Daria and guns

You know it occurs to me that Daria is setting a bad example to young people by giving the impression that you can stand up for your principles by using such wimpy weapons as words or peaceful civil disobedience. That she doesn't pack a gun in her pocket to see off potential rapists suggests to me that maybe she's soft on crime. Is Daria "asking for it"? Shouldn't she give up on the sarcasm and simply blow people like Kevin away when they insult her? Surely that would be the intelligent way for her to deal with life's problems. If it came to the crunch I'm sure Helen could get her off on a plea of self-defence.

-Shez.

Idiot -- go away.

trollin', trollin', trollin..........

[email] (Mike Nassour) wrote in :

Hey Pot meet Kettle....

Phill.

On Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:04:43 -0500, Mike Nassour wrote:

On the one side we have Shez, who's been in this group for as long as I can remember and has been an outstanding poster.

On the other side we have some guy I've never heard of...

Kyle The Jeff Huson of alt.sports.baseball.chicago-cubs

On 9 Aug 2000 00:40:49 GMT, herecomethehawks@hockeymail.....com (Kyle) wrote:

Though I previously shot down the originating message, I do agree with you on this. But this is what happens when we have what ends up being essentially a flame war, even if it was a clearly spoken one.

It's funny. We managed to have civil debates on religeon, the word "Hitler" isn't a thread stopper, and we nearly come to blows over something like *gun control*?

Methinks we have finally found our weakness.

I'm starting to miss the plain vanilla flamewars we had when Q was around. <:-\

I read your post. I didn't have to. It's all in the subject line. And you know what? I feel sorry for you if it makes you feel good to purposely start arguments with the other people in this newsgroup. Before you post something, try thinking "is any good going to come of me posting this?"

[email] (kim ) wrote in :

I think that the meaning of Shez's post went straight over your head, he was not trying to start an argument, he was being *SARCASTIC*

Well AFAICT anyway.

Phill.

apparently you *didn't* read the post.

why do we have to do everything to get good to come of it? what good came of you posting what you did?

<Shouldn't she give up on the sarcasm and simply blow people like Kevin away when they insult her? Surely that would be the intelligent way for her to deal with life's problems. >

i must be a confused, but i never thought that when you're mad that you should kill people. it's people like you that have kids that go to thier schools and shoot everyone....

[email] (ronp) wrote in :

I think you probably are, Shez's post was a clear attemt at *SARCASM* which seems to have gone over most people's heads, either that or I really am being a dumbass :)

I doubt it, Shez lives in the UK, and is therefore unlikley to have easy access to a gun.

Phill.

it's people like you that sarcasm is lost on.

In that case, maybe he should 1) learn some symbols [i.e. ;-)] and 2) learn to do it right.

I dunno, I find sarcasm better when it doesn't have to have little ;-) symbols.

I certainly got what he was saying.

--J.

On Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:06:17 -0500, Mike Nassour wrote:

Whatever for? That's absolutely ridiculous. Shez doesn't have to provide a crutch for stupid people.

and 2)

If the aforementioned stupid people don't get it, he IS doing it right.

Kyle The Jeff Huson of alt.sports.baseball.chicago-cubs

[email] (Shez) wrote in :

Me thinks Shez is a little pissed off with all the "gun/anti-gun" debates going on.

But otherwise what a great piece of sarcasm :)

Phill.

Shez wrote: <snip>

Oh. That was LOW. That was butt-lice-crawling-at-the-bottom-of-a-bottom-feeding-underground-working-worm-crawling-through-the-bottom-of-a-pile-of-dirt low. (oh yeah, and I don't care of there are no such things as butt lice or worms who work underground...it was just a figure of speech) Oh yeah, and most gun owners *don't* act or think like that.

Shit, did I just defend gun owners? Did I just have a positive thought about the NRA? Oh god, all those NRA membership calls I've taken have warped me... *bangs head on wall*

LI (ouch...ouch...ouch...ouch...)

[email] (Lady Interference) wrote in :

I don't think he was sujesting that they do, the unforunate effect the way wetern society seems to work is that you only hear about the ones that *DO* act like that tho :( And then everyone goes round and tries to blame it all on Doom, whitch pisses me off as I've been playing it for years, and have never had the urge to go shoot anyone (assuming that I had easy acces to a gun in the first place).

:)

Actually I think Shez's sarcasm was just a rant in frustration at the gun/anti-gun debate on here which you have got to admit has gotten pretty silly :) we have two sides just throwing arguments at each other and not at all changing each other's views.

Phill.

Yeah there was a documentary a few months ago where some self-styled expert blamed things like Columbine on Doom, yet the notion that anyone would still be playing Doom for reasons other than nostalgia is clearly absurd. (Half Life, maybe...)

-Shez.

Yeah there was a documentary a few months ago where some self-styled expert blamed things like Columbine on Doom, yet the notion that anyone would still be playing Doom for reasons other than nostalgia is clearly absurd. (Half Life, maybe...)

-Shez.

[email] (me) wrote in :

Err actually I didn't say that, it was Shez :) you may need to check your newsreadr, it may not be configed correctly :)

No me neither, and I've been playing this sorta game since Wolfenstein, so lets see about 7 years now :)

Yeah indeed, and besides blood stains would definatly not suit me <Quinn>Ewww</Quinn>

Phill.

On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 19:09:33 +0100, Shez wrote:

Can the call to ban crowbars be far off?

I have a friend, who for a while, whenever you called him, you could hear him killing head crabs (and later Marines) with a crowbar. He can't shoot for crap, but he's the Conan of the crowbar! : )

--- Gun control, the theory that Black people will be better off when only Mark Fuhrman has a gun.

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[email] (Shez) wrote in :

Hell I still fire up Wolfenstein now and again :) I guess the reason I do still play games like this is I liked em when they first came out and unlike a lot of people, I don't subscribe to "it was great when it came out but it's crap now" (I'm not sugesting you do either :) ), just because more modern games have better eye candy, mind you I am partial to Unreal, but it has a decent story as well. Then again rember Doom/Doom II in it's original form can be played on older clunkier hardware that perhaps won't support the more modern games. Also not to say that the modern games like Half Life which also has a great story, are not just as good either.

If anyone wants to see just how much is going on in the Doom world check out : http:///www.doomworld.com Ah and you do all know what iD's next game is don't you ?

Phill.

On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:03:30 +0100, [email] (Phill Harvey-Smith) wrote:

Wolfenstein makes me nauseous, literally. Apparently some people are adversely affected by the refresh rate. The former editor of _Boardwatch_ magazine had the same symptoms.

--- Gun control, the theory that Black people will be better off when only Mark Fuhrman has a gun.

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[email] (Alex Case) wrote in :

Wolfenstein :)

Bong ! nope :) (Though it is being done under ID's supervision).

Try again.

Phill.

On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:34:03 -0700, "Alex Case" wrote:

Try DOOM III.

Martin
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[email] (Martin J. Pollard) wrote in :

Woohoo well done Martin :)

Phill.

On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:32:09 +0100, [email] (Phill Harvey-Smith) wrote:

Oh I don't know. Don't you find yourself lingering EVER so slightly longer over that issue of "Target Gun" when you're at the newstand these days?

Take a nap; it'll all be so much clearer to you when you wake up.... : )

--- Gun control, the theory that Black people will be better off when only Mark Fuhrman has a gun.

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Lady Interference of Nick Rhodes

I was merely drawing attention to the irony of people suggesting in a Daria newsgroup of all places that to stand up for your rights you need a gun.

-Shez.

Shez said:

Depends on the nature of the threat to your rights. If the threat consists of an armed man breaking into your home, you most certainly do. If it consists of someone using harsh words to denigrate you, you most certainly don't.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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I like this. The show could turn into a cartoon version of "the Survivors." Every week, we guess which person Daria will blow away. It works for CBS.

Problem is, this kind of deux-ex-machina would blow away the plot, too. We'd be left with Daria and Jane doing jumping jacks for the remaining 25 minutes or so.

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She used to be sarcastic; now she's gone ballistic! Deadeye Daria, tonight on Sick Sad World!

M Man wrote:

ROTFLMAO. And whoops, there goes another mouthful of clean H20. (looks down on keyboard) I'm charging you for replacing this baby, 'kay?

*snicker*,

LI (who has a Duran-related "SSW" promo...ah hell, why not share?

They drive you around...and then they dance for you! Dancing chauffeurs, NEXT, on "Sick Sad World"! *)

(*: The Duran Duran video "The Chauffeur" featured a dancing female chauffeur...)

[email] (Lady Interference) wrote in :

Well they're normally ok if you let em dry out *THOUROURLY* before switching them on.

Yeah and IIRC that video was weird, do you know what it is actually about ?

Phill.

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Glad you liked it!

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Farley Spratts said:

I actually read a fanfic based on a similar premise, once.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

Just wanted to say i found your 'Daria and guns' post very astute (and the word i was looking for is...?). Gun people are annoying - in fact i find it mildly intimidating when they go on about how they need their guns and get angry that i'm "trying to take [their] rights away"... Perhaps my subconcious (why can i never spell that word?) interprets this as "I am going to shoot you". :)

On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 02:44:16 +0100, missy aggravation wrote:

I'm sure that anti-gay people find Operation Rescue annoying too.

Life's hard that way! : )

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On Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:30:34 -0400, Christopher Morton wrote:

Sorry, brain fart.

I meant Act-Up.

--- Gun control, the theory that Black people will be better off when only Mark Fuhrman has a gun.

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What does that have to do with absoultely ANYTHING? I mean, how does homosexuality and abortion find their way into this discussion

On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 04:08:59 GMT, "The Contentious Objector" wrote:

A comment was made regarding what someone found annoying. I made the above statement, which was in fact a miss-statement, since I meant to say Act-Up instead of Operation Rescue, the latter annoying the hell out of me, since they constantly picket a local office building which has a Planned Parenthood Office. They've almost caused me to be hit in a traffic accident at least once.

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In article , [email] says...

So Christopher, tell me:

have you got anything-- absolutely anything-- to say about the Cartoon TV Character 'Daria,' the supporting cast, the writers, the animators, the producers, any particular episodes, or the artistic quality and relevance of the creation itself?

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On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:47:47 -0700, Leggs MaGee wrote:

Yes.

I find the characterizations very compelling, Daria in particular. A character who doesn't doesn't prostitute her values for mere popularity is unusual and entertaining.

The quality of the writing is consistently better than most live-action series. It deals with issues without becoming overly preachy or falling into self-parody.

The humor is deliciously subtle, to the point that I wouldn't be surprised if Dennis Miller was one of the writers. The satire is biting without being cruel.

The visual style is arresting without being distracting.

Unexpectedly, I found the last two episodes my favorites, although I have enjoyed many others, including the first ("Esteemsters"?) and "Misery Chick"(?).

Now, if I said that I wanted to ban handguns, would you have asked me?

--- Gun control, the theory that Black people will be better off when only Mark Fuhrman has a gun.

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Christopher Morton said:

I agree. Such characters aren't all that common in fiction in general: on television, she's in a class by herself.

Avoiding the "moral minute" trap. (Reference to cartoons in the 80's and early 90's, when threats of governmental interference led to the imposition of a "lesson" upon each episode, often one only tangentially related to the plot. Some old _G. I. Joes_ are hilarious in this respect ... elite commandoes wandering the streets, _in full battle dress_, randomly proffering moral advice is kind of ... weird. _Sailor Moon_ was also, in its first American showings, mutilated in this fashion. (*))

(*) Which was strange, given that _Sailor Moon_ taken STRAIGHT is one of the most moralistic animes ever made.

Yes. Some of the humor takes definite thought to understand.

Same here on the last two episodes; my other two favorites are probably "Road Worriers" and "Pierce Me".

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

[email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote in :

Indeed.

Yeah and IIRC it wasn't just cartoons. This sorta thing uest to piss me off, I personally found it patronising in the extream. Then again I'm one of those who believes that "Tom and Jerry" is in some ways more dangerous than "Beavis & Butthead", at least when B&B did stupid things they got hurt etc, what does T&J teach kids, that you can drop an anvil on people and they'll get up and walk away as if nothing happened....The A Team, I seem to rember also caught some flack for it in this country because no matter what happend how much explosives/weapons fire etc was thrown around nobody *EVER* (that I rember anyways) got killed, the worst I rember was someone ending up with a broken arm.

Indeed.

The Daria & Jane tension episodes are mostly my favorates so "Mysery Chick", though I love Daria's rant to Tommy Sherman :), "See Jane Run", "Jane's Addition", something gives me the feeling I'm gonna like 408-413 when I get to see them :) "Pearce Me" was probably my least favorate ep for ages, I have warmed to it a little now, guess that's the anti-shipper in me.

Phill.

On 08 Aug 2000 10:49:55 GMT, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:

"Pierce Me" was especially good because it was the first real hint of vulnerability on Daria's part.

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Christopher Morton said:

Yes. It showed that Daria was more than just a smart, sarcastic walking viewpoint.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 04:08:59 GMT, "The Contentious Objector" wrote:

They are other controversial issues in which many of the people arguing for a ban in the case of guns argue against a ban in these issues. And all three issues are about as clear, and divide the people along as tight lines. He simply attempts to demonstrate that your effort to ban guns, because they are a danger to society, in your opinion, is comparable to fundamentalists attempting to ban homosexuality, various forms of communication, etc. because they are dangerous to society, in their opinion.

i'm sure they find lots of things annoying. but i would win in any "who is annoyed by the most things" contest. :)

missy aggravation of M.U.F.F.I.N.S. writes:

Your cheque is in the post...

Astringent?

I just discovered that asterisk is Greek for "small star".

-Shez.

"Aster" is star... Not sure about the "isk" at the end.. Common endings denoting "small" are "ouli" and "aki"... eg: alexandra - me alexandrouli - little me paith� - child paithaki - little child so i guess "small star" would be "asteraki".

Or "asteri", even.

Alli said:

Why shouldn't they be upset if someone is attempting to make it illegal for them to use guns to defend themselves? Or simply to own guns which they collect for hunting, target shooting, or as objets d'art?

How would you feel if something that _you_ considered important to your life was made illegal?

Why would you think that?

Sincerely Yours, Jordan