I've been busy trying to catch up with the Daria univers (I'm having
enough trouble catching up with my own!), and I've been reading the
transcripts of the episodes I've missed out on -- about half of season
one (I've bought the two Daria videos so I've seen the first seven
episodes) and the first few of season two. I've also downloaded the
clips from the Cyber Daria site and had a look at them.
And that's where the confusion started.
In a clip from "I don't", there a scene where one of the wedding
characters (it might even be Erin) says something like, "It may rain out
there, but in here the sun'll be shinin'", and Daria responds by saying
"We are now entering hell. Please keep your hands and elbows inside the
car" to Quinn. (I think the filename is "idont.mov".) But when I look
at the transcript of the episode, I can't find Erin's line anywhere --
only Daria's.
So, the question begs to be asked. Are there different
"versions" of Daria episodes going around, or have the file creators
"doctored" the MOV file, or are the transcripts wrong?
Bill.
"We are now entering hell. Please keep your hands and elbows inside the car." -- Daria
ummm...errr..I don't think Erin said that--I believe it was one of those hickey bridesmaids. The files weren't altered, because they say that in the television ep too. What transcript did you check BTW? I would think if it's missing from a transcript it was probably just a mistake. hoping she's helping,
cheryl
p.s.- Does *anyone* know how to get rid of ants, besides spray? They're driving me insane!!!
On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:57:07 GMT, wicka_chick wrote:
HMM in my experience, get those little "ant trap" things. They come in sets of 4, they look like little square or pentagons made of plastic with little holes in them. The ants take the poison out of these things, and take it back to their nest, and then they all die.
It has worked for me on 3 separate occasions in 2 different places. Hope that helps! "Doesn't ANYONE in this town wear pants?" ~Helen, Daria! The Musical
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yes i know that's cruel, and that i'm (generally) against killing animals - even insects - but i'm not against getting someone else to kill a load of insects. ;)
I've tried the boiling water thing before... it works but you have to keep doing it over and over and over... Another thing to try is a mixture of Pinesol/Lysol and water in a spray bottle... it kills them almost immediately...
Marie
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I'll try some of these, the irony is though that I don't know where ant hole is. Someone told me chalk works too, but I wouldn't think it would rid me of them *completely*. Thanks though... "The ants are marching four by four hurrah, hurrah..."
On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 01:47:01 GMT, wicka_chick wrote:
OK, last try here. You get these "ant trap" things, see. I can't remember the exact name of them, but their in the stores next to the bug spray & stuff. They come in little boxes that say ant trap or something. You take them home, and put them on the floor wherever you've seen ants. The ants are attracted to them, take the poison from them, go back to their nests and poison everyone there too. they work great, I assure you!
Ok I'm gonna shut up about the stupid ant traps now.
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On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:42:54 +0100, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from "endless, nameless" , and it said:
I have a wierd facination with bugs. The praying mantis is my favorite, with the dragonfly coming a close second. I'll allow any spider without venom enough to affect a human to live (though I kill black widows on sight). And I like ants. They're fun. The red ones I like at a distance, because you can throw soft bodied bugs into it and watch them rip it to shreads. ;)
The black ones I just like watching. The way our particular ones have adapted to our attempts to get rid of them is ingenious. We took advantage of the line deal, like everyone does, but then we started having problems with these black ants that would just wander around seemingly aimlessly. We couldn't just spray their entry point, since they had several of those.
I think they also managed to gain complete soverignty over our yards. When I was younger, we had red ants in the house every now and them (vicious little bastards). As time passed, we managed to get rid of the reds in the house (though they still had hills in the yard) and the blacks moved in (they don't have hills, they just have these amazingly elaborate underground labrynths, with innumerable entry and exit points). As the years went by, there were fewer and fewer reds, until, for the past few years (at least since five years ago), I haven't seen a single red ant at all. I thank the black ants for this gift, as the black ants don't have the ability to sting a person.
Oh, and I also kill mosquitos on sight, going so far as to chase them around the house mercilessly, and seek them out when I know they're around. ;)
Tell me about it, I've been dealing with ants in the kitchen all summer. Everytime I think I've gotten rid of them, they come back.
Hey! Sim Ant!
I know we need insects to pollinate and other vital things but I really hate most bugs... I let spiders live as long as they stay out of my way (no posionous spiders here), I don't worry about a cricket or two in the house (they're good luck!), and I leave the odd water bug or two alone 'cause they're harmless. The Praying Mantis I leave alone as long as they stay out of my house... I don't think you're allowed to kill them, or at least you weren't allowed to when I was a kid. Any other bug who comes into my house is committing suicide if I see him. The two I hate worse are flies (eck... maggots, though I suspect I'd change my opinion if I was ever stranded in a jungle with festering jungle sores...) and roaches. I never saw a roach until I moved into my first apartment... and I've hated them ever since... I have seen 2-3 of them join up and attack and kill a big waterbug or a cricket... They probably will inherit the earth eventually... they adapt so quickly and can live on dust... and I swear they're getting smarter (probably just my loathing and paranoia). They're the reason that I won't live in apartments anymore and if I ever, ever see one in my house ('cause they can come in in bags of potatoes and paper bags) I would have my house tented so quick... God, I shouldn't have started talking about this, now my skin is crawling...
Marie
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They're good luck until they start chirping loud as HELL in the middle of the night. Then they're very *bad* luck.
Well, here in the South, there's always a problem with roaches. But it's not polite to call them that. Instead, people call them "Palmetto Bugs." Sounds much more genteel that way. (And you have to use the accent, too.) As in, "Oh, dear, it seems like there are a few palmetto bugs in the garage. Oh, well. At least it'll give the cat something to chase." Luckily, no PBs here... yet... but it's inevitable.
That's what they want you to do, you know... they're almost completely immune to the stuff, meanwhile, it's effects on you are uncertain at best.... But if you must kill them all and let God sort 'em out, use a mixture of Boric Acid and Sugar.
Get a cat. My friends have cats, and also very few PBs.
Is it me, or is ATD starting to sound like "Hints from Heloise?" ;-)
rich.
"Woooo, what a racket!" -- General Buck Conroy, Publisher, Brutal Mercenary Magazine.
Everyone I know in Texas calls them "roaches", but that's just Texas. :)
Anyways, the house we used to live in before we moved to this one was infested with those nasty roaches. Here's how we found out...one day I was sitting down to pour ceareal in a nice bowl to eat when I started feeling the contents of the box move. I looked inside and I noticed some black objects in there...then a crowd of roaches came crawling out. I screamed so hard. Dad had to eventually empty out the contents of my bowl and the box of cereal in a plastic grocery bag, tightly close it, then dispose of it quickly in the outside trash bin. We kept all our dry goods in airtight containers from then on. Oh yeah, and I did see the occasional roach come crawling by in the computer room there...on the other side of the house. Here, we thankfully don't have a roach problem...I've only seen three roaches thus far and I've been living here months longer than I lived in our previous house.
But we do have an ant problem here. Ants suck. I've hated ants ever since the time I went to move a piece of shrubbery away from a tombstone at a local cemetery to read the inscription and found my right hand the stomping ground of probably at least 100 fire ants. I still have a couple small bumps from the bites I received then. The only ant I want to see alive is Adam Ant. That is *it*.
(of course you know that at one time Texas was actually another country...I drove past the Texas Embassy in London when I went there...and some Texans claim Texas became a state through illegal actions and is actually still another country...*rolls eyes*)
On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:22:10 -0500, Hallucinating Elvis Lady wrote:
That reminds me of something. Did you know that Bavaria was the only German state that voted against joining the Federal Republic. And I hope that one day we will become a sovereign state. Now that we have the EU we don't need the FRG anymore. MSB
Heh ... I suppose this could be argued. Of course, the original rebellion that created Texas as a nation was of course illegal under Mexican law (not that it hadn't been provoked by Santa Ana); and if we got into the legal status of Texas in the CSA we'd be opening a whole OTHER can of worms, hee hee hee ...
(did you know that for two years, 1863-65, Texas was cut off from Richmond and was effectively its own little Confederacy? And that in the remoter parts of the state, news of the Union victory travelled so slowly that some landowners successfully kept it from their slaves until early 1868, thus effectively getting to keep the slave system over 2 1/2 years after the defeat of the CSA?)
aren't rebellions generally illegal to the country they rebel against? that's why they're like shooting at each other.
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Indeed. My point was that we shouldn't worry too hard about the legality of annexing Texas as an independent nation when the Mexicans probably have a different opinion about the legality of Texas becoming an independent nation to begin with. And when you add in Texas' secession from and forcible reuniting with the USA, it all gets pretty murky :)
That won't help me. Everyone in my house except me is violently allergic to cats. I have to buy a box of Benadryl every time we visit my brother-in-law. Then again, I've never had a cockroach in the house. Or at least, I've never seen one. Spiders, yes. "Large-bodied Cellar Spiders" (that's actually their name, according to the Audubon guide) in the basement, and Yellow Running Spiders upstairs. They bite, so they die. The big problem around here is termites. They don't bite, but they'll do serious structural damage to a wood frame house, which most of the houses around here are. I pay to have someone keep them dead. Generally, if it's got more than four legs, and it's in my house, I remove it if I can, and kill it if I can't. If it's outside, it can live. Except mosquitoes and gnats. And, of course, yellowjackets. If God could have created one less creature, it should have been the yellowjacket. In point of fact the North American Yellowjacket is far more aggressive than the maligned Africanized Honey Bee. So, they die too.
How about "Housekeeping tips from the Lanes". What to do about the family of Raccoons nesting under the bed, the care and maintenence of that red stuff in the refrigerator...
I'm allergic to cats (not much though), and i have a cat.
Biting spiders. Eww. There's lots of moths in my house. I've given up trying to evict the smaller ones, but the large ones have to go. It's my mother leaving all the doors and windows open, because it's "too hot", apparently.
Seems reasonably sensible.
I don't go outside. This solves the problem entirely. ;)
It's a wasp, I think, or some other flying, stinging type animal.
and I'm telling you people, go to the store, by the "ant bait" thingies. The ants take the poison back to their nest, and it kills them all. I have successfully cleared an apartment and my house of ants on 3 separate occations. It really works!
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It's a big, yellow, angry hornet that loves to annoy you at picnics. Particularly if you happen to be sipping a soda, or eating a plum, or happen to be involved with *any* foodstuff that's sweet and sticky. Heaven forbid you should be camped in a grove of Eucalyptus trees.
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It's a kind of hornet. They live in nests in the ground or in walls, and many times, colonies can consist of several hundred nasty, stinging, aggressive individuals. Unlike honeybees, they don't lose their stingers when they sting, so any one of them can sting you several times. They're also one of the few kinds of hymenoptera that are truly aggressive. They will go out of their way just to sting you. Anything that ventures near their nest is apt to be attacked by a swarm. I read somewhere that the only kind of bee that's more aggressive is the Australian Sandhill Hornet, which looks identical to the North American Yellowjacket. (And how did Austraila get to be so lucky as to have the nastiest or deadliest example of virtually every kind of nasty or deadly critter on the planet?)
Anyway, though they're nasty, the yellowjacket is not usually deadly. Most people will have a worse reaction to a single honeybee sting than to multiple yellowjacket stings. This is because honeybees feed on plant nectars and carry pollen, while yellowjackets feed on decaying plant and animal material. The proteins produced are less likely to cause adverse reactions in humans.
Hmm...I always thought that the Amazon basin had the most awful, nasty and
deadly creatures. Apart from the piranhas and the mosquitoes that carry malaria
and yellow fever, there are also freshwater stingrays and a little inch-long
white catfish called the Candiru. I don't even want to tell you how those evil
little buggers get to you. Suffice to say, it's not pretty; quite nasty,
actually.
BTW, ever see the movie "Aguirre: The Wrath Of God"? Watch out for those
monkeys! ;-{)>
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Naah. The most poisonous snakes, spiders, jellyfish, octopi, etc, etc. are all native to Australia and its costal waters. The Amazon is as safe as your living room by comaprison.
Yeah, I've heard about them. As long as you don't do something your mother told you not to do anyway, you're pretty safe from them.
Sorry, missed that one. Well, actually, I guess I don't miss it at all.
I've desperate to get a cat for years. But my mum always says: "Who would look after it when we go on holiday?". I'd suggest my dad, but she believes he'd eat it, or something. They don't get on :P
I've got two of them in my house now... chirping to each other from across the room... I'm hoping they find their way out the same way they found their way in... I don't mind their noise so much... it drowns out all the other creaks and groans and bumps in the dark-filled night... ;)
I find this news horrible... I've been debating wheether to go north or south when I leave this state (which is inevitable, the way things are here) and North Carolina was one of my top picks, but I think I'll have to rethink it now... I could not, no way, live with roaches ever again, maybe it's my paranoia showing, but they're the most intelligent bugs I've ever seen... I've seen too many horror-bug movies, I think...
Anyone know what the bug situation is in, say, Maine? ;)
Doesn't work, not for long, anyway... They are way too adaptable... They'll probably become the most dominant creatures on earth after we humans finally succeed in our own extinction... I'm just glad I won't be around to see it... They best way, I've found, to get rid of them is to use a poison you never have before... and then move... that's how I did it anyway.
I read this story once about this girl who moved to NY and discovered roaches and ended up becoming telepathic with them or something... She became like their queen or something, had them kill people and stuff... in the end, they ate her, I think... I've never been able to forget the images it provoked...
Unfortunately, I am so allergic to cats they can kill me... but the upside to this is that if I ever decide to commit suicide, I have a non-traditional option open to me... Of course, I plan on living forever... or at least until the bugs take over the planet... ;)
Marie
"They sicken of the calm who know the storm." -Dorothy Parker
there's also a bit of a country west of you, as much as I know you East Coast people like to deny that. Or at least that there's any civilization and we aren't all mass murdering white trash people on farms who never shower and drink lots of cheap beer and shoot a few deer every day.. and a few people every once in a while on account of, y'know, I have a gun, I should go shoot that guy...
Sorry. That's the impression I've got of what people in New Jersey think of Michigan.
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Only Michigan? I got the impression (after living in NJ for a few years) that most people in NJ had that opinion of North Carolina. I can understand having that opinion of South Carolina, but North Carolina? Never. ;-)
rich, who showered today, and didn't get a chance to shoot anything.
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Michigan? The Carolinas? I thought that was Tennessee... I used to go with a guy from there and except for the shower-thing that described him pretty closely. ;) I've never been to Michigan but a close friend of mine is from there so I never thought negatively about it. I have spent time in North Carolina and loved it down there, though. As for leaving the East Coast, I want to avoid that... I like living near the Atlantic Ocean... I like to sit on the dunes and watch the storms come in...
Marie
"Beauty, more than bitterness Makes the heart break." -Sara Teasdale
but there's like salt in that water. eww. salt. hair.
I was just spoiled by Lake Michigan, a significantly Large Body of Water. It looks like the ocean except the waves aren't generally as big (you can swim in it). And there's no salt! It's great!
We have dunes, too. Lots of dunes. And storms. Because of the lake. But the lake also warms us in the winter (since it's "only" freezing, which is warmer than Chicago in January) and cools in the summer (since it's not as quick to heat up). That makes Michigan more like England weatherwise.
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Aww, c'mon now, it's good to get a little salt in your hair! See, that way, you don't have to use gel to get it to, uh, well, do stuff. And that lovely sulfur smell in the drinking water! Yum! Man, I want to go to the beach right now and chug some of that delicious water!
Okay, okay, so the drinking water's icky, the salt makes your hair a mess, and even after 3 showers in one day, you still feel like there's an invisible layer of funk on you. I still love the Atlantic Ocean. I love the big waves as they crash on the shore. I love the sighing sound the make as they retreat back to the ocean. I love the clean smell of the air. I love the strong breezes. I love staring at the ocean, and contemplating its immensity.
I'm easily amused. So?
Okay, one thing I DON'T like are hurricanes. Talk about yer pains in the butt...they're #1 in my book.
Here's hoping that Irony doesn't decide to strike and have Floyd hit us. *sigh* It would figure, though. He's probably searching for Mayberry as we speak. (And for the record, there is no Mayberry, NC.)
You swim in Lake Michigan??? You are a very brave woman.
rich.
Jake: Who do you want in an emergency? Superman, or your *damn inner child?*
Errm... .why? It's pretty clean and warm if it's been about 90 for a week. Occasionally there's dead fish around the beginning of the season (little things...) but that's about all in terms of grossness.
One of the lakes is supposedly dirty... I think it's Erie. And Superior is just freezing. Of course I don't expect East-coasters to tell these apart I guess, since they all think I live in Detroit, anyway.
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Hm. I lived in Schaumburg, IL briefly as a wee tyke, and I remember that my parents wouldn't even consider letting us swim in Lake Michigan. I always assumed that it was because of mercury or dioxin or radiation or something. *shrug* Then again, that was 20 years ago. (Yes, we moved around a lot, but you knew that already, right?)
You don't? ;-) Well, then you live in Ann Arbor, right? (Grins, ducks and runs.)
Well, looks like Floyd is going to make Category 3 soon, and I bet it makes Category 4 before it makes landfall. Jerk. Here's hoping he misses everyone, cuz he could *really* screw things up 'round here. *Sigh*
checking my hurricane box, rich.
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:15:28 GMT, [email] (paperpusher) wrote:
Well, of *course* he's a raging fury... Opie and his friends broke his barber pole!
Martin
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Yeah, well, he's really pissed now. He's a Category 4, with max *sustained* winds of 145 MPH, a central pressure of 931MB (which is *very* low-- lower than Hugo when he hit Charleston) and he's still strengthening. (The conditions are perfect for strengthening, too.) This looks to be a *very* nasty storm-- maybe even worse than Andrew, since Floyd is bigger, too. (Andrew, BTW, was only a Category 4.) Floyd may actually make landfall as a 5. Scary shit, boys and grrls... if you live along the SE coast (Fla and Ga especially), you best get your stuff together... and there's TS Gert building off of the Lesser Antilles already. Figures.
Hey, Marie-- still want to move to NC? It's ranks second in hurricanes that make landfall only to Florida. The upside is that we don't get much snow, though, and there are no Devils to worry about, just Hurricanes. ;-) (Couldn't resist an NHL ref.)
No, I don't think I want to move to NC antmore... I still think it's beautiful country so maybe I'll have a vacation home there when I get rich and famous... And can afford an really, really good exterminator... :) I like the snow... it doesn't snow enough here... I think Christmases should be white... but they rarely are around here anymore... (sighs and pouts) Is it just me or doesn't it seem like it snowed alot more when we were all kids...
Marie
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No, she wants to move to Michigan :) lots of snow, no hurricanes.
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Aaaaaactually... Michigan does get hurricanes. I go back there alot to see family, and my mom lived ther until age 17. So I do believe they have hurricanes.
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:01:21 GMT, wicka_chick wrote:
Uh, Cheryl? In the 33 years I've lived in Michigan, we have never had a single hurricane. We're too far inland, for one thing. Plus, the Great Lakes just aren't large enough to spawn 'em. :-)
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Speaking for San Antonians, I remember us having a tornado back around the late '80s that was rather destructive and caused this statue in front of Mom's workplace (of Audie Murphy...she works for the VA Hospital) to be moved from its fixed place on a shaped concrete slab onto its side on some bushes. Thankfully no one from my neighborhood had anything to worry about as far as that was concerned as it didn't even come close to us.
Diane, whose message may or may not make sense as she's supersleepy now
Right. They're not warm enough, either. I don't think my grandmother, who has lived in Michigan for 92 years remembers any hurricanes either.
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On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:32:01 GMT, wicka_chick wrote:
Just call me the Great Big Cuddly Bear of a Welcoming Commitee. :-)
Perhaps you confused "hurricane" with "tornado"? We *do* tend to get tornadoes here from time to time, a not-uncommon occurrence for the Midwestern United States.
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I've never really belonged anywhere before. And you people are so cool I feel like "wow, I could never be like that". I don't know where I stand here. I haven't gotten my weekly progress report...
Hiya Cheryl! How's your afternoon Cheryl? Are you fine Cheryl girl? ;)
Of course you belong. After many seconds of thinking I've found out that if one doesn't belong on this newsgroup, one will most definitely know. This isn't the type of place where one is secretly shut out, as is the case with virtually every single other place I've frequented online. Which is one of the things I really like about this place. Of course, another thing is that a lot of you out there are really genuine and kind.
Even after the "F" I received in the determination of hurrianes and tornados? (shoulda studied...) That reminds me of one of my fave D lines from Quinn:
"But that's what you said last time I cut- er forgot where my math class was"
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Just in case anyone is still interested in this topic, hurricanes on the great lakes, I was just noticing these lines from Gordon Lightfoot's, "The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald":
Dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait
when the gales of November came slashin'.
When afternoon came it was freezing rain
in the face of an hurricane west wind.
Didn't the Edmund Fitzgerald sink way up north? In that case the water's waay too cold for a hurricane.
I'm hoping this is metaphorical and not another lyric to add to the "Do Your Research Before Writing Your Song, Please" Archive. Like the song uuh "Cherokee Nation" has a line "the beads we once made by hand are now made in Japan". Newslash! Natives never made those beads we see in their beadwork. They got them from trading with the French.
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I forget the details, but the Edmund Fitzgerald was a really big Lakes freighter, very long and thin to fit through the locks, and a sudden winter storm literally tore her in half. With the loss of her crew. I think this was in the 1960's. I forget which Lake it was on.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man, as we know him, is a poor creature; but he is halfway between an ape and a god and he is travelling in the right direction." (Dean William R. Inge)
I suspect the line refers to hurricane-force winds, >74 MPH, rather than an actual tropical cyclonic storm. I thought I'd mention it for Cheryl's benefit since she had been chided for saying they got hurricanes up north. Winds of such speed are sometimes loosely referred to as hurricane winds (or hurricane-force winds) even if they're not cyclonic. And, as the wreck illustrates, they're no less destructive.
And of course let's not forget artistic license. "Hurricane" may have had just the right number of syllables.
Yes, of course the line is metaphorical. Believe me, Lightfoot knew all about the weather there even before the shipwreck, having sailed and canoed on many waterways in Canada. Everything in the song (except for what people said, of course) is accurate, based on what was known at the time.
The Edmund Fitzgerald went down on November 10, 1975. Lightfoot was inspired to write the song after reading the Newsweek article (issue of approx 11/21). He researched it, wrote the song, rehearsed with the band and recorded it in just a matter of days, and they used the very first take for the record. The song remains as a tribute to the ship and to the men who lost their lives that night, and Lightfoot considers it his most significant contribution because the song has touched so many people including the families of the crew.
what's the difference between a hurricane and a tornado? i know there is one, but as we don't have either over here very often, it's not something most people know very much about.
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A hurricane is a wide, rotating storm with a large calm area in the center known as an eye. They usually spawn over the ocean, and move slowly towards land. They produce large amounts of rain and wind, and can cause widespread destruction due to their size and relatively slow speeds.
A tornado is a narrow rotating funnel, usually spawned inland from storm fronts under the right weather conditions. They don't last long, but they can in many ways be more destructive than hurricanes due to their intensity (tornado rotations have been clocked at speeds reaching 200 mph). The *amount* of destruction isn't as great as that from a hurricane, since the funnel is narrow and would have to travel over great distances to do an equivalent amount of damage, but it's definitely more thorough.
If you want to see what a tornado can do, rent the movie "Twister" (the one starring Helen Hunt and Bill Paxton). I won't vouch much for the plot (what there is of it), but it does do a very good job of showing just how destructive a tornado can be.
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I agree with most everything Martin and KTrick had to say about tornadoes and hurricanes; however, as a trained Weather Spotter for the National Weather Service I'd like to add a little more info.
Tornadoes are usually spawned on the trailing edge of a supercell thunderstorm. Strong, veering winds in the supercell's environment form horizontal vorticity ("rolls") in the lower portion of the atmosphere under the cell. The thunderstorm's updraft then tilts the "rolls" into vertical orientation and allows the mesocyclone to form. The tornadic circulation develops at mid-levels (around 20,000 feet) where the storm's updraft and mesocyclone are strongest. While this is happening, a rear flank downdraft (RFD) develops at mid-levels near the trailing edge of the storm, dragging the tornado's circulation with it. Rapidly lowering barometric pressure is believed to be the primary means of drawing the rotation down to ground level. Warm, moist air continues to flow into the mesocyclone after touchdown. Once the RFD reaches ground level it begins to wrap around the tornado, creating a gust front which is responsible for some of the damage from tornadoes. The RFD cuts off the inflow to the tornado as it makes its way around, until it completely surrounds it and cuts off the inflow. This is the dissipation stage, where it gragually loses intensity, tilts with height, and goes through a contorted, ropelike appearance before it completely dissipates. Note that not all tornadoes go through the life cycle outlined above; however the majority of them do. The intensity of tornadoes is measured using the Fujita scale, listed here:
Here in the Ohio Valley, we're not trained in hurricanes, but here's my understanding of how they form:
Hurricanes form in low pressure cells over the ocean. They start as normal thunderstorms, but when atmospheric conditions are right, cyclonic rotation starts to develop in these storms; this usually occurs when wind direction at different levels of the storm is different, but the speeds are similar. When the sustained winds in the storm are between 20 and 34 knots, it's classified as a tropical depression. Once it hits 35 knots it's classified as a Tropical Storm and is assigned a name by the National Hurricane Center. Tropical Storms have sustained wind speeds between 35 and 64 knots. Once it hits 65 knots (74mph) it's upgraded to Hurricane status.
Hurricanes are measured using the Saffir-Simpson scale shown here.
As long as a tropical storm system is able to sustain itself from warm updrafts it can strengthen or maintain its intensity. Only when it can't get any warm, moist air will it start to weaken. This usually only occurs once it gets too far to the north, or once it makes landfall. Even then, a strong enough storm can hold together for a long time and move pretty far inland before it finally dissipates completely. Example: Hurricane Camille (1969) made landfall along the Gulf coast. The remnants of the storm came as far north as the Ohio Valley (600 miles inland) before it turned east and finally dissipated.
The majority of hurricane damage comes from the storm surge rather than the winds (though the wind does plenty of damage by itself, especially in the stronger storms). Hurricane force winds can extend over 100 miles from the center, and Tropical Storm force winds can be over 250 miles from the eye, so even if the eye is well offshore it can still do plenty of damage, if it's close enough to land.
If you haven't heard yet, Floyd is expected to make landfall somewhere along the NC/SC coast, probably within the next 24-36 hrs (as of 11am EDT). So if you're still in that area, I'd get out while the gettin' is good.
Tell me about it. Guess how I spent last night? Yep, that's right, driving 150 miles each way to help my sis & her husband evacuate their dog and parrot (Who acts a lot like Chiquito, but I digress)-- lets just say that that was one hell of a sphincter-tightening drive through the first rain bands of Floyd. Dennis was nothing compared to this bastard. I left at 9, and got home around 4AM. :P (And now my car smells like "unhappy bulldog." Blecch.)
Needless to say, if the site doesn't update for the next week or so, or the new fic is unusually delayed, well, you'll know why. (There could be some hurricane force winds 'round here, and if there are, odds are that the power will be down for at least a week, I bet.)
Anywho, now I remember why I wrote that damn hurricane thingy in the first place. :P What a RPITA.
BTW, the local folks are all saying that Floyd should take the eastern edge of the NHS track-- and these are all folks who nailed Dennis, Bonnie, and Fran's tracks pretty well, so it shouldn't be *too* bad here. But it'll still blow. ;-)
getting ready to "hunker down," (right after I make a mad dash to the store-- yes, I'm a masochist)
rich.
p.s.-- somebody let me know if they talk over the credits today, 'kay?
They did. Some idiot telling us to stay tuned for TRL, even though they told us it was up next before the show started and again between the 2nd and 3rd segments, was that enough? NO! of course not, they had to ruin the end credits as well(sigh). He who is hoping they at least let us have clean credits for 312 and 313, but doubting it highly,
*Sigh* It figures. And the first airing showed such promise.
Thanks. Right now, it's just a buttload of rain, with little gusts every now and then. The power's flickered a couple of times, but it hasn't gone out... yet... (knocks on wood.) If this thing passes and we still have power, not only will I be grateful in extremis for my good fortune, but I may even be able to fix the site so that the eps are accurate. If the power goes out, as I have a sick feeling that it will, well, if it looks like the power's going to be out for a few days to a week, I'll cobble something together on the new laptop.
But now I remember the bit about hurricanes that I *hate* -- the waiting. And waiting. And waiting. And the tense feeling you get when the power flickers. You think, "Ohhh, crap. Here it goes." And then it doesn't, and you think, "Fine. Toy with me. See if I care." But you still sit there and wait, tense in the notion that you can be plunged into darkness at any second. It's kind of like waiting for the "bang!" when you shoot a target pistol, only in this case, it doesn't last a millisecond, it lasts for hours. Ah, now, see-- it flickered again, but this time it was only the AC cutting on. But I still flinched. I gotta work on that.
But I'm thankful for one thing-- a satellite dish. I swear, if I have to listen to one more local news report about the weather, I'm gonna scream. Scream, I tell you! Thanks to the boundless mindlessness of DSS, I can avoid thinking... for a while. Then the power will probably desert me, leaving me to the incessant blathering of the local news for the next few days, because that's all you'll get on the radio or on the battery-powered TV. You'll get in-depth analysis of how the hurricane caused the cancellation of the weekly Chatham County Quilter's Association Meeting and Bee. Sorry, but to me the glass is half-empty right now, and the half that's left ain't too tasty.
Size, speed, and location. A hurricane can have a diameter of 200 miles or more. A tornado is generally smaller than 1 mile in diameter. Usually much smaller. Hurricanes have sustained winds in excess of 75MPH. Maximum winds are 150 - 175MPH. Tornadoes have wind speeds in excess of 200MPH, and some have been clocked at over 400MPH. Hurricanes are formed over tropical waters, and have their most devitating effects on costal areas. Tornadoes can form anywere, but are most common, and most destructive, over continental plains. They're both nasty. Tornadoes probably kill more people, but that's only because there are so many more of them.
Here in western Pennsylvania, we're pretty much immune from hurricanes, and get a tornado about once every five years or so. The last one was about a year ago. It passed right through the South Side of Pittsburgh. It was about 100 yards wide, and cut a path about three miles long. Fortunately, it stayed along a ridge where there weren't too many houses, so it only destroyed a couple dozen of them. It blew a train off the tracks, and mowed down a whole bunch of trees, but killed no one, and only injured three.
And here's prayers for anyone who's in the path of Hurricane Floyd right now.
Ah, the bugs aren't *that* bad.... you just have to get used to 'em after a while. But it's a Southern thing, anyway. Did I mention that when I was driving back in the middle of the remnants of TS Dennis, for like a 10 minute period, it actually seemed like it was raining bugs? What a mess. :P And then, naturally, I got caught in one of the stupid rain bands. (The visibility was about as close to -0- as you could get, due to buckets of rain and bug guts.)
Just don't buy a home at the beach-- it's cheaper and less hassle to rent. (Besides, you don't want to watch your Investment sink into the ocean...)
I can't remember ever seeing a White Christmas. Down here, that'd really be a RPITA, anyway. Things shut down here if you even mention the word snow. It's a tradition in NC to run out to the store and buy a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk. No, I don't know why. But all of us natives do it like zombies. I think maybe a famous ancestor must've died from lack of milk and Wonder Bread in a sudden freak snowstorm. ;-)
It did. I blame global warming. ;-) Don't you remember walking to school uphill both ways in snow up to your chin with no shoes on? Kids these days have it so much easier with their fancy "cars" and "busses" and "drug-sniffing dogs."
rich.
Jane: You know, I don't know why people say we have a bad attitude.
That is so horrible... it's like out of an Indiana Jones movie or something... And I've still got this cricket in here chirping away from behind the file cabnet, keeping me company... but all I keep thinking about is whether or not it is laying eggs back there... I'm hoping - not...
Oh I would neber buy right on the beach... I've seen what storms do to them up here, let alone where there's hurricanes... I actually liked the farmed and wooded areas best when I was down there...
I remember there being snow almost evry Christmas when I was a kid... andlot of snow days, too because we did have to walk the five blocks to our schoool... I remember walking there a few times only to find out it was closed... Hell, it snowed often enough that we used to make money in the winter by shoveling people's walks...
lol
Marie
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Don't worry, the chirping cricket definitely *won't* lay eggs. That's 'cause only boy crickets chirp. You need to be worried about all the girl crickets you can't see out there... ;-) Anyway, even then I wouldn't worry too much. As I recall, cricket eggs need a lot of moisture to survive. Unless your carpeting is rather damp they'd probably all die off. The same goes for the parents, too. If you don't have water and/or vegetable matter for them to eat sitting around your floor in the open, those cricket'll be dead in no time at all.
(I used to raise crickets to feed my pet lizards, and I've also kept crickets for pets, so that's how I know all this stuff. In all the years of having crickets, with a few even managing to escape now and then, I never had a problem with them breeding in the house.)
Yep, it's still strengthening. Max sustained winds now at 150, with some gusts at 180 MPH. And the pressure's dropped to 923MB. 6 more MPH in the winds, and it becomes a Category 5, and only 2 of those have made landfall this *century.* (One of those was Gilbert, the other one hit the Keys in the 1930s.) Damn. Somebody's gonna have a *really* shitty week. :P
Don't you mean Camille? Hit the Mississippi Gulf Coast in August 1969 with unofficial sustained winds of 230 mph, a storm surge in excess of 24 feet, and killed over 200 people from Mississippi to Virginia? (Yep, the storms caused torrential flooding from the Gulf Coast to the East Coast.)
I was 6 years old and 150 miles away from the coast in Jackson when it hit, and it was scary as hell. If you watch the old news footage of Camille, you'll see the difference between a category 4 and 5 - Andrew left crushed houses, while Camille left concrete foundations scoured clean by the storm surge. (There's still a few slabs which have been left that way along the coast highway, to remind people what a hurricane can do.)
In Mississippi, we take hurricanes seriously. Everybody else should, too.
Brian
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D'oh! I forgot all about Camille-- I thought she was a 4, but if you say she's a 5, well, that's okay by me. I'm a sufferer of CRS. (Can't Remember Shit.) Okay, 3 category 5s have made landfall this century. (Andrew, Hazel, and Hugo were 4s, BTW, and Fran was a 3.)
Yeah, now that I managed to remember Camille, I remember seeing some of the footage of how it looked like a giant hand had just brushed *everything* away. Andrew was more of a wind-damage storm-- almost like a giant tornado, whereas Camille was more of a "Ocean eats coastline" sort of thing. Come to think of it, I don't remember hearing anything about Andrew's storm surge.
Yep, they're very nasty things. The problem is that many people feel too safe in their houses, and are willing to gamble on storms not hitting them, too. (I wonder if it's some sort of Denial thing.) All I know is that Fran was a picnic compared to what this monster's gonna do. (And if Floyd starts making yummy noises at the NC Coast, I may just leave for TX a few days early... I sure as hell don't want to be here when it hits, and I live 150 miles inland-- I remember the lessons of Hugo and Fran. (Boy, do I remember.) That is *not* an experience I wish to repeat-- it seems to me that you get more wind damage inland, mostly because you don't get the same frequency of storms that keep the wobblier trees from stayin' up. The real headache with 'canes is the aftermath. Nothing sucks more than having to go without power for a week or two, boil your water, and, in some cases, have no sewer service, either. :P
But if I do bug out, I'll remember to throw everything in the fridge out first. ;-)
rich.
BTW, latest on Floyd is Max Sustained Winds at 155 MPH. It's only 1 MPH away from Category 5 status, and the pressure has dropped to 921 MB.
If an F5 tornado is the "finger of God" ('Twister' reference), then a Camille-sized Category 5 hurricane is more like the "hand of God" - actually, it's more like the "Doc Martens' bootheel of God."
We were lucky - if the "hurricane hunter" planes hadn't given us extra warning about the size and strength of Camille, there would have been unbelievable loss of life. As former Harrison County civil defense director Wade Guice (considered the grandfather of modern hurricane preparedness) said, early evacuation was the difference between "surviving and 10,000 gravestones."
Go look at http://nickworld.thesitefights.com/hurri/hist/ - this page has before and after pictures of the Richeliu Apartments, the site of the infamous Camille "hurricane party".
Two people out of 32 at the party survived. One woman survived by floating out of the apartment on a mattress and clinging to a tree until the water went down. (This lady, who understandably keeps a low profile these days, still goes to coastal elementary schools to tell the kids about her foolish mistake - she feels she owes it to God for allowing her to live through it.)
Good luck, dude, as well as everyone else in Floyd's potential path. (Now I've got to call my sister in Tampa to see what her plans are...)
Brian
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Yep, same here. Here's hoping everyone gets through it okay. And I hope your sister keeps an eye on this thing-- it's friggin' huge. It could not make landfall and still mess up the west coast of Florida.
rich.
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Jane: "But I didn't think I'd die there quite so soon."
On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:11:02 GMT, [email] (paperpusher) wrote:
Yes, probably me. If you don't hear from me by this time next week I'm either dead or the insurance company is refusing to replace my wintel syste.....err...umm....Power Mac G4.
So far it looks like my area isn't going to be hit too bad but I'm still going to prepare for the worst and, if I have the time, take singing lessons.
If your in central Florida and you see a depressive corpse wearing steel toe Dr. Martins and clutching a box full of Daria and NewsRadio tapes then that would be me. Enjoy the tapes with my compliments.
Hey, you never know when the weather will make you innapropriately burst into song.
The Rule of Thumb we use is the Jim Cantore Measurement-- the closer he is to your location, the more likely it is that you're about to get the Finger from Ma Nature. (When I was in Wrightsville Beach before Dennis hit, I was in a sub shop, and when we all looked up and saw Jim on the beach reporting for the Weather Channel, everyone said, "Aww, shit!" at the same time. ;-) It's nothing personal against him, mind you, it's just what he represents. :P
Hm... I've never been a looter before, but now that you mention that you have NewsRadio tapes *and* a snappy pair of Docs, I may have to take a little trip... ;-)
On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:42:30 GMT, [email] (paperpusher) wrote:
At least I'll die with my boots on. I don't care what happens to them after that. I'm slim pickings for all but the most discriminating looter. You'll be happy to learn that I'm very anal about labeling my Daria and NR tapes. I also dug up my Kids in the Hall tapes and a tape with some John K. era Ren and Stimpy. It's some good stuff so first come first serve.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I got to meet Jim once, when he was reporting from Covington, KY this past winter about a winter storm that was projected to hit here (which it did, in no uncertain terms) Cool guy, actually. Next time I see him in this area, I'll know we're in trouble. I'd never really thought about it until now.....
Marty Charter Member, Secret Underground Bummer Culture Silver Grove, KY Chapter
Don't know. Maybe not. Then again I've never been close to that part of the country before in my life so I could just be talking for free. Have had experience swimming in the Gulf of Mexico though, when my parents and I would go out to Corpus Christi for minivacations during the summer. One time when I was a little seven year old klutz I fell in a cactus plant outside our motel...it was painful, I still remember Mom and Dad having to take out the -- shoot, what are they? I know the Spanish word for them, "picas" -- and it hurt...and after swimming in the salty water I felt *so* much better. Interesting. It was slightly slimy though.
True, but I stopped watching "Jeopardy" a long time ago. I prefer "Win Ben Stein's Money." It's more entertaining. So maybe I should amend my answer to: That would be cactus needles, Ben. ;-)
rich.
Jane: Usually when I have this dream I'm wearing pink taffeta.
"Spines"? "Thorns"? In any case, it reminds me of earlier this year, when I was down in Mexicali for a music festival. I found out why my friend Peter earned the nickname Cactus Pete...apparently the previous year he stumbled and almost fell into a cactus by the side of the road! I even got to see the offending cactus. OK, so it's a dumb story...they can't all be winners. At least I got to use the word "spines", it comes up so rarely in conversation...but how often is one talking about porcupines or cacti?
MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
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There is trouble in the forest There is unrest with the trees For the maples want more sunlight And the oaks won't hear their pleas
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We have lots of forests. Wherever there isn't a city or a cornfield there are trees. They're pretty cool...
Pretty good. Plus our car insurance rates are a fraction of yours, as is real estate. And there are no car inspections. And we don't really have any shooting sprees, despite having guns. Unless you consider shooting deer a shooting spree.
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Personally, I like guns... I realize this is a particularly un-PC-type thing to say but there it is... ;) Actually, I like most hand-held weapons, not just guns... but in this state you have to promise your first-born to get a license (well, not quite...). Michigan is sounding better and better... What's the bad side? I knew NC got hurricanes and now I know about the bugs... NJ has high taxes, toxic waste, and too many people, and more... what's Michigan got?
Marie
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Michigan gets colder than a well-diggers arse in the klondikes in the wintertime - that's why I got out after 18 years and only go back to visit during the warm months.
Well, that's not a problem for me... I like the cold alot more than the heat... I was considering Maine at one time... Oddly enough, I never go to the beach here (even though I live within a few miles from it), in the summer... The sun's too hot and there are too many summer people... Soon, though, all the vacationers will be gone and we'll have the beaches bach to ourselves... IMO, the fall and spring are the best times to go to the beach...
Marie
"And all the loveliest things there be Come simply, so it seems to me." -Edna St. Vincent Millay
Phoenix has such beautiful weather, in comparison to over where I'm at. The air is so nice and dry and the temperatures don't really get too high. In fact I'd love to have such weather. Of course, unless it was monsoon season (LOL)...heard you guys have TORRENTIAL monsoons in the Phoenix area. I love wet weather but not if it's going to flood out my house. *g*
wet weather but not if it's >going to flood out my house. *g*
It's actually not too bad right now - it did rain yesterday but the weather has been okay lately, if a bit more humid than usual. However, my mom would disagree with you on the "temperatures don't really get too high" statement.
On 11 Sep 1999 18:28:47 GMT, [email] (MarieRoss) wrote:
There are better places than others to live in Michigan during the cold months. Probably the worst place is in the Metro Detroit area (the city and its surrounding Big Three suburban counties -- Wayne, Oakland, and Macomb), where it's not only cold, it's miserable due to the large amounts of traffic and people. Get out from the crush of Suburbia, though, and it's *very* nice, though you do have to contend with the increasing lack of public services the further out you go. So, it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. :-)
(Yep, I live in the Metro Detroit area. Specifically, Royal Oak, a small city just a few miles north of the Detroit border, past the Eight Mile Road "dividing line." No, I'm not kidding... a major road is called Eight Mile Road. We have a lot of them, from Five Mile Road in Detroit all the way to 32 Mile Road in St. Clair county. They are, of course, collectively called the "Mile Roads" by the various traffic helicopters that buzz the area during rush hour. <grin> And, of course, they're also referred to by various other names... Big Beaver, McNichols, Metro Parkway, Maple, Wattles. The sad part is, you don't get confused about the whole mess once you've lived here a while. *sigh*)
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LOL...you have not *lived* till you've seen North Texas...I thought South Texas was bad, but then I had to do the Greyhound thing and stopped at least five times between Austin and Dallas (had to...bus wasn't an express)...and I looked outside a lot of the time...anyways, you talk about "hicks" and "hick towns"...I thought Waco was going to be beautiful but it was all just Baylor University and one smallish town that was so run down it made the "little Mexico" sections of San Antonio look quite nice in comparison.
I then finally realized where all the Texan stereotypes came from....
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Heck, what about west Texas? Specifically that stretch of I-10 between San Antonio and El Paso. I used to live in San Antonio and have made that drive several times in both directions. I haven't seen so much nothing since last fall's crop of new TV shows.
First of all, you used to live in San Antonio? What part? I live currently near the Medical Center (Summit - 410 area, I could walk to Wurzbach), but I used to live 1/2 a block away from Edison HS on Santa Monica (y'know, close to San Pedro and Hildebrand). Secondly, I'm sure the El Paso area is full of people much more cultured than the people who I saw in the Dallas area...no offense to any native Dallasites, but it was quite, um, "interesting". Yeah, "interesting".
Unless it's like any old border town (been to four...and am convinced if you've seen one of them you've seen them all).
She who really *has* "danced across the Rio Grande" (even if it was via a bridge over said waterway),
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Actually I've been in San Antonio a bunch of times, courtesy of my uncle. Perhaps you know him? Sam. First visit was in 1978 for basic training at Lackland AFB. Back six months later for technical school. Came back AGAIN in 1984 to be stationed down the road at Kelly AFB, where I worked on Security Hill. I lived right across MIlitary Dr in one of the nearby apartment complexes. Kinda slummy, but close by. I could actually walk from my apartment to my desk faster than some folks could get in from the more distant parking lots. Stayed for two years and then left for Europe. Once I got here in Las Vegas, I used to go back to San Antonio on business about twice a year on buisiness up until I changed jobs last year. May be time for another visit.
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Well, I usually only passed through El Paso or at most stopped for gas, food or a quick 40 winks on my way farther west, so I don't know the town that well.
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FWIW, earlier this year I visited Boscobel House and the Royal Oak - the tree wherein King Charles hid himself. I guess that's what the city's called after.
This bit of useless trivia was brought to you by, Martin.
and you guys like don't plow your streets. idiots. any way you guys can go join Canada? We wouldn't mind now that the Red Wings weren't as good this year.
Dagny
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On 12 Sep 1999 22:18:14 GMT, [email] (Dagny Scott) wrote:
Don't get me started on the stupidities of Detroit city government. :-( At least they do a good job of plowing the streets where I live (Royal Oak).
I wouldn't do that to Canada. :-)
Nah, we got two Stanleys in a row after a 40+ year drought. I figure that's good enough for me.
Martin
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Which of course (along with NY's win) leaves my Blackhawks with the longest championship drought in hockey, to go along with the Cubs championship drought (longest in proffesional sports in North America), and Northwestern's streak of seasons without a bowl win (longest in the big 10)
Kyle, The Manny Alexander of alt.sports.baseball.chicago.cubs
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Hey, you guys have the Bulls...something's got to balance out somewhere.
Except in San Antonio, of course, where nothing balances out at all. OK, so it may be tourist paradise *blech*. What? You think I actually enjoy looking at people wearing khaki shorts and shirts with no sleeves walking around with these ridiculous straw "festive" hats and sipping a margarita while wearing sunglasses and fanning themselves with the other hand? Even though it is extremely funny.... But I digress.
Sounds great then, because I would never live in an urban area again... I prefer to be out in the boondocks... :)
This also, would not be a problem for me... I've been in love with cars all my life... If I can manage to keep a car in this state with it's outrageously-high insurance prices and strict car inspection laws, then I don't forsee any real difficlties in any other state (as far as I know, we're the worst)...
I had to go without a vehicle for about 6 months once and I was miserable... I can't imagine how other people get by without cars... :)
Marie
"If you do not live what you believe, you will believe what you live." -Kanti Gala
Hahahaha, after spending my entire life here in San Antonio I wouldn't wish our summers on the worst of my enemies. In fact I'd much rather prefer freezing winters to our summers, even though during the winter I could very well stick my tongue out at you poor Northerners having to shovel snow and look outside and see the sun shining, feel the 60-degree temperatures, put a sweater on 'cos it's a bit chilly ;).... But the summers kill you. *Driving* here during the summer kills you. My truck doesn't have a good A/C system so it takes a while for it to cool down, so now I can claim I know what it's like to drive around feeling like it's 90 degrees or better out there. Ummm..and I *still* don't get any tans...not even sunburn, even after spending hours in the direct summer sun. And the last time I had heat exhaustion overcome me was when I was 11. But I do know the true meaning behind the word "languid". :)
(p.s.: pardon me if this makes no sense at all...am talking for free because I'm *so* tired and really should be napping instead of doing this...*really* *really* should be napping....)
Diane, who's more than Hallucinating Elvis at this point
Heh ... you should see what me and her brother buy her for her birthdays :)
Bye, Brandon.
Detroit?
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man, as we know him, is a poor creature; but he is halfway between an ape and a god and he is travelling in the right direction." (Dean William R. Inge)
Detroit... and Flint. But if you avoid those you're fine. In West Michigan there are lots of Dutch people with guns and churches some of which put stock quotes on their signs. And storms, rain, snow. Poorly managed road construction. And you have to pump your own gas, although I think that's cheaper here, too.
Dagny
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Could be. Except that Spike hasn't really caught on here. Maybe me and Walter (West Michigan's other Goon fan) are especially affected by the weather culture-wise.
Dagny
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I wouldn't take the opinion of people from one state about another too seriously (especially New Jersey, no offense to any residents of that fine state).
Oh, I know, I'm just havin' fun at the State of New Jersey's expense. Hey, fair's fair. When we moved from NJ back to NC in 7th grade, my "enlightened" classmates in NJ asked me if they had indoor plumbing and electricity in NC. Turns out that we not only had that, we also had cable, which, for some bizarre reason, we didn't have in the town in NJ I moved from. (In fact, they didn't get cable until 1985, and I left in '81. Weird.)
It's funny, though. Whenever my friends from Up North come down and visit, they're all struck by the beauty of this place. ("It's byoo-tee-fulll!") But the next thing out of their mouths is something that can be paraphrased as "But why isn't it more like NJ?" At this point, I'll usually sigh. Some eventually get it, but many don't. Ah, well, such is life. Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got to go move the outhouse over to a new hole, marry my cousin, and slop the hogs. ;-)
ree-uch. (yes, that's how it's properly pronounced 'round hey-yar.)
Daria: "I always knew that I would die in Nowheresville"
Jane: "But I didn't think I'd die there quite so soon."
Hey, Don't judge us all unfairly... :) Since I live here, I'm well-aware of the problems of New Jersey... though I will say that Southern Jersey is a bit better then Northern Jersey... Alot of the extreme south of the state is farmland... And where I live is okay... near the shore, in the Pine Barrens(the largest pine forest in the country)... But then, I purposely avoid the larger towns or cities... So technically, I'm a Piney... which is the equivalent of a hillbilly or redneck in the south... The Pine Barrens is also where the Jersey Devil is supposed to reside... One of the Cthulu Mythos stories (by F Paul Wilson) was also set in the Pine Barrens, not 20 miles from here... It's a strange place...
Marie
"The curtain rises on a vast primitive wasteland, not unlike certain parts of New Jersey." -Woody Allen
Agreed. My parents briefly moved back when my Dad got retransferred back for a year or so, and I must say that Randolph (Near Morristown) is an exception to that rule. The Watchung Mountains are pretty in the wintertime. Now, the first time we lived in NJ, it was in Freehold, in Middle Jersey. It was okay. I went back recently, and it was very strange to see how it had changed. Or, rather, not changed. Weird. Very weird. And everything looked so much smaller, too.
I always thought that North Carolina was the largest pine forest in the country. They grow here like weeds... It's hard to see anything here because of the trees. (Unlike Texas, where my parents live now, where you can see 100 miles in each direction, or so it seems. I've gotten to the point where I've got to see trees-- all that open sky irritates me if it's not near a beach. No, I don't know why.)
I remember going on a Jersey Devil Hunt in 6th grade. We never did find him, although we think he took the bait we set out... yes, that's right, it was Billy from "The Family Circus." We tied him to a tree and covered him in BBQ sauce. When we got back, he was gone, never to be seen again... oh, no, wait, that's just a wish of mine. I keep getting them mixed up... ;-)
rich.
I think he meant the Meadowlands. ;-)
rich.
Jake: I love camping! I love it! ... Has anybody seen my pants?
I grew up in Pennsauken, which is an industrial town bordering Camden(the worst city in south Jersey crime-wise) and right across the river from Philly... It wasn't so bad... I remember I brought a friend over from philly once and he was amazed there were so many trees... He thought our town was down-right pastoral... ;) I moved about 13 yrs ago and everytime I visit my dad it is weird for me, too... so many things have changed from what I remember, but then there'll be unexpected things that turn up exactly as they were when I was a child... I fit kind of disorienting and disturbing...
I don't think I'm wrong about NJ's Pine Barrens being the largest in the country (actually, I believe I was told they were the largest in the world)... Largest continuous pine forest, that is... I chaperoned on a field trip a couple years ago to a cranberry bog and they talked alot about the forest... So I'm getting my info from them... The Pine Barrens here are also state-protected, along with alot of the wetlands...
lol I have read some great horror books about the Jersey devil... some of them very, very scary (and too realistic)... makes driving through the woods, late at night a spine-tingling experience... ;)
Probably... but then, there's so many areas to choose from... especially up north.
Marie
"What mighty battles have I seen and heard waged between the trees and the west wind - an Iliad fought in the fields of air." -Edith M. Thomas
In my opinion it's suburban. And it would be a beautiful place if Camden didn't lie so near.
I think Sweeden has a bigger one, but that's it.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man, as we know him, is a poor creature; but he is halfway between an ape and a god and he is travelling in the right direction." (Dean William R. Inge)
Compared to NY, where you grew up, yes, I guess it is... Unfortunately, it is much changed, for the worst, since I was a child... Big cities, in this state, at least (though I suspect it's true everywhere), have a tendency to go bad and to start speading, like a cancer, eating into the towns near them, spreading their malignancy... (ominous music playing in the background...)
Hmmm, I'm just going by what I was told... It's a small matter of pride around here so I don't think it's false... I believe they said china had the second biggest continuous pine forest, though... But hey, maybe they were wrong...
Marie
"If you do not live what you believe, you will believe what you live." -Kanti Gala
Yes. Funny thing ... the part of the Bronx where I used to live was fairly lightly urbanized compared to, say, Manhattan, downtown Brooklyn, or even the Southern Bronx. But by comparison with most other places I've seen, even most cities, it was pretty densely built up. Compared to Pennsauken, it was virtually a megapolis.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man, as we know him, is a poor creature; but he is halfway between an ape and a god and he is travelling in the right direction." (Dean William R. Inge)
I used to deliver pizza in the Collingswood - Westmont area... You are the first person from SJ I have met on the net and I've been online for a few years... It's a big, big world, I guess... ;)
This is very true, actually... There have been times when people got lost in the Barrens and have never been found... The pine trees in the Barrens are strange... they grow in twisted (and some say - nightmarish) shapes that lend themselves well to horror stories, plus there are the mists that often cover the ground out there at night... traditional trail-blaxing techniques don't always apply, either... for instance, moss grows on any side of the tree that it wants to... There are alot of old abandoned towns out there from the days when they used to mine bog iron and alot of the dirt roads that lead into the forrest have a habit of abruptly ending in the middle of no where... The forest rangers are very strict about permits to hike and hunt and stuff... and only in certain areas... And then there's the air force bace out there... there are some strange rumors about that, too... And, of course, the is. as you said, the Jersey Devil, too... It's a fun place to live if you've got an active imagination... ;)
Marie
"We must select the illusion which appeals to our temperament, and embrace it with passion, if we want to be happy." -Cyril Connolly
The Barrens are an eerie place. I was once riding through them in a (non ATV) car on a dirt road. I got out for a moment. When the car's motor quieted, there wasn't a sound to be heard at all. Not even animals. Very eerie ... in New York, an equivalent stretch of forest would have been full of the sounds of life.
There is talk of a Duck ... but I cannot and MUST not say any more.
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Yes. During the 19th century the bog iron was outcompeted by the new Appalachian iron mines. Then the Barrens towns were linked by a rail network and the towns bypassed by the network died. Finally, in the 1920's and 30's paved roads and automobiles replaced the railroads, and the towns whose only raison d'etre were as whistle stops for the trains died out too. These towns were rarely completely abandoned; the outlying residents continued to live in the vicinity, adding to the strange human population dwelling deep in the woods.
Which may be testing odd experimental aircraft like tilt-winged and VTOL transports.
Even more fun to wander through the woods in. Watch out for the deer ticks though ... they carry Lyme's Disease.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man, as we know him, is a poor creature; but he is halfway between an ape and a god and he is travelling in the right direction." (Dean William R. Inge)
I've heard his minions are everywhere... maybe even here... I'd whisper if I were you...
Oh, you mean the half-crazed, inbred pineys who some say practice strange rituals deep within the forests?
And other things as well, but we're not supposed to talk about that...
Don't forget how the Barrens are hiding a huge force of the "Red Chinese" who are just waiting for the right time to take over... I've never been quite sure what they would want to take over around here...
Yes, another hazard of living in NJ... Of course, if the liberals would just let the hunters CONTROL the deer population, then maybe it wouldn't be so common around here... I had a deer suicide on one of my favorite cars 2 years ago... lots of fun... BTW, there's an innoculation for Lyme disease now...didn't you hear?
Marie
"If you do not live what you believe, you will believe what you live." -Kanti Gala
*whispers* They say that there are signs of the Duck out in the salt marshes. There is talk of a Bridge to Nowhere ... that leads Somewhere ... but not Somewhere you would want to go ...
Wow, I _hope_! :) Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man, as we know him, is a poor creature; but he is halfway between an ape and a god and he is travelling in the right direction." (Dean William R. Inge)
You never know... you might like it... I mean, no, noone would want to go there... I did hear something about there being need of a new sacrifice... perhaps, someone with a sweet-tooth?
Oh that's right you haven't met my relatives yet, have you... Great-Granny Leeds would especially like to meet you out in the dark forest one night...
Marie
"If you do not live what you believe, you will believe what you live." -Kanti Gala
Oh, cool ... I should head out there right now! :)
Ooh, I hear she's quite the devil!
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man, as we know him, is a poor creature; but he is halfway between an ape and a god and he is travelling in the right direction." (Dean William R. Inge)
They probably infiltrated through one of those intercontinental tunnels. I saw a documentary about that once, made in the 1960's. Ok, so it was more of a really cheesy movie :)
Heh ... someone should tell Alley that. (Alley from NJ, not Alli from Britain, who is blameless in this matter).
I should probably get it next time I'm at the doctor's. Think I have a checkup coming later this month. I like wandering through the woods, often in shorts.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man, as we know him, is a poor creature; but he is halfway between an ape and a god and he is travelling in the right direction." (Dean William R. Inge)
I tried. I really tried. She's just convinced the Midwest is inferior by definition to the East Coast. I don't understand how anyone who is willing to eat cows can think there is something wrong with shooting deer. And for the last time WE DON'T HAVE SHOOTING SPREES. Having a gun does not give you an uncontrollable desire to go shoot someone. Really.
Dagny
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Hear hear!! My dad kept three rifles and a .22 revolver in the house for my entire life. And in all that time I can only remember firing the rifles on two occasions: Once to learn how to use them - just shooting cans for target practice, and another time we shot frogs on my grandpa's farm to get some fresh frog legs. To my knowledge, the revolver was never fired at all. I knew where they were, and knew how to load them and how to use them... I wouldn't have hesitated to use them if the situation called for it, but otherwise I had no real desire to handle them at all. When I was in the military, I qualified as an expert marksman on the M-16. Still doesn't mean I wanna go blow someone's head off... I have an aversion to prison, y'know..... (Have you seen what prisoners WEAR?? I wouldn't be caught DEAD in those rags!)
'Nuff said.
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On 12 Sep 1999 04:06:03 GMT, [email] (MarieRoss) wrote:
But the real problem I think is that it is dangerous. I believe it's active immunization meaning they use a live virus so you risk getting the disease from the shots. In my 23 years on earth I have only once had a tick so if you consider the fact that only 1 out of over 100 ticks carries the disease (at least that's the number here, maybe US ticks are more dangerous), the risk of the immunization would be too high for me. But we think about getting our dog immunized since he's much more at risk. MSB
I was kidding about the big needle... just a regular needle... just a pinch... :)
Around here, almost half the population has Lyme Disease... a woman I knew who lived in the woods told me once how everytime she let her dog out into the yard during the summer, she'd end up pulling anywhere from a dozen to fifty tics off of him... The deer population around here is out of control... you can't drive down the wooded or semi-wooded roads at night without seeing them... and they come right into town too... You have to be careful driving at night not to hit them and the stupid things will leap out onto the road _right_ in front of you... sometimes there just is no time to swerve... Anyway, I was thrilled when I learned they had come up with a vaccine... I'll risk the dangers of the vaccine over the eventual probability of a life-time with Lyme disease...
Marie
"If you do not live what you believe, you will believe what you live." -Kanti Gala
"Man, as we know him, is a poor creature; but he is halfway between an ape and a god and he is travelling in the right direction." (Dean William R. Inge)
No kidding, I thought people from New Jersey would be more technologically advanced than that. 'cos I know I've certainly met my share of people from San Antonio on the Internet, which never ceases to amaze me. In fact, one time I was in this chatroom and I started chatting with this one girl...turns out we graduated from the same high school! She in '92, me in '97. Anyways, we both found this pretty amazing, considering how disparate the topic of the chat (guess...and don't be a smartass and say "Really? The Guess clothing company?") was from any sort of discussions hinting at that.
I was surprised, too... Judging by how the connection numbers are always busy, I know there must be alot of Jersey people online... The closest I've ever gotten was meeting people from NY city... Of course I don't count the guys that IM you looking for... I guess, romance... I don't even bother to reply to them anymore... At one time I had a quote on my profile then mentioned Lorena Bobbit but I had to take it off because the _strangest_ people (mostly men but some women) would IM me and say some really... um, interestingly bizarre things... It was a learning experience, for sure... ;)
Marie
"If you do not live what you believe, you will believe what you live." -Kanti Gala
I've gotten quite used to the tree count here. Am completely at peace with the fact that there are no trees in the back or front yards of our house. And am calm about how one long stretch of land will be completely flat and treeless while another long stretch of land will be completely covered with trees. And of course Texas green is nothing like the green of other parts of the country (or world for that matter) -- forget about shimmering dark green, it's yellowish green for us. That is of course when you *can* see green (LOL).
It's all Dark Green here, and I love it that way. I never could get used to that yellowish-green in Texas... it was really more yellow than green, anyway, as the lawn was usually dead by late June. ;-)
rich.
Jane: Usually when I have this dream I'm wearing pink taffeta.
Whatever works for you, I guess... but don't bet on those crickets leaving your nice and comfy house. Especially not before laying some eggs in the carpet. (If you're lucky.) ;-)
Here's a story for you-- a friend of mine who lives here moved here with her husband about, oh, 5 years ao or so. Now, she's from LA, and was completely freaked out by the number of bugs we have here, so it's all relative, I guess. She was absolutely miserable after Fran hit, because you had to open the windows--- the power was out for a week, so no A/C. If you didn't open your windows, you'd croak from the heat. Downside was that every bug in town got in. She was NOT a happy camper. The rest of us were a bit annoyed by the bugs, but pretty much ignored it. We have long, hot summers, and usually mild winters, so therefore, we gots lotsa bugs. You just learn to get used to them, like any background noise.
I will say that I've been living in my townhouse now for almost a year now, and no PBs... knock on wood. I lived in a nice apartment in Durham for a couple of years beforehand, and only 1 or 2 PBs during the whole time. But then again, the management company had the apartments professionally sprayed every 3 months.
That said, of course, right now, I'm fighting these teensy weensy little flying gnats. Blecch. I have no idea where they're coming from, and no idea what they're feeding on (and I've done an anal-retentive sweep of the house, too.) Guess it's time for the glue traps. :P I said we were used to bugs. I didn't say that we liked to have them share our homes with us, though.
I've heard that deer flies get pretty thick in the summer there. Just learn to embrace all of God's little creatures... even the really icky ones. (And stop reading roach horror stories!) ;-)
I'd rather do an either/or thing-- either poison 'em or move. But then again, I'd never let a bug make me move. (Unless, of course, he had a gun. ;-)
The bugs already run the planet. Didn't you get the memo? ;-)
rich.
"Joseph Stalin, grab my armored muu-muu and together we will leave this foul Earth behind." -- Toon-La.
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Oh God! You shouldn't have told me that... In all the years I've let crickets "visit" I never thought of that... I guess I'm going to have to get some cricket posion from my Grandma now (she gets INVADED every summer)...
Well, that usually helps... :)
I don't even like sharing my home with other people, let alone pests.
It's a mark of how well the story was written that I DID finish reading it once I realized what it was about...
_A_ bug, no... an infestation that won't go away (like in a lot of apt. complexes), oh yeah... I know more about their habits then I should... knowledge can be a dangerous thing... there's some topics I'd rather remain ignorant about...
Must've missed it...(It's a conspiracy!) Ok, when's the next shuttle off of this planet?
Marie
"We cannot command Nature except by obeying her." -Francis Bacon
Harmless? Waterbugs are a type of cockroach. You see a couple, there's dozens more where they came from. To quote Darth Sidious: "Wipe them out. ALL of them."
Hey, cockroaches are people too. Well, if they're Gregor Samsa they are.
Dagny
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Yeah, I'm usually on good terms with our insect friends. Except for
daddy-longlegs...I think their sheer size, plus the fact that they have an
erratic flight and their legs seem to fly off at escape velocity probably all
combine to form the reason I freak out whenever I find one in the house. You
know, in Canada they're bigger than an adult male hand? Probably other places
too. We haven't had much problem recently...fortunately the cats love to play
with them until they don't live anymore (also, the dim, yellow porchlight
helps.)
I don't like ants either. We've never had roaches in the house, but we
have had ants (We had weevils once, but I shan't discuss that...) many times,
at times real bad infestations. At times, it mounted to all-out ant war...at
times we had to try and beat the ants to the food! Fortunately, that all seems
to be in the past now.
"Icky! Respected! Icky! Respected!" (10 points)
MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
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i do that too. i justify this by claiming that i have no way of knowing whether that mosquito has malaria or not, so i should kill it anyhow. my dad had malaria once. they gave him quinine. he is allergic to quinine; it produces symptoms identical to that of malaria. how long it took before they stopped giving him quinine for his quinine allergy, i don't know. ;)
On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:04:08 +1000, Bill Harper wrote:
Intrigued by your question, I went and checked out Outpost Daria's site to see if the transcripts were as you said it was. And surprise surprise, it seems Martin missed out on this one. I for one, remember that line from "I Don't" (I should too, considering I watched it numerous times during rerun season). So the answer is: the transcripts were wrong.
I realize Martin gets his transcripts from the closed captioning function his TV has, so it isn't entirely his fault either. Closed captioning screwed up somewhere I think.
It often does, especially on minor details of dialogue. I'm not sure how the captioning system works ... whether a stenog takes the dialogue down off the tape or copies it from a script. If the latter, it's possible that the captioning agency got an earlier version of the script than the version that was made into the episode.
is that why a lot of the transcripts have no commas where they should? I knew Frau would be overwhelmed with a desire to put them in sentence club, although she has plenty of that with teaching a batch of seniors the grammar they should have been taught before if all the other teachers hadn't totally ignored grammar in favor of picture drawing and movie watching. Frau had 5 pages of sentences with errors to teach the kids today-- I say kids, they're my class mostly, but I took College Writing last year to take AP English...
The randomly complaining about the fact that her school's English department is a piece of CRAP,
Dagny
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Probably. Another thing they could use is more stage directions ... they would be a lot more evocative if they showed character expressions, body language, and vocal tones. But I ain't complaining ... I wasn't energetic enough to do them myself.
they
ignored
Sounds like a lot of kids are going to graduate from your high school good at sports, drawing pictures, and being couch potatoes ... and make fools of themselves the moment they have to write anything longer than a short phrase. An important skill ... I kid you not ... in business, and in life in general.
Does this mean that you can skip English 101 in college and go right to the good courses?
On 02 Sep 1999 03:02:54 GMT, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:
I've tried to inject a little more of that into the transcripts I've done myself, but for the most part, I ascribe to the KISS principle. Perhaps I'll go back and spice 'em up a little during The Drought...
Martin
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Pretty much. They have NO BASIC GRAMMAR KNOWLEDGE. Whereas I am annoyingly good at spotting errors, which I did when bored looking at "Back Cash duties" (lots of errors) and there was a comma error on the ketchup dispenser, and my father's directory was missing a LOT of commas.... and a semicolon.
If I do well on the AP English test, which I presume I will. I even managed to miraculously pass the AP Biology test last year. I have no CLUE how that happened....
Dagny
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On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:04:08 +1000, Bill Harper wrote:
It's the transcripts. The ones for "Cafe Disaffecto" through "The New Kid" are from the now-defunct Planet Daria, and were created by hand by its webkeeper, Rowena Stubbs. She did a remarkable job, all things considered, but hand-transcribing is a laborious process, and it's not surprising that mistakes were made. They're inevitable.
By contrast, "Esteemsters," "The Invitation," "College Bored," and all episodes from "Gifted" through the end of the third season were done by me, mostly with the aid of my ATI All-in-Wonder video/TV/capture card. (The ATI Player software has the ability to write Closed Captioned text to a disk file, and since all the episodes are CC'ed, all I needed to do was capture the text and *BAM*... I'm 75% of the way there. The rest consists of editing, spell checking, attributing the lines to each character, and ensuring that the text matches what is actually said [CC isn't 100% accurate; shortcuts are taken, some more severe than others].)
Consequently, the transcripts I've made are guaranteed to be at least 99.44% accurate (I'm not so stupid as to claim 100% accuracy <grin>). I'm in the process of replacing the remaining transcripts with all new, "lemony-fresh" versions, but it's not a fast process, even with the help of the ATI capture software. Patience, young Jedi!
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And what a laborious process it is...simply double checking the CC'd transcripts, attributing the lines and correcting the many spelling and other mistakes seems to take forever...I can't even imagine what it was like for Rowena to have done that by hand. And yeah, the All In Wonder rules - great video/audio capture (no more taping the microphone to the speakers lol)...I just wish I'd waited for an All In Wonder 128...sigh...coulda gotten 16 megs and at least a slow 3rd generation 3d chip rather than a slow 2nd generation one... :p