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            I for one loved the latest episode of Daria. �THROUGH THE
LENSE, DARKLY.�  I�ve heard some rumblings on this board alt.tv.daria
that various people hated it. I don�t know what you�all expect?  It was
a great episode.
            One of the things which always has intrigued me about Daria
is how much she suffers at the hand of her own core values. She is often
misunderstood, miserable, misconstrued and incorrectly labeled as
depressed�all because of her core ideals.   Interestingly enough, in
this episode, Daria discovers, that these core values represent an ideal
even *she* can�t (totally) uphold.
        While I enjoyed DARIA! (the musical). Wednesday�s night episode,
�THROUGH THE LENSE DARKLY�  was a solid return to the themes familiar to
all Daria fans. Once again we are introduced to the story of a (shy)
self-assured teenage girl who rejects the superficial values of our
society in favor of her own higher ideals.
             A couple of random thoughts:   It was good to see a return
of Aunt Amy and  the interesting juxtaposition of Helen�s relationship
with her sister,  and Daria�s relationship with Quinn. We learn Helen
*hates*  Aunt Amy almost as much as Daria hates Quinn . . . esp.  during
the delicious scene when Daria goes crawling to Quinn for advice and
Quinn, of course (unable to contain her glee), goes off on the deep
end.  All this only serves to further strengthening the parallels
between Helen and Quinn and Amy and Daria.
         For all you Andrea fans out there. Andrea speaks!
         It was important to hear Jane (re)affirm her friendship with
Daria.  The reprise of the talking toilet scene was hilarious!  Brittany
once again proves that there might be a synaptic nerve or two in her
little snow ball head.
        Kevin was funny.
        Mr. O�Neil with his touchy-feel good �you-ness� inside was funny
(very funny) . . .
        I have not been especially satisfied with the alter-ego
illustrations presented in the end credits with the exception of Jane as
Diana (AVENGERS) Rigg.

More later.

�S. Mc Allister

In article , Steven McAllister wrote:

I was just never understood the conflict in this episode. Aside from everything else, Daria doesn't *really* have glasses ... I mean, she wasn't *born* with them ... by wearing contacts she's just revealing her own, natural face. It all seemed very sitcom manner of approaching a problem in my eyes.

I don't see that at all. She was ranting a bit, she was clearly jealous, but I sensed more of a bantering affection than hatred.

*swoon* oh ... agreed ...

Mikel Midnight wrote >>

...

Look at the flashback scenes in "Pinch Sitter" and "Monster." Daria has lived with glasses most of her life. In a sense she WAS born with them. She's hardly known a time when she didn't wear glasses. By now she's thoroughly integrated the glasses into her persona. All her life she's felt that the glasses were a part of who she was. She even felt a little smug and superior about it. She'd always held out the argument that she wore glasses because she didn't want to be judged by her looks. Well, who does? The only people who want to be judged solely by their looks are people who have nothing to offer but looks. Now she starts wearing contacts, for reasonable, practical reasons, but she's afraid that people will not only take that as an invitation to judge her looks but will also question the integrity of her earlier protests. The only thing that worries Daria more than being judged by looks is being judged as inconsistent. In fact there's nothing wrong with inconsistency. We live in an inconsistent world, everything changing. Daria is being presented with a new fact of life, driving, and she's adapting to it. That's one sign of her being a brain, the ability to adapt. And if she were chosen homecoming queen as well what would be the harm in that?

Bob

judged as inconsistent. << R. K. Henry

Yes. Her ambition is to be true to herself.

inconsistency.<<

Sure there is. Other people may be counting on you, and if you're *too* inconsistent this is called "insanity".

True. I think that you are confusing "inconsistency" with "adaptability". Daria might do things she didn't like to achieve a goal, but she wouldn't want to compromise her core self.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

In article ,

Daria

I don't think so. They're not really that different. Adaptability is the ability to change when change is a good idea. Inconsistency is changing when change isn't a good idea. What one person judges as inconsistency can actually turn out to be another person's reasonable adaptation. Who's to decide whether change is good or bad? In this case, Daria should decide--no one else. The problem is that Daria has implicitly allowed other people to make her decisions for her. If she changes her appearance then she's afraid that people will think she's abandoned her ideals and has become shallow, if she doesn't change her appearance then people might believe she's trying make a statement by being unattractive. Daria says she doesn't want to be judged by how she looks but if she continues to maintain an unattractive appearance just because she's afraid of appearing shallow then she's allowing other people to dictate her behavior just the same as if she dressed attractively to gain the approval of others. There doesn't seem to be any way around it. Maybe that's the message of the episode: We're affected by the judgments of others no matter which outfit we wear. An inescapable fact of life.

Bob

I guess you don't wear glasses :-) I've had mine since the 5th grade, and I feel incomplete without them. If I switched to contacts now, I'd feel like a different person, probably for quite a while (maybe years even). I wouldn't try them anyhow, just because of the maintenance required.

In article , [email] (Adam) wrote:

au contraire, mon ami, I had worn glasses since I was seven years old. I got contacts when I was 17 or so. I still sometimes wear glasses to give my eyes a rest, and am wearing them now because I accidentally tore a lens and haven't had time to go to an optician for a new prescription, but typically have worn contacts in all social situations since then.

I know it's pretty strange for a 34 year old guy to be influenced by a cartoon but here it is. After seeing "through a lens darkly" I started thinking about getting contacts again. I had some about 6 years ago but never bothered replacing them. I can't deny that they improve my appearance. I have a rather strong prescription and that makes my eyes look about 1/3 their actual size. Ever heard the expression "beady little eyes"? This time around I think I'll opt for disposable contacts. If anyone here has had contacts before you might have had the same problem I do. They seem to get less and less comfortable as the months go by, until they're nearly useless. It only takes me about 5 or 6 months to wear out a pair of contacts. I do take care of them (both cleaning and using the weekly enzyme treatment) but they just don't last for me. So I guess disposable lenses are the way to go. Now I wonder why I haven't made this decision sooner. I think it has something to do with getting older. After you hit your 30's, it seems to be easier to get set in your ways. You start sticking with the things that work and you don't hunt around as much for new ways of doing things. "Hidebound" is the negative expression but you could also call it Content. If you've planned your life right, you start feeling happy and at ease around my age. So why not? It's not as if I can't afford it. I'll make the appointment on Monday.

"Warren" wrote:

I have the exact different problem. Glasses soften my natural "scowl" into something a little less off-putting. Everyone tells me I look too intense with contacts on. *Shrug*

When I made my first foray into the lens arena, I used the acuvue daily disposables (which can really go for a whole week if you clean them). They were annoying to put in, but weren't too uncomfortable to wear. (It took me 20-30 minutes to get em in, though, and that's precious sleeping time. <g>) But the really nice thing about the Acuvues is that you can just pitch em in the trash if they get torn or messy or even if they just piss you off because they won't go in! <g>

Now, my astigmatism is bad enough that I have to use toric lenses, which are a RPITA to get used to-- I never could get over the irritation that they caused, and they creepy sensation as they swirled around on my eyeball. (And, yes, my Eyeball doc warned me off of the Focus lenses, too-- in fact, she refused to prescribe Focus lenses for any of her patients-- the ones I got are 3-month lenses by Cooper.) The other problem I have is that my vision in the contacts isn't nearly as good as it is with the glasses. (And that kinda sucks, TBQH.)

Go for it. I know what you mean about getting set in your ways.... :-) I'm so used to just putting on the ol specs and not thinking about it, that for me it's mostly an issue of sheer laziness. :-) The only thing that keeps me from using contacts in my Aikido class is that with glasses on, my fellow students can't accidentally get me in the eye-- with contacts, the ol' finger in the eye thing, or sweat in the lens thing becomes a real PITA. For just about any other sport, though, contacts are okay.

Maybe I'll give my contacts another whack, if only so that I can fence Fr. Martin fair and square when I finally get to England. <g> I know they're in a drawer around here somewhere... <g>

rich

Quinn: People are so weird!

Daria: Some are weird. Some are just astonishingly self-centered and deceitful.

paperpusher wrote:

Ah yes. I developed astigmatism a few years ago. It's annoying 'cos it's at a 40 degree angle in one eye and a 70 degree angle the other way in the other eye....

I don't really have this problem, which surprised me.

Don't they just knock your glasses off instead, though? <g>

This happens about 20 times a day to one of my glasses-wearing friends. She drops her pen on the floor, bends down to pick it up, and her glasses fall off. LOL. Even when she's writing, they'll just fall off onto the table.... She's gonna have to do something about this....

"endless, nameless" wrote:

Lucky you. <g> I actually tried on my contacts again tonight, and I remember now why I'm not fond of them-- that sensation in my eyes that feels like they've just been freshly peeled after I remove them. Ick.

Nah. The only person who can consistently throw me so hard that my glasses actually *bounce* off of my head is not some great big hulking guy, but a young woman in our class who is 110 lbs soaking wet. <g> She's very good, but she always manages to slam me into the mat. The other people usually don't throw me nearly so hard. <g>

You know, they make nosepieces for glasses now that are designed not to slip off... that, or she (or a friend) could buy her one of those little things... oh, what are they called... oh, yeah, a *screwdriver.* <g> Or do you and your friends not want to cut off a source of comedic relief? <g>

rich.

Jake: The horror, the *horror* ...

paperpusher wrote:

She went back to the optician on Saturday and complained about them, got 'em fixed, so we'll have to find something else to laugh at her for. :)

paperpusher wrote in message ...

Eep!

When I started wearing glasses again (many years without, but six years' study took their toll), someone was kind enough to observe that they made me look "almost intelligent." ;:-)

Martin.

In article , [email] wrote: (whole bunch of interesting convo snipped out)

YES!!!! Someone else with astigmatism! Is yours regular or double? Because mine is double (ick). Has been since I got my first diagnosis at three years of age (but I didn't get my first pair of glasses till I went to grade school, when I was four). Oh, and I also have a lazy right eye. Suck. *g*

deena lissa (very happy glasses-wearing camper)

"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?

In article ,

What's the difference between regular and diet, er, double astigmatism?

I also, am astigmatic, and very near-sighted; my finger is only in focus if I hold it about 6 inches from the bridge of my nose. At least being astigmatic means I don't have coke-bottle lenses...

In article , [email] wrote:

LOL. Actually, isn't it that regular astigmatics only have astigmatism in one eye and double astigmatics have it in both eyes or something? I believe that's what it is, or at least what I understood it to be.

Holy cow, thank God I'm not exactly like that. I'm more like, "see far, get screwed; see near, get screwed; see at this certain range of distance, see perfectly." I don't need glasses to read, for example -- normal reading distance is the only distance I can see things like a 20/20 visioned person can. But ask me to make out a sign 500 ft away from me and I'll probably only make out the largest text. Same if you show me something really close up.

deena lissa

"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?

deena lissa wrote:

Well, I honestly don't know-- I think that it's double, but it's a mild case-- not so mild that I can avoid it lens-wise, but not so bad that I have serious problems with my vision. (If I wear glasses, that is.) <g> I always wondered if it was made worse by a bad prescription I got a few years back, and not my bad genetics. <g> (That's my crackpot theory, and I'm sticking to it.)

As for lazy eyes, well, a friend of mine has a similar problem that magically cleared up for a night when he got roaring drunk. <g> Unfortunately, as soon as he sobered up, it went back to its wicked, wicked ways, and he had a hellacious 2-day hangover to boot, so I wouldn't recommend it as a treatment. <g>

The nice thing about glasses is that your eyes never have that "freshly-peeled" feeling that only contacts will impart. Ick.

rich.

Jake: I love camping! I love it! ... Has anybody seen my pants?

deena lissa wrote in message ...

Oh, spooky. <cue Twilight Zone theme>

Me too. (I'd always wanted to say that on Usenet! <g>)

I'm now so accustomed to the prismation on my lenses (to try to get the lazy right eye image and diligent left eye image to merge) that if I take off the specs and relax, I see double.

Or more, if I've been really committed in supporting real ale. <g>

(This is not an incitement to overindulge in alcohol, etc., etc.) ;:-)

Martin.

let's see.. i had the lazy eye problem too. it was weird.. one of my eyes would cross and i couldn't uncross it.. when that happened i saw double of everything.. one view from the crossed eye, the other from the normal eye.. the weird thing was, i could actually switch off between which eye was crossed.. i could have my left eye be screwed up, then make my right eye screwed up and my left eye would be fine. either everything would be double or really blurry, and after 11 years of being like that i learned how to control it manually. i could switch off between blurry or doubled, and when it was doubled, i could switch off either eye. i can still force myself to do it today. like i said, odd. lol, i don't know WHY the hell i'm telling you all this. i first got glasses when i was two. i think that's the record here on ATD.. not that i wanna be competitive or anything.. heheheheheh... i had glasses till i was about 12, then i got contacts. eventually i had to go one day without contact or glasses and i could see fine. so i just stopped wearing them.. my vision corrected itself.

when i dug up my old pair of glasses, and i put them on, i couldn't saee a damn thing through them.

well, anyway, that's my eyesite story.

CrtoonDude wrote in message ...

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This isn't fair, I'm feeling all left out here on the ATD bizarre disorder and illness list.

I'm only "normal" short sighted, I used to use contacts until I started doing computers seriously, now I can't wear them, it justs puts too much strain on my eyes being in front of my pc all day.

And recently I've started doing the Alli style "miss meals" thing, but I'm not in any danger to my health, at least until I lose another 10 stone or so. It's still got my mum worried though, but I'm too bored to eat much.

Oh, and I haven't managed to kick my habit of scarring myself, though I've admitted to myself that it's a problem, so perhaps thats a start.

What was I saying about being normal?? :) Bettster

Bettster wrote:

Yeah, just watch that she doesn't make you go to a shrink like my mother's making me!

In article , "Bettster" wrote:

You want some? I can give you mine.

Actually, computer usage isn't really that stressful to my eyes. I guess they're already used to my not wanting to wear glasses all the time so they're kinda used to extra strain. Besides, it's normal reading length so I wouldn't have a problem with clarity.

So have I! I usually these days get up at 6 a.m. and don't eat till about 12 noon or 1 p.m. My parents have noticed I've lost weight, but I needed to anyway. It's not like I couldn't donate 40 lbs of my fat to someone on a certain "Daria" newsgroup anyhow.... ;)

Oh, and the reason I've not been eating as much is because of a medical condition I'm just now getting over (temporarily -- I'm sure it'll be back soon). It's really made me not feel well for about a month. Ick.

I know a number of people who scarred themselves. Glad to see you're finally admitting to it because it's one of the most destructive things you can do to yourself.

Maybe normal for you....

deena lissa

"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?

Sounds fantasic to me. Either that or you were not far- or near-sighted in the classical way, and perhaps the blurriness was mostly from your convergence problem. Near and far-sightedness are typically caused by the eyeballs being permanently physically mishaped in such away that the focal length of the cornea+lens combination does not correctly focus an image on the retina. I have not heard of this situation spontaneously correcting itself.

Of course if you were touched by one of those stigmatized faith healers that day, and just neglected to mention it, all bets are off.

Martin Sylvester wrote:

I've got a slightly lazy left eye, is that close enough? :)

Weird. So it's easier for you to do those horrible 3D "magic eye" pictures if you take your glasses off? :)

Tsk! :)

endless, nameless wrote in message ...

lazy

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I can't do them at all. Gave up trying. Might as well ask someone listening to "Blue Rondo a la Turk" in mono to tell you which side of the room the cymbal is. 8-(

Martin.

Martin Sylvester wrote:

I can't now, but when I was about ten I was really good at them.... I'd just look at the picture and see the image immediately. One of my friends taught me how to do it using a window and a torch, IIRC. "Look at the reflection...." LOL, we were such pathetic little kids....

Erm, OK.... <backs away slowly, reaches the door, and then turns and runs....> :)

endless, nameless wrote in message ...

No, come back, it was only an example! I wasn't going to *make you listen* to "Blue Rondo a la Turk." <g>

Though it is fun to watch people trying to tap their feet to alternating sections of 9-time and 4-time. <bg>

Martin.

Martin Sylvester wrote:

It was just an unexpected comparison - I don't normally get people saying things like that to me! :) Although my reaction to being forced to listen to Blue Rondo a la Turk would probably be quite similar to that which I gave before. <g>

I can imagine, yeah! Speaking of which, in History class the other day, some people were debating whether the Neighbours theme tune was in 9-time or not....bizzarre. I don't see why they cared myself, you get too bothered about timing and it's not so fun anymore....if the Neighbours theme tune could ever be considered "fun" anyway. I think the word's something more like "scary". :)

In article , "endless, nameless" wrote:

For the benefit of the Yanks in the audience, "torch"="flashlight"

Erg, that was *not* a nice theme song to be implanted in my head ... aargh ... thanks Alli ... 8P

In article ,

Oh I knew that..."I light my torch and wave it toward the new moon on Monday".

The newer US Duran fans online were educated about that a few weeks ago when we were trying to figure out what the song "New Moon on Monday" meant. Most came to the conclusion that Simon LeBon gave in the "Book of Words" (1983 publication that described the songs on the '83 Duran album "Seven and the Ragged Tiger", where "New Moon on Monday" comes from).

Um... (realizing she's probably lost most of a.t.d, if not all)

deena lissa

"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?

i dont get it Saerah

In article , "Martin Sylvester" wrote:

"doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo..."

Well, congratulations on finally being able to say it. You've gotten some pretty high aspirations, right? (KIDDING)

Ick. With me it feels like they sometimes suddenly develop a hazy little cloudy coat over them and I kinda have to rub it off in order for me to see unobstructed. Aren't lazy eyes fun? (note: hint of sarcasm)

Oh, don't worry. Like I said in an earlier post, the only alcoholic drink I'd ever really be interested in drinking (and only on occasion) is a margarita (beautiful stuff, tastes like a potent lemonade). Don't want to get drunk, though.

deena lissa

"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?

Warren wrote:

LOL. My eyes never looked small with glasses, they're rather large. My nastier friends like to point this out to me in the least tactful way possible... :)

Also, people who are farsighted will have convex lenses magnifying their eyes, whereas the majority of glasses are nearsighted, with the concave lenses making their eyes look smaller.

Adam wrote:

I'm near-sighted, maybe I should start wearing glasses again! :) I was far-sighted in one eye until I was about seven, and then it went too far the other way and it's near-sighted now, LOL.

Adam wrote in message ...

And if you're like me, far-sighted in one eye, and near- in the other, moving the glasses forward while keeping them lined up with the eyes make one eye appear to grow while the other appears to shrink. Makes me look like I've been raised on genetically-modified potatoes.

Martin.

Martin Sylvester wrote:

ROTFL! Oh dear!

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Not what I guessed, but not surprising either. It just shows that the glasses/contacts thing is, like most everything else, a personal issue. I think this only helps the believability of the Daria episode.

Adam wrote:

I've been wearing glasses since I was in Reception year, IIRC. I was so fucking glad to get rid of them! Btw, there isn't much maintenance involved - it takes, like, 1 minute to clean them....

suffers at the hand of her own core values. She is often misunderstood, miserable, misconstrued and incorrectly labeled as depressed all because of her core ideals. Interestingly enough, in this episode, Daria discovers, that these core values represent an ideal even *she* can�t (totally) uphold. << Steven McAllister

A self-discovery we *all* eventually make, alas. Part of growing up is learning that one can't always live up to one's ideals, and another part is to realize that it's still valuable to try.

One of the reasons we all love Daria is that she *does* try, and probably never will stop trying.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

In article , Steven McAllister wrote:

Jane in the catsuit was great.

(At least you didn't say Uma (AVENGERS) Thurman.)

But I did like the "Jakeinator" quite a bit.

Scott

                          I for one loved the latest episode of Daria.
                  "THROUGH A LENS, DARKLY." I've
                  detected some rumblings on this board
                  and on alt.tv.daria that various people
                  hated this episode. I don't know what
                  you'all expect? It was a great episode.
                  One of the things which always has
                  intrigued me about Daria is how much she
                  suffers at the hand of her own core
                  values. She is often misunderstood,
                  miserable, misconstrued and incorrectly
                  labeled as depressed-all because of her
                  core ideals. Interestingly enough, in this
                  episode, Daria discovers, that these core
                  values represent an ideal even *she* can't
                  (totally) uphold.
                          While I enjoyed DARIA! (the musical). It
                  represented an amusing and bold
                  diversion. "THROUGH A LENSE
                  DARKLY" was a solid return to the
                  themes familiar to all Daria fans. Once
                  again we are introduced to the story of a
                  (shy) self-assured teenage girl who
                  rejects the superficial values of our
                  society in favor of her own higher ideals.
                  Many people were upset at the mere
                  pretext that Daria exhibited momentary
                  flashes of vanity and may have
                  contemplated selling out to society
                  altogether. To this I say BUNK. Daria is a
                  perfectly normal person. In most ways
                  Daria is a plain girl. (Although she's a lot
                  prettier than she gives herself credit). She
                  doesn't wear make-up. She disdains
                  what's fashionable for young ladies her
                  age. Neither her wardrobe nor her
                  glasses are particularly flattering to her
                  face or figure. *We knows this* Daria
                  does have a lot going for her. She has
                  pretty auburn hair. She has a pretty face
                  (once you get past those glasses) and a
                  cute figure as displayed in "QUINN THE
                  BRAIN".
                          Would Daria be prettier without her
                  glasses? YES.
                          Would Daria be Daria without her
                  glasses? No.
                          I for one, find Daria almost disturbingly
                  good-looking with her hair slightly mussed
                  up and without her glasses. In those
                  scenes she manages to appear far more
                  worldly-wise and vulnerable. There's a
                  strong innocence factor at work. Although
                  musing about how attractive Daria is,
                  somehow misses the point of the show.
                  Daria would never want people
                  concentrating on something as superficial
                  and shallow as her looks?
                  Of course, next week, I'm lead to believe
                  that we have an episode "THE OLD AND
                  THE BEAUTIFUL" in which during
                  volunteer week, Daria manages to drive
                  old people into depression by the
                  resonance of her voice. Fist of all--(I
                  withhold all judgment on the episode until
                  I've seen it.) That having been said, I go
                  on record as a male who finds women
                  with voices in the lower register viz.
                  DARIA to be incredibly desirable and
                  attractive. I also have done charity
                  reading before (including "dog" visits), And
                  I can state unequivocally that the fact of
                  the matter is: People don't care what your
                  voice sounds like. It is the fact you're
                  reading to them at all, that matters most.

More later.

-S. Mc Allister

Hello people. I just wanted to know what "Through the Lens Darkly" was about. I totally missed it!! My vcr wouldnt record it.

-Sunday-

"I dont have low self-esteem. Its a mistake. I have low-esteem for everyone else"

• Daria

Spoiler Space

Good enough. It really lives up to the description that mtv's site gives it, that is, that Daria gets contacts. It also features a brief cameo by a previous minor character (but a cool one!). If you want more, I suggest looking up Outpost Daria, http://systech.simplenet.com/daria/ You can get both a episode summary and a transcript of the episode. It's really the best general site for episode related stuff. Some might argue, but I have yet to see a close competitor.

Wishing you the best, Rev. Paul L. Vasquez

On Thu, 01 Apr 1999 05:27:50 GMT, father_v wrote:

You're too kind, Padre. Thanks for the compliment! I'm glad that people are enjoying my modest little site.

Martin (to send E-mail, remove the "nospam" from my E-mail address) ---- Quinn: "When they got nervous, they'd drink cocoa." Helen: "Now, sweetie, there's nothing to worry about." (door slams) "Looters!" ---- Outpost Daria: Your Online Database for All Things Daria! http://systech.simplenet.com/daria/

In article , [email] (Martin J. Pollard) wrote:

Not by a long-shot! The completeness of general episode information on your site is, how did they say in geometry, Q.E.D. Not since Planet Daria have I found transcripts for all episodes in one convenient stop. Moreover the songs, the oops files, and the "for your information" (or whatever you call it) is the most complete of the stuff I've run accross.

By the by, was I the only one who noticed Goya's painting, or was there more than one?

Sincerely, Rev. Paul L. Vasquez

On Fri, 02 Apr 1999 20:19:04 GMT, father_v wrote:

Well, there's a big reason for that: The transcripts, song lists, and "oops!" lists *are* from Planet Daria (at least for seasons one and two). :-) When PD closed its doors, I got permission from Rowena Stubbs (the webmistress of PD) to use the info on my site. Of course, any additions and changes -- and all season three info, naturally -- are new, and come from both myself and Outpost Daria visitors.

The episode summaries, however, are originals, and in fact are going to be featured in the upcoming issue of TOON magazine that has the mega-size "Daria" article (my summaries comprise an episode guide for the first two seasons).

If there was more than one, I either didn't notice it or no one bothered to mention it. :-)

Martin (to send E-mail, remove the "nospam" from my E-mail address) ---- Quinn: "When they got nervous, they'd drink cocoa." Helen: "Now, sweetie, there's nothing to worry about." (door slams) "Looters!" ---- Outpost Daria: Your Online Database for All Things Daria! http://systech.simplenet.com/daria/