Daria Warehouse, Replacement?

What is the deal with Daria Warehouse?

Is the guy who created it dead?

Abducted by aliens?

Joined a Cult?

It hasnt been updated in 6 months.

Having Said that would there be any intrest in a Daria site with all the Episodes in Apple Quicktime

A 23 Minute episode in a 512x384 Window is 41mb and Reqires a 56K connection to watch real time or alot of patience to download.

I have a webserver sitting collecting dust with nothing on it with the exception of some worthless websites mostly related to Pokemon ran by kids whos hygine is only surpassed by their grammer.

However, I only have season 1 & 2 on video as YTV only bought season one and two (MTV was kicked out of Canada in 1986) So I need the assistance of people who are willing to digitize the videos and FTP them to my server.

If there is adaquate intrest I will go ahead with this.

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Trevor Morris

"Trent is a Bum, That is my story and I am sticking to it"

Trevor Morris wrote

The girl who created it out for the summer I'm guessing.

Not for a few years at least.

Her brain wasn't washable.

Well its only been 2 months but still. I guess you dont realize she has a life. If you read the more recent version of the site you would see that she has no mpeg encoder so she doesn't have the space to store the episodes on her computer.

Not even myself with my cable modem would be willing to wait that long for Quicktime episodes. By the time someone has finished downloading one all the episodes will have been released on video anyways.

Maybe you could offer free hosting to Daria sites who hate having to host their sites on places like Geocities or Tripod.

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I am hosting season 3 episodes in Real Video on my site until the Daria Warehouse updates. Check them out.

Ben Guevara The Depths of Shallowness http://members.xoom.com/QuinnM17/Quinn.html

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Trevor Morris

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Er I did. You've got something a bit wrong in your coding, the real player complains it can't find the file on the c: drive, and if I guess what the url of the .rm file is I get a 20 second audio clip instead. Or maybe I'm just no good at guessing.

Bettster

On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:57:59 GMT, "Trevor Morris" wrote:

Isn't MPEG 2 the more advanced format?

41mb is much too much. Buying a video would be cheaper than my phone connection costs. 20mb is the absolute max. MSB

[email] (Matthias Benkmann) wrote:

Yes, but it's even bigger than Quicktime. MPEG 2 is what is used on DVDs and DSS. The theoretical maximum resolution is actually higher than what analog TVs will support.

Doesn't the new Quicktime do streaming video?

rich.

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A 23 Minute episode in a 512x384 Window is 41mb and Reqires a 56K connection to watch real time or alot of patience to download.

Doesn't the new Quicktime do streaming video?

rich.

Yes it does streaming, But you need a 56K Modem to watch the stream. As for MPEG-2, If someone wants to give me a 200GB UltraSCSI RAID, Sure I will do them in MPEG-2. a half hour of MPEG-2 is 6.3 Gigabytes (Brodcast Quality)

-Trevor Morris

On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:16:52 GMT, "Trevor Morris" wrote:

How does that work. 56K means 56000 bits per second (we're talking modems here). 1 start 8 data 1 stop bit=10 bits/byte That's 5600bytes per second*60 seconds*23=7728000bytes How can you watch a 41mb file in real time in 23 minutes? MSB

STREAMING YOU IDIOT!

Trevor Morris wrote in message ...

yes, if your watching it as it downloads the most your 56 K modem can do is 5.6 K/sec and to download 42 meg in 23 mins you would need to download at 30K/sec so how is this possible in real time?

Or to put it another way, can you tell me where to buy a 56K modem like yours cos I'd love to shift 30K/sec.

Bettster

Also I believe (I may be wrong here), that the 56K is what the modem can pump down the line in raw uncompressed format, and since I havn't seen a modem in the last 5 years that didn't support compression, the real figure for what you can pump down the line may be much higher (this depends on what data you are sending as some compresses *MUCH* better than others).

Phill.

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On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:38:10 GMT, [email] (Phill Harvey-Smith) wrote:

56kbps including compression (on average - my 33.6 has gotten as high as 8-10k/sec for a solid minute! on an mp3 before though...both of us thought our modems were gonna start burning... :). Or 7kbytes/sec max - current phone line restrictions in the US limit this to a theoreticaly max of 53kbs - 6.625k/sec. Upload is still limited to 33.6kbs. And if you think you'll actually achieve consistant 53k downloads with a modem...well...um...don't hold your breath :) Which is usually why a "56k optomized" stream will usually utilize around 40kbs of bandwidth. Similarly 28.8k streams usually use 20-24k.

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Actually 56K usually means more like 42000 bits per second in my experience. I find I have to tell realvideo I have a 33.6K modem for it to work successfully in realtime.

Download it to view later, or in the case of realvideo it's usually available in multiple speed versions, of which one will hopefully be small enough for streaming. My experience with the Daria Warehouse is that the 56K version is too big to view in realtime, yet the quality too poor (especially the sound, which is very muffled), so I download the individual 112K/sec rm files (which takes about an hour for one episode) and then view them offline. The whole idea of streaming video over the net is crazy if you ask me, certainly if you use a dial-up connection anyhow. Once we get ASDL it may be viable I suppose, but in the meantime it's better if videos are available as ftp or something for saving to disk. As it is, the C5 Daria repeats mean I'm gradually superseding my realvideo collection with genuine videos, and I have to say that watching Daria in Realvideo is no replacement for the real thing, it doesn't even come close. Genuine video on demand over the Net is still some years off if you ask me, you would need a couple of megabits per second absolute minimum for tv picture quality. (I think digital tv is currently about 4-5 megabits per second using MPEG2.)

-Shez.

On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 01:19:43 +0100, Shez wrote:

Using cable rated at up to 350k/sec over the internet, I still save it to disk locally and buffer the maximum RealPlayer permits (300 seconds) for the following simple reasons: server load, external router problems (internet), and internal router problems (intranet). I've had many streams die because somewhere congestion picked up and ping times suddenly went through the roof, bandwidth dropped through the floor, and packets started being lost like socks in a dryer...

As it is, the C5 Daria repeats mean I'm gradually

Ditto. RealVideo G2 in a small screen at 112k can work. But for a larger screen you really need at least a 200k stream with one 32k (or 64k preferably) mono stream for audio alone for ideal results.

Genuine video on demand over the Net is

And fahgetaboutit if you aren't. MPEG 1 results in gigabytes per 10 minutes...

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Let me explain how QuickTime Streaming Works,

The Client connects to the .streammov file on the server the server negotiates with the client and determins the connections speed, computer speed and available memory.

Based upon that it will elect one of 3 stream rates 16fps, 8fps or 5fps or slideshow

Whereas if you are a quality freak it is even more simple, you just download the enitire 41mb movie.

And I don't use a 56K modem, I have a T1 connection.

Before you elect to attack my knowledge of a technology you have demonstrated you complete ignorance of consiter how foolish it makes you looks Matthias Benkmann

Trevor Morris

On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:10:49 GMT, "Trevor Morris" wrote:

Attack you? You seem to have taken my post very personal. I have reread it and I don't see why. It was not intended to be an insult of any sort. I was just pointing out that your message confused me. And I _do_ know what streaming is but your message didn't say anything about streaming. You just mentioned Quicktime which I didn't know to be a streaming format (If _that_ makes me a fool, so be it, greetings from Fooltown). Instead of screaming flames like "IDIOT" at me, spoiling the atmosphere of this group (next time, try _sarcasm_, in case you feel you have to insult someone), you should have answered with a polite "Quicktime supports streaming." and everyone would have been happy.

But let's just forget all of this, okay. Let's shake hands and start another day. I don't like holding grudges against someone and I hope you don't either. Let's just return to being one happy family again. MSB (who values harmony above everything else)

On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:35:39 GMT, [email] (Matthias Benkmann) wrote:

Oops, I just looked through the old messages again and indeed you did mention quicktime to do streaming in the message I was replying to. Maybe I'm just getting old or I was watching TV again while reading messages. MSB

[email] (Damon Domjan) wrote:

I know you meant MPEG 2... MPEG 1 is a pretty decent compromise in MB/sec and picture quality for today's systems. It's a little over 10MB/minute-- you can fit a little over 60 minutes of MPEG 1 on a CDR, which is not quite enough to fit 3 Daria eps on a CDR. Theoretically, of course-- you know, like if you wanted to watch Daria eps on your laptop while you're travelling, or something like that. Not that I've ever done it, but it does have a similar quality to, say, VHS EP in the full-screen version.

rich.

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On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:29:26 GMT, [email] (paperpusher) wrote:

Whoops. Yeah. Also MPEG raw results in similarly massive bandwidth...which is actually what I was thinking of when I wrote that :)

Not that I've

I've had decent results with 220kbytes/sec RealVideo G2 running at 15FPS at 320x200 switched to fullscreen (I was experimenting and eventually decided against putting up another Daria Warehouse - I figured one was enough). (shrugs) I'll have to try ASF again sometime, but my results were less than stellar on basic Pentium class machines. Oh well...

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In article , [email] (Damon Domjan) wrote: [Snip!]

Humm the most I can seem to get Real Producer to encode at is 150k/s though I am using the "free" version, and I am capturing straight from the video input rather than capturing as AVI first...I alas don't have the hard disk space to do this....any idea how I can get RealProducer to enocode at more than 150k/s ?

Phill.

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On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:46:48 GMT, [email] (Phill Harvey-Smith) wrote:

<self snippage>

Hm....IIRC RProducer 5.0 had a 300k/sec broadband video/voice option - RealProducer G2 on the other hand appears to default to 150k for LAN and 220k for cable/xdsl (huh? I still don't get why LAN gets a slower stream than xdsl). Anyway, if you go to advanced options you can usually tweak the settings any way you want.

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Humm yeah that's most odd, I had assumed that the setting for T1/LAN would be the fastest, I had been encoding stuff and putting it on a CDR for archival purposes....guess that means I'm gonna have to re-do tose ten B&B tapes now..... DAMN !

Phill.

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Microsoft has a format called ASF that has excellent quality for size. I beleive that it streams as well. Just a though. However I suspect to be fair to everyone RealVideo is probably the best format as the sizes tend to be reasonable at the expense of quality (ASF scales *really* well). Just my two cents based on experience :-)

David

[email] (David) wrote:

Much as I don't like Micro$oft, I have to admit that ASF plays well with others on my system, which I most definitelty canNOT say about RealPlayer G2. Yuk. I'm sorry, but I'd be embarassed to have my name put on that piece of SW. Just about every other time I use it to view video, the damn thing crashes. And when it isn't crashing, it's injecting these awful purple screens in the video, causing a horrible flicker. Blecch. And don't get me started about the channel clutter all over it, or the harassing "upgrade me" things it randomly throws at you. (And none of the upgrades seem to fix anything.) Naturally, the RealPlayer site has no info on this, but they do have an upgrade offer. :P

Maybe Quicktime 4 will be better... rich.

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On Sat, 21 Aug 1999 07:19:21 GMT, [email] (paperpusher) wrote:

Not to mention it takes forever to load... :P

You know you *can* disable most of that crap and you just need to select in the options the "Don't bug me for 30 days" button and then deselect it and reselect it every 29 days :)

Heh, Quicktime 4's performance is worse than lackluster on my Celeron 300...

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Is it perhaps unneccesary to mention the perpetual problems we've been having recently with the "Ask Daria" feature, and RealPlayer products?

Or is this rubbing salt into fresh wounds? ;-)

Cordially, Rev. Paul L. Vasquez

On Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:46:38 GMT, father_v wrote:

More like putting the blame in the wrong place. The screw-ups on MTV's web site are the fault of the webmasters, not RealPlayer. RealPlayer can't exactly play videos if the links aren't set up correctly. :-)

Martin
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[email] (Martin J. Pollard) wrote:

Consider this, though-- not 24 hours after I blasted RealPlayer, the little RealPlayer taskbar lint thingy starts blinking on my desktop. Mysteriously, an update has been posted. Oh, my God! It's them! They've found me! I ---

<transmission cut off in midsentence> rich.

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On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 07:26:41 GMT, [email] (paperpusher) wrote:

Sorry, I can't laugh about that. I read an article just recently that Microsoft (and other US companies) plans to have temporary licenses for future products. That means the product will stop working after a few months and force you to get (and PAY) the update via the Internet. MSB

Of course this is tough luck if you don't have (or want) an internet connection....

Phill.

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In article , [email] (David) wrote:

Trouble is that Windows Media Technologies is exactly that: a technology for WINDOWS. There apparently is a Mac version of WMT4 out now, but unfortunately it's kinda crippled. And there is *no* Linux counterpart.

RealMedia, for better or worse, is a CROSS PLATFORM technology.

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On Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:50:46 -0700, [email] (Michelle Klein-Hass) wrote:

Plus (in my experience at any rate) Real Video scales better on crappier machines than ASF does.

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