Daria or Quinn???

I'm sorry, but i have to ask this. Is it my imagination, or does Daria seem to be thinner than Quinn in "Quinn the Brain? Now, I'm not sure cause it's been awhile since I've watched that one and my imagination runs wild when i'm watching and thinking about DARIA , but am i going crazy? DeVitoFreq (Christina) "Oh Daria,don't be shy.Show me your boobs"--Jane("Too Cute"),"I can't shoot my own mother.Not with paint,anyway."--Daria("The Daria Hunter"),"I'm not miserable,I'm just not like *them*"--Daria("The Misery Chick")

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Remember that Daria normally dresses in very loose and fairly concealing clothing, while Quinn normally wears tight pants and a bare-midriff top. Most of the characters on *Daria* are drawn unrealistically thin, if you've noticed, Trent being the most extreme example of this stylistic convention.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

I don't think he's unrealisticly thin,... errrrm, maybe that's a reflection on me, though.... <g>

I think Daria's always been thinner than Quinn, think of the wedding episode where the dress refuses to fit her paralleloid figure.

-Shez.

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There's nothing wrong with Daria's figure, either in "Quinn the Brain" or "I Don't." The reason the dress didn't fit in "I Don't" was because the bridal shop lady wasn't even trying. Possibly it might have been because the dress was ordered at the last minute because Quinn and Daria were added to the bridesmaids list as an afterthought (or, more accurately, at Helen's insistence at the last minute). There was no excuse for Daria's dress to fit that badly.

Based not only on "Quinn the Brain" but on other episodes where Daria changes outfit, Daria is very nicely shaped. Daria could quite easily "out-cute" Quinn if she chose to. I still insist that this is the main point of the whole show. Daria has the looks and she has the brains. She can fit easily into either environment as she chooses. I have a hope for an episode where someone (I wonder who) takes her to Chez Pierre and Daria gets dolled up for the evening making Quinn absolutely sick with jealousy. I think they already have just the right image for such an episode in one of the alter-ego characters.

"You have the kind of looks that make other girls mentally ill."

I thought it was the lack of any curvy bits for the dress to hang onto, the woman seemed to spend some time trying to fit the dress to her but it just slithered off her parallel-sided form.

I assumed there was some poetic licence going on there, sort of "Shape Takes a Holiday" sort of thing, as her appearance doesn't seem to square with her normal figure. That plastic surgeon did after all foist some practice boobs on her, which seems to suggest she's not as buxom as she looked when wearing Quinn's outfit.

I always thought the point was that she doesn't have the looks, that her personality is more important.

But Daria doesn't see any point in getting dolled up, and neither do I, come to that. I think girls usually look better without makeup, tarty clothing or high-heeled, pointy-toed shoes (or "tart trotters" as some girls of my acquaintance call them), and so I think does Daria. Most such attire is basically designed to reinforce the image of women as helpless and submissive -- uncomfortable and impractical shoes being the most obvious example of this. But Daria doesn't want to be a stereotype, she wants to be herself.

-Shez.

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I agree-- I like women who are comfortable in Doc Martens, and who don't care about fashion. It means fewer shopping excursions to malls. (Thank GOD.) I remember one woman I dated in college who insisted that I go with her dress shopping. Like *I* would know if it looks good??? (Hell-O! I'm a guy!) Needless to say, it didn't last very long. My feet never hurt that bad, and I used to be in a marching band that practiced on astroturf and concrete. There's something about dress shopping for 5+ hours that can truly destroy a man's desire for a woman, no matter how "cute" she may look. ;-)

No question-- low-maintenance is the only way to go. <g>

rich.

Tiffany: "Oh, no. Wind, hair."

Although I wouldn't normally make a comparison, in this respect there is a parallel between cars and women. Who would want a Quinn-like car that spends all its time down the garage being serviced or resprayed or whatever?

-Shez.

Shez said:

Good point. Though "serviced" was perhaps an unfortunate choice of words there ...

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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Daria doesn't see any point to getting dolled up just for its own sake, unlike Quinn. That's one thing I admire about her and partly why I identify with her. But the fact remains that there are times when dressing for the occasion is required. There's no way around it, on those occasions you're going to have to ditch the jeans and pick out something a little dressier. In those circumstances I'm lost. I can tie a tie but beyond that fashion is a mystery to me. If Daria can slip easily between the geek and fashion world then she's doubly won my admiration. Of course we've seen that already in "Quinn the Brain." The significance was not only that Daria looks nice when she's not wearing her "outfit that sucks" but that she could analyze Quinn and emulate her dress and especially that she knew enough about makeup to use it properly. Trust me, just walk the mall and look at the women and you'll see that this skill is obviously quite rare. The fact that Daria, who is completely uninterested, could pick it up with such apparent ease is significant. While I admire the women who are interesting enough and self-assured enough to eschew makeup, I also admire those same women who can seemingly effortlessly dress for whatever occasion is required. I'm frequently amused by the women who can't go to the door in their housecoat or go outside to work in the garden without first putting on makeup.

It's a kind of test. It's a test of physical ability. If you have the stamina to go shopping then that's a substitute for the physical ordeal of going out and slaying a woolly mammoth or something. It's a test of motivation. If you're still with her after the trial by shopping then you're probably interested enough to stay for the long haul. It's a test of self-control. If you're ever going to say a cross word it'll probably be while your feet are aching and you're being asked some inane question about some piece of clothing. You can also consider it a test for her. If after you've passed the shopping ordeal she still wants to make it a weekly routine then you'll know whether you're dealing with a Daria or a Quinn.

Women make so many subtle judgments about men. If I knew for a fact even one one-hundredth of what I suspect goes on in those female minds I think I'd melt into an amorphous puddle right on the spot.

"Hey! We're artists man. Who knows where we'll be in five years!" "['Still living over your parent's garage?']"

RKHenry wrote:

I don't like tests. And I don't like dating people who are so insecure that they feel that they have to constantly test me. (BTDT) I'm not a shrink, fercryinoutloud! Besides, people who would rather waste our free time in a stupid mall, when we could be wasting it in a park, or at a concert, or doing anything remotely more enjoyable for that matter, are obviously not compatible with someone like me, who hates malls for what they are-- ugly lumps of misshapen concrete covering a chewy economic center of cupidity and junk.

Besides, searching for illusory dresses tends to make me cuss. <g>

That goes without saying. But if women knew exactly what men thought most of the time, they'd never go near us, and they'd probably be screaming "eww!" for about a week after encountering their first genuine male thoughts... <g> Sorry, ladies, blame it on the testosterone poisoning. <g>

I'd say more, but a storm is approaching. <g>

rich.

Jane: Usually when I have this dream I'm wearing pink taffeta.

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Life is a test. And if those activities are your preference then you have your test results. Simple as that.

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Naw...Testosterone is wonderful stuff. It's just that some guys can't handle it. Besides, men are supposed to think those things. It's our job. A sacred duty. If you deny it you're only giving in to the girly crap in favor of your damn inner child.

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Life is a test. And if those activities are your preference then you have your test results. Simple as that.

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Naw...Testosterone is wonderful stuff. It's just that some guys can't handle it. Besides, men are supposed to think those things. It's our job. A sacred duty. If you deny it you're only giving in to the girly crap in favor of your damn inner child.

I prefer trainers myself. I have these Adidas ones that are grey, but have faded from blue due to "overuse" or whatever. :) I want a pair of Doc Martens, though, because they're better for when it rains, only I can't afford any shoes right now.

One of my male friends likes to go clothes shopping with girls. Strange guy. I can't say it bothers me though - I like shopping, and his company. ;)

I have never found a dress in which I look anything approaching "cute". :(

Agreed.

On Sat, 22 May 1999 17:02:28 +0100, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from "endless, nameless" , and it said:

That I doubt, if only because a woman's self-assessment is perhaps the most inaccurate assesment available. I find myself more and more curious as to what you actually look like. (If the "comparison" drawing on Shez's site is any indicator, I would have to disagree _strenuously_)

Dresses just don't suit me. I have been told I look good in long skirts, incidentally, but dresses don't look right. I wear trousers mostly, as they're most practical, anyway.

It isn't. :P Shez did that, I think, because I have brown eyes and hair and wear glasses sometimes, so a "comparison" was made. I can't remember what that picture looks like now, but I don't think it looked anything like me. :) [Note to Paul Gate, who will probably read this: if you post that picture you have of me, I am going to kill you. :P ]

Just remember to put your trenchcoat on first!

-Shez.

In article , "endless, nameless" wrote:

Oooh! Oooh! Lessee! Lessee! I'm curious to know just how much Alli's estimate of her appearance deviates from reality. If what she says about how she looks is as wrong as what she says about her personality then she's probably drop-dead beautiful.

On Sat, 22 May 1999 01:09:21 +0100, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from Shez , and it said:

Actually, this should be pretty easily explained, though I don't know the order well enough to do so. What season did Too Cute take place in? (My hypothesis assumes s1.) What season did Quinn the Brain take place in. (Again, my hypothesis assumes s2.) Easy explanation? :)

In "The Teachings of Don Jake," we see Daria and Quinn, right next to each other, in some sort of sleepware. In form, they are nearly identical, in this picture.

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There are several episodes in which Daria is depicted with a fairly nice "rack." (To quote that guy in "Too Cute." <G>) Too many separate instances to have been coincidental and most probably not related to the practice boobs. I really don't know why this seems to be so controversial. There really isn't any reason why Daria (or any woman) can't be attractive and also be a brain. The best of both worlds.

Of course I have a theory, untested at present: There are no ugly women, just women who need a makeover. I'll admit that the epirical evidence doesn't look promising but within reasonably restrictive limits I suspect the theory may hold. The simple fact is, there is no single ideal for beauty and even the most attractive women in the world only approach perfect beauty asymptotically. The objective should be to be the best "you" you can be�to reveal the "youness" inside.

RKHenry wrote in message news:7i7fco$9ib$[email]...

Who's Eunice, and why can't she get a body of her own?

(Somebody had to!)

Martin.

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As I fully expected. I'd have been disappointed if someone hadn't. <G>

I reckon that's just her having no 'figure', rather than being too thin. Of course, most thin people have no 'figure' anyhow. Hmph.

On Fri, 21 May 1999 19:43:29 +0100, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from "endless, nameless" , and it said:

Which leads one to ask the question: is "thinner" really "better?" (particularly from a male point of view)

I'm not male, but that makes little difference in my case. ;) I prefer thinner girls. But then again, that's to be expected of someone like me. <g>

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How about female body builders? I'm not so sure about thin but I think a little muscle on a woman is sexy. Of course the muscle makes it easier to stay thin without necessarily being unhealthy.

IMO, absolutely not. I want to strap Kate Moss and Brittney Spears down and force-feed them twinkies until they look healthy.

stocking up on twinkies for a ATD-con (if there ever is one), --- ~Po

"Don't feel bad about not feeling good." ~TME

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Within specified limits: yes. Genetically, that is, to the extent that men and women are creatures genetically-driven to reproduce (the alternative being extinction), the best partner is one who is healthy, who appears to be able to withstand the rigors of childbearing (or providing for the one doing the childbearing) and of course, the biggie, the rigors of child-rearing. That generally means somewhere between too fat and too thin. Within these limits there can be a whole range of personal preferences�supposedly someone for every taste. Ain't it grand?

I think the answer to that is, "All things in moderation".

-Shez.

I'm a male and most of the time I see thinner is better (hey what do I know? I'm not a doctor!) I used to be fat and hated people who were against fat people and now that I lost a LOT of weight (you can't classify me as FAT now), I see fat people as people who lack discipline but the truth is a lot fat people eat less than thin ones. It's the difference in metabolism, HELLO! Anyways, going back to the question, it's better to be thin coz you won't have much problems shopping for clothes. Just my opinion (as an ex- fat person)...

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This is alt.tv.daria. I don't think anyone here really cares about fat or thin, aside from natural concerns about the good health of our friends. Here the only prejudices we're seriously worried about are those against brains.

The thing about Quinn and Daria viz. fat or thin is that they're pretty much the same. That way the only distinguishing characteristics are intellectual rather than physical. By isolating just one variable, braininess, we don't have other issues clouding things and can study the characteristic that really interests us.

Define "thin". I can never find clothes that fit. Additionally, I'm always cold.

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It may just be me, but i think 'Quinn the Brain' pretty well indicates she does infact have a figure. We also must remember that 'I Don't' and 'Quinn the Brain' were probably written by different ppl, maybe causing some conflict in that area. wicka_chick

[email] writes:

Good point, we may be seeing some cracks in the storyline continuity here. Maybe Glenn & Susie forgot to specify Daria's vital statistics in the guidelines for scriptwriters.

-Shez.

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Even if the scriptwriters weren't referring to the Daria "Bible" in their stories, it would remain for the story editor to fix the story and bring it into compliance. Then the artists would still have an opportunity to add their own vision. It's the job of the executives to bring all the creative people together under their controlling vision. I'm sure scripts are never accepted "as is." I've hardly ever heard of any other writing that got past an editor unchanged.

I guess another explanation then is that the Daria images are supposed to be metaphorical or symbolic. So, just as everyone normally wears a standard outfit that's symbolic of their personality, so this may also extend to the special outfits or appearances they sometimes have. So Daria's wedding dress doesn't fit because she's a misfit, and she has a Quinn-like figure in Quinn the Brain for the same reason she's dressing like Quinn in that scene. (Apart from that one scene, I think the other ones where she's shown as having a good figure are pretty much all dream sequences, eg. when she's walking down the corridor with the three Janes.) Given the obviously symbolic nature of a lot of the visuals, eg. the general stick-like figures and standard outfits, I guess we shouldn't take the characters appearances too literally. If we took everything literally we might end up concluding they were all physically handicapped because they walk funny!

-Shez.

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Well at least they don't have yellow skin and they have five fingers on each hand.

But of course they ARE cartoons, caricatures of real life. No one actually looks like this. But we can still project our own attitudes and beliefs onto the drawings and into the characterizations in the stories to create something that isn't really real but has a real life all its own. That's how good art becomes great art. Seriously, we all have our various attitudes and how we view Daria (and art like it) is colored by our attitudes. Everyone will see it just a little differently. I've always thought the measure of good art was how successfully it was able to accomodate all the various views among all audience members and still communicate the artist's message. If the art does what the artist intended, it's good art. If no one gets the message, it's bad art. (Another one of my singular opinions. I once got into a mini-disagreement online over this.)

My personal view of Daria, restated, is that I don't see any reason why a woman can't be both intelligent AND attractive. That's the way it is in real life, why not in Daria?

RKHenry wrote:

Hear, hear! Now, why can't I find one like that? Everyone I meet is like Quinn and the Fashion Club... shallow and superficial. That's why I don't go out much, I want to meet someone who can match me, or nearly so, on an intellectual level. And someone like that, somene who's available anyway, is hard to find, at least around here.

Marty Skywarn Storm Spotter KCB009

I remember when I first saw the Simpsons being disappointed that everyone had yellow skin and not just the Simpsons themselves. I'd imagined from the images I'd seen of the family that they must be mutants (caused no doubt by Homer getting contaminated at the nuclear plant) and that everyone else in the series would be pretty normal in colour.

Actually some of the Daria characters have yellowish skin, though it seems to vary. Daria herself has a pretty deathly pallor a lot of the time, a sort of pale mushroom colour. This always gets me confused when I'm trying to adjust screengrabs of the show, as I automatically try and correct the flesh tones, but in fact they weren't flesh-coloured in the first place so "correcting" them actually results in the wrong colours.

You know, looking at the image of Daria on the Daria video sleeve, she actually looks half Chinese with her narrow eyes and yellowish skin. Do you suppose Jake is really her father? Maybe she was adopted? Perhaps what really happened is that Jake had an affair with Ms Li, got her pregnant, and then he & Helen agreed to adopt the baby. Quinn meanwhile is probably the result of an affair between Helen and Mr DeMartino, I can imagine they'd click quite well between the sheets...

Alli does, haven't you seen the photo of her on my website? She looks amazingly similar to Daria, only she has bigger eyes, a bit like a Morgendorffer who's been eating psychotropic berries. (Hmm, I wonder...?)

I think people have been conditioned to blindly believe O'Riordan's Theorem: Brains x Beauty = Constant.

Actually I just looked this up, and there's a corollary. I can't type the mathematical notation but transliterated into English it says

Purmal's Corollary: As lim(Brains x Beauty) -> infinity, availability -> 0.

This is probably why people despair of finding women who are both intelligent and attractive.

-Shez.

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I haven't noticed any significant color variations in Daria. Maybe it's a broadcasting problem. I think in some scenes/episodes they might try to paint Daria's face a little paler than the other girls. Anyway, the range of colors that might be called "flesh" covers quite a gamut in real, live humans even allowing for extremes in melanin content. Why should we be surprised at the range of color in a cartoon?

"What's with that girl? Her face is all the same color!"

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I haven't seen the video sleeve so I can't offer an opinion. (In fact I haven't seen ANY of the Daria publications. If I'm ever going to I'll just have to order them.) Could simply be press problems in printing the piece. Or maybe it spent too much time in the sunlight in the store and it faded.

It's really interesting how many people offer theories that Daria is not the natural child of Helen and Jake Morgendorffer. Is it really that hard to believe they could be the parents of Daria? Now Ms. Li in ANY kind of affair-that WOULD be hard to believe. I pity any poor fool who would even consider such a relationship. If/when the relationship ended the safest thing for him to do would be to consider some kind of Japanese suicide ritual as that would have to be less painful than facing Angela's wrath over a failed love affair.

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The correlation is obviously low. There are just to many people who fall too far from the curve for the relationship to be useful. There are unfortunates who are not only stupid but also ugly, and there are those whom luck or providence has graced with a seemingly unfair measure of both attributes.

"No one said life was fair"-DeMartino "Money can make anybody beautiful"-Dr. Shar

Also, beauty is too undefinable for the function to approach any kind of limit. Some guys like 'em Rubenesque and some guys like 'em more sylphlike. Some guys like 'em diminutive and some guys like 'em statuesque. And some guys like 'em smart...like Daria. I think we can agree that intelligence confers a certain beauty in itself. How's this for a proposed rule-of-thumb?: Each IQ standard deviation above the mean is the equivalent to an additional 2 inches in bust size? <G>

On Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:17:37 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from RKHenry , and it said:

Yeah, Alli. Do something cool. ;)

(The bad part is I'm dead certain I got that line wrong...)

It's obviously false. If Brains x Beauty = Constant, then you couldn't have both beautiful, stupid people, and people who are average in both, since for instance, if we rate both out of 100, 50x50 is much greater than 10x90. Brains+Beauty=Constant, that would make sense....

*removes geek hat*

Greg Pallis wrote in message news:[email]...

<puts on geek hat>

If the constant is, say, 2, and you multiply, you *can* have someone who is beautiful (Be=8) and stupid (Br=0.25), or evenly beautiful and intelligent (Be=Br=1.41).

All very confusing, really.

Of course it's a load of utter tosh, since we've all met ugly stupid people as well as beautiful intelligent ones. Not to mention people whose brains are evident as youngsters, but whose beauty doesn't blossom 'til they're older: they don't then become stupid!

Martin.

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As any teenager knows, adults do become stupid as they get older. This effect is often restricted to the teen's adult relatives as frequently the teen will observe that the mental deterioration hasn't occurred in adults who have no familial connection to them. This can even be the case when those unrelated adults are themselves parents of other teens. The "Adult Stupidity Syndrome" (ASS) often goes into remission after the teen leaves teenhood and the adult relatives may then find that their intelligence slowly returns to near-normal. This effect apparently has no connection with Alzheimer's disease and is a completely independent syndrome. Curiously, I've heard of no government grants to study this fascinating phenomenon and I've seen no celebrity- endorsed PSA's on TV or solicitations for donations. Surely one of our most-ignored health problems.

RKHenry wrote in message news:7k37hf$rm2$[email]...

You've discovered a remarkable lacuna in medical research, Bob. It's amazing that no pressure group is moving for this tragic syndrome to receive the attention it clearly merits.

Perhaps Sarra could do a feature on it in J-17? She could ask readers to respond, noting whether they notice their parents (and other adult relatives) are getting stupider; then follow up those readers ten years later to see what proportion of the adults who were affected are then in remission.

In fact, I think that interested atd readers should form a committee and seek considerable funding from US Federal funds, the European Union and the WHO (the health organisation, not the band) to establish a research centre in, say, Barbados, with outstations in oh, let's say, Florence and Aspen, and a data processing centre in, well, how about the Scottish Highlands?

Martin.

"Martin Sylvester" wrote:

For Data Processing, I was thinking more in terms of Oahu or Maui, or maybe Key West, m'self. Scotland's summer is like our winter, and, besides, I've never really been much of a golfer.

You know, it might be a good idea to ask the Who (the band, not the World Health Organziation), if they want to fund side projects in research about "My Generation" and also maybe some research in the area of Pinball Wizards-- how *does* that deaf dumb and blind kid sure play a mean pinball? Science should investigate. ;-)

rich.

Helen: Bureaucracy is the price we pay for impartiality.

Jake: Jefferson!

Helen: Stalin.

hear, hear! I second the motion. (I gotta get out of this hell-hole state of Oregon)

Jess "Morgendorfer"

Daria: Do you believe everything adults tell you? Gupty Kids: Yes Daria: What if 2 adults tell you totally opposite things?

JMStargazr wrote:

Hey, Oregon's not that bad. If you don't mind the constant rain and cloudy skies. :-)

Incidentally, what part of Oregon are you in?

--J. (an newly moved in Oregonian. It's so very MUCH better than California...)

I live just south of Portland, in an actually quite Lawndale-esque city called Wilsonville. Damn yuppie rich brats, driving around in the brand new cars that Mommy and Daddy bought for them...going to college on Mommy and Daddy's money...(can you tell I don't like over-privileged, undeserving teenagers? Especially since I wasn't one and that was the basis of all my problems in HS but oh well...)

Jess "Morgendorfer"

Daria: Do you believe everything adults tell you? Gupty Kids: Yes Daria: What if 2 adults tell you totally opposite things?

Lucky bastard. You must have had a better high school experience than mine if those were all the problems you had.

Dagny- cynic, general loony

http://urbanspacemen.arecool.net

"I'm not different for the sake of being different, only for the desperate sake of being myself. I can't join your gang: you'd think I was a phoney and I'd know it." Vivian Stanshall

Well, that and the fact that I had a higher IQ than the whole student body or faculty...<grin>

Jess "Morgendorfer"

Daria: Do you believe everything adults tell you? Gupty Kids: Yes Daria: What if 2 adults tell you totally opposite things?

JMStargazr wrote:

As we were driving by Wilsonville, I actually *did* wave, heh heh. When I explained to my boyfriend why I was doing it, and I mentioned your high school "fun." He just said, "Oooh... I *know* what high school she went to," with a look of pity on his face. <g> You've got our condolences. :-)

--J.

JMStargazr wrote:

Heh... you live in Wilsonville... heh heh.

For the rest of you, she's right, it *is* a yuppie little rich Portland worker commuter town. BTW, i'm up in downtown Portland, and I'll be drivin' past you today on the way down to Woodburn, to spend the day with my SO and his family... I'll wave when I go by.

(And then everyone else in the car will demand to know just what the hell I'm doing... heh heh, oh well, it won't be the first time.)

--J.

My dad lives in Woodburn, also known as "Little Tijuana" and/or "Little Moscow". My dad and family are the only non-Mexican, non-Russian people on their block. Everyone on the block is pretty cool though. Heck, I lived with my dad for a while when I was a kid, and we used to hang out with the neighbors all the time. <grin> More than our own families. Jess "Morgendorfer"

Daria: Do you believe everything adults tell you? Gupty Kids: Yes Daria: What if 2 adults tell you totally opposite things?

Daria doesn't wear blue nail polish or excessive amounts of eyeliner, and I am wearing both today. ;P

"endless, nameless" wrote:

Hey, me too! Er... well, not the excessive eyeliner part, but definitely the blue nail polish. It's sparkly, too. (It doesn't take much to make me happy.)

--J.

Mine isn't sparkly, but I have sparkly blue as well. :) It's all chipped now, due to excessive guitar playing.

On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:48:38 +0100, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from "endless, nameless" , and it said:

Now now, there is _no_ such thing as excessive guitar playing! ;)

There is: when you go round a friend's house to revise the day before a Chemistry exam, and end up staying there until 12:30 in the evening playing his dad's guitar and then show up the next morning at the exam 5 mins late and totally unprepared. If you're incredibly lucky, as I was this time, the exam will be piss-easy and you'll finish 40 mins early. :)

On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:03:16 +0100, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from "endless, nameless" , and it said:

That's nothing. ;) I once stopped going to computer science class for an entire month (I was at a low point of my manic-depressive cycle, and was easily worn out entirely by fencing class, which was followed by CSci), and walked into class one day, and had the honor of being able to say, "Whoah! There's a test today!" By unraveling the concepts piece by piece, I managed to do quite well. That was fun. ;) I hope I never have to do that again. <:)

It's just too bad my conceptual comprehension doesn't translate well into actual programming ability...

In article , [email] wrote:

Uh Oh... seems like we have a major continuity problem on our hands ;)

Maybe we just saw the magic of the wonderbra in QtB :>

In my opinion, it wasn't that Daria doesn't have a figure (what is implicated in "I Don't") because we saw that in "Quinn The Brain" she does. First of all, the lady had an attitude with Daria as soon as she walked into the Bridal Shop. She said something like "Sorry Dearie, we only do weddings here, no funerals", this brings up another point, which is that Daria doesn't look that depressing when she walks into a room. Anyway, that lady obviously wasn't trying because no matter what Daria's figure, she could have taylored it to fit her. I mean, come on that's her job. I know they were trying to emphisize something but, for god's sake. DeVitoFreq (Christina) "Oh Daria,don't be shy.Show me your boobs"--Jane("Too Cute"),"I can't shoot my own mother.Not with paint,anyway."--Daria("The Daria Hunter"),"I'm not miserable,I'm just not like *them*"--Daria("The Misery Chick")

Mike Quinn wrote:

There have been other instances that show Daria has a nice figure... in "The Teachings of Don Jake" you could tell when Daria and Quinn were roused from sleep by Helen, and there were also indications in "Ill" when she was in the hospital. It wasn't as evident in "Road Worrier" but when she tripped over the rock at the start of Act III and pushed herself up you could tell a little bit.

This is pretty bad... analyzing the figure of a cartoon character. Guess I need to get out of the house more often and do something!

Marty Skywarn Storm Spotter KCB009

It is getting pretty weird. I hope we're not going to start having threads like "I could see her knickers in that scene", as happens on some tv show newsgroups. That would be just tooooo sleazy. Next we'll be having people posting URLs of Daria fake nudes! (Mind you it would be in keeping with the spirit of the show if there were some Brittany ones. Of course they wouldn't have to be fake in her case as she's the sort of girl who'd probably jump at doing a Playboy set. I wonder if MTV have thought of contacting Hugh Heffner about this...)

-Shez.

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If I remember correctly, it's already been done...

On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:41:34 +0100, Shez wrote:

"Oh, no! I won't do a nude scene! Unless you think it's crucial to my character..."

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Knickers...knickers...consulting my British to American phrasebook...

There was a controversy over "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" that in one particular scene that Jessica Rabbit ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way") wasn't wearing any underwear. It seems the Disney animators were horsing around a little, having fun, and ended up embarrassing the company, if not Jessica. The scene was still there when the movie came out on tape so voyeuristic home viewers could study the tape frame by frame. I have the movie on Laserdisc, CLV, but I was able to copy the segment to tape for study to see what the fuss was about�not especially interesting, she's just a cartoon after all. I understand that in more recent releases the offending frames were omitted.

Actually, as I've mentioned before, Daria would fit right in in Playboy� in an interview. Daria's a literate, modern woman and I think Playboy ought to be glad to talk to her. They did a segment on Beavis & Butthead, why not Daria? I think Christie would be glad to have Daria appear in her magazine�full-clothed and as cynical and sarcastic as she wants to be.

RIGHT! Here is a lost of words not to be used again: Bum, Botty, Knickers, Semprini...

Semprini?

Great! Then there'd be another thing for me to wait for someone to post on a newsgroup to read like the Kurt Vonnegut article a little while back... oh, Christie is one of the few people with my birthday- November 8. Along with Bonnie Raitt. Dammit, I have a boring birthday.

Dagny- cynic, general loony

http://urbanspacemen.arecool.net

"I'm not different for the sake of being different, only for the desperate sake of being myself. I can't join your gang: you'd think I was a phoney and I'd know it." Vivian Stanshall

[email] (Eccles9697) wrote:

All right then, who said Semprini?!?

rich.

Jane: Usually when I have this dream I'm wearing pink taffeta.

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You mean the Kurt Vonnegut article "Last Words for a Century" in which "America's favorite visionary asks the question, 'where the fuh- kar-wee?' and looks to Kilgore Trout for the answer"? (January 1999)

There are no boring birthdays, only boring people. How could your birthday possibly be boring?

Yeppers, I FINALLY read it when it was posted on alt.books.kurt-vonnegut... where we discussed for a long time "Woah, people actually right things in Playboy? And people read it?"

No one cool was born on it. And I wish someone was to make up for the fact that this really really annoying girl at my school shares my birthday.

Dagny- cynic, general loony

http://urbanspacemen.arecool.net

"I'm not different for the sake of being different, only for the desperate sake of being myself. I can't join your gang: you'd think I was a phoney and I'd know it." Vivian Stanshall

A really annoying girl at my school shares my birthday. Coincidentally she is also half greek.

Argh no, I just spilled water on my walkman and it doesn't work now. :(

A really annoying boy at school shares my birthday! And he's half-Greek too! Spooky!

hm..November 8th....Herman Rorschach (the ink blot test guy), Margaret Mitchell (wrote "Gone With The Wind), Rickie Lee Jones (singer), Morley Safer (60 Minutes journalist), Milton Bradley (game manufacturer), Margaret Seddon (US Astronaut)...enough cool people now?

Jess "Morgendorfer"

Daria: Do you believe everything adults tell you? Gupty Kids: Yes Daria: What if 2 adults tell you totally opposite things?

I see... a herd of wild ponies running free across the plains ;)

Dagny- cynic, general loony

http://urbanspacemen.arecool.net

"I'm not different for the sake of being different, only for the desperate sake of being myself. I can't join your gang: you'd think I was a phoney and I'd know it." Vivian Stanshall

Hmmm... alt.tv.daria people doing inkblots would be really quite scary :P Better still, Daria inkblots! I see ... hmmm.... Aha! Rotting fruit and and a small gazelle being beheaded! It would be quite fun if we all did the same inkblot and compared, tho :)

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I see rampant creeping socialism, the breakdown of public mores, and the death of the nuclear family, but then again, I may just be channeling Reagan.

Coool...

Aah well.

Dagny- cynic, general loony

http://urbanspacemen.arecool.net

"I'm not different for the sake of being different, only for the desperate sake of being myself. I can't join your gang: you'd think I was a phoney and I'd know it." Vivian Stanshall

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No, we saw the magic of animation, where a character can be easily drawn "off model" for dramatic effect.

I suspect the truth of what Daria looks like under the baggy clothes is somewhere in the middle, maybe close to the Olympic Gymnast alter-ego.

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Alli said:

If you were as thin as the way they draw Trent, you wouldn't be alive :)

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

I'm still alive. ;) Well, sorta <lol>. Anyhow, I view myself as fat. I know I'm not, really, but I can't help thinking that. So I think that to be thin, someone has to be thinner than me. :)

Ever see those charity commercials with those starving people in Africa?.. Or, if you want skinny, try your local encyclopedia and look up "Holocaust". --- ~Po

"Don't feel bad about not feeling good." ~TME

See, this is why I view myself as fat. How am I supposed to feel thin when there's pictures of the Holocaust in all my History text books, and all these tiny skinny children on the news and adverts for charities? ;)

Hey you could become a model and pose for those adverts!

-Shez.

I'm not anywhere near *that* thin. :P

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I'll have you know that I AM as thin as Trent and medical science dictates that I am indeed alive. I only sleep half as much as him though.

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Here's a better question: are you as cute as Trent?

[email] wrote:

Now, who didn't see *that* one coming? ;-)

You know, John, if you just ditch the art thing and start learning to play electric guitar....

rich.

Helen: Bureaucracy is the price we pay for impartiality.

Jake: Jefferson!

Helen: Stalin.

DeVitoFreq wrote:

This one was on MTV yesterday. Actually, to my eye, they're built about the same; Daria doesn't look any thinner to me than Quinn does. She may be, but I can't tell.

Marty Skywarn Storm Spotter KCB009

Quinn: Does this black match? Daria: Matches my mood. - Quinn the Brain

I think that Daria is about the same size as Quinn, it's just the coat and hair that make her look fatter. Any way does any one else find themselves thinking that Daria would be even more the queen of sarcastic coolness if she just did some thing with her hair. Thats the one thing that really bugs me! Ally

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I like the rather natural way she keeps her hair. I think it looks beautiful, precisely because it's unaffected.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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I agree that I like Daria's hairstyle, but I'm not sure I'd call it unaffected. It's quite obvious that she works at it just a little to keep it looking nice. We've seen Daria when her hair is disheveled, as when rising in the morning, or when caught in a rain shower, and afterwards her hair comes back to being neatly combed, probably brushed too. She doesn't make a big thing about it but she does seem to care about how she looks, even just a little.

R K Henry said:

Well, I'd assume she washes, combs, and brushes it. If you don't do that, shoulder-length hair will turn into a rat's-nest. My point is that what she does is essentially simple and hygenic stuff. The result I think is nicer than an elaborate coiffure.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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If she were really interested only in a low-maintenance hairstyle she'd just chop it off ultra-short like so many women do these days. (Personally I don't like such short hair on women but who am I to judge?) The fact that Daria wears her hair long makes just as much of a fashion statement as anything that Quinn might do.

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I don't know, I think her hairstyle is lower maintenence than a buzz cut, if her hair is anything like mine. I have shoulder length hair and it only takes a minute for me to brush it in the morning before I go. And unlike really short hair, you don't have to go get it cut nearly as often. I often go 6-8 months between haircuts.

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Well, any choice we make concerning our appearance can be considered a fashion statement, but in this case I suspect that her choice was made based largely on practicality. (If nothing else than at least because Quinn probably hogs the bathroom in the mornings. We've seen what she loks like in the morning; she must do a lot of work to get her normal cuteness standard.)

Ann

I was contemplating cutting all my hair off, but I realised that my head would get cold.

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That's what hats are for, dear.

Hats fall off, and get in the way, and stuff. :)

Alli said:

Converesely, if you cut your head off, your hair would get cold.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

Yeah, that was on my mind when I almost cut my head off (using a train <lol>) last week. <g>

Robert K Henry said:

Daria's beauty is timeless. Quinn's a cute little girl ... Daria's a woman, even at 17. Which is, I think, part of what Trent notices about her.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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I think Daria's still a little of both. At times she's depicted with a very mature patrician bearing that makes her seem quite sophisticated. At other times the way she's depicted she's still somewhat a child, almost but not quite ready for adulthood. I don't think this is by accident. The Daria creative team doesn't seem to have many accidents. Caught in the middle, vacillating between ready and not quite ready, Daria perfectly illustrates the problems and challenges of growing up, an excellent role model for young people facing the challenges of growing up and us older audience members who despite our best efforts are still working on it.

I'm still not sure whether Trent notices her at all. Daria's limerent relationship with Trent remains an enigma.

RKHenry wrote:

I can't remember where I saw it, but I read somewhere that this is supposed to be addressed during the remainder of the third season. Of course, we won't know for sure until the eps are actually aired, but then you already knew that right?? :-)

Marty Skywarn Storm Spotter KCB009

Trent: You're my muse, you know... Daria: Really?

Robert K. Henry said:

Well, she *is* only 17 ...

She is very sophisticated in some ways. She is self-confident in many ways, and has the courage of her convictions. She is also aware, through both her high and low-brow interests (great literature and *Sick Sad World*) that there is a reality outside of and more important than high school.

She is also very innocent in some ways. Most obviously sexually, but it's a lot more general than that. She is uncompromising, partially because she hasn't learned enough yet to know WHEN to compromise; and she is uncertain about how to act in many social situations which she knows well in theory but has never actually practiced.

Her combination of sophistication and innocence make her very attractive.

Indeed. Her intelligence and integrity make her an admirable role model, too. Daria isn't someone who settles for less than the best she can do in any situation.

He definitely notices her ... the question is "as what".

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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My take on the entire subject (not just your particular post, Jordan) is that people are rationalizing. They associate a certain personality type, which is negative in their opinion, to people who look like Quinn. They know Daria's personality, find it positive, and rationalize themselves into thinking she's more attractive than she is.

Kyle of writes:

Yeah, did you hear what Quinn got Daria for her birthday? A brown paper bag!

-Shez.

Kyle said:

Actually, we've seen Quinn's personality displayed in considerable detail on the show. If Quinn looked like she did, but demonstrated a different sort of personality, we would consider her to be a different sort of person.

into thinking she's more attractive than she is.

"Attractive" means "capable of attracting". Furthermore, personality factors into appearance to some degree ... a face animated by honesty intelligence is considerably more appealing (to the honest and intelligent) than that of a shallow dullard.

The reaction Daria gets from her many fans tells us just how attractive she really is.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

[email] (JBassior) wrote:

That reminds me-- my mom caught a few episodes of "Daria," and her only criticism of the show was that the students seemed a little old for HS students. She felt that the characters acted a little bit old for HS students. But, hey, at least she watches it every now and then, which is cool, considering that she's in her 60s. <g>

If you look at the other cheerleaders and some of the "background folks" in "Daria Dance Party," you'll see her point. But then again, most of the backfground characters are based on people on staff, so naturally they'll look a little old for HS.

from my comfier chair, rich.

Jane: You're a twisted little cruller, ain't'cha?

I thought her "big hair" look was meant to be part of her unfashionableness. It does look better when a rainstorm forces it to lie flat though. Maybe she should get a hairstyle like Andrea's. But then she would look cool, and looking cool is the start of the slippery slope towards style over substance. The world is full of people who look cool, but sadly when you try talking to them you often find there's nobody home.

-Shez.