Least Favorite Episodes

This weeks survey: what are your least favorite episodes?

Mine are Depth Takes a Holiday, Gifted, and Prize Fighters.

"GeoBQn" wrote in message news:[email]...

I totally agree about Depth Takes a Holiday.

At the time it was first running, Pierce Me was my least favorite because it ran a few thousand times the week it first aired. It was an okay episode, not my favorite, but they just ran it into the ground.

I'd kinda like to see it now, though.

jessica

I agree about "Prize Fighters", which I call "Prize Triters".

I've never seen "Gifted".

I used to dislike "Depth Takes a Holiday", but that one has kind of grown on me.

Least favorite:

The Old and the Beautiful, The F Word, Groped by an Angel, Fizz Ed, Prize Fighters, A Tree Grows in Lawndale.

M Man

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner, folks. Yeppers, those are it.

DTAH is in my top five.

Al

On 03 Aug 2001 02:46:00 GMT, [email] (GeoBQn) wrote:

I don't really have one. Some are weaker than others, but I find something genuinely funny in all that I have seen.

******Martin Edwards.******

Come on! Nobody's gonna drive that lousy freeway when you can take the Red Car for a nickel

-Eddy Valiant

In article , [email] says...

Yep, "Depth" was pretty bad.

The Misery Chick The New Kid The Old and the Beautiful Daria Dance Party Jane's Addition Partner's Complaint Art Burn

Mine would be Groped by an Angel and Camp Fear. Those are the only ones I generally don't like very much at all, but Camp Fear had at least one good line (echolalia), but those are my least favorites. The F Word and The New Kid are weak, however.

-Adam

something to ponder:: Whose bright idea was it to hire Jonathan Greensburg anyway??

GeoBQn wrote:

     - "The Lawndale Files" (they were sort of playing fast and loose with the
characterizations on this one)
     - "Just Add Water" (of the episodes using this formula, this one's easily
the weakest)
     - "Lane Miserables" (totally contrived)
     - "The Old & The Beautiful" (I sense a pattern forming)
     - "Legends of the Mall" (Much, much more poorly-written and conceived than
the oft-bashed "Depth Takes A Holiday." I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned
yet. It terrifies me to think that it actually might be someone's *favourite*.)

MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")

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Belle Book wrote:

I have yet to see "Gifted" or PF, and surprisingly enough, I liked DTAH. It'll never be in my top 10, but I did think it rather fun.

Mine would probably be "Just Add Water" and "A Tree Grows in Lawndale".

Belle Book

"Belle Book" wrote in message news:[email]...

It'll

I knew if I waited long enough someone would post my least favorite episode.

I have one more to add, and it's not because the episode was bad, but because the person in that episode was so utterly evil and loathesome, I still cannot watch it to this day.

The person I am speaking of is Val. The episode is 'The Lost Girls'

She was the uber version of Aunt Rita, if Aunt Rita had ambition that is.

Firah

Firah wrote:

Well, I don't know if Val's strictly evil, but I will say she's loathsome. I definitely don't like her. At best, she's so pathetic because she thought that by acting like a teenager and saying words such as "edgy", she'd understand teenagers, and instead she's living in a complete dream world, as Daria pointed out to her.

Belle Book

And none of the teenagers at LHS seemed very impressed by Val. A few (like Brittany) were mildly star-struck for a minute or two when first meeting her, but that quickly faded (note Brittany's lackluster "cheer" for Val).

Val's biggest booster was not a teen, but Ms. Li. Even Ms. Li was seeing through her by the end of the episode.

M Man

"MMan37x" wrote in message news:[email]...

DTAH.

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I must admit that "The Lost Girls" was the only episode that made Ms Li seem downright human.

Firah

M Man wrote:

Well, I can certainly see why none of the teenagers are very impressed with Val and why Ms. Li would see through Val -- the impression Val gives is of someone who just "doesn't get it" and never will. She'll never learn, because she doesn't have the capacity to learn, nor does she really have the desire to do so. In that sense, she's a foil to Daria because Daria has both the capacity to learn and (at least sometimes) the desire to learn.

Belle Book

But supposedly Val is everything that would appeal to the non-Darias-and-Janes of the world - the Britannys, Fashion Clubbers, etc.

Was Val too shallow even for the shallow people? Or are Daria's schoolmates less shallow than she gives them credit for? Or a bit of both?

M Man

Unless the Brittanys and the Fashion Clubbers dub Val as a poser. People who see themselves as the goddesses of fashion would not like a person who attaches to their coattails, trying desperately to be like them. They just try too hard.

jessica

Hw�t! We have heard of the glory of [email] (MMan37x) that wrote news:[email], on the day of 08 Aug 2001:

Not the Fashion Clubbers - we all know that their bible is 'Waif.' ^_^

I'd say a bit of both. Quinn sensed that there was something off about Val ("Is she a little old for that outfit?"), and Sandi was utterly unimpressed. It wasn't just her shallowness, but her aggressively clueless attitude - she published a recipe for Chili with *cheese puffs*! That's bad even by Jake's culinary standards.

Val was a vicious caricature of the kind of clueless exploiters of teen culture who dominate television, movies, publishing, music, and just about everything else these days; she imagined that she was in tune with youth culture, but she didn't even realize that a group of teens that call themselves the Fashion Club might prefer their own clothes over blue-and- yellow 'School Colors' outfits.

It's interesting to note that the person most enthusiastic about Val was Mr. O'Neill, who imagines himself to be in touch with the teens at Lawndale even though he doesn't have a clue. Hmm.

"The Lost Girls" was the first episode of 'Daria' I ever saw, so I do have a special fondness for it, I admit. It is pretty strange, though, to think that my whole Sandi fetish started when I first heard her utter those magic words: "Um, Val? Sandi Griffin, Fashion Club President - if I may. Mixing primaries during daylight hours? Not done." If the first episode I saw had been "Daria Dance Party," who knows what would have happened?

Oh, and for the record, my least favorite episodes are "Prize Fighters," "The New Kid," and "The Old and the Beautiful," in that order, but "Prize Fighters" is the only one I have trouble finding *any* redeeming value in.

Mark Steese a/k/a Corvus Marinus

It's a bit of a contradiction, though - if Val can't impress Brittany or Sandi, who's buying her magazine? Apparently Val was a financial success. Even Daria, who despised her from the beginning, was familiar with the name and the magazine. *Someone*'s not put off by chess puff recipes ( and I doubt that Jake is a regular reader, or typical of Val's readers).

Apparently Val just comes off less well in person than in print. Certainly that was Brittany's response. But from what we heard about the magazine, it isn't apparent why - Val plasters herself all over it, and makes regular personal and TV appearances, from what we heard.

And even he was looking dubious when Val started speaking in his class.

Ah, *that* explains it! :-)

(The first episode I saw was "Speed-Trapped". I keep waiting for more country music on Daria. Maybe Travis will make an appearance in IICY :-) ).

Yeah, for once Sandi has a worthy target for her put-downs, instead of picking on nice girls like Stacy.

Too bad we didn't get to see Upchuck try to hit on Val - better yet, Tommy Sherman.

Right on about "Prize Triters" (sic).

I've always like "The New Kid", though, and find it rather sad Ted and Daria couldn't get together. Though I find Ted's *parents* about as appealing as Val.

M Man

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Ted: That's the phonograph my Dad and I made. And from what I hear about television, this is just as good! Hey, I have some early music played on period instruments. You feel like you're right there with the viola da gamba!

"MMan37x" kirjoitti...

Damn you stew haters. Jake is apparently a great cook when he sticks to the recipes he has tried before. But he also likes to experiment and that can lead to catastrophic results. In the other hand, it may not.

The reason for the kitchen sink stew fiasco was because he forgot that the environment was different. Jake seems to be the person who does most of the *actual* cooking -- vs. heating some microwave lasagna -- in the Morgendorffer household. As he likes spicy food (and who wouldn't... :-P~ ), he probably filled the kitchen with all kinds of hot spice and sauce... Simple mistake and could happen to anyone.

But is the "Val" magazine even supposed to be read? If the primary audience of the magazine is ignorant teens and pre-teens, they may just as well check the magazine through for pictures of their idols and "Are you hot or not? Answer these 20 simple questions to find out!" -type features and skip all the longer text bodies.

The first *whole* episode I saw was "#412 - Fire!", even though nowadays I hardly remember anything about it. IMO it wasn't too special, but at least it was good enough to persuade me to watch the next episode, "#413 - Dye! Dye! My Darling!", which was such an excellent episode that it left me, almost literally, screaming for more "Daria".

Maybe this is one of the reasons why I have always been so fond of Jane. Maybe not. Who knows?

Anyway, YLE does it's series purchases in whole seasons, so the next week it was Season Three rerun starting with "#301 - Through A Lens Darkly" and the distraction together with a quirk in #302 drove me look for additional advice using Google. Using my l337 skillz, I picked Outpost Daria from the results list. You can guess the rest...

The problem was that Ted was a flat, disposable, single-episode character. Any attempts to create deeper story arcs would have been very hard.

I fully agree.

"Aapo Laitinen" wrote in message news:YYwc7.383$[email]...

"Dye! Dye! My Darling! was the first episode of Daria I had seen in about 2 1/2 years. I had watched Daria, off and on, before but had stopped watching it around the beginning of Season 3. That was because MTV was moving it around the schedule and making it harder and harder to watch.

Dye! Dye! My Darling! was the episode that made me the rabid Daria fan that I am now.

I thought Jane was pretty cool in the early episodes (I still say her voice sounded better in the earlier seasons than it does now but that's another topic) but since DDMD she has emerged as one of my favorite characters as well.

I will defend Ms. Lane to the death! Even if she is lousy at picking boyfriends.

:)

Firah

You guys are telling my story. The same thing happend to me.

If only they'd had the guts to step away from their formulae earlier in the series, it might have developed the momentum needed to keep it from fading away just after completing enough episodes for theoretical syndication.

Funny how the idea that S4 and IIFY might be the last hurrah caused the producers to say WTF -- let's do what we want to do, before it's too late.

Contrast that with the next ep following, the fatally flawed Fizz Ed -- a sop to S1 fans that proves that GE should write what he feels like writing, rather than pandering to assumptions about the die-hard fan base. The shows in S5 that challenged those assumptions -- Lucky Strike, Boxing Daria -- are the standouts by far. And the S2-S3 shows we call "filler" -- Legends of the Mall, The Lawndale File, The Daria Hunter -- are formulaic and assume the audience is the target MTV seeks -- teenyboppers that don't wanna think to hard.

No offence meant to the teenyboppers that think.

Well, that's my reading of the situation, anyway.

Al

Hw�t! We have heard of the glory of "Aapo Laitinen" that wrote news:YYwc7.383$[email], on the day of 09 Aug 2001:

Hey! When you call me that, smile. ^_^ I love stew!

I *love* spicy food - I wasn't thinking of the kitchen sink stew. But I'd think twice before trying Jake's pesto, and it ain't because I dislike pesto. As for his Civil War recipes - hey, they've gotta be better than chili con cheese puffs (with a fresh sprig of mint).

You know, that's a good point. Val's the kind of magazine that would be supported primarily by ad revenue (like 'Vanity Fair'), and the kind of people who'd advertise in Val are the kind of people who'd believe that teens everywhere were reading it.

Not too special? That's the episode where the Fashion Club sits around the pool in their bikinis! Um...I mean...nah, nothing memorable about that episode. *^_^*

Seriously, though, I was staggered the first time I saw "Fire!," but I think that was because I'd already seen all of the previous episodes. I can see where it wouldn't make much impact as a first episode.

That was a truly great episode. I was on tenterhooks waiting for the movie to come out so I could find out what was going to happen with Daria, Jane, and Tom. I can't remember the last time a TV show got to me so thoroughly.

How could you not like Jane? The only reason I spend so much time talking about Sandi is because she's generally disliked, but if anybody ranks on Jane, they'll have me to answer to. Jane rules!

I'm inclined to agree with that; he would have been very difficult to write for, which may be one of the reasons he's only had a speaking part in one episode since.

They were pretty bad. But even they wouldn't have endorsed putting cheese puffs in chili. (Sorry to keep harping on that, but I really love chili. Cheese puffs! Argh!)

Mark Steese a/k/a Corvus Marinus Admittedly, it *was* the favorite of some guy named Matt.

Setting the house on fire is pretty catastrophic.

At least Jake, unlike Helen ("Jake of Hearts") can tell fish from meat.

On the other hand, Helen's never set the house on fire, while cooking or otherwise.

Hmmm. Aren't *most* magazines are supported primarily by ad revenue - if they're supported at all?

Aapo may be right. The Brittanys of the world look at all the pretty pictures and ignore the "Val asks Val fans what they think of Val" articles. Wack!

... sometimes one *really* wishes "Daria" was a live-action show ....

<Upchuck>

Babes in bikinis!!

GRRRRR!!!

</Upchuck>

Absolutely. Same reaction here. Waiting for DDMD was such a long week.

Well, most of the characters have looked flat early on in the series. Until ILAP, there wasn't much to Tom beyond his can't-we-get-along talk with Daria in "Jane's Addition". I think Ted could have been developed. Certainly some fanficcers have had a field day with him - a lot considering he's been 99% a one-episode guy.

Given what his parents are like, it's amazing Ted turned out as normal as he did.

Ted must have been adopted. I don't think Grant and Leslie could actually procreate. They make the Guptys look normal.

Maybe this was the "Matthew" Quinn talks to on the phone a few times in season one. He was never seen, was he?

M Man

In article , MMan37x wrote:

Yup. Many sell at or below cost to subscribers, so as to up the circulation and allow higher ad rates.

Hw�t! We have heard of the glory of Invid Fan that wrote news:110820010447537060%[email], on the day of 11 Aug 2001:

Mm-hm. I was thinking of the kind of magazine that has more ad pages than 'content' pages, but of course most magazines support themselves by ads. The only one I can think of offhand that doesn't run ads at all is 'Consumer Reports.' (For a long time 'Mad' magazine didn't run ads, but they changed that recently.) 'Vanity Fair' was an interesting case because it *lost* money for many years, but Conde Nast kept financing it because it was perceived to be 'hip.' Maybe Val's found herself a sugar daddy like Si Newhouse?

-Mark Steese a/k/a Corvus Marinus

Corvus Marinus wrote:

"cook's illustrated" is another magazine that has no adverts in it. although, in a way, they advertise. each month they'll take a certain cooking thing (like bread pans, or soy sauce, etc) and test different brands, recommending ones and not recommending others, etc.

but there are no adverts whatsoever. just recipes, tips, recommendations, etc. it's actually a fascinating magazine to read, even if you'd never make the stuff they're cooking.

ja ne hotaru

"Corvus Marinus" kirjoitti...

Well, I wasn't too serious when writing that. ;)

All I can remember are these scenes: Jake's stew pot boiling on the stove and Quinn and Daria getting on each other's nerves in the hotel room. I remember I saw the whole episode straight from the start, but all the rest, except those two scenes, is just blank.

Just about the same here, even though at that time I didn't know about IIFY. If someone had told me about IIFY's existence straight after #413, who knows what I might have done in order to get it. ;)

Even though I can't remember the last time before #413, I can remember the the only time since that:

"Five Votes Down"

Which added an another show to my rather short list TV preference.

I'm not a huge chili fan myself, so I'm not in a position to comment that. However, Pat Thai with cheese puffs? Argh!

Aapo Laitinen wrote:

You've got a good point there. The teens (at least in Lawndale) might not even have read all the longer text bodies -- just tried to see pictures of their favorite idols and answer those 20 questions to find out whether they were hot or not. I can't say if the teens and pre-teens in New York or Los Angeles read all the longer text bodies.

I came across "Fire!" * after * watching DDMD. That episode was my introduction to Daria, but it was the TV-movie "Is It Fall Yet?" which hooked me onto Daria -- mainly because of the humor. Although DDMD and IIFY * did * get me curious about the beginnings of the Tom/Daria romance -- which might help to explain why Tom's my second favorite character (after Daria, of course).

Of course, there is the matter of Tom's being good-looking in a definite not-brain-dead way, his nice voice (courtesy of Russell Hankin), and his attitude in IIFY, none of which hurt. :)

I like Jane, too -- in fact, she's probably my third-favorite character (after Tom and Daria). Jane complements Daria very nicely, and her attitude toward life (and dating guys) is charming at times -- and as Jane put it in "Life in the Past Lane", if she wasn't the type of guy to decide to go with guys on impulse, Daria might never have had a boyfriend. :)

Belle Book

"Belle Book" kirjoitti...

The situation of Val in "Val" may be a bit similar to the situation of Tux in "PC Plus". Even though majority of the readers use some version of Windows as their primary operating system and may never read the Linux articles :(, even they panicked when the cover typesetter once forgot to include that little Tux icon in the bottom right corner of the cover.

Even though Val may not add any value to the content relevant to the majority of the readers, she is a vital part of the "Val" brand. Without Val plastered all over "Val", it wouldn't *feel* like the same magazine.

Neither can I. But to my knowledge it is a common trend, both in North America and Europe, that the time used to read magazines is in deep dive in favor of time used to watch television in just about all age groups. And considering "Daria" quite probably isn't one of the shows causing this...

After reading the #513 transcript, I realized that this has always been the subconscious reason why I have liked the show so much:

<#513> Doctor - Don't you enjoy playing with the other children? Daria - Not really. They never understand what I'm talking about and then they make fun of me. I like to read. </#513>

Anyway, when Daria and Tom started talking about "The Prince", it came apparent to me that *this show is special* and clearly unlike anything I've ever seen before. When #413 ended, all I was able to think was praise for the show and it's creators.

I'd say Jane is my 1.15th favorite character. #413 is one of the reasons, and of course, there is the matter Jane's being good-looking in a definite not-brain-dead way, her nice voice, and her attitude in #211, #304, #308 et cetera, none of which hurt. ;)

Aapo Laitinen wrote:

Hmm. Very interesting observation there.

Which is most unfortunate. I'd rather watch "Daria" than read most magazines.

I could also identify with that feeling a bit. In public high school, I was probably like Daria in some ways -- I was a brain, ignored by quite a few people and teased by a few others, and I loved to read and study. I also didn't have a whole lot of friends. However, my personality isn't like Daria's -- it's more cheerful and optimistic. Also, I did have the opportunity to take part in something we called "Academic Challenge", where two high schools competed against each other. I had fun with that.

:) Turning my own words against me, huh? Seriously, if I was a guy, I might find Jane appealing for the same reasons you do.

Belle Book

I identify pretty strongly with Daria. That sense of connection really helps me enjoy the show even more.....like acting out what I almost wish my life could be like. (the good bits of the show, anyway...) I think, really, that is what draws a lot of fans. It's more than just a "hey, she's just like I was" reaction.....it's a "that's what could've happened" reaction, like being able to see what could have been in your own life.

jessica

Yeah. Kind of my original point. Why does everyone in the episode quickly find Val insufferable? She not only plasters herself all over her magazine, but apparently all over TV as well. If they've already heard of her, they should have a pretty good idea what she's like.

I think it would have been a better episode if everyone but Daria (and maybe Jane) had been taken in by her act, at least until the very end of the episode.

Daria herself has rarely been seen reading magazines that I recall. Almost always books.

Although she obviously was familiar with Val already. (Maybe Val's been featured on Sick Sad World? :-) )

In "This Year's Model", she had that copy of "Ruthless Mercenary" magazine, but I don't suppose that's a regular thing for her. Then again, considering her taste in video games ....

Hmmm. I *am* a guy, and I've never found Jane that appealing. Probably for a lot of the same reasons Tom eventually lost interest in her.

M Man

"Belle Book" kirjoitti...

Observation? Nah, more like an educated guess.

I agree. When I have 22 minutes spare time and I can choose between a new episode of "Daria" and a new issue of some IT magazine, "Daria" is definitely my choice.

The fact that people are watching TV instead of reading magazines isn't the sad part, the fact that they aren't watching "Daria" is. :)

<off-topic whine> But all those magazines can't be "Val"-alikes. If so many of the young can't pitch their attention to read an article written in plain words discussing *topic they are intrested in*, how are they going succeed in their studies? </off-topic whine>

Because of cultural differences my situation is a bit different. I don't have too many friends and none of them fully understands me. In the other hand, in high school, no one has actually teased me. I'm rather well respected and heavily trusted. And while Daria faces frequent pity and disgust, I mostly face quite rare envy.

I'd hardly describe myself as "cheerful" or "optimistic" at any level. Compared to Daria, I'd say I'm more practical, less prejudicing and actually rather open for something new.

<silent pause>

Okay, I admit it, dammit. More similar to Jane.

May I ask what were the final standings like? :)

Well, of course! But in no ways hostile sense.

:)

Aapo Laitinen wrote:

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I didn't think it was a hostile sense. I figured you were teasing me in a good-natured way, so I could laugh at your words.

Belle Book

In article , [email] (Belle Book) wrote:

I was somewhere in between you and Daria, Belle. Inwardly I felt like Daria, but outwardly I was more cheerful and optimistic. I coped with high school by telling myself that real life wouldn't begin for me until college.

When I first watched the series, I thought if I went to Lawndale, I'd ask Daria out. Now I'm thinking the one I'd ask out is Jane. Daria's a bit too much like me. Jane would complement me in many of the same ways she complements Jane.

Steve Cross

Hw�t! We have heard of the glory of [email] (MMan37x) that wrote news:[email], on the day of 09 Aug 2001:

[snippage]

I know that's just a typo, but that's too funny. The new snack for geeks and brains: chess puffs!

Well, you never know. He read Quinn's teen stars magazine cover to cover. Admittedly, that was under slightly different circumstances. ^_^

Mr. O'Neill evidently *is* a regular reader - how else would he have known about the contest? Maybe Val's readership consists entirely of aging schoolteachers who think they're in touch with youth culture.

Perhaps the point was that as bad as the shallow people at Lawndale High are, they're still not as bad as the shallow people in New York City or Los Angeles. None of the students has ever shown much interest in celebrity- worship, which was a major part of Val's life. (Kevin did worship Tommy Sherman, but that was an isolated case).

But he did raise his hand when she asked if anyone had a dating problem they wanted to discuss. (Now there's a nightmare scenario: Mr. O'Neill discussing Ms. Barch with Val!)

Wow, your first ep was "Speed-Trapped"? Cool! Wait a minute, though - that's one of the few episodes that shows the FC being supportive of Stacy - they all go to comfort her when she starts crying because the shoes are so beautiful. (Tiffany says "I could lend you some money..." - clueless as usual, but she really was trying to help - a rare moment for her.)

I think I suggested a while back that Tommy would have made a perfect partner for Val, but given the timeline of the show, I'm glad we *didn't* see him hitting on her. To quote Jake: Ewwwww!

Ted's not good enough for Daria! There, I said it, and I'm glad. Actually, the main thing I dislike about that ep is the way Daria is humiliated and defeated and everything else goes back to normal at the end. Some parts of it are classic, though - Daria's "date" with Robert was certainly memorable. ^_^

Mark Steese a/k/a Corvus Marinus Though in my opinion Robert later redeemed himself by pummeling Kevin.

A *truly* scary thought!

Interesting question: Would "The Lost Girls" have been a better episode if everyone (except Daria and maybe Jane) had failed to see through her act - at least until the end of the episode. For example, the FC could have copied her style of dressing, Brit and Kevvy could have started saying "wack" and "edgy", etc.

Maybe the reason the episode was such a letdown was that everyone at LHS pegged Val for a jerk so quickly.

Maybe Val would have given him some good advice.

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BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

Stacy really didn't impress me then. Not until "Of Human Bonding", when she punched out that pillow, did I think she might have a shred of, uh, feistiness :-) hidden inside her. And I just about gave up on her in IIFY - that horrible tutoring session. Butterfly clips? Pu-lease!!!

Maybe Terry Barry Barlow instead? He used the word "edgy", didn't he?

*Precisely* why I found it so sad, as I mentioned. <Sigh>

You mean Darcy, don't you? :-)

I dunno. At least Kevin can carry on a conversation with Daria without using notecards.

I wonder what Mrs Stoller thought of Robert.

M Man

In article , [email] (MMan37x) wrote:

Some excellent points about this have been made by other posters. I will add that teenagers tend to find ridiculous attempts by adults to look "hip" by imitating teenage styles.

I found Val ridiculous more than loathsome. But loathsome? Yeah, she was that too.

Steve Cross

In article , Steve Cross wrote:

Not all of them! I've seen any number of "big sister/little mama" get ups where mother and daughter wear the same stuff! Sometimes the mother looks like a nightmare, sometimes the daughter, more often they both look like freaks!!! (I gather Helen probably felt the same when she did that Mother/Daughter Fashion Cat Walk thing with Quinn...)

Boy, the Lost Girls really set people off on this ng off, didn't it?

Personally, I don't have an episode that I despised. Some were less sucessful than others, but the intentions were good. Heck, even DTAH could have worked if they'd done it as a dream sequence.

Jeff M.

You know why I think DTAH is so bloody awful:

"We're gonna make electronica history!"

That was about the only time the series ever made me cringe.

One J At a Time had a similar moment when Tom, Jamal and Jake sang "Whoop There It Is", but that episode wasn't nearly as bad.

Bernie