So, in Season 3...........

So, in season 3, are we going to get the 22 episode season we were promised for season 2? That still is bugging me, by the way. Also, who was it that posted something about Daria driving in season 3? Where did we find that out?? Anything else given out that the other public hasn't heard?? Do tell...

On 31 Jan 1999 04:57:10 GMT, [email] (Daerith069) wrote:

Season three will be 13 episodes, and I think the "26 episode season" thing was a misunderstanding somewhere down the line. After the first two episodes, "Daria" was renewed for 26 more episodes, but that obviously was intended to cover seasons two and three (per the info Michelle Klein-Hass had obtained through her various contacts in the animation industry, including Glenn Eichler).

Michelle has obtained this information from Glenn Eichler, and since the third season is almost upon us, I figure whetting your appetites would not be out of line. :-)

In season three:

1. Daria learning to drive will be a running gag throughout several episodes.

• Aunt Amy will make a return appearance (yay!).

3. We will finally see the entire Lane family, including Penny, Summer, Wind, and probably their various offspring. I think we'll also see their father -- who might finally get a name -- and we may see Amanda Lane's face, though I think it would be neater if they did a Vera Peterson or Maris Crane thing with her. :-) The title for this episode will be "Lane Miserables" (everone can now groan at the bad pun).

4. The Daria/Trent faction had better brace themselves for this one: the ongoing situation between those two will finally be resolved, one way or another. Glenn did not say how, only that "Trent will not be crushed by a falling goalpost." :-)

Finally, true to their promise to age the characters, all of the characters will be a year older. This means that Daria and Jane will be 17, and in their junior year, and Quinn will be 15-1/2 and in her sophomore year. The current formula for aging is "one year for every two seasons." At this rate, Daria will graduate by the end of the sixth season... presuming that the show *lasts* six years, of course. Let's hope it does, as I *REALLY* want to see her valedictorian speech! :-)

Martin (to send e-mail, remove the "nospam" from my e-mail address) ---- "Don't worry. Today it's brains, tomorrow pierced tongues, then the next day, pierced brains." - Jane Lane ---- Outpost Daria: Your Online Database for All Things Daria! http://systech.simplenet.com/daria/

[email] (Martin J. Pollard) wrote:

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I ran across a couple of blurbs for two season three eps while doing my usual TV Listings research, but I'll put in spoiler space just in case you don't want to know. And, of course, this information does NOT come from anyone at MTV, just from a TV Listings database that I occasionally check. This time, it actually had something interesting on it. <g> So, please take it "as is," and remember that one TV Listings service routinely refers to "the Misery Chick" as an episode about the Prom. Go figure. If anyone "official" wants to confirm or deny the info, you can email me, or just let Michelle know, and she can tell me. (I'm paid to keep secrets for a living, BTW, so I won't reveal anything untoward.) ;-)

Oh, and hey, if the official types are listening, how about Daria DVDs for our friends abroad who are suddenly deprived of their Daria fix? (Or for our friends here who are tired of trying to tape the show <g>.) (But this time, convince the suits to spring for the original music, please!!!)

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last chance to turn back

ok, here it comes

The two episodes were titled "Through a Lens Darkly" (I love the play on words, BTW.), and "The Old and the Beautiful." Descriptions given were: for the first one: "Daria debates about whether to get contact lenses" and the second: "Daria reads to senior citizens during volunteer week."

Okay, so it's not much. But I'll take what I can get. <g> And I bet that she has the same problem I had with contacts-- they make my eyes swell shut. I only use them for fencing, because my glasses fog up under the mask. Needless to say, I don't fence much anymore, as I *hate* to stick my finger in my eye for *any* reason, and I really hate it when my eyes swell shut. Oops, sorry, off-topic again. <g>

rich.

Daria: Sorry, with all of this animation, I thought I was on Nickelodeon for a moment.

Jane: You wish.

Daria: Tell me about it.

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Hey, thanks for that. I'm engaged in an internal debate as to whether I should unsubscribe from atd once S3 starts airing, since it'll be a while until those of us in the UK who depend on C5 get to see it (if we do: C5 only announced an *intention* to acquire and screen S3, and intentions can change). Do I want my first viewing of S3 coloured by having seen the eps discussed here, or should I see the new eps unmediated by others' opinions? <ponders>

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Hey, that's the kind of fencing opponent I like! One with his eyes swollen shut! Bring your foil, sabre, *and contacts* next time you come to England. Especially the contacts. Don't forget them. <g>

I use some stuff that I originally started using for climbing and mountaineering. It's an antimist spray that's safe for plastic and glass lenses. There are two brands I've found effective: one is "Jackson's of Devon D-MIST Spectacle Cleaner," which comes in a 15ml metered dose aerosol (don't know about availability outside the UK), and another is a larger (20ml? 30ml?) pump action non-aerosol spray marketed IIRC under the name Carl Zeiss (they're a ?Swiss lens and optical instrument makers) - ISTR seeing this in a shop in an Italian ski resort, though I bought mine here in the UK. Try your friendly local optician! HTH you see your opponent - always improves one's fencing a little, I find, seeing one's opponent.

I rarely fence now, relying on two excuses. One, I'm busy every weekend and most evenings, so I can't join a club, and it's hard to find an opponent. Two, my fitness declined dramatically after forced inactivity following a skiing accident. Now I can add, three, my glasses steam up! Thanks! (ISTR a character on the Goon Show using "It makes my glasses steam up" as an excuse for something. With a double entendre, I think. Dagny, our resident Goon Show expert, any comment?)

Martin.

"Martin Sylvester" wrote:

Don't withdraw from the ng, please! We'll just shove in spoiler space, if necessary. That's not asking too much, is it?

actually, it's not a confirmed plotline, so caveat emptor...

Actually, I will be passing through England on my way to France and Germany this summer. Can I send my fencing gear ahead? <g> Oh, and should I just send my foil, or should I send my sabre as well? I'll fence without the contacts, though. I actually fence better without them. (Gee, I wonder why...) Is Grimsby close to London?

Well, the other problem I have with wearing my glasses under my mask is that the always seem to get jammed into my head. (Ouch.) I've just pretty much given up on being able to see and fence at the same time... I just use the Force. <g>

Well, according to my former fencing coach, fencing has one of the lowest injury rates of any sport, as opposed to Aikido (my other outlet), which always seems to leave me aching for a few days after a class. (Although Aikido is a bit more ethical in its treatment of those who would be violent towards you-- you try not to hurt them too much and dissipate their aggressive energy safely, rather than run them through with a foil, or chop them to bits with a sabre.)

rich.

Jake: I love camping! I love it! ... Has anybody seen my pants?

paperpusher wrote in message ...

Well, not everyone might not have the discipline to add spoiler space (it just takes one who innocently thinks "Everyone will have seen it last night," forgetting us Brits); and would I have the discipline to leave the post unread? If I'm around, I'll get plotlines, and opinions. The ng will be so busy when the new eps air that I won't be missed, anyway! As I said, I'm still debating this - I may yet choose to hang about.

England.

Hey, that's no fun! I want to fence against you at your worst. The whole deal's off. <alternative presentation> I fear, Sir, I would scarcely be a worthy opponent for you at your best, since I am now such a poor wielder of the sword. </alternative presentation> <g>.

It's about 140 miles, just about due North, as the crow flies. There's a map on the parish website (see sig) that links to a service that can display maps for anywhere in the UK. By road, it's four and a half hours (170 miles) by the short route, or three and a half hours (220 miles) by the motorway (the speed limit is 70mph on motorways; I'm allowing time to transit London, where the average actual driving speed is 11mph). Humberside International Airport is 20 minutes drive from Grimsby with frequent links to Amsterdam to connect for just about anywhere; perhaps strangely, there's a thrice daily shuttle flight to Aberdeen, but none to London. The train journey between London and Grimsby takes three and a quarter hours, and involves changing once. There is a direct coach service. (I bet that's a fuller answer than you wanted!)

Yes, people thought, when I my prescription changed, that I got small round frames because they look good. Little do they realise it was so I could fence without spectacle injury!

In my case, the Farce <self-deprecating smile>

I guess Aikido forms no part of SAS training then. (Background: in an enquiry into the shooting of terrorists in Gibralatar, where SAS soldiers, according to some reports, emptied a couple of magazines into a terrorist on the ground, one testified something like, "We continued firing until he no longer posed a threat." The SAS suspected that one of the terrorists was carrying a remote control to trigger a huge bomb, so any of them who wasn't lying on the ground with hands in full view *was* still a threat as long as they were capable of voluntary movement.)

Those of us classed as clergy at risk of personal attack (I've got some rough diamonds in my parish, and sick calls take me out at all hours to all areas) had a workshop from the ex-para instructor who teaches personal protection to the police. He didn't mention Aikido - it was nearly all about conflict resolution, and non-physical strategies. An amazing figure he quoted from FBI research: an unnatural defence response (like the famous scraping back kick to the shin if you're grabbed from behind) has to be practiced 2,500 times to become instinctive enough to be of any use in a real emergency. He had an astonishing museum of confiscated weapons, to discourage the foolhardy from acts of bravado. The museum included a well-cared for, freshly sharpened swordstick taken from a septagenarian.

Erm, you still planning to come to England? I don't mean to put you off!

Martin.

"Martin Sylvester" wrote:

Well, hopefully we can make erm, "arrangements" so that you won't face the dilemma. <*wink*>

<snippage>

Well, don't worry-- I haven't fenced foil in over a year, and before that it had been 5 years since I'd fenced foil, so I'm not *that* good. <g> And if you want, we can fence sabre, as I've only done that a few times.

Yes, but don't expect me to attempt to drive in the UK. I enjoy being in one piece, unsmeared across a dashboard. It's going to be bad enough to have to drive in the Allgau-- I want to minimize my exposure to unnecessary risks of splattage.

Yes, I know enough about that to last a lifetime. Although I can go through an entire Aikido class without losing my glasses unless I have to take a breakfall from certain members of the class. (One of whom is 5'4", 100 lbs -- she slams me down on the mat so hard that my glasses bounce. <g>)

Oopsie! Actually, the US Armed Forces do train some members in some basic Aikido techniques, especially the ones that teach how to take falls safely. The US Ski Team also goes through the falling classes in order to reduce injury. Aikido has some great techniques for learning how to fall and roll out of a fall into a standing position.

Well, we're taught similar things in Aikido-- the best Aikido technique is to run away from an attacker until you have at least 4 years of continuous training under your belt. (Pardon the pun.) And even then, if you can evade a situation, it's still best to evade it rather than to try to be a hero. (Mainly because if you are considered to have had substantial training in Martial Arts, you are under a higher standard of care to avoid causing injury in a self-defense situation.) And remember the Prime Directive of martial arts-- if someone dares you to grab their wrist, don't-- otherwise you will most surely regret it. <g>

Don't worry. Remember, I'm from the gun-happy US. Swords don't scare me as much as semiautomatic weapons. Besides, as part of one of my Criminal Law classes we had to tour the state's maximum security prison. I doubt your SAS instructor has seen weapons as evil-looking as *those.* You'd be surprised what a bored inmate can do with a toothbrush, a chunk of metal from a fork, and a lighter. *shudder*

I hope to stop there sometime this Summer, as I said before... but it's all dependent on whether my Aunt in Germany can actually *get* a new apartment-- housing is mess over there. As soon as I know for sure what's happening, I'll let you know.

rich,.

Mr. O'Neill: Let's pledge to make Daria's dream a reality!

Daria: You mean the one where people walking down the street burst into flames?

Mr. O'Neill: The coffeehouse!

Hey, someone put me in a position of responsibility! The day has turned sinister...

Umm I have no idea. I could ask everyone if you really want, that's the only way I get these things done, since everyone in the world asks me Goon questions :) ... it's probably Neddy Seagoon though since I saw some pictures Spike drew of the characters and Neddy had glasses. Sounds like a Neddy line, too.

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Eccles9697 wrote in message ...

excuse

only

questions

drew

Nah, don't go to any trouble. Just thought you might know. 8-)

BTW, Dagny, did you know that ex-Goon Sir Harry Secombe was taken into hospital (yesterday?) after suffering a mild stroke? Story at http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid%5F265000/265971.stm

Martin.

yeah it's been brought up on alt.fan.goons and on the Marx Brothers Mailing List which, interestingly, has a large share of Goon fans. I hope it isn't too serious

I know none of the rest of you know what we're talking about, but it's horridly depressing, so it should fit in nicely

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Martin Sylvester wrote in message ...

It sounds a lot like Bluebottle to me...but i can`t be 100% sure

Neddy...whats wrong with you boy? Bluebottle ..i don`t like it, it makes my glasses steam up.

That *sort* of thing?

Wheeeyah! Another Goon fan on alt.tv.daria? A regular convention! (although still feeling like work where Walter and I will go off on Goon stuff and confuse everyone else)

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Eccles9697 wrote in message ...

Errr, Dagny, I wonder if you can help me out ? <off topic again, tut tut> I remember a Goons epp in which Eccles and Bluebottle discuss "time". Eccles has a piece of paper that he has been assured has the correct time written on it :-) ( i think he purchased it from Neddy because his watch stoped) Anyhow Bluebottle and Eccles have this absolutely absurd discusion about the correct time...It is hilarious,..but i don`t know which show it is. Any ideas?

'The Mysterious Punch-up-the-Conker' (series 7, show 19)

Next question: what Goon Show character does Daria most resemble? :) Maybe Gryvpipe-Thynne... Dagny misery chick, cynic, general loony

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Eccles9697 wrote in message ...

Thanks

That's a sneaky way to be off topic :-) Grytpipe? Thynne : International turkish bath consultant and underfloor heating detective Daria...Hi-school outsider and homework trader The similarities are obvious of course... :-)

Eccles9697 wrote in message ...

Thanks

That's a sneaky way to be off topic :-) Grytpipe? Thynne : International turkish bath consultant and underfloor heating detective Daria...Hi-school outsider and homework trader The links are obvious of course... :-)

OK so it's not my best comparison, but it's one of few Daria-related ones, unless you want to hear a rambling thing on Daria, Kafka, and being "downbeat"...

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Eccles9697 wrote in message ...

Yes please....

If you could squeeze Kurt Vonnegut in as well i will stand up and applaud.....well "virtualy"

Well see the Kafka thing comes from thequote on the back of Barnes and Noble's edition of Metamorphosis (yes, Barnes and Noble. You can commence burning me at the stake now.) The quote was from a letter or something of Kafka's, about reading books that "wound and stab us... that grieve us deeply..." which I compared to being a defense of being "downbeat", that sometimes the only way to actually get a message across is making it shocking and disgusting (like "vomiting up dinner").... that's about it, actually.

Vonnegut... yeah, I can do that. Another thing form Arts 'n Crass (which in case you haven't noticed is one of my favorite episodes). The entire message of the poster was that things aren't as they appeared "the girl is beautiful, and you're initial reaction is to think 'oh what a happy girl'.." but appearances are deceiving, as you see when you see that that beauty has a price, like bulemia. Which ties into Vonnegut in this way: a main thing in all his books is that his "heroes" are people you wouldn't expect to be (Kilgore Trout, Billy Pilgrim, etc...) and the people who seem to be successful (i.e. Dwayne Hoover) really aren't.

OK I'll return to my stupor now, not that I left...

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Paul gate wrote in message ...

Sounds highly credible. Of course, it doesn't matter if his glasses have steamed up once he's...

...fallen in the water!

(With apologies to non-Goon-aware readers who wonder what the hell we're on about).

Martin.

paperpusher wrote:

Thanks for that, Rich! I'll put in some spoiler space too, even though I snipped the actual spoiler.

<spoiler space>

<snipped bits about 2 season 3 episodes>

I got contacts yesterday. I haven't had any problems with them other than not being very good at putting them in. They just turn inside out, it's so annoying! They aren't as good as glasses, but at least you don't have to clean them every time it rains. They made them to my previous prescription by accident, though, so I should get better ones next month.

Alli

I had glasses since i was two years old. it sucked. then when i was about 13 i got contacts.. they were definately differnt, but not really better. then after awhile i stopped wearing them all together.. i haven't worn them for about 3 years now. so, i suffered through glasses since i was two, and now i'm free again. funny thing is, my brother's eyesight just keeps getting worse and worse.. heh. oh, well.

On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 09:01:26 GMT, [email] (paperpusher) wrote:

Hey! A fellow fencer! I do, a bit. I'm taking the class at Fresno State University, and am planning on joining the club. :)

[email] (Tarvok) wrote:

Yeah, I enjoy fencing-- it's the perfect sport for those of us who feel misanthropic at times. ;-) My favorite stress-reliever was to put the face of someone I was mad at on my opponent's mask (in my mind, of course)-- it really gave me an incentive to be a little more aggressive in my fencing. I mostly fence foil (but I hate foil-- mostly becaus I suck at it <g>), but I've been switching over to sabre of late (although I haven't been in the Salle for a few months) -- yes, it's not quite as controlled as foil, but for some reason I get more satisfaction out of it. (And yes, I know what they say about sabre fencers. <g>)

Club fencing is a lot of fun, BTW. I did it while I took the beginner and intermediate classes when I was at UNC. It's a great way to practice and also to meet interesting people-- you get an odd assortment of people in fencing... but mostly the people I've met are very intelligent folks with a taste for the unusual.

Hmmm, that makes three fencers in a.t.d. now-- I think I see a trend emerging. ;-) Any more fencers? De-lurk!

rich.

Mr. O'Neill: Let's pledge to make Daria's dream a reality!

Daria: You mean the one where people walking down the street burst into flames?

Mr. O'Neill: The coffeehouse!

paperpusher wrote:

Is fencing the thing with the swords? I know absolutely nothing about it, sorry, so all this is going right over my head and I can't help feeling a little left out now!

Alli

"endless, nameless" wrote:

Yes, Alli, it's "the thing with the swords." ;-)

rich.

Helen: Bureaucracy is the price we pay for impartiality.

Jake: Jefferson!

Helen: Stalin.

paperpusher wrote:

I want to be a fencer... I've looked all over my area for classes, but there never have been any. Or if there were, they were always for people in the 7-10 set or over 18 people. But I'm going to do it for my college PE requirement next year, so I guess that sort of counts. I can certainly see why it might be popular among Daria fans... while I know a few people in this NG are sports fans, I'm willing to bet that a reasonable number are not the totally athletic type. Fencing is definitely a workout and a sport, but it's so different from other sorts of sports that it understandably attracts a different crowd.

--J.

"Jessica L." wrote:

To quote Jane, "Ooooh, yeah." Fencing has always attracted an interesting mix of people-- it's a highly individualistic sport, so it attracts a lot of very individualistic people. I'll admit that it isn't always the greatest spectator sport for non-fencers, but that's mostly because the action occurs *so* quickly.

You'll also be pleased to know that Fencing has one of the lowest injury rates of any sport on Earth. The last tournament fatality happened about 10-15 years ago, IIRC, and that was before maraging steel blades and kevlar plastrons (an undergarment) were required. (Maraging steel blades break off into a flat point, rather than shearing off into a very sharp point as regular steel blades will when they break.)

rich.

Jane: Do the names Beavis and Butt-Head ring a bell?

Daria: Ding-Dork.

<delurking>

I took fencing last year here at school. It was a lot of fun, really great stress relief, and yet very little practical use. Now I mainly do Tae Kwon Doe. At least it's a bit more relevant to my life. If I get attacked by some goon in one of those dark alleys, I suspect I'm better off kicking and punching than if I tried to challenge him to a duel.

Ann

Actually I made a fence once. We had to build it from scratch on this moor, hammering huge posts into the ground and then connecting them together with this wire grid stuff. Not one of my most interesting experiences really, and too much like hard work.

-Shez.

I painted a fence once with the youth group at my first ex-church...

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[email] wrote:

Yeah, it's true that fencing isn't extremely practical, but sometimes it's fun to leatn something impractical. But for self-defense, I've been learning Aikido for a little while now. I get a lot of satisfaction out of it as well. It's all a question of what works for you. The main reason I like Aikido, though, is the total lack of competitions-- you improve at your own pace, and the only victories are ones over yourself. It's a zen thing, I guess, but it also helps to forestall the feelings of ill-will that can develop in overcompetitive atmospheres.

rich.

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In article , [email] wrote:

Yeah, I can understand trying to avoid the overcompetitiveness of some sports. I don't really like that much either. The class I take isn't into the competitions and stuff. Actually, I suspect we'd all get creamed if we entered those competitions. We spar, of course, but it's more like good-natured fights between friends than all-out grudge matches.

Ann

[email] wrote:

True. You're not likely to be carrying a foil or sabre around most of the time. Of course, it would be much cooler if you did. As for martial arts, I've heard that many (most?) schools teach stuff that isn't very practical. Of course, the guys from the school will usually tell you it's great, and the ones from other schools will tell you theirs is better, so it's hard to judge.

Eric Stevenson wrote:

What's a foil and what's a sabre? Don't fence, never have fenced, never met anyone who fences, never met anyone who has ever fenced..... :)

I did a martial art of some sort for a while. I can't remember what it was, though. We went to about 8 lessons and then my friends decided that they needed to do more revision and I decided I needed to watch more TV.... I wasn't good at whichever martial art it was anyway. We had to do this warm-up at the beginning of each lesson and I'd get really tired and then they'd try to get us all to do the splits and I haven't been able to do that since I was three, despite the fact I did gymnastics for 6 years. In fact, my inability to do the splits was the only thing stopping me getting badge 1, IIRC. I was on badge 2 for three and a half bloody years!

"endless, nameless" wrote:

Okay, the foil is based on a practice version of a rapier, which is an approximately 1 meter long pointed sword-- it doesn't have an edge, just a point. It's designed to do 1 of 2 things: in foil fencing the object is to rupture a vital organ in the torso of the opponent-- the equivalent of a lethal strike in renaissance times, but still pretty dangerous today (of course, they don't *really* run the opponent through now, unless there's an accident)-- and in epee, a modified foil is used in a simulated bout to draw first blood (such bouts were common when duels to the death were generally banned, and still are common in some German fraternities-- for some reason "dueling scars" are sheik.there) -- the whole body is considered to be a valid target area in epee-- even the big toe-- which is why I *hate* fencnig epee.

Sabre is a single-edged sword, like the kind that most cavalry officers used to wield. (And it's *cavalry*, not calvary. Cavalry comes from the French root word "cheval" for "horse." Calvary is the name of the place where "they nailed some poor guy to a tree just for saying how wonderful it would be if everyone was nice to each other.") The sabre is also a little under a meter long, and sometimes has a very slight curve in the blade. The sabre also has a hand guard that curves up from the pommel (or base) of the grip to cover most of the back of the hand, and to also serve as a surface for deflecting opponents' strikes. In sabre, the valid target area is anything above the waist, hit with either the edge or point of the weapon. The idea behind making the waist-up target area was that a strike below the waist could injure the horse your opponent was riding, and you didn't want to do that in the good old days-- horses were very useful back then-- and, besides, a blow below the waist wouldn't be as likely to kill/maim/injure/whatever as a blow above the waist. (No double entendre intended there.)

My experience with martial arts has been that while you can do it for the self-defense aspects, it's really more of a self-discipline thing for me. In Aikido, I find that oftentimes I'm tired or sore and I don't feel like continuing with the class, but I find that if I can just push on I feel a whole lot better when it's over. Of course, I am not advocating continuing when you have a real injury, but when, say, you're still a little bruised and tired from taking a lot of falls, if you can develop the ability to continuously go down deeper and keep going, it'll make life a little easier when you really need to go a little deeper.

As for the argument of which is best in a self-defense situation, that's a very tired argument that IMHO has no right answer. It's all a question of what works for you. Some people prefer a linear style, some a non-linear style. I prefer the non-linear, circular style of Aikido, as it tends to confuse would-be attackers. What I enjoy about Aikido class is that you partner up to practice techniques, and each person trades off being attacker and defender, so no one is shorted, and the work (for lack of a better word) is spread equally. :-) The other thing I like about it is that it doesn't require a whole lot of upper body strength or insane levels of flexibility-- it can be taught to anyone from 8 to 80-- and it relies on a few very basic techniques, which, I'm told, only take about 40 years to get right. :-)

Splits, huh? I'm guessing it was Tae Kwon Do, as you need a lot of flexibility to get those kicks up high, but I could be wrong-- it could be anything.

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"Woooo, what a racket!" -- General Buck Conroy, Publisher, Brutal Mercenary Magazine.

Daria won't be Valedictorian. Jody's had that sewn up since roughly 4th grade (she has the extracurriculars). Daria will be (reluctantly) given the Salutatorian position.

Hmmm. Doesn't the Salutatorian get to write the class prophecy? Now that's something worth waiting for ....

I'd like to see Daria hang around for ten or twelve seasons, and take her through college. It would be better acted than Felicity, and just as funny (though with even less sex).

Martin J. Pollard wrote in message ...

On Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:21:39 -0600, "Chris McCubbin" wrote:

Valedictorian, salutatorian... either way, as long as she gets to make one of her classic speeches in front of the whole school. :-)

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Chris McCubbin wrote:

I dunno. At my school, at least, extracurricular activities have nothing to do with Valedictorian positions. It is simply who has the highest GPA in the class. Although Jodie strikes me more as the type who would take all AP classes, thereby raising her GPA considerably, while Daria would be happy with perhaps a few honors classes-- but certainly not all. Heh... the person with the highest GPA in my class right now, though, has something like a 4.85 or something; plus she's on class council, plays vollyball, etc. So it IS possible.

--J.

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At my high school they had tryouts for both of the speaking roles at graduation. You just had to be in the top 10% of the class to tryout.

Another question: Jessica, Did you have a different GPA scale? If not, how can your GPA go above 4.0?

Mike Quinn I can be reached through e-mail at: [email]

[email] writes:

OK I give in, what's are Valedictorians, Salutatorians and GPA?

-Shez.

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GPA is Grade Point Average...the average of all your grades in all your classes, with a 4.0 being an A, 3.0 a B, 2.0 a C, etc. If you had two Bs and three As, you'd have a GPA of 3.6. The person with the highest GPA in their graduating class is the valedictorian. Second place is the saludatorian...I think.

[email] wrote:

At my high school, they weren't too strict about that stuff. Anyone with a 4.0 was a valedictorian. We had at least three in my graduating class. There were salutatorians, too, but I don't know how they determined that.

Shez wrote:

Valedictorian and Salutatorian are traditionally the two students from the graduating class of a High School (and sometimes a college) who are chosen based on academic excellence. (Although some schools use different standards.) In my experience, the Val. is usually (although not always) the person with the highest overall GPA during his/her entire time in HS. (Grade point average-- I'll explain in a minute.) The Sal. is usually the #2 ranking student. (I think #3 gets a year's supply of Turle Wax as a consolation prize <g>.) Anyway, the Val and Sal both get to make a little speech at graduation. Ok, now on to issues even murkier than the Cartoon Polls <g>-- GPA.

Ok, in most US schools, grade are awarded in each class you take either every quarter or every semester. The grades are usually based on tests, papers, quizzes, and other pointless assignments. At the end of the quarter/semester/whatever, grades are posted usually using the following scale: A/A- Excellent work. B+/B/B- Very Good Work. C+/C/C- Average Work. D+/D/D- You just *barely* passed by the skin of your teeth, Beavis. F - Failing. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200. (or pounds. whatever.)

Still with me? Good.

Okay, now, based on these grades, a rating referred to as grade points are awarded. The scale commonly used is one in which A=4.0, A-=3.7 (or 3.67), B+= 3.3 (or 3.34), B=3.0, etc., etc. By averaging all of the grade points awarded, you get the dreaded GPA. Now, here's where it gets even murkier....

For certain classes, like Honors or Advanced Placement (which are classes for which you can get college credit after taking a national exam), or sometimes just plain old Advanced classes (classes for those who don't *quite* qualify for Honors ot AP classes, you'll be awarded an *extra* Grade Point, regardless of your *actual* grade in the class. So, someone with an A in AP Chemistry gets *5* grade points, while the guy who lost a thumb in woodshop will only get 2 grade points for his C (which he got when his stupid shoe trees weren't submitted on time.) This kind of grade inflation assures that only the smart kids will wind up on the podium, and none of the stoners will go up there and yell something like "Ozzy Rules!"

It's all a racket. You can only win if you play by *their* rules. For example, if you participate in any sort of artistic pursuits, like, say, art or music, or, hell, even welding, you're screwed. Only the hardcore students who take nothing but AP/Honors/Advanced levels in *everything* have a legitimate shot at Val/Sal, which explains why most HS graduation ceremonies are to be endured, rather than savored.

Now, like Mr. Jaggers, I feel as though I need to wash my hands, as I feel dirty. The *bad* kind of dirty.

rich.

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Helen: Stalin.

On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:32:34 +0000, Shez wrote:

Valedictorians are the highest GPA in the class. Salutatorians, I believe, are second.

GPA stands for Grade Point Average.

It is either on a 4 point or 5 point scale.

An A is worth 5 points A B is worth 4 C=3 D=2 E (Passing due to effort)=1 F=0

OR

a=4 b=3 c=2 d=1

Only "solid" classes are counted, usually. Non-solid would be like PE or Driver's Ed. Generally, it's counted by semester grades.

Therefore, I would argue that Daria has every bit as much of a shot at Valedictorian as Jodie, since EC's aren't counted. Unless she lost some sort of grade on principle.

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Maybe Daria is finaly undergoign Driver's Ed. Would give us the chance to see a new Teacher ,as well as her feeligns about him/her. Perhapse she could make a joke, when he insults her driving, and she gets sent to the psycolost of the school, or Mr. O'neal, to speka aobut it, beucase they took her seriosuly. Sorry...jsut related what happened to me ocne. it woudl be HILARIOUS is done right though ;)

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