"Lucky Strike" - one of the best episodes ever (spoilers)

Absolutely great. Quinn finally admits that Daria is her sister and the Fashion Club knew it all along.

Spoiler Space Child! Spoiler Space for Episode # 506!!!
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"X" wrote in message news:1VTv6.817$[email]...

I have to admit this episode just made me smile!

I'm still smiling!

I haven't felt this good since FLM! It was absolutely a wonderful episode.

Firah

"Firah" wrote in message news:X7Uv6.6825$[email]...

Except Sandi....

Smile? I spent most of it laughing hysterically. This gets an A from me.

"Jeg7777" wrote in message news:99p5aj$2e9$[email]...

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It was that too.

I knew it was going to be a good episode when I has laughing out loud multiple times before the first commercial break.

However 'Lucky Strike' still made me very, very happy!

Hell, I haven't felt this type of 'joy' in regards to an episode since the FLM or the end of IIFY!

The quips were fast, sharp, and furious! There were so many good lines in this episode that I'm watching it again, for the 5th time tonight, to catch them all.

And is Mr. DeMartino the PIMP or what?!

He wore Ms Li down!

Ms Li: Don't think you can scare me with your threat to picket naked!

Mr. DeMartino: Do you think I'm BLUFFING?! This is Goodwill polyester I've been sweating in all night. I WANT to picket naked!

Mr. DeMartino had Ms Li calling him 'poppi' when it was all over!

And I quote "Poppi, you don't have to use a weapon on me to do your bidding."

Ah yeah!

Firah.

"Firah" wrote in message news:XdVv6.12$[email]...

Someone's probably answered this but that was "Puffy" as in Sean "Puffy" Combs.

A voice crying in the wilderness ([email] (Jeg7777)) was heard to say in :

My first post to alt.tv.daria, and already I'm defending Sandi. She knew Daria was Quinn's sister; she spent most of the second half of the episode obliquely alluding to the fact, in her usual style, and used her standard pretending-to-be-shocked voice when Quinn finally acknowledged Daria.

Sandi was definitely backsliding in this episode. Personally, I hope this changes - I get the impression that, like Quinn, Sandi could be smart if she applied herself. (Having spent my own high school years being bitter, resentful, paranoid, hostile, and snotty, I identify completely with Sandi. I think what she needs is a friend who can get her to loosen up and have some fun, and get her out of the Fashion Club - Tiffany and Stacy would rather have Quinn as the President anyway.)

(Yes, I spend way too much of my time thinking about Sandi.)

The acknowledgement scene was great. I wasn't sure until the last possible moment that Quinn would actually reveal the truth. Definitely Peter Elwell's best script to date. The weird thing is that I've been working on a _Daria_ story that has a scene where Quinn tells Tiffany and Stacy (Sandi having already left the Club) and their reaction in my story was virtually identical - they always knew, they were just being polite. That was kind of an eerie moment in the show for me...

I would have given it an A+ just for Trent and Mr. O'Neill writing protest songs, but this was one of those episodes that was almost all classic moments. (And about a year's worth of .sig file quotes.)

-Mark

We've got spoiler sign!

Well, I wasn't aware she'd moved forward. There was that scene in FLM when the rank and file didn't respond to Their Mistress's Voice, but her expression looked less like satori and more like unease. I suspect it will take an open rebellion before Sandi does some soul-searching -- first realizing she has one -- and realizes her unsubtle bullying only distances her from her friends. Or at least gives her those little lines from scowling so much.

(Sorry. I spent high school like Daria, only with fewer friends. Yeah, OK, you know you want to say it ...)

"Frank Mitchell" wrote in message news:[email]...

this

bitter,

Sandi.

Join the club. But we're all among friends here, right?

A voice crying in the wilderness ([email] (Frank Mitchell)) was heard to say in :

I didn't mean to suggest that she'd become St. Sandi of Avila, but I thought she showed progress in #505 - she supported Quinn's idea to do a newsletter, she contributed to it and helped sell it, and when it failed she didn't blame Quinn.

She must have at least gotten an inkling in _Fat Like Me_ that she has no real friends other than Quinn (and even Quinn had to be manipulated by Daria before she reached out to Sandi).

The scenes of Sandi at home, lying in bed and feeling sorry for herself struck a chord with me - I spent most of eleventh grade that way, and almost flunked out of high school because of it. No one came to my rescue, either, I just gradually got less depressed.

Please note that I omitted "popular" from the list of similarities between me and Sandi. I was an utter geek in high school, the kind of guy the Fashion Club would have stared at in horror. I didn't know how to drive (my family didn't own a car), I was always broke, I was a conspiracy theorist (sad but true), and the entire concept of dating was outside my grasp. A year and a half after I graduated I started dating the only woman I've ever dated; we got married six years later, and we're still together. When I say she saved my life, I'm not exaggerating. Anyway, I'm doing a lot better now. It just occurred to me, though, that one of the reasons I love _Daria_ so much is Lawndale High - it's my high school, only much, much, better.

(Jeez, that's scary.)

-Mark Steese

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Steese" Newsgroups: alt.tv.daria Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:03 PM Subject: Re: "Lucky Strike" - one of the best episodes ever (spoilers)

It just occurred to me, though, that one of the reasons I

I'd have to agree with you there. My high school is basically Fashion Club to the 10th power.

Shadow

Shadow wrote in message news:pM1A6.216$[email]...

Hmmmm.... It's off the scale on the horrifometer!

Yeah. Apparently she was so damn jealous of Quinn getting a better grade that she was ready to reveal what she thought was Quinn's most humiliating secret. Not nice, Sandi, not nice. And it backfired.

M Man

A voice crying in the wilderness ([email] (MMan37x)) was heard to say in :

Right. I wonder where they're going to go with this - I think Sandi played her last ace and Quinn was holding a straight flush. To judge from the last scene between Daria and Quinn, Sandi's jealousy stemmed from her belief that Daria would naturally give Quinn preferential treatment (untrue, but not unreasonable). Sandi _might_ be willing to be on equal terms with Quinn, but it looks like Quinn is on top at this point.

Maybe Sandi will go full-throttle into rebellion at this point, dump the Fashion Club out of spite, and go goth or something. Not terribly likely, but it could be hilarious if it was done right. Sandi as a Mystik Spiral groupie? Perhaps she could join the Lawndale High swim team - imagine how horrified the FC would be if she became a jock.

God, I'm going to miss this show when it ends.

-Mark Steese

Mark Steese wrote:

So will I, even though I'm a newcomer to the series.

Sandi might dump the Fashion Club out of spite, but I don't think she'll go Goth or join the Lawndale High swim team -- she swam, but it was primarily to lose weight. She might simply self-destruct in a vain attempt to regain control -- that seems more likely to me, but the writers know better than I do.

Belle Book

A voice crying in the wilderness ([email] (Belle Book)) was heard to say in : S o m e _ S p o i l e r _ s p a c e _ f i r s t

Oh, I don't think either or my ideas will happen, but then I didn't think that Sandi would ever tearfully embrace Quinn, that Quinn would ever start thinking for herself or acknowledge that Daria was her sister without being forced to, that Daria would get a regular boyfriend (especially not Jane's regular boyfriend) - and I didn't think Mr. DeMartino would become the hero of the kids at the O.K. to Cry Corral, either! Yet they all happened, and the writers made it work, so they may yet decide to redeem Sandi. I hope they do - Sandi and Jane are my favorite characters on the show.

Mark Steese wrote:

I never thought Sandi would tearfully embrace Quinn, either. Nor did I exactly think that Quinn would ever willingly acknowledge that Quinn was her sister, either, but since I came on board the bandwagon when "Is It Fall Yet?" was being aired (I first saw "Dye! Dye! My Darling", THEN IIFY?), I think I was a little more willing to believe that Quinn would be willing to think for herself or that Mr. DeMartino would become a hero to the kids at the O.K. to Cry Corral. However, even though I hadn't seen a Daria episode before DDMD, I was STILL surprised when Tom kissed Daria in that episode -- mainly because I thought that Daria had managed to defuse a potential sticky situation. And yes, the writers made all the things work (and they gave Stacy a backbone, too), so there's still hope for Sandi. In fact, I doubt there are many regular characters who are unredeemable OR flawless (Ms. Li may be a notable exception in the unredeemable category).

Belle Book

"Mark Steese" wrote in message news:[email]...

Sandi.

I think Sandi may have guessed at it but wasn't sure. I don't think she's as intelligent as Quinn.

A voice crying in the wilderness ([email] (Jeg7777)) was heard to say in :

W o o ! W o o ! A l l _ a b o a r d _ t h e _ s p o i l e r _ e x p r e s s !

Maybe not, but she didn't have to guess - she and Stacy were at the assembly in _Esteemsters_ - they both turned and stared at Quinn when Daria identified her as her sister. (I've always wondered how Quinn talked her way out of that one.) Also, Sandi's pretty observant - she picked up on Bobby the Bellboy's ulterior motives in "Fire!," for instance. She's also fairly articulate. Her main problem, I think, is that she doesn't want to be smart - and if she tried to become smart, she'd probably find herself once again in a losing race with Quinn. Her only hope now is to find something she can do that Quinn can't do - otherwise, she's going to end up as the Mr. DeMartino of the Fashion Club ("Tiffany! That is easily the STUPIDEST remark EVER made about lip gloss in the entire HISTORY of COSMETICS! Would you care to ADD anything, Miss ROWE?")

-Mark Steese
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"Mark Steese" wrote in message news:[email]...

Daria

I think she was just jealous of the attention and trying to frighten Quinn. It happened to be sort of correct.

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heh heh.....

Are we all getting sigs from Lucky Strike? :-)

Sandi knew that Daria was Quinn's sister. What she didn't know was that Stacy and Tiffany knew this too.

Oh, other parts I loved ...

That scene at the end between Daria and Quinn, in which it's made totally obvious, without either of them explicitly saying it, that they love each other.

The creepy Lit Teacher, and the fact that the "sophisticated" Fashion Club totally failed to realize that he was hitting on them. :)

The bit where Quinn is (half-innocently, but it's obvious that she had caught that there was Something Wrong with the Lit Teacher) chattering on about him and Daria catches what's going on before Helen, and goes to get the phone, and manages to be right there with the receiver to hand to Helen when Helen finally does her double-take, realizes that the Lit teacher is trying to seduce Tiffany, and asks for the phone to call Ms. Li :D

I'll always wonder how long they've known. Sandi and Tiffany have both acted confused about Daria's identity on occasions when Daria was present and Quinn was absent (Misery Chick, It Happened One Nut, and Just Add Water). Why pretend for Daria's sake?

I can believe that Stacy's always known.

I noticed that too. Especially since he was about as subtle as a rockslide.

M Man

"MMan37x" wrote in message news:[email]...

Stacy

acted

Quinn

Well, they could be pretending not so much for Daria's sake as for simplicity -- it could get complicated if they pretend for Quinn that they don't know, but acknowledge to Daria that they do. They could also be protecting Quinn from Daria, in a sense, by not acknowledging the relationship to Daria . . . . After all, if Daria knew that the FC knew, maybe she could use that to tease Quinn.

jen

In article , MMan37x wrote: SPOILER SPACE for the needy...

(The Rev. Needy will be collecting at the door)

Question: How long have they known?

Another question: Where was the Fashion Club during that award ceremony at the end of Esteemsters?

Just a thought...

I've thought about that too.

They may just have not been paying attention?

Doubtless they were pretty thick if they didn't figure it out. Which doesn't mean they figured it out :-)

M Man

To keep up appearances and make Daria think that they didn't know.

Though note _which_ FC'er he chose to hit on in particular. This would be foreshadowing if the show followed them into adult life -- confirming my suspicions as to Tiffany's ultimate fate (marry a rich older man).

Hmmm. But - why would care if Daria thinks they know?

And why has Sandi kept her "trump card" this long? Why not use it in "The Daria Hunter", for example?

Edwards is rich???? Did you leave something out here?

M Man

MMan37 said:

Because Quinn obviously preferred that Daria thinks they don't know.

Edwards isn't rich by adult standards, but he almost certainly is by _Tiffany's_ standards.

"Jordan S. Bassior" wrote in message news:[email]...

Stacy

I guess I'm in the minority here, but that's okay. It won't be the first time. :-)

"You're writing about gardening?" :-)

This episode had many great moments.

Jordan S. Bassior wrote:

Tiffany definitely DIDN'T realize that Mr. Edwards was really trying to hit on her -- her question if his book was about gardening was priceless! He might've done better if he hit on Sandi or Stacy -- or Quinn before she began really maturing. At this stage, I'm not certain he would've been very successful with Quinn. On the other hand, he might've considered that Tiffany's obliviousness to him might help him seduce her (which Daria and Helen thwarted with the half-innocent aid of Quinn).

I think Quinn half-suspected Mr. Edwards was trying to seduce Tiffany and that she made her remark due to her secret suspicions. Daria, of course, caught on immediately, while Helen (caught up in work) needs about a minute for the information to sink in. But that was a neat bit too.

And I liked seeing how Quinn and Daria hinted that they love each other without coming out and saying it.

Oh, and who can forget the look on Quinn's face when Daria announces herself as the new substitute teacher? And the Good Daria/Evil Daria bit earlier? Priceless! :D

Belle Book

Belle Book said:

might've

obliviousness

Sandi is way too suspicious for the sort of seduction Edwards was attempting to work on her (though she might be vulnerable to someone whom she became convinced was really her friend).

Quinn is intelligent and has strong moral values. If what everyone's assuming about her attitude is right, she caught on fairly quickly to the fact that Edwards was totally trying to use them.

Stacy, of course, would be pretty easy to seduce, if you complimented her and even halfway tried to convince her that you really cared about her. This is one of the reason she's going to have a crappy life if she doesn't gain some self-esteem -- fortunately, she seems to be gaining it.

I think he zeroed in on Tiffany because he's a very superficial sort of man, who is really only looking for sex no matter what else he claims, and Tiffany _looks_ like a classic fantasy object (the innocent young Asian girl). Even though she's really about as sensuous as a log.

("Would ... I ... look ... GOOD ... as a ... log?") :)

That scene was beautiful. :)

"Let's go for pizza" :)

Jordan S. Bassior wrote:

Priceless! :D Obviously he doesn't know that Tiffany's about as sensuous as a log (and he never will, thanks to Quinn, Helen, and Daria).

Good point about Sandi. I stand corrected on her. As for Stacy, I read "The Emancipation of Stacy Rowe", so I know she'd be an easy target if somebody complimented her and tried halfway to convince her that he really cared about her. I'm glad she's finally gaining more self-esteem, as she's going to need it!

That was a fun way to end the gag!

Belle Book

A voice crying in the wilderness ([email] (Jordan S. Bassior)) was heard to say in : Y o u _ d o n ' t - p a y - u s _ e n o u g h _ t o _ b u y _ s p o i l e r _ s p a c e

That was a great scene. Terrific voice acting from Tracy Grandstaff when she says the word "Sis."

The teacher also had virtually the same voice as the creepy Minister who was hitting on Quinn in "I Don't."

I loved that scene as well. (The fact that Daria was reading "As I Lay Dying" was an inexplicably perfect touch.) In re-watching it I discovered that Quinn did realize what the teacher was up to - when Helen says "He was stroking Tiffany's hair?", Quinn says, "I know! Like Tiffany would ever date someone who wore a tweed jacket." Gotta love Quinn's fine-tuned sense of priorities.

-Mark Steese

Firah wrote in message ...

Second that emotion!

This had so much going for it. * Quinn following up on IIFY when it comes to schoolwork and getting closer to Daria. We're probably not going to get a hug out of these two until the finale..maybe even the final scene..but Daria calling Quinn "Sis" was quite touching. * The admission of sisterhood. Maybe anti-climatic in the way we might have imagined it happening, the way Quinn was so matter of fact about it. It wasn't forced out of her. Then again, the fact she came right out and said it, helped the two of them bond. * The FC knew!??! Holy O Henry, Batman. Might Staci reach out for Daria's friendship? * Ms Li's negotiations with DeMartino were great yucks! * So was the protest song. * Daria's teaching. She may have found something she likes as a career option besides writing. And it may hit her later that she didn't alienate anyone. And we can see she's grown because she didn't put anyone down. * "I KNOW THIS STUFF!" * Tiffany's self-absorption has been a highlight of the season. "Thiiiiiiiiink???" * That goofball English Lit sub..and Quinn's describing his actions to Helen.

LS must be one of the top three episodes in the series.

Joe

"Men who never make passes At women who wear glasses Are asses." -- Rita Rudner

Firah wrote:

Yeah I was smiling so big... and then they showed Gettysbare *cringe* but still I'm smiling... it was perfect! One of my all time faves.