Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas, Daria fans! And have a Happy New Year!

Happy Winter Solstice guys. And a final new year.

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A happy Brianmas to all!

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A merry christmass to all the readers of this group!!!

I`m far to drunk to say any thing meaningfull

I love you all

cheerz

At least you're honest. Happy Generic Winter Holiday everyone!

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Paul gate wrote:

Yeah, happy Christmas.

Umm...OK....we love you too. I'm sober, but very, very tired.... it's 11.30am and I got up at 9am and that was a big mistake.....

So....what did everyone get for Christmas?

Alli

endless, nameless wrote in message ...

I suspected as much, isn't it wonderfull ? ;-)

I'm sober now as well I'm getting that disconcerting hollow feeling, as the events of last night are refocusing into a horror story..

Paul gate wrote:

Sure.... :)

.....I'm still sober....still tired.....I need a drink.....ugh....

Alli

endless, nameless wrote in message ...

Fatigue is the price you pay for being awake

I`m off the booze

I,m switching to something less embarasing, like Butane ;-)

Damn! you beat me to it! : ) well, i got several CDs (including Apociliptica, which is Metallica being played on four chellos, pretty cool stuff), i got lots of underwear. It's a funny thing, if i had gotten that much underwear 5 years ago, i would've broken down crying. Let's see, i got lots of candy from my girlfriend, some boxers, and domething else that i won't be mentioning here. : ) i got lots of videos.. a new inscence burner, some inscence, and clothes, clothes, clothes. oh, i almost forgot, a i got a new scanner for the computer. flatbed, it's very nice.. and it has this little chip that comes with it that you actually have to install in the motherboard, so it's a lot faster than normal flatbeds. i'm sure most of you are bored reading this, so i'll end this post here.

oh, i just remembered, i got a little telletubbies doll. guess which one.

CrtoonDude wrote:

I didn't get all that much 'cos I got a guitar for my birthday and that was only last week.... If I'd been born in February my parents would have forgotten about it by Christmas! Hmm.... let's see.... I got some paints of various kinds, �60, and some CDs, all ones I wanted several months ago but hadn't enough money for them or ones that I couldn't find anywhere. I haven't got all my presents yet, I'll get the rest at that annual family thing that I have to go to..... great, I needed another pair of socks....

Alli

Got more money than I did. I got $50. And I checked the conversion rate, as that's all going straight to the UK. Spike Milligan books. Which no one in America sells. And lots of books. And one CD. And clothes. And way too much candy, like my relatives want me to gain weight to fit in with them or something. :) ... and I spent too much money on Betsey and got my mom pissed at me, but who cares? My family managed to avoid the topic of Ken Starr, I'm happy

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Eccles9697 wrote:

I know what you mean there. My relatives always get me chocolate, they have learned better than to get me clothes as it is completely impossible to find anything that fits me, so they're trying to make me fat so it's easy to find clothes for me.

Alli

Don't kid yourself. They're fattening you up for their millennium party dinner. Jeez, doesn't anyone read Hansel and Gretel anymore?

-Shez.

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"endless, nameless" wrote:

A Compact OED (with magnifying glass, of course), Fowler's Modern English Usage, The New Oxford Guide to Writing, 2 more books about writing, a couple of South Park DVDs, a plush Mr. Hankey (thanks, sis!), and a flashlight that sticks to your fridge. (Don't ask me why-- I have *no* idea. And, yes, I was a Lit. Major in college-- these are all books that I *wanted*.)

"How geeky is *that*?"

rich.

Oh, yeah, and best Holiday Wishes to all, and a Happy 11 to those who still keep the tradition. (Grins as he knows that *no one* will get that reference.)

Jane: Usually when I have this dream I'm wearing pink taffeta.

[email] wrote in message ...

Sounds good! Have you seen the _New Oxford Dictionary of English_? Similar to the COD, but bigger, with more examples, and with usage notes: 3 columns per page (slightly smaller than A4), 2152pp. I like it. Have you got Sir Ernest Gowers' _Plain Words_? Another great, IMHO.

You're counting backwards for Christmas? Happy St Stephen's Day, and happy other ten, too.

<g>

Martin.

On 1998-12-26 [email] said:

Isn't "Fowler's Modern" a bit of an oxymoron? He was writing in the 1940's IIRC.

Yes, what you need is "South Park's Modern English Usage.

I got a copy of "plain words" that someone was throwing away once. It's good for teaching you to be economical with superfluous adjectives. People say "quite" and "very" etc too much, and even worse say "literally such-and-such" as if such-and-such wouldn't be enough in itself, and worse, they often say it when they *don't* mean literally at all. There's some good advice in there but some of it is also dated, at least in my copy, despite a lot of Folwer's stuff having been revised.

Yeah, happy solstice, Xmas, and new year to all Daria fans, and (as I'm feeling generous) to those who would be Daria fans if they could get Channel 5 or MTV. As for everyone else....,

-Shez.

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[email] wrote in message <914713292.4927.0.nnrp-

1926. My copy is the 1996 edition (ed. RW Burchfield).

I like his attacks on jargon-filled prose and carelessly drafted sentences; some of his examples made me LOL. "Statistics have been issued of the population of the United States, broken down by age and sex." Of course that was in 1948; they've recovered now.

I'd call it very good advice; I agree that parts are dated. My edition of _Plain Words_ is the 1977 revision, but IIRC there's been another revision since. In the '77 edition there are sections from the 1948 edition which are of more historical than practical interest, but many of these amused me all the same.

His rewriting of example sentences would be called makeovers now.

Martin.

Martin Sylvester wrote:

Oh no. Look at the state of this newsgroup! You're talking about dictionaries! I don't even own one, and you're discussing them! :)

Huh???

Alli

endless, nameless wrote in message ...

We'd guessed. <g> (I know, uncalled for, unjust; irresistable, though.)

Gosh, yes, we even read books, and we've been in the library when it wasn't raining. Daria attracts the *weirdest* fans. ;:-)

happy

Tee hee.

Martin.

Martin Sylvester wrote:

Oh, and I'm sure my owning of a dictionary would greatly improve my vocabulary, I'll just go buy one and read it all, shall I? :)

I *can't* read books. It takes too long! I go in the library quite often, but that's only to look for art books.

Very funny, I'm sure. Explain, please!

Alli

endless, nameless wrote in message ...

Ah, then you won't actually need a dictionary, I suppose!

The twelve days of Christmas. The day we call "Christmas Day" is the first day of Christmas. 26th December, the second day of Christmas, is St Stephen's day. If you're counting backwards (that's a reference to the Goon Show song, "I'm walking backwards for Christmas"), then it's day 11. Of course, this had nothing to do with rich's reference to "Quark" (which reference I didn't get), but fitted perfectly since rich said "Happy 11" on the second day of Christmas.

I hope that is now perfectly clear. <deadpan expression>

Happy 3 (or 10).

Martin.

That's a Grateful Dead Song isn't it? St. Stephen... yeah...

All rather confusing really.

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st. stephen with a rose, in and out of the garden he goes. country garden with the wind and the rain, wherever he goes, the peopl eall complain. ]saerah

On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:57:49 -0000, "Martin Sylvester" wrote:

ROTFLMAO!

"Martin Sylvester" wrote:

Well, the one I have is 2386pp., including bibliography. (It's the one where they took all 20 volumes and turned it all into microtype.) I haven't seen the _New Oxford Dictionary of English_ yet, however.

I don't have _Plain Words_, but I still have my dog-eared paperback copy of Strunk & White, _The Elements of Style_ from High School.

Well, actually, no, it's just a lame reference to a very lame 1970's American sitcom that got cancelled in its first season. It was called "Quark," and it was about garbagemen in space. "11" was their generic standardized holiday-- apparently all of the holidays had been compressed into just the one, by bureacrats, I guess. Actually, I don't remember the show that well, as I was only 6 at the time. I just remember a lot of people smiling and saying "Happy 11!" to each other in a room filled with decorated "11s" all over the place. It was really very silly. (Which is why I figured it'd be perfect for this NG.)

rich.

Helen: Bureaucracy is the price we pay for impartiality.

Jake: Jefferson!

Helen: Stalin.

[email] wrote in message ...

NODE lacks OED's examples of first printed use, which also appear in _The Shorter Oxford_, and isn't as good on archaic words; but is, of course, much more helpful for new words and new uses.

Silly? Here? <feigns puzzled expression>

Happy 3 (or 10)

Martin.

"Martin Sylvester" wrote:

New words and uses? What would I use that for? I have the 1996 ed. of Fowler's. <g> Seriously, though, as a Junior in college, one of the required classes for my major was "the English Language" -- we studied Indo-European roots, Old/Middle English, etc.... history of the language and such. For one assignment, we had to research various words in the OED and our dictionary of indo-european root words and give the professor a brief synopsis of the origins of various words. He wanted us to become familiar with the OED, as he believed it was one of the most useful reference books anyone could have. When I first started using it, and saw all of the first printed use information, as well as all of the words included, I was hooked, and I've wanted one ever since. Naturally, the 20 volume set is a bit pricey, but the price on the Compact OED has finally come down some in the US. (Probably coming out with a new edition, knowing my luck.)

It all sounds weirder than it is. <g>

Silly. Here.

rich.

Daria: He said master *painters.*

"[email]" wrote:

Dictionaries. How much weirder could it get? I am not used to people talking about dictionaries, and I'm completely confused by all this! :)

Alli

Yeah, gee, you never know what you can find in dictionaries... and besides everyone knows dictionaries invariably lead to stronger stuff...

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Eccles9697 wrote in message ...

Ah, yes, The Joy of Lex---------icons.

Alli, if you're tempted to experiment, stick to the _Concise Oxford Dictionary_ until you're in your twenties, then, if you think you can handle it, try the _New Oxford Dictionary of English_ -- but make sure you have with you a friend you can trust, in case things go wrong. Beware, though, you may end up with cravings that only the complete OED will satisfy.

I'm now about to take the shrinkwrap off _The New Oxford Book of English Prose_, so don't be surprised if I'm not my self for a few days.

I could stop reading if I wanted to, anytime. Oh, yes. Of course. No problem. I only take a book to the dentist and to the barber because I don't like the feel of magazines. No, don't go away! I'm not planning to use these Loeb classics, they were secondhand anyway, I just bought them to look at. Come back!

<g>

Martin.

[email] (Eccles9697) wrote:

Oh yeah, definitely. It all starts innocently enuogh with a dictionary. Then, before you know it, you're into stronger stuff, a Thesaurus, a copy of Fowler's, a copy of Strunk and White, maybe some others. But it's not enough. So, you think maybe you'll try a style manual-- say, the MLA. Before you know it, you're craving to try the Bluebook, because the MLA style manual is too wimpy. You're willing to take chances with the stronger stuff. So you try the Bluebook (the style manual American lawyers must follow-- it's evil, pure evil), and you've also managed to acquire a Dictionary of Indo-European Roots along the way to satisfy a jones you had one afternoon, and you don't even *speak* Indo-European, or know of anyone who does! Some of your fellow junkies will try to satisfy their cravings by experimenting with some of the exotic foreign languages. Russian. French. German. Some will be masochistic enough to try Latin. But try as you might, you can't help them.

Then one day, you look around your house and realize that just about every room has at least one bookcase in it, and they're all full. And you have no idea where to put your other stuff.

At this point, you finally come to the realization that, alas, you always were and always will be a lit geek. A brain. Different.

tongue firmly planted in cheek, rich.

Quinn: "I can't be a brain! My friends will hate me!"

paperpusher wrote in message ...

<Mutters> Some of us had no choice about Latin. Or about Greek and Hebrew. </mutters> At least, with the passage of time and a firm commitment to regular real ale therapy, I've made satisfactory progress: I remember little of it now.

Other stuff? You have other stuff?

Just chuck it in an empty room (I was lucky enough to find one I could empty when I moved in), and when it fills up, shove it in the airing cupboard (that's where my tent and bivi bag live). Hanging stuff on the wall helps, too (ice axe, rucsac, foil, fencing mask...).

And then you end up reading newsgroups populated by people (nearly?) as weird as you are yourself. Oh, very well then, reading the one newsgroup populated by....

But less of the "alas." Anyone would think you have low self esteem. ;:-)

Martin.

"Martin Sylvester" wrote:

Well, remember, "Time wounds all heals." <g>

Yeah, you know, like dinner plates, clothing, food, etc.

I wouldn't hang my foil or my mask on the wall, because then they might fall and get all denty-- besides, it's easier to keep em in my fencing bag, and I don't have to remove wall decorations every time I want to go practice.

I could just make a trite Daria quote here, but then I could be accused of being on-topic. <g> But she's got the right idea about self-esteem. And, to be honest, I never caught any grief in HS for being a brain-- in fact, all of the "in crowd" were in the AP classes. No, what might've made me different from the others was my participation in just about every music group (yep, everything from choir to jazz band to marching band and ever orchestra (*shudder*)), but, still, I wasn't singled out for ridicule. I guess I was just lucky, or oblivious, or something. <g> (Funny, though, our football players got no respect, mainly because the team was terrible.)

rich

Quinn: People are so weird!

Daria: Some people are weird. Some are just astonishingly self-centered and deceitful.

On Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:59:48 GMT, [email] (paperpusher) wrote:

You sound like you went to Edison High School. Let me guess. Magnet program (or whatever other names it goes by)?

[email] (Tarvok) wrote:

No, I went to HS just before the whole magnet thing started, actually. I went to a giant 3-yr HS near a large Southern city (Soph, Jr., & Sr. only) that had over 2400 students. 1000 sophs in my class, 675 graduated. No, I just lucked out and got some good teachers (and a few bad ones, but what cannot be cured must be endured.) And, no, I'm not *that* old, either. We even had computers back then. Big, giant machines... no, not univaxes, just apples. (But our school couldn't afford macs, so everyone had type their own papers. Bummer.)

But anyway, I guess the school was so big that everyone could fit in somewhere, I guess. I dunno. Maybe I was just clueless, but I sure did get to travel! (Ah, yes, music geeks always get the good trips... oops! I let out our secret!)

rich.

"Woooo, what a racket!" -- General Buck Conroy, Publisher, Brutal Mercenary Magazine.

ROTFFLMGDAO (tee hee, this is getting to long maybe I should stuck to LOL)

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Dictionaries? (Yawn) Yup, got one o' them. It's a Webster's New World College Edition. Only 1588 pages, too. A bargain. I also have a slightly termite-eaten 1977 United Press International Stylebook. (I didn't know termites ate books before I found that they gobbled up my copy of Westley's "News Editing" and Seidle's "Air Time", remnants of my days as a Journalism major in the '70s. They stopped when they got to the stylebooks, though, and Mandel's "Advertising". I'm sure there's some significance to that).

Anyone care to discuss hymnals? I have seven shelves of them. No one? Hmm. The termites wouldn't touch 'em, either.

BTW, anyone else notice the distinct *lack* of bookcases in Daria's room. Apparently, she doesn't keep them, she just reads them. Which is fine, I guess, since there's a decent library nearby.

Peace Kevin

On 29 Dec 1998 20:00:19 GMT, [email] (KTrick45) wrote:

My house being the First Assembly of God Church, I've got a fair share on hand.

I buy at least 2 books a week at the used bookstore in town, read them, and then they end up in my closet or in my locker at school.

___

Uh-oh, someone just put me in a position of responsibility! The day has suddenly turned sinister...

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Kyle wrote:

Lucky you. Btw, are termites those little ant things? Or am I thinking of something else?

I try to avoid buying books because either I never read them or I read them in a single afternoon, depending on how good they are. They usually end up being given to my brother or one of my millions of cousins at the next present-giving opportunity. If I decide to keep them they seem to just disappear after a week or so under all the stuff on my bedroom floor. At least I *think* that's where they go......

Alli

That'd be them. The pest control guy says they're actually more closely related to the roach than the ant. It has something to do with the lack of a pupal stage. Anyway, they're destructive little buggers. And this area (western Pennsylvania) is infested with them.

Unless the termites are eating them....

Peace Kevin

Oh yeah. I'm supposed to be learning this stuff. All I remember is Connie saying "egg nymph nymph nymph imago" "egg naiad naiad naiad imago"

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Eccles9697 wrote:

Huh??

Alli

The stages of metamorphosis. There are like different types, like incomplete metamorphosis, complete metamorphosis, and Kafka's Metamorphosis. No, wait, that's something else. There's a cockroach though.

But you really have to know Connie I guess. None of you know Connie.

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KTrick45 wrote:

Eww.....

Nah, we don't have termites here. Just ants. Billions of the little bastards every spring. They don't eat books so far as I know. :)

Alli

They probably get collected in the dead of night by that creepy Nescafe guy to restock the Sunnydale library.

(For the benefit of US readers I should mention that the Watcher librarian guy in Buffy is known mainly in the UK for starring in a stupid coffee ad where he's forever trying to get into some woman's knickers. That "Watcher" title makes me think "peeping tom".) (Buffy just premiered on BBC2 in the UK which is why I bring it up.)

What books has Daria read? The only one I can recall seeing is "Heart of Darkness", the book Apocalypse Now was based on. Maybe she doesn't read much. I think books are over-rated myself, certainly novels are. Like Marvin the paranoid android said, "Life's bad enough as it is, why invent more of it?"

-Shez.

On Fri, 01 Jan 1999 19:45:18 GMT, [email] wrote:

On the contrary, Daria is very well read. She *is* a budding writer, after all. Let's see:

"Heart of Darkness" (from "Gifted") "Moby Dick" (from "The Big House") "The Iliad" (from "The Big House") "Catch-22" (from "Quinn the Brain") "Frankenstein" (from "Write Where it Hurts") "1984" (from "Write Where it Hurts") "Huckleberry Finn" (from "Write Where it Hurts") "Madame Bovary" (from "Write Where it Hurts") "Breakfast of Champions" (from "Write Where it Hurts") "The Dharma [something]" (from "Write Where it Hurts")

In my opinion, anyone who doesn't read good literature has even less depth than Brittany and the entire Fashion Club put together.

Martin (to send e-mail, remove the "nospam" from my e-mail address) ---- "Don't worry. Today it's brains, tomorrow pierced tongues, then the next day, pierced brains." - Jane Lane ---- Outpost Daria: Your Online Database for All Things Daria! http://systech.simplenet.com/daria/

"Martin J. Pollard" wrote:

Oh, thanks!

Alli

On Fri, 01 Jan 1999 22:20:01 +0000, "endless, nameless" wrote:

Sorry, Alli. :-) I just calls 'em like I sees 'em. Daria had a point in "Monster", when she told O'Neill that kids these days would rather watch TV or rent a movie than read a book. In America, at least, it's had the effect of high schools churning out an alarming number of people who barely qualify to work in fast food restaurants, let alone attend the college of their choice (if they even *have* a college of choice, that is).

Martin (to send e-mail, remove the "nospam" from my e-mail address) ---- "Don't worry. Today it's brains, tomorrow pierced tongues, then the next day, pierced brains." - Jane Lane ---- Outpost Daria: Your Online Database for All Things Daria! http://systech.simplenet.com/daria/

"Martin J. Pollard" wrote:

Now, I would rather read a book than watch a movie. TV is different because it's just on in the background and I rarely actually *watch* what's on. I don't plan to take an English A level, possibly because I am notorious for not doing English homework and the teachers would strongly advise me to do something else, so I don't have to read books to go to college, I'm not going in that direction. I think it's important that people should have qualifications, but I don't think reading books is necessary for getting them. :) I think reading is made to sound much more important than it actually is.

Alli

On Sat, 02 Jan 1999 18:46:54 +0000, "endless, nameless" wrote:

I'd prefer watching Annie Hall or Eraserhead over reading The Bridges of Madison County(OK, not exactly great literature. I think it's anti-literature.) On the other hand I'd rather read Burroughs or Kerouac than watch Eraserhead. IMHO great cinema is just as important as great literature. A movie camera, in the right hands, is an equally powerful tool as a typewriter. If that makes me shallow, I don't care: My pores are cute! My pores are tiny!

Happydude wrote:

But movies are, like, 2 hours long! That's the main reason I don't watch movies very often. At least with a book you can stop for a while and read the rest later. :)

On Sat, 02 Jan 1999 18:46:54 +0000, "endless, nameless" wrote:

	Actually, I think that, unless you're going into engineering
and planning to live in a bubble (so to speak), literature is a very
important aspect of a person's self-education. An English major (or
any other language, for that matter), would, of corse, have to be the
master when it comes to lit, but others would find it important as
well.
	For instance, a PolySci major could benefit a great deal from
knowing what the mistakes of the past looked like to a contemporary
author. A computer science major who plans to go into game making
could very well benefit from a wide experience with fiction, history,
and legends, from Homer to Tolkein and beyond. And, of corse, in a
nation ruled by voting polls (which America definately is, and Britain
probably is, as well), it would be nice if the people at large knew
just how close we are to repeating the mistakes of Greece and Rome
(and France, and Germany, and every other great nation to ever exist).
As it is said, "Those who refuse to learn history are doomed to repeat
it."
	And, in general, it just helps to learn that, for all the
changes that go on, in technology, in custom, people really don't
change incredibly much. And besides, when you see an old story in
movie form, you're seeing it through the eyes of the screenwriter,
director, etc. One can only see through the eyes of one who was there
by reading it as it was written.
	All of this is probably the reason why Daria is the cynic she
is. She knows what's happening, knows her peers (and her parents as
well, probably) are completely oblivious to it, knows that, at this
time, she's really too young to do anything about it, that, indeed,
the decadence is probably inevitable, so what to do?

Tarvok wrote:

I'm going into engineering probably, so I plan to live in a bubble, yes. :)

Alli

That'd be "The Dharma Bums." Not on *my* top 100 list, but, as an English class assignment, there are a lot worse choices these days.

Peace Kevin

Wheeeyah. Jack Kerouac. He's really cool actually.

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In article , [email] (Martin J. Pollard) writes:

"The Dharma Bums". And you left out "The Tell-Tale Heart And Other Stories" from...I forget which episode, but I loved Brittany's comment: "'The Tell-Tale Heart'? I *love* romance novels!"

MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")

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On 02 Jan 1999 06:19:36 GMT, [email] (Progbear) wrote:

Thanks, and thanks to the other kind poster who pointed it out. Damn video's too blurry to make it out! :-)

I forgot about that one! That was also from "Gifted" (the opening scene in study hall).

"Yeah. Nothing says 'Be Mine' like a pounding heart beneath the floorboards."

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Martin J. Pollard wrote in message ...

The last time this thread came up I found the list at:

http://members.xoom.com/DegaStreet/book.html

I've been having fun reading some of the books on the list that I hadn't read. I'd only read about a third of them. There are 17 on the list and I don't think it's quite complete. I'm sure it won't be complete when the new season of Daria starts. I imported the list into a Paradox database for easy reference. I also found the list of the 100 best novels of the 20th century and imported that into Paradox as well. A join between the two databases shows that Daria has read four of these--the same number I'd read. I've since added one more to my personal number of that list.

Several of the books on Daria's list I found I could download off the net and read them on my computer. Not even a trip to the library needed. No excuses.

While I was at it I read a few that I'd always wanted to read but I had simply never gotten a round tuit. Daria inspired me I guess. I'd have to say I've enjoyed it.

There are a couple of these I would recommend to Daria:

"Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith. (or more completely, "An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations"). A remarkable work. No thinking person should have not read this--including Daria. I'm a little ashamed to admit that it took me as long to get to it as it did, but I'm glad I finally did. It's even more amazing than I'd heard. Even after 200 years it still holds up.

"Candide"--Voltaire. Great stuff. Laughed my ass off! (or, buttock--whatever <g>) Yet deep--and meaningful. Daria would enjoy it. Very Darianesque.

Now I know what you're going to say, "Hell, I'd read all those by the time I was 8." Yeah, maybe so. But for an ignorant good-ole-boy from Tennessee I think I'm doing reasonably well. You do the best you can and hope it'll be good enough.

Anyway, all this "reading and thinking" has stimulated my interest in some peripheral matters that I'm now working on so I'm having to put the reading list in abeyance for now. I'll be getting back to it. It certainly has opened my eyes a bit--and I owe it all to Daria. Daria, you've changed my whole life. (I wonder if MTV would let me interview Daria for FANatic. <g>) A book gives you something to do on those evenings when television's fare has dried up (a frequent problem). I'm glad I had a book to keep me entertained during the pay-per-view showing of "Titanic". (Damn! what a bore!)

Watching a movie isn't like reading a book. So much has been left out when making a novel into a movie--even 4-hour butt-busters. And that doesn't include the problems introduced by screenwriters trying to "fix" the story. Watching a movie may be fast and easy and you may not have to worry about your lips moving but if you don't read the book you'll never know what you're missing.

Bob

that would be "the dharma bums" by jack kerouac. Saerah yeah man, can you dig it?

Seen the film

Read the graphic novel (which is superb incidentally, unlike many of the other conversions of classics into comics)

I don't think I finished that one in the end, it was a bit long

Seen the film. (The Marty Feldman one is best (Young Frankenstein))

I really hate that book, we had to study it at school. People should go see "Brazil" instead. Animal Farm was ok though.

Yes but what is "good literature"? I used to read Dave Sim's "Cerebus the Aardvark" comic, now *that* is good literature, in fact I used to describe it to people as "like Dickens, only good." But even Cerebus failed to hold my attention in the end. I should not though that it is a 300 issue story being serialised over 25 years. Batches of issues spanning 1-4 years group together, forming a series of novels, but even with Cerebus not all of them are good and somewhere along the line I lost interest. So much for great literature.

But most novels are not literature they're anaesthetics. People would be better off taking drugs than reading a lot of the trash that is continuously churned out, Mills & Boon and all that crap.

-Shez.

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You really ought to check out the original material instead of relying on some screenwriter or other writer to filter it through their kidneys for you. You don't know what they've left out, what changes they've made. You can't really say you know the work until you've actually read the original words from the original author. Then you can enjoy the sublime pleasure of being able to say, "I liked the book better."

For example, "Frankenstein" is nothing like any of the movies. Read it and see for yourself. And "1984" is SUPPOSED to be unpleasant. That's the whole point. (Well actually there's more to it than just that.) Of course there's nothing like teaching it in school to ruin it for you. (I think that's the idea behind sex education in the schools. If it were really implemented the human race would become extinct.)

Good question! A VERY good question! If only there were a good answer to go with it. In fact there are thousands of new books published each year. Add to the books already in libraries and you have a monstrous pile. How DO you select which ones to read and which ones to pass by? No matter how fast a reader you are it's physically impossible to read them all. No one lives that long.

The best rule is to trust your friends. Find someone whose judgment you trust. Validate their judgment by sampling a few of their recommendations. When you've found someone whose recommendations you can rely on you have it made. If you have several friends who all agree on a set of books then you can be even more certain. Of course the best recommendations are the ones that come with REASONS why they think the book is good rather than a curt "It's cool!" You can't rely on literary critics. When Joseph Heller's novel "Catch-22" first came out the critics damned it. Now it's being recommended as one of the best novels of the century. One source: your friends in A.T.D. will never tell you wrong.

Maybe a little harsh, but--yeah, of course. That's the whole idea. Diverting the mind. Stimulating thought. Thinking beyond one's fingertips. We all aspire, most of us anyway, to having more to life than work all day, drag home dog-tired, collapse into the easy chair for a few hours of bubblegum-for-the-mind from the tube, and then off to bed to prepare for a repeat the next day. Haven't you ever been reading a good book and then, suddenly, you look up and realize, "What the hell time is it? How long have I been sitting here reading?" because you've just lost all track of time. You've been lost in a world of some author's creation, oblivious to the passage of time outside the author's virtual world. It's harmless. And you don't have to worry about passing a drug test afterwards. And also, unlike drugs, you don't have to worry about getting some "bad junk." The mind is resilient enough to spring back, unharmed, from an encounter with a crummy book. Just remember to warn your friends so they don't make the same mistake. Friends don't let friends read bad books.

Bob

R. K. Henry wrote:

I suspect the previous poster was indulging in at least a *bit* of irony, buuuuuut.....I could be wrong.

     Well, I can have the distinct pleasure of saying I read "1984" before
seeing the film. Though it probably wasn't the best choice to take along with
me on a long airplane journey (probably should have gone with something more
*upbeat*, but the only other things we had lying around the house that
qualified were my sister's Piers Anthony novels, and I hate Piers Anthony), I'm
glad I did read it. And after re-viewing "Brazil" I noticed how derivative it
is of "1984" (and, to a lesser degree, "Brave New World"). I still like it,
though. My guess is that Gilliam wanted to do the film version of "1984", but
when he found out someone else already had the rights, he did his own
"1984"-esque film his own way.
     I'm also glad that I had already read "Breakfast Of Champions" two years
ago, now no-one can accuse me of reading it to bone up on the source for the
upcoming film. Conversely, I refuse to watch any version of "Blade Runner"
until I have read "Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?" I don't want to make
the same mistake I did with "Dune". What a terrible film!  And, I refuse to
watch "House Of The Spirits" even though I already have read the novel (why
would I want to watch a film version of such an unfilmable book? What's next in
line for this director, "Love In the Time Of Cholera"?)

MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")

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Actually Gilliam didn't intend on writing it to be like 1984, I think he may have even said he'd never read it. Which wouldn't really surprise me.

I've heard only bad things about that. Including some from Robert Weide (screenwriter of "Mother Night" and friend of Vonnegut's) in which he seemed to know that it's no good.

Speak English, you swine! You know there are no subtitles on this newsgroup!

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I don't know what he had in mind, but I had a Brazilian friend who was convinced that Brazil was simply a film about Brazil. She said it was an extremely accurate satire of her country as it then was (ie. mid 1980's). I expect it would also fit many other Latin American countries of that era.

Storywise, the film is better than the book. However, they're both totally different. Like most of Philip K. Dick's novels, Do Androids Dream... packs some thought-provoking ideas into an otherwise indifferent novel.

I loved the film. Except as usual (eg. Blue Velvet) Lynch cast Kyle MacLachlan as a boy when he was obviously way too old for the part.

-Shez.

Can anyone else see Mr. O'Neill saying "I didn't like that... it's downbeat."

In terms of figuring out what to read I talk to lots of people who always tell me to read this or that. Jim Yoakum gave me a big list, the best one was "Catch-22". Wheeeyeah.

Whatever you like, I guess. I bought everyone I know books for Christmas, which was fun. Everything from Walden to Ranma 1/2 to Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Which was interesting, and I think I did pretty well.

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"R. K. Henry" wrote:

LOL.

My friends don't read books anyway.....

Alli

Replace work with school and you've got my life in a nutshell, God help me...

You have just described my entire existence. It can also be like that for a good computer game, or good cinema. The medium doesn't *really* matter as much as people say, or at least I think so. It's the message, and the author/screenwriter/designer's capacity for using the medium to convey that message in a stimulating way. <Crawls back into the Lurking Corner, dodging bottles and tomatoes all the way>

-Mindy JANE: Now that you've got such a good attitude, can I have your boots? DARIA: Sure. Turn around and I'll give you one right now.

But why read it when you've already lived it? I could also publish "1998" but frankly I wouldn't want to inflict that year on anyone in book form either, and anyway the societal backdrop (omnipresent CCTV surveillance, Ministry of Truth, Doublespeak, etc) would be the same as it was for Winston Smith.

Yes, but in the end I threw Lord of the Rings away. I think it was voted "all time best literary work" in the UK last year though.

Mostly harmless, perhaps. I would rather read something which inspires me or improves my understanding of the world. With most novels you come away understanding a lot about their world and but with no new insights into your own. But some novels are vehicles for conveying theories about the world or offer insights into particular aspects of it. Those are the type I consider worth reading. Carlos Castenada's books are a good example, although you can read them for transient enjoyment they can also transform your life if you can perceive the ideas being conveyed. But most often I read non-fiction. E.g. I would rate the Absinthe essay on my website as an example of Great Literature, not only is it beautiful prose but it's a more worthwhile read than almost any novel that you are likely to find.<URL:http://www.xerez.demon.co.uk/absinthe.html>

-Shez.

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Ok, here's my view. I don't think the "societal backdrop" is the primary issue in "1984." It's not about "Ministries of Truth," "Doublespeak," or surveillance. Here's the quote that explains what I think is the REAL point of the book:

"The party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness; only power, pure power."

In fact I think this describes the kind of people we have running the world today. These people simply get their jollies by manipulating the "little people." For one, I'm quite certain this is the attitude that infects a certain U.S. President. By focusing on the surveillance issue I think most people miss the point. You don't need to worry about TV cameras looking into homes, you have to worry about people who strive to acquire power for all the wrong reasons. That's what makes this book timeless. It could have just as easily been describing any era different from that of Winston Smith. By casting his story in a futuristic science-fiction genre, Orwell (Blair) manages to disconnect the story from the present time and its emotional connections, allowing the reader to form opinions uncolored by his present point of view. Only later does the reader realize that what is bad in the fictional year "1984" is also bad in the year 1948--or the year 1998--or 1999. That's the beauty of the science fiction form. That's how H.G.Wells is able to present a moral view in "War of the Worlds" that would have been quite unpalatable to audiences if he'd come right out and said what he meant. Science fiction isn't about how the world is going to be, it's about how the world is. If a book can make people wake up and think about things like this, how can that possibly be a bad thing? Assuming you believe "thinking" to be a good thing. (Daria: "Fashion--good. Thinking--bad.") I'd say that makes it worthwhile. Of course it only works if people get the point.

Of course having gotten the point and having thought about it--what are you going to DO about it? ...

Very interesting. While I can agree that it is well-crafted, I can't say that I think it's the very greatest of literature or that its viewpoint is more correct than any other. The choice may say more about you and your view of the world. This may explain a great deal. <G>

Bob

This isn't a very original theme though, more power has always been a goal of the powerful. Also power isn't really a totally abstract thing, it's the ability to do certain things to certain people, so you still have to look at the ways in which powerful people enjoy and exercise their power. If they didn't use it then it would become a somewhat academic and doubtful attribute.

I think War of the Worlds was a precognitive allegory about the Vietnam War.

That's the thing about literature, people's tastes vary. There is no single set of masterpieces that everyone would agree are the greats or classics. Stuff like Charles Dickens sticks in my gullet, whilst the semi- literate style of Salinger's Catcher In The Rye is simply naff, the device of a literary poseur, and the story itself boring. Yet other people acclaim such works as all-time greats.

-Shez.

I think you give too little credit to the Viet Cong... didn't the humans beat the martians because of the dumb luck of some virus? Careful guerilla warfare doesn't depend that much on dumb luck...

Thought provoking comment, however.

Shez wrote:

I managed to read the whole thing! I was 12, and it took me 2 months, but I was bloody proud of myself for getting through it all afterwards!

Alli

You mean you only read it once? Everyone I knew seemed to be rereading it continuously from about age 12-18. Did you read all the appendices too?

-Shez.

Shez wrote:

I think so, yes. Of course, I have forgotten all of it now, I wouldn't even be able to tell you what the book's about. Oh, no, I can remember the beginning, it's that thing celibrating his eleventy-first birthday. Then he disappears, doesn't he? And then the rest of the book is mostly about his nephew. Am I thinking of the right book? I read The Hobbit before Lord Of The Rings and I can remember most of that. Maybe I'm getting mixed up. I'm totally confused now.....

Alli

That's Lord of the Rings alright. It's just I used to find that for most people I knew who'd read it, it was less of a book and more of a whole alternate universe, people usually seem able to quote whole chapters verbatim and end up living in burrows and fighting each other with swords and magic rings and stuff. Eventually people seem to get over it, but years later, scratch the surface and it's still all there in people's subconscious, like only last month this question popped up on the forteana list, what colour was Shadowfax? And suddenly everyone turns out to be an ex-tolkienite. This is what Tolkien wanted really, and to a large extent achieved, the creation of a set of myths for the English to identify with. He felt Britain lacked mythological roots and set about creating them for us, complete with entire linguistic histories.

-Shez.

You know I read The Hobbit sometime in elementary school, well actually it was one of the books my mother read to me at night which were generally better than the others (like we read "Wolves Against the Moon" which is like adult fiction... not in a perverted way just y'know) ... I started reading Lord of the Rings on my own but I was like 10 and didn't get real far, it's on my list of "maybe when I have more time" but I have a few more to read now in that I just started "Ulysses" but I got a couple Spike Milligan books in the mail. Good service I think I ordered them Christmas day and they had to be shipped internationally. Damn Americans don't appreciate Spike.

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Have you read Alan Garner's "Weirdstone of Brisingamen"? That was a very strange book, sort of a Lord of the Rings type story intruding into normal life when some kids discover this magic stone.

-Shez.

Eccles9697 wrote:

How old are you now? I read Lord Of The Rings when I was in year 7 and I did a book review on it. I had to read it in, like, a fortnight or something because that was how long we got to do book reviews. Bloody bitch teacher wouldn't let me do it as 3 separate books.......

What? Why not?? How is that possible?!?

Alli

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Because they're assholes. Just never caught on most people haven't heard of him. Some of the public radio stations used to play the Goon Show, but now... don't.

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Heyy!! We DO have ears, you know! well, eyes, i suppose in this case.. but still.. if you're gonna call every american an asshole, i'm gonna call every brit a pasty pompous ass.

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There are no British. Only Americans yet to be assimila... err, patriated via treaties and friendly takeovers.

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Who the fuck would want to take over this shithole and these people???? :)

Alli

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Bill Gates?

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That seems strangely familiar somehow......wonder why..... :)

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You know I am the person who called Americans assholes and I also happen to be an American. Have been since I was born and I've never been anywhere else except Cananda. Of course my general rule is that people are assholes. The whole gist of my statement anyway was about Spike Milligan who never caught on here in America.

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Eccles9697 wrote:

Don't say that! It's 'arseholes'!! 'Assholes' is the American word! :)

Alli

Yes but Dagny is American isn't she? She's cunningly sowing seeds of dissent between our nations; using the American word was her only slip-up (apart from posting from American timezone and already being known to be an amerikaner anyhow...)

-Shez.

On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 23:38:41 +0000, "endless, nameless" wrote:

Dude! There was a time when I only knew it as three separate books: Fellowship of the Ring, Gray Tower? (can't remember that one), and Return of the King. I didn't see any single book compilations (and didn't know it was supposed to be a single novel) until the past few years.

Tarvok wrote:

Oh, I had it in the three separate books, but the bitch teacher still made me review it as one book.

Alli

On Sun, 03 Jan 1999 00:26:41 GMT, [email] wrote:

I've read the book. There is absolutely NO WAY any screenwriter could provide the same effect that reading the book gives. It doesn't matter how many shaded filters you use; you can't get that degree of inner darkness on camera.

Yeah, but atd readers can provide that bit themselves.

-Shez.

Shez wrote:

(In Ted DeWitt Clinton voice):

Wait a minute. You're using irony, aren't you? You used a literary reference to say that literature is overrated. You're funny!

Peace Kevin

KTrick45 of AOL http://www.aol.com writes:

Ah, but Hitchhiker's Guide was a radio drama series. No reading necessary! Book versions of the stories were later produced but they're not as good as the original radio plays. Where the tv version fits in is another issue again.

Under Milk Wood is another example of this, reading the play from a book is nothing like listening to the classic recording of it, with the all- Welsh cast and Richard Burton narrating, even though in this case the words are the same. The intonation of the words is very important to the impact and overall atmosphere.

-Shez.

I have a few hymnals dug out from my grandma's attick. Most of them are in German, which makes them of moderate interest. We have Bibles in German too.

I have a little paperback Webster's I got like for my birthday once... oh, and there's an MLA stylebook somewhere my mom had to buy I think for getting her Masters (in Library Science)

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Dagny wrote:

I've got one German hymnal. The flyleaf is inscribed "Louise Wickmann, 1888" She's my great-great grandmother.

Library Science. The wierdest course I had in college. The professor was... beyond reasonable description. I was taking Personality Theory in Psych at the time, and she was the classic Freudian "Oral Receptive" character. She is the only person I've seen who could chew gum, smoke a cigarette (right under the "No Smoking" placard), eat a candy bar, and talk nonstop, all at the same time. And I didn't see her do it too much, because it wasn't something you could stand to look at for very long.

Anyway, our assignment for the term was to write a term paper about writing a term paper on researching how to write a term paper about something. (Hmm. Who'd ever guess I have trouble communicating?) Very strange class.

Peace Kevin

I don't have any hymnals, German or otherwise, but I do have a German dictionary, and a copy of Zelazny's "Lord Of Light" in German, which I picked up free from the El Cerrito Book Exchange. I haven't yet examined it in-depth enough to find the insidious soup ads. ;-{)> (Anyone here know what I'm talking about?)

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KTrick45 wrote in message ...

No, the two trollies and two cartons full of hymnals here are unmolested by any pest (unless you count the infants who chew the corners).

guess,

Unless there's a family bookcase in some other part of the Morgendorffer home, and Daria has shelf space in it?

Happy sixth day of Christmas.

Martin.

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Good point. I too would expect Daria to be a frequent library user. My point is that she may still own some books, albeit that we haven't seen a bookcase in *her* room.

Your comment reminds me of an exchange I heard in a student's tiny room, every horizontal surface piled with books. Albert was a mature student; Professor Plum was a young professor (with a spacious study) who liked students to like him. The names have been changed. "Look at these books! Albert's got as many as Professor Plum!" "There is a difference." "What's that?" "Albert's read his."

(The person who made that remark was awarded the "Saucer of Milk Award").

Martin.

Actually, there *is* a bookcase in her room. It's right next to the door. I can't remember which episode(s) it appears in. It looks like it has five or six shelves, two of which contain books. We could speculate on just what books those are. Any votes for New Oxford? Webster's? Various, assorted and sundry stylebooks? Biology books describing insect metamorphosis? Kafka's Metamorphosis? Hymnals? Journalism texts partially eaten by termites?

Which would be...?

Peace Kevin

Kevin wrote in message ...

I'll look out for it!!

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In English English, a remark like this could be called "catty". Strictly speaking, to describe a remark as catty is to imply that it arose from jealousy, spite, or malice; vs. one made in affectionate, jocular, good humour. Someone in college once made a catty remark while taking tea in another student's room: the host poured a little milk into a saucer and laid it in front of the maledictor. Thus the "Saucer of Milk Award" was born; the saucer, and the milk, were therafter nominal.

No cats were hurt in the production of this email.

Martin.

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The term is used in American English as well, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone go so far as to present an award. I have heard people say "meow" in response to such a remark. In context I don't think such a response would be forthcoming. Since most people can't read anyway (illiteracy >25%), commenting that someone hadn't read all the books on their bookshelf should hardly raise an eyebrow.

And why should anyone care whether someone has read a book they've bought or not? Those books boost sales figures whether anyone has read them or not. Sales make the publisher profitable and those profits lead to more books. Some people receive books as gifts, books they would never consider buying because they would never consider reading. I know most of the stuff in the bookstores today I would never waste neurotransmitters on. And who knows, in years to come, when all the well-read copies are too dog-eared to read, that unread copy in someone's personal library might constitute the last good copy of a title long out of print. No, the REAL waste is book burning--a crime against humanity.

Bob

This reminds me of a joke i saw on Dr. Katz..

"I don't like people to smoke in my apartment. No actually, let me rephrase that. I don't like MEN to smoke in my apartment. If it's a woman, she can be smoking a bong, a hibachi, have a book burning, wahtever, God bless her for showing up."

R. K. Henry wrote in message ...

But it did! You had to be there, I suppose. The humility of "Albert," and "Professor Plum's" desire to be liked and thought of as learned (which he undoubtedly was), and the timing and inflexion of the remark, and its accompanying expression and body language, and the known views about "Professor Plum" of the one who made the remark, all contributed.

or

Another reason for intepreting the remark as catty.

It saddens me to see people using as home furnishings, books that someone else would cherish, read, and learn from.

Yep, recycling them into cardboard packaging for teletubby dolls is much more responsible. 8-/

Martin.

Martin Sylvester wrote:

It's environmentally friendly, or whatever......

Alli

On Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:49:03 -0000, "Martin Sylvester" wrote:

Actually, she does. It's standing right next to her bedroom door. Her desk is on the same wall, between her bookcase and the wall that houses her closet.

Okay, picture it like this (this is gonna be ASCII graphics, so if you're not using a monospaced font, turn it on now or else it'll look like crap):

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Layout courtesy of "The Daria Diaries" and an article from Seventeen magazine (originally posted on Planet Daria).

And yes, I have *way* too much time on my hands. :-)

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Martin J. Pollard wrote in message ...

Wow! Impressive map.

It seems Daria has done quite well out of being the elder sister, at least in terms of her room. A corner room with four windows! (Aside, to self: "Steady, lad, don't go envying a cartoon character. Get a grip!")

I'm not saying a word. ;-)

Martin.

On Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:43:17 -0000, "Martin Sylvester" wrote:

I have a corner room with 4 windows.

Oh yeah, I'm the older sibling.

Life is good...

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Martin Sylvester wrote:

I'm an older sister, and my room's only got one window, and that's facing north so no light gets in anyway. My parents made me take that room when we moved in 'cos they said my brother couldn't have a pink bedroom, he had to have the blue one. Like he'd care, he was 3 years old at the time. <sulks>

Alli

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You could have offered to paint it! Okay, so you were six at the time, but the threat (sorry, offer) might have been enough. ;-)

This house is set among mature trees, and a Victorian Gothic church looms over it, so it feels like living in The Kingdom of Gloom. Whoever invented halogen uplighters has my profound gratitude. And we buy low energy bulbs by the trade pack.

Martin.

Martin wrote:

Well, in the house I grew up in, every bedroom was a corner room. Each had two windows. However, as the eldest, I got the one with the window that I could see the railroad tracks from.

Now, I'm the dad, and I still have a corner room, (every bedroom is) but I only have one (small, north-facing) window. I loathe Cape Cod architecture! (If you don't know, a "Cape Cod" has bedrooms on the second floor, but the roof is steeply pitched, and the front and rear walls are sloped to the underside of the roof. There are no windows in the front or rear walls, only the sides. Some have "dormer" windows cut into the roof, but not the one I live in).

Anyway, according to "The Daria Diaries" Quinn chose the "normal" room, allowing Daria to take command of the padded cell. She played right into Daria's hands.

Peace Kevin

You know that reminds me. I hate people who by books for decoration. This one family with this really yuppy house (come to think of it, they're a really yuppy family) had a bookshelf full of those decorative books I know they hadn't read.

As opposed to my father who has four large bookshelves of books he has read. And he got rid of a bunch a few years ago...

Dagny misery chick, cynic, general loony

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"One must have chaos in one, to give birth to a dancing star. I tell you: you still have chaos in you." Friedrich Nietzsche

Eccles9697 wrote:

My dad's got hundreds of books. That would be OK if he didn't keep trying to make me read them.....

Alli

paperpusher wrote:

I have a French dictionary! And a Spanish one, too!

Hey, I at least have a bookcase....but it has no books on it.....

I'm different! I'm different to everyone, though! Even the people here! <sniff> I'm all on my own......

Alli

They're a damn hard habit to kick too! ;)

On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:31:34 -0800, "endless, nameless" wrote:

A class ring, 50 dollar gift certificate to the local bookstore (Books a Million, not Books by the Ton), and a Flight Simulator for my computer. It's exactly what I wanted, but it's too damn hard! I can take off, then try wildly to straighten out for about 10 minutes while ATC tells me to adjust my heading, then crash.

___

Uh-oh, someone just put me in a position of responsibility! The day has suddenly turned sinister...

Another Nugget of Knowledge from the Wonderful World of Kyle(TM), ICQ#12773280

i got: a grateful dead CD, a pair of sneaks, new jeans, an ugly sweatshirt, and a jewelry box. and a friend of mine "donated" an eigth of weed to me and my bf. :) Saerah

"endless, nameless" wrote:

A Compact OED (with magnifying glass, of course), Fowler's Modern English Usage, The New Oxford Guide to Writing, 2 more books about writing, a couple of South Park DVDs, a plush Mr. Hankey (thanks, sis!), and a flashlight that sticks to your fridge. (Don't ask me why-- I have *no* idea. And, yes, I was a Lit. Major in college-- these are all books that I *wanted*.)

"How geeky is *that*?"

rich.

Oh, yeah, and best Holiday Wishes to all, and a Happy 11 to those who still keep the tradition. (Grins as he knows that *no one* will get that reference.)

Jane: Usually when I have this dream I'm wearing pink taffeta.

[email] wrote:

That's *it*? You must have worse relatives than me! :)

I can imagine! 50 messages a day on a 14.4K modem......

I can't say I have, I've always had more sense than to try! :)

Apart from the terrible presents, crappy palmtop, and lack of good television......? :)

Alli

[email] wrote in message <914767526.20839.0.nnrp-

How many Daria videos are there...any idea?

In article , "Paul gate" wrote:

So far, just the one...FOUR "South Park" videos, but only ONE "Daria"!

The world makes no sense.

Mad Hamish

"Whut?"

Paul gate wrote in message ...

Only one available in the UK. It's called, "Daria," and I got it for UKP8.99. The certificate is PG; and the number, VHR4671. The episodes on the video are, Esteemsters," "The Invitation," and "College Bored." It also includes the unaired pilot.

Martin.

On 1998-12-26 [email] said:

Just the one, sadly. I'll have to invest the rest of the dosh until they release another.

-Shez.

Net-Tamer V 1.11P - Test Drive

A 32x CD-ROM, a 16-Bit Sound Blaster, speakers, a Discman, ugly clothes (gee, thanks Mom) ugly Tigger slippers (Thanks, Aunt Brenda... I needed something to scare the pet bird with) and that mother of all presents, cash. Oh yeah, and an overpriced computer game.

"endless, nameless" asks:

	From the wife, every released tape of Babylon5. Gonna have to keep
her for another year.
	From the mutant pigs, replacement tools that they managed to lose.
Still want to sell them to a Pakistani soccer ball factory.

On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:56:07 -0000, "Paul gate" wrote:

and a happy Festivus for the rest of us!!!

me too, here's something meaningless....

purple monkey roller coaster tree, orange thingies on fire!! Look out for the normal-sized ducks.

I'll deny I ever said it and then blame the booze but....I love you all too. Merry Christmas

I've just got back into my study after Midnight Mass, so I'm in the mood to say:

   Merry Christmas to everyone on atd,
   Peace and joy to you and to the people you love.

Martin.

Martin Sylvester wrote:

Yeah, happy Christmas everyone, if it's now a little late. My Christmas has been marginally better than a normal day, but I'm sulking because noone gave me black nail varnish and I need some. I'm always one to pick the most trivial thing and get in a bad mood about it, but that's not my problem......

No, only the ones who gave me good presents. :)

Alli