time that I wasn't interested in a serious relationship so you wouldn't have your heart set on one" schtick? Or am I confusing that with your "string them along and then dump them" tactic?
Sounds like something hit close to the bone, really.
Wow. I didn't get bored with that one bit.
We now return you to our regularly scheduled lethargy.
Please please can we please take this to email...the group does not need a flame war right now. Also I would urge other people *NOT* to get involved and take sides as I for one do not want to see the group self destruct, which is what this has the potential to do if we all take sides and start shooting insults at each other.
You all of course have the right to ignore me or tell me to p**s off but please considder what I have said :)
It would give me a chance to study people's argumentative tactics and actions under pressure :) and after I've had more real Psychology classes, too. Wow.
Dagny
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On the mountaintop, [email] (Dagny Scott) spake thusly:
At least they evacuate your building when you get bomb threats... they just leave us inside and say "Teachers, please lock your doors as we are currently conducting a 'safety drill.'" Then we get the letter in the mail that there was a bomb threat duting school that day (addressed to our parents, no less, as if we're not priviliged to know when our lives may be in danger)... so nice to know they care about us.
-Mindy
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Yeah, you're right. And besides, up until this point, there had been no one here I'd wanted to flame. Matthias's "please don't say anything else negative about her she's been through so much lately and she doesn't deserve it" ALMOST made me want to stop. Shame. I wanted to flame someone here and prior to this I could find no one to target. I might eventually stop, but only if it develops into a "well, this is silly, let's just bury the hatchet and throw play insults instead" type deal like they have over at the Smack Hits website's board (http://pub3.ezboard.com/bphoenixtotheflames).
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:38:35 +0000, [email] (Phill Harvey-Smith) wrote:
Actually, that's precisely what it needs. Something to distract from this mess. Something to get MSB pissed off so he doesn't have time to be depressed.
It just needs an on-topic one, not a personal one.
That is perhaps what I meant, I have seen this sorta thing happen before, in real life, where a couple splits up and people take sides, believe me it can get really nasty. I just didn't want one of my most read groups to decend that way :)
<TROLL> ok.....I found this great new way of making money...I was a poor man until I found this magical way to make money...all you have to do is everyone on the group mail me 10pounds now ! </TROLL>
Err I *HOPE* this is meant to be a joke, you have not inclueded any smilies or other indication that it is, so I'm assuming that it is not. Please don't get personal like this, it is not clever, does not impress people and might just motivate some of us to complain to your ISP. If it was meant as a joke please in future include something in the post to indicate this.
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:13:59 +0000, [email] (Phill Harvey-Smith) wrote:
It appears to me she was demonstrating an example of a troll post, not an actual act of malice.
ie. joke.
Cheers, Nicole Lee
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny..." -- Isaac Asimov
"No, no, no, Lisa. If adults don't like their jobs, they don't go on strike. They just go in every day and do it really half-assed." -- Homer Simpson
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Yes I saw that and the implied insult that was also in the text that you so conveniently snipped.
Err I couldn't, like I said there was no indication in the post that it was intended as a joke. No smilies nothing, there is such a thing as netiquate(sp?) which sugests that smilies and the like should be used when it is not clear as to the meaning of the post. I also make no apologies for not liking to be talked to like that even if it was meant as a joke.
Err I need no work in that department I think if she had some form of indication in her post that it was meant as a joke then I would have took it that way also her reply I felt was a little patronising.
Then perhaps she should say so herself. I don't want to fight you or anyone else on here but I don't like being spoken to as she did, nor being patronised period.
Phill who's more interested in sourcing some Plutonium then we can start a real war muhahahahah ! (and expects a visit from the CIA real soon for posting the word Plutonium.....twice :) ).
Affinity knows well the rules of flaming. She is to be commended. It needs a bit more style work, but that will only come with experience.
MSB, needs work. Obscure references do not make for an effective flame. There are some in the newsgroup who don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Like...me, for example.
Here's my attempt:
You lazy skank ho asswipe, why the fuck would you go with that nickname? Did your parents decide to shoot themselves when they saw you in the maternity ward nursery and that's why you were raised so stupidly? I bet you suck cocks because that's the only way you can get men to talk to you and even then they close their eyes only to keep from having to look at your nasty mug. And when they're done they don't even want to stick their thing in your snatch because it's crusty and diseased because you fucked so many guys in high school to remain popular. So whoosh...I mean Anita...I mean Simon's Flame...shut the fuck up and go back to the trailer trash you came from!
Ahhhhhhh...did I mention how good it is to be a bitch? :)
LI (who promises no more nasty remarks to Jess...I'm having fun making someone else's life a living hell)
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:58:50 GMT, Lady Interference wrote:
There's a difference between being a troll and flaming. Trolls don't necessarily flame (not until they get flamed for being a troll). Besides, my troll message is a message of its own. I was just announcing it here. MSB
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So who here thinks Daria should dress up like Quinn more often? She's _hot_ like that. And she should stop using big words; she's kinda stuck-up. Hot chicks who are stuck-up suck.
-Evil Zvaql (Shez, you never should have told me about that...)
On Fri, 10 Mar 00 01:26:39 GMT, [email] (Mindy) wrote:
No no no, you... you... you... STINKY PERSON!
Quinn should dress like Daria more often. (Though not in that hideous black thing she wore in QTB...) I mean it's not like she's got anything worth showing off in that stupid smiley shirt.
-Zvaql (It's Mindy rot13'd, which I think I'm going to use to denote my Evil Side from now on. Muahaha! It'll be like the Fei/Id thing in Xenogears. That game was awesome.)
Yes, it does. It's still a flamewar, regardless of whether it's meant in jest or not... I really thought the people here were more mature. Yeah, I thought a minor flamewar might be cool in the beginning, but I'm an idiot.
On the mountaintop, Lady Interference spake thusly:
I'll be nice to everyone that isn't an idiot. In other words, I'll be nice to the Clique and most of alt.tv.daria (yes, snobdom makes an appearance - ta da!) and maybe even _you,_ gentle reader. I'm slow to judge, unless your name is three letters long and includes the Euro symbol.
Yeah, though she should keep the glasses on, she looks kind of vacant without them. I think she looked best when she went to Alternapalooza and accepted Quinn's fashion advice about not tucking her tshirt in. The bit about her wearing lipstick was incongruous though - it doesn't jive with Through A Lens Darkly where she ran away when Jane offered to lend her some.
Road Worrier is one of my favouritest episodes. For one thing Daria actually looks almost normal for once, but there's also the slapstick pathos of all her accidents, one damned thing after another.
Yeah, also it's a sign of superior intelligence if you can convey difficult ideas in simple words. People who use big words are either lazy or snobbish.
They do? Where can I meet one?
Ha ha, your brain has been infected with the Rot13 virus.
(Incidentally, for those who don't know what Rot-13 is, there's a jargon file entry at <URL: http://www.xerez.demon.co.uk/html/R/rot13.html>) (Hey, I've just discovered that the Rot13 of "URL" is "HEY". Pbby.
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:25:51 +0930, "<Affinity>" wrote:
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He shows up occasionally. Doesn't say much, but then...
Quite often it probably does. When it doesn't, it has something to do with the ego; "shut up" refers to the prattling one's mind does, "go away" refers to the ego.
You said you were bored already before replying to the message. Get your story straight. *wry smile*
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Being inexperienced at having a relationship is no excuse for acting like a little baby whose mother won't let him have any candy at the checkout line in the supermarket.
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I agree on those points. However, all the picturesque scenery does not make up for the fact that I miss my friend (not a typo, that really is singular) and my family, screwed up as it is.
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In that case, would you mind paying for my college tuition? What's the point of learning a different language, anyway? I'm back in the US, where people speak ENGLISH, and can care less how many other languages I can (or in this case, can't) speak.
I never said I hated home. I said I was having problems there. BIG DIFFERENCE.
That would require wasting more money to learn German. Plus, they don't have Job Corps. And I most CERTAINLY can't join the German military (not unless I want my US citizenship revoked, anyway).
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Hm. First of all, I never strung Matt along at all. I tried very hard to make it work, but every time I told him about what I wanted to do, he tried to talk me out of it. "Don't join the military. The military sucks." "Don't go off to Job Corps, it's for losers." If I wanted to hear all this negative crap about what I want to accomplish, I'll talk to my grandmother. I DO still have feelings for Matt, but I can't settle down without at least attempting to do what I want to first.
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How about getting to know me before you pass judgement on me? Is that too much to ask? Walk around in my (size 10) shoes for a while, and then figure out exactly what kind of person I am. I'm going through a lot of shit right now. My aunt is in jail for killing her husband, and my whole family is frantic about getting custody of her girls, which is another reason I left Germany. I am now stuck in the middle of all this, trying to calm everyone down so nobody else goes on a shooting rampage.
I really don't want to fight about this anymore. I'm a big idiot for leaving, and I'm sorry. Matt's a big idiot for trying to stifle me, and I'm pretty sure he's sorry. My whole family is a bunch of idiots, but there's nothing I can do about that (at least not right now). -------
If you really loved Matt, you could have worked this out. You could have learned German and lived in Germany. Or he could have moved to America with you. It might have required some personal sacrifice on one or both of your parts. You might have been lonely at times. But when you love someone, you make the effort.
On 09 Mar 2000 23:23:13 GMT, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:
Could you people please stop criticizing her. I want to remain at least friends with her and you're definitely not helping me with that. She is a much nicer girl than she appears to be after those unfortunate messages. PERIOD. MSB
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It is possible... but you should do everything possible to be with that person. In some cases, you can't... especially if the other person has a relationship or some other factor that means you having a relationship would screw up that person's life. Consider what is best for that person... like in Casablanca, where the real good is what matters, or Tale of Two Cities....
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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"You been a-reading it without living it
That's the golden prison we can always find
Living in stories, or living in books
Or we can live, and leave all the stories behind..."
(Grace Slick, Play On Love)
I realize this adds just about nothing to the discussion (which I have absolutely no desire to get involved in anyway) but it struck me when I read that. It's not meant to offend. It's just out there.
That's just evil. Our society is made so that not everyone can "just live" and find something more fulfilling. Shit, if I tried to develop any intellectual view just from what's around me, I'd end up more fucked up than I already am. And you don't think there have been people in the past with a few more interesting things to say than the people around me who never get off the subject of hair and makeup?
Sure, just live. If you're an idiot or in a very lucky circumstance, that'll work fine. Otherwise, it'll lead to ruin.
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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Actually, it's probably one of the least evil of the songs she wrote. Not that that means much. Anyway, like I said, it's just the soundtrack, it's not meant to be an attack.
So where does the fault lie? In those who live that way, in those who resist it, or in the societal construct?
Sure I do. Likewise the present. Like the people who post here. I'm certainly not advocating not reading. That'd be supremely hypocritical of me. Maybe Grace Slick is saying that. Maybe not. But if your experience of life is limited to literature, you'll end up with a pretty skewed view of reality.
In society. We live in a repressive society. Not that there are non-repressive societies in known existence, but being part of the Repressed People Du Jour, it still pisses me off.
It just seems that the stereotype being promoted here is that of being happy and ignorant. I hate that. There's nothing happy about being ignorant if you're born with any curiousity at all, or even not. I'll tell you what being ignorant is, because I've been there, I was a child not as long ago as most of you: it sucks. It's hearing people talk and not understanding. It's making mistakes everyone else recognizes but won't explain. It's a bunch of people getting together and laughing at the stupid kid. But people don't remember that, and they invent stupid ass shit like "ignorance is bliss" where they want to childishly "just live", forgetting it's not a great wonderland. It's life, and life sucks.
Not as skewed as one centered around makeup and the next football game... especially if your mind wants better occupations.
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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(nervous laugh) well, actually, my folks DID just sell my car while I was in Germany...I'd willingly give up my family to anyone else that wants to put up with all this dysfunction, and I don't have any friends to begin with (do you think they're scared away because of my violent mood swings or just the fact that I'm a moron?).
PS: LI, I'm really sorry to hear about your dad. My mom had a big scare not too long ago with melanoma (caused by frequenting tanning booths), but still insists on frying underneath them anyway. She had it frozen off by the dermatologist, but I'm waiting in terror for the time when it won't be able to be frozen off.
------ For Sale: One dysfunctional family. Name price.
It's the low self confidence. I suffer from the same thing.
Learning a foreign language can sometimes actually help with that; it gives you an opportunity to be pretentious, which can give a nice boost to your self esteem.
(signals to self, looks for Ben Guevara, signals to him) And here are two examples right here on this newsgroup.
*shrugs* I guess Spanish is much more important where I live, though. I live about two hours' driving time away from the US/Mexico border and my city's approximately 60% Hispanic (so 60% of the people who live here are similar to me ethnically). Plus I have relatives who can only speak Spanish. Oh yeah, and the place where I work is always actively seeking out bilingual operators, who are well-known to make $15 an hour just for placing phone orders bilingually (right now the rest of us make $7.50/hour). But...I just thought of something...Hispanics have the highest rate of population growth in the US and are expected to someday in the foreseeable future outnumber all other ethnicities. Wait, that could mean nothing. *shrugs* I know I wish I knew more Spanish because if I did then I'd be very much in demand just for being bilingual.
If you find out it *does* count, notify me, okay? I know Basic, Pascal, and C inside and out and that could qualify me for knowing some "useless languages".
Oh yeah, definitely!!!! :) Glad to find someone else with the same musical tastes over here. Lord knows how many "Daria" fans I've found in the DD places I hang out at.
Hey, do you subscribe to Tiger? I know you probably don't post at Lizard King. There's another list I know of called Divine Interference and it's a Euro Duranie list that's run by the Plastic Girl UK people. If you want more info, e-mail me. [email] is the link-up.
LI, who would love it if you started posting at Lizard King's
That's not what I'm saying. I'm _saying_ that not all relationships _have_ to be serious, although Daria probably wouldn't want it any other way. I probably spoke poorly, and I apologize for that. The point I was trying to make is that Trent shouldn't be Daria's first; she doesn't have to do what you said above for that. It's hard to express, I suppose... oh, screw it. I don't know what I'm talking about. And I was getting tired of this head anyway.
I actually understand what you're saying. I really don't think that it would be "awkward" if Trent was the first guy Daria dated seriously; I just don't think that it's going to turn out that way. The reasons why I think Daria's going to date someone else first is that Daria's maturing faster than Trent currently is, and now that Jane has a real boyfriend Daria's going to want one too.
Agreed. It used to be you didn't see someone romantically unless you had intent to marry... not so any more, people are very casual, one night stands, etc. I mean, yeah, relationships end if something turns out not to work... but that's a damn stupid idea to go into a relationship with! You should be thinking- at least at the time- "this is someone I'd consider spending my life with".
people have trouble taking stuff seriously, I guess. . . it's not really encouraged, I guess, any more. Too bad, anyway.
Aww... we don't want to lose you. Some people I wouldn't mind losing, but you're not one. You're a good person.
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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I agree. I will point out that I don't think Mindy had anything much beyond hanging out together in mind when she was talking about a "casual relationship"; I don't think she was advocating random sex or anything like that.
(Roll 1D10 for your sexual partner, consult the table in the back of the book) :)
It's actively discouraged. It's seen as a sign of mental instability, in people Daria's age, by some. No fooling.
This is starting to remind me of that *cough* classic short-short SF story that went something like:
Life is much more boring on Earth since all the women left with that alien Splend of the Many Tentacles. We tried to talk them out of it, but it seems that Splend is a many lovered Thing.
While pondering this matter, you delay long enough to give Someone Up There a chance to find the Wandering Damage matrix. The Cosmic Dice roll, and a ghostly hand writes upon the wall to your left:
"Cut yourself shaving. Consult Limb Loss Sub-table."
A little whore. Terminally cute, about four feet tall and eighty pounds, who gets guys to do all her work for her by flirting with them. But if someone suggested anything about her... you'd get beat up, of course.
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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<butthead> uhuhuuhuh cool .... does she have big.*CENSORED* </butthead>
Heheheh I saw the post on who she was a couple of articles after the one I followed up with the above :) Dammit, that'll teach me to read the whole thread first ! (ok it should teach me, but prolly won't :) ).
I don't but you know how stupit censors can be sometimes :( and anyway to be strictly accurate the quote (from B&B do America, uhuhuhu I said 'do') is :-
<Butthead> Urrrr does she have big hooters ? </Butthead>
Sorry for the HTML like tags been doing too much web stuff at work recently :)
DeMartino is one of the coolest characters. I really like him.
Well, I've had to have known some somewhat smart blonds, I guess, since my high school is like 90% blond with all these Dutch people
I can't see a cynical blond girl. Just doesn't work any more than me, with my body, trying to be "cute", at which blonds (especially shorter ones) excel.
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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Whattaya talkin' about Dagny? I've seen your website--and picture therein as well as some of the other pictures you've put up from time to time. You're cute--in a non-shallow, non-superficial sort of way. You can do cute anytime you want to (if it's not improper for someone of my age to make that observation of someone your age). Cute covers a broad range of attractiveness and is not exclusively the domain of the blonde airhead bimbo. Intelligence adds an attractiveness all its own.
And I'm blonde...or I was when I was younger. My hair darkened a bit as I got older. With the torment that I endured from my classmates I acquired a cynicism and disaffection to a degree which I have seldom seen equaled. Smart blonde males enjoy no special advantage whatever in this regard. In fact, blonde hair seems to add another avenue of attack. In addition to routine, soul-rending aspersions to my intelligence and to my sexuality (I'm unreservedly hetero) there were attacks about the authenticity of my hair color. With all the blonde jokes around, I can easily imagine that a smart blonde female might find herself doubting her abilities and/or becoming quite cynical. Some smart blonde women sometimes subvert their intelligence, "playing dumb" in order to fit in, to the possible detriment to their personal development. (I think that might be the way Brittany's character will be developed.) Don't imagine that light-colored hair is any picnic. For women particularly, you can obtain any hair color you please from a bottle. Unfortunately, the same can't be said for intelligence.
No, I can't. I'm not saying I can't be attractive to the rare non-pedophile but I'm not *cute*. The entire style of cuteness does not work with someone 5'9", brunette, curly hair, etc. Trying to look like that doesn't work, I look like a big dork then, so I stopped trying.
yeesh! I said blond girls. They're the ones expected by innocent, that everyone will do anything to prevent anything happening to them, because everyone is moved by crying blond girls (just watch the news. You'd think only blonds ever go through tragedies.) But being male is a lot like being a tall brunette girl, everyone tends to expect you to be able to take care of yourself, and any attempt at looking vulnerable or innocent doesn't look right in their stereotypes, so you're not likely to generate much pity or get much help. And being male you're expected to be macho or whatever, whereas girls are supposed to act like 5-year-olds well into their twenties.
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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I did Jr. High. That is to say, was a student there. There's no way I'd want to go back. I had to go back to the building that now is the sixth grade building but was Jr. High when I was there... got freaked out... major operant conditioning, yo.
General vicinity of Grand Rapids, MI. Although I guess Iowa has Dutch people. The ones with money, because no one wanted to live in the middle of a big forest/swamp thingy, so we got the ones without money. heheh.
Hey, we were just reading about you. Frau disagrees majorly with Dark Schneider.
Mistah Kurtz, he dead.
(or Mistah Leary if you ask Hunter Thompson)
yeah.
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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I remember having to go back to my old high school for some reason or other twelve years after I escaped - could hardly bring myself to open the door. Felt like I was going home to the House of Dracula.
The Mrs. used to work in Kentwood back in the early '90s. Last time I was in GR was a couple years ago for the Shrine convention (when Saladin Temple hosted it). Supposed to go back some time - an acquaintance has promised me supper at a German restaurant downtown.
The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated :-)
Leary's /High Priest/ is quite the interesting read.
I worked there back in last year at the library, where I met the other West Michigan Goon fan, Walter, who has been a circ assistant there for a while.
Ah, the Schnitzelbank! My German class has been meaning to go there, but our teacher isn't quite organized :) we haven't even visited one of Kati Gross's classes at Acquinas this year.
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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See Reece Witherspoon's character in the movie "Election." She's blonde, smart, cynical and evil incarnate.
Every Daria fan over the age of 14 or so should see Election and Heathers, either of which Daria herself could easily have written (but only on one of her Bad Days.)
Hmm, I smell a thread. Any other Daria-esque High School movies out there? I can think of a half dozen, off the top of my head (though none as perfectly hellish as the two above), but it might be more fun to open up the floor.
Better Off Dead is one of my favorites-- it isn't as heavy-handed as the other two you mentioned, but it does manage to tap into the absurdity of HS. In fact, I get a few chuckles just thinking about that movie. ;-)
rich
Helen: Bureaucracy is the price we pay for impartiality.
I'm a fan of Election and Heathers, but I *hated* Better Off Dead! I watched it because it had been praised on this newsgroup but I found it utterly banal and really sub-average even for a teen comedy. Outside of the occasional death joke I really don't understand why Darianites have any affection for the film.
Other movies ... not sure off the top of my head. Welcome to the Dollhouse is a favorite, of course, but I don't think Daria would write something like that (it's too dark and depressing for Daria's "world", and she wouldn't create such a detestable main character).
I have it on tape- PAL, as im in Aust. I get to re-live all those grotesque moments over and over and over again.... arf. Fluffy toys and nefarious oozy liquids just don't go together.
If you're going to relive MEET THE FEEBLES, you really ought to check out another Aussie film, BAD TASTE, a sci-fi epic which lives up to its title. It does have a terrific title track though.
Yes that....the thing that really mad me laugh was that the hapless traveling salesman guy in it looks strangely like my gf's brother, every time I saw this dude I thought of him :)
Well if i'm going to check out Bad Taste, you should keep an eye out for Brain Dead (great zombie film). It's by the same director, except he's from New Zealand not Aussie Land.
I've seen Brain Dead, that one scene with the Zombies and the lawn mower must have used up New Zealand's entire stockpile of stage blood.
Weird thing is, IMDB says Peter Jackson, the director is doing the new Lord of the Rings film. Bit of a step up from low budget, sick, black comedy slasher movies.
I wonder how far along he is, and how long such an epic is going to take to film. Remember, Bakshi only got to the middle of "The Two Towers" and had to pack it in...there was simply not enough money to finance the second planned movie.
Jackson at least has one thing going for him...the gorgeous New Zealand countryside.
Don't forget, he's also responsible for "Heavenly Creatures". And, more recently, he was behind a (hilarious, BTW) made for NZ TV mockumentary about a nonexistent Kiwi cinematic pioneer.
MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
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"The only completely consistent people are dead" --Aldous Huxley
I've heard all three films are going to be filmed at around the same time, to ensure a consistent "look." So it will be more like three books into *six* hours which is a slight improvement ...
In article , Bamse Brakar wrote:
"Heavenly Creatures" rocked, although it didn't exactly have big budget fantasy sequences ...
I know, that scene was obscene!!I liked it when bits of the guys mother fell off into her custard and she ate it... lol!
Wow, that will be a challenge. Its going to be fun fitting three books into three hours.I saw a stage play of the Hobbit, done with puppets a while back. It was great.
On a side note, this was news from ages ago. I heard that Michael Jackson was cast to play Edgar Allan Poe, in a movie about his life & times. I had to laugh.
I think I've seen that movie under the name "Dead Alive"...Does the mom get bitten by a Sumatran Rat Monkey or something weird like that and that's how she becomes the zombie?
I don't remember that part in "Jane's Addition"...where was that?
And either way, "I want to talk to you" can be interpreted hundreds of ways. Trent wants advice on something, perhaps...why wouldn't he go to the coolest high schooler he knows?
You could use Real Producer (www.real.com) to convert it to a real video file, last time I looked into it, real producer would convert AVI files. You may have to look around on real networks site tho....they don't make the free versions that easy to find. Anyway I have a copy of the free version that I downloaded somewhere email me if ya want a copy.
Yeah I saw the followup further down the thread after posting this oh well better to get too many replies than none at all :)
Cool I'll download it :) dammit this means rebooting into windows to see it :) Real networks seem to have ignored Linux after version 5... which I couldn't get to work anyway but still :)