I knew it.
It has to be a suburb of Houston. Hurricanes, mega malls, rock festivals, prairie and rednecks all within 100 miles. Most people don't have accents, but some do. Extreme racial polarization. Definitely Houston.
Maybe they can all get stuck in Arlen for a King of the Hill crossover.
No, it's not. Doesn't the Daria Diaries mention a 3 day drive when moving from Highland, Texas?
It's nowhere folks, just like Springfield.
On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:16:47 -0500, "Chris McCubbin" wrote:
Kyle He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
In article , Kyle wrote:
Springfield is somewhere in central New York State. Not only is it near NYC, but in one episode a union rep from Batavia (a small city about 45 minutes east of Buffalo) orders food from Marge.
On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:27:48 -0700, Invid Fan wrote:
I'd really like to see some more info on that. With all the efforts the writers put into not showing where springfield is, that seems a tad odd.
My favorite examples: A hollywood producer sees an add that says "flim springfield". He is so impressed by their lack of need for proper spelling, he immediately tells his secretary "Get me plane tickets to that state Springfield is in!"
Principal Skinner "Our school finished worst in Ohio 7 straight years...which is why we tore it down and rebuilt it in this state!"
(Note, these are paraphrases from memory)
Kyle He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
No, it's not.
<sigh>, Here we go.
All radio stations that are west of the mississippi river sart with a K. (This is a fact.) Such as, KBBL, which is a springfield radio station in several episodes of the simpsons. New York State is EAST of the mississippi river, where all radio stations start with a W, such as WLIR. That is why springfield has to be somewhere west of the mississippi river.
Thank you. --- ~Po
CROWDSURFERS WILL BE EJECTED FROM THE BUILDING. It can be harmful, and most of all disrespectful to climb on other people's heads. Crowdsurfing should only be done naked and in the privacy of your own home.
Thank you The Beastie Boys
[email] (CrtoonDude) wrote:
Isn't there a TV station in Philly with the call letters KYW? It's been so long, I've forgotten. There's also a WFAA in Dallas, TX.
(sorry, I couldn't resist.) ;-)
fueling another futile debate, rich.
Max: We're criminales!
paperpusher wrote:
There's also a local radio station here in San Antonio with the call letters WOAI. Sometimes there's a bending of the usual rules.
Well, here's my fuel then...oooh, with all this fuel stock neatly tucked away, you think we'd have enough to keep the villagers warm during the winter? ;)
(doesn't have to be serious) Diane
A TV station and a radio station with those call letters. I believe both were named prior to whatever regulation designated K for the west and W for the east. There is also KDKA in Pittsburgh, I believe. Therefore, you can't really prove where Springfield is based on the radio station.
<All radio stations that are west of the mississippi river sart with a K. (This is a fact.)
tvfan: generally, yes. But there are exceptions. such as KDKA Pittsburgh, Pennyslvania.
<Isn't there a TV station in Philly with the call letters KYW? It's been so long, I've forgotten. There's also a WFAA in Dallas, TX.
tvfan: There sure is. NBC once owned WNBK-TV in Cleveland. NBC forced KYW in Philadelphia into moving KYW to Cleveland, Ohio. because NBC wanted to be in Philadelphia. KYW-TV was very successful in Cleveland, but never wanted to be in Cleveland., and I think they filed a complaint against NBC. Years later, the FCC ordered them to switch the two tv stations back , saying that NBC wasn't allowed to force another tv station to switch like that. So, KYW moved back to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, while the Cleveland station became WKYC-TV 3
.
The very first radio station.......ever! ~giver of useless info.
Springfield is in Oregon. <g> I know, cause I live in bOREgon.
Jess "Morgendorfer" [email]
Daria: With a hey nonny nonny, tra la, tra la.
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On 30 Jul 1999 00:09:13 GMT, [email] (JMStargazr) wrote:
Springfield is also in Illinois.
Kyle He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
And in Massachusetts.
Erin
and Missouri
hmm...maybe they ARE in Massachusetts. After all, it IS the Cranberry State, and the mall is Cranberry Commons...coincidence, or conspiracy...?
Jess "Morgendorfer" [email]
Daria: With a hey nonny nonny, tra la, tra la.
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[email] (JMStargazr) wrote:
when in doubt, call it a conspiracy. ;-)
rich.
Quinn: People are so weird!
Daria: Some are weird. Some are just astonishingly self-centered and deceitful.
On the mountaintop, [email] (JMStargazr) spake thusly:
<pointless con-point>
But it could also be in Tomah, Wisconsin, whre it's cranberry *everything.* I've not seen proof, but I'd bet substantial money there's a "Cranberry Cemetary" somewhere in the area.
-Mindy
"Well bust my legs and call me shorty." -Daria Morgendorffer, "Daria"
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called K-ROCK But...Val says Heartland High Schooler
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river,
springfield
Highland, Texas isn't even a real city according to my atlas. And if it was, Highland, TX could be near the Rio Grande, plus, maybe Daria and her family sleep at hotels during the night. That would make it a three day trip.
Oliver --- "Sometimes I wish I could be you, just so I can be friends with me!" -Angelica Pickles
The Gardeners Prayer: "The kiss of the sun for pardon, the song of the birds for mirth, one is nearer Gods heart in a garden, than anywhere else on earth."
In article , [email] (Oliver Mistletoe) wrote:
[snip]
I tend to agree. It was a very short drive to the Mexico border when The Great Cornholio was deported in one episode of B&B.
Scott
Springfield, Ohio
Geeze, unclench a little, will ya.
Of COURSE Lawndale is nowhere. So what? The name of this game is, If Lawndale were somewhere, where would it be? If the writers wanted to put Lawndale somewhere specific we couldn't even play the game. It'd just be Lawndale MD, or Lawndale TX, or Lawndale IL or whatever. Since it's wide open, let's play with it.
Right now we have the preponderance of compelling evidence I compiled in my first post in favor of a suburb of Houston, vs. an off-hand, highly dubious, open to interpretation remark in an old book.
Anybody else who wants to make the case that Lawndale isn't in Texas (without dodging the question), step right up.
When we get into this debate, all that happens is we all get a ton of evidence that supports the opinion we had before we looked for any evidence, and we all use it. It's like a nuclear war, no one wins.
On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:24:34 -0500, "Chris McCubbin" wrote:
Kyle He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
And this is a bad thing because .... ?
Didn't you see "Wargames"?
*summons 80's computer voice*
The on-ly way to win is not to play.
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:38:46 -0500, "Chris McCubbin" wrote:
Kyle He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
"WarGames"! I love that movie! Matthew Broderick!
Um...*ahem*. LOL, sorry, have a slight little *thing* for "WarGames". But...it's a good movie, no?
Diane
Kyle wrote:
Yeah, it was. The girl wasn't so bad herself.
But the nerdy hacker guy (with the fat hacker friend) kinda hit close to home.
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:56:25 -0500, Diane Aguilar wrote:
Kyle He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
On 30 Jul 1999 16:49:25 GMT, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from [email] (Kyle), and it said:
There's this game I play called Daggerfall. I've never won. I don't expect to anytime soon. I still play. I probably will, not until I win, but until the sequal comes out. ;) Okay, that was pointless.
Personally, I find these debates intellectually stimulating, and invigourating. And the fact that we can have them without degenerating into hate filled flame wars is great! :) It's kind of like fencing. Nobody dies, but it's still fun, and the fencer might actually be able to survive if, through some bizarre course of events, ends up stuck in a situation where someone _will_ die.
On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:24:34 -0500, "Chris McCubbin" wrote:
</clench>
All of which is weighed against the comments of Glenn Eichler himself, who said that he figures Lawndale to be somewhere on the east cost, possibly near Baltimore... right after he said it was "just east of Springfield." :-)
(Source: TOON Magazine #18, "Daria: Success and the Cynical Girl" by Michelle Klein-Hass)
I think this message qualifies. :-)
<clench>
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Anastasia ([email], NOT FabrikM)
If Lawndale is in Texas, are you thinking Freemonet is as well? If so, Lawndale's not... Trent and Jane were from out of state in Freemont, remember?
In article ,
This would sort of fit with Lawndale being near Baltimore and then having Freemont be in Virginia. This would fit the whole southern accents thing (I was in Baltimore for a day trip and some of the people there had slight accents, I would imagine they get more pronounced in Virginia).
On 29 Jul 1999 17:02:46 GMT, [email] (Kyle) wrote:
Sorry, but Springfield is based on a combination of Springfield, Oregon and a couple of the suburbs of Portland, Oregon. Matt Groening grew up in Oregon and several of the charaters are named for streets in Springfield.
As for our beloved Daria, I would truly hate the thought that she is suffering in Texas, but I gotta admit that there appears to be a pretty good argument for being able to find all of the necessary elements. I suppose alternatively, Lawndale could be a suburb of Atlanta or Miami (to meet the other criteria including the three day drive during the move). Possibly A burb of Columbia, SC (which has the added benefit of explaining the lack of mentions of professional athletics even by Kevin -- although his constant wearing of the football uniform, however reminiscent of Garry Trudeau's character "B(rian) D(owling)" it may be, would probably only be acceptable in Texas). The only problem with Columbia is that, from what I've seen, its burbs have a better racial balance than does Lawndale.
Perhaps, ultimately, Lawndale is a combination of two or more real cities, as is Springfield.
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Scott Allan Zakon wrote:
<snip>
Hey bud, only Texans have the right to bash our own state. ;)
I'm, by the way, a Texan. A *big* one. Heh heh, surprise....
Oh yeah, and I'm not suffering here. I might want to move out first chance I get, but it's a cool state and it's made me who I am (which is compulsively helpful and smiley and not the biggest fan of summertime). And Texas is not all that big on football anymore, at least not since Tom Landry's days with the Cowboys. Ever since Jimmy Jones stopped coaching here in Texas, in fact, the focus has been less and less on football and more and more on basketball. Considering the only two non-Bulls teams in the NBA to win championship titles in the '90s are from Texas (Houston twice, S.A. -- yes! -- once), it's logical the next big Texas sport will be b-ball.
Diane
Diane Aguilar wrote:
Not in Dallas. ;-) And for the record, as long as the Rangers have the kind of pitching that they have, there won't be any threat of baseball taking FB's place, either. No, in Dallas, hockey is King right now--- can't forget your Stanley Cup Champion Stars... ;-)
And let me state that there was a collective cringe and groan when the Beloved Cowboys were bought by someone from... Arkansas. The ppl in the Metroplex still grumble about that. ;-)
(Oh, and it's Jimmy Johnson-- not that anyone could tell the difference between him and Jerry Jones, anyway-- except that Johnson can coach, and Jones can't. But they're both from Arkansas, and in Dallas, that's always gonna be held against them. <g> No, I don't know why-- I'm not from Texas-- I've just lived there off and on a lot.)
He who hasn't been to a Cowboys game in a while, rich.
Quinn: People are so weird!
Daria: Some are weird. Some are just astonishingly self-centered and deceitful.
paperpusher wrote:
Oh yeah, Dallas does have a reason to feel passionate about the game of hockey. Then again Dallas always has to be the different one.
I can imagine.
Oh, thanks! Jimmy Johnson -- that's what I meant! Sorry, too many viewings of coverage from Cowboys camp by our local news depts' sports dept. As far as why the backlash because they're from Arkansas is concerned...my guess is that there is a feeling that Arkansas is less civilized than Texas and that if anyone from Arkansas gets involved in a Texas institution (which the Cowboys unfortunately are) then they'd muddy up the institution, defile it, make a mockery of it. Just a simple little guess. I always personally thought people from Arkansas were like people from the northeastern corner and the Panhandle area of Texas.
I've never been to a Cowboys game. Been to plenty of Spurs games, and even attended an Astros game once, but never a Cowboys game.
Diane
Diane Aguilar wrote:
But of course! ;-) Everything's bigger in Dallas. (It's true-- the roads are wider, the chairs are taller, the dogs are even as big as horses!) ;-)
Actually, though, when you cross from SW Ark over into NE Texas, you can notice a subtle change in the vegetation... it's strange... and the folks in Texas seem a lot nicer-- no, I don't know why. And the folks in the Panhandle are entirely different, from my experience, anyway.
Oh, you need to go-- it's such a spectacle. ;-) I was at the one game they won back in the early 90s-- remember? They were 1-15, with that 1 being a home win against the Evil Redskins... Ah, it was glorious. :)
rich.
Tiffany: "Oh, no. Wind, hair."
Everything is bigger except your Stanley Cup parade, which was attended by about 75,000 according to the media reports. Let me know when your hockey parades are attended by a couple MILLION as we had in Philadelphia. If hockey is king in Dallas, then hockey is the one true God in Philadelphia.
Hey, give the Dallasites some credit...no one could even *begin* to skate on ice around here until the invention of refrigeration, around the 1920s or so. You guys have *always* had the chance to skate on ice. And don't forget this is just a recent thing -- I believe 75,000 turning out to root for a team which has historically not had much for it to be rooted for is quite good. Besides, "only" 250,000 people turned out the night the Spurs won the NBA Championship to celebrate in the streets of downtown S.A. -- are you going to tell me *that's* too small a celebration? (oh yeah, and we also celebrate with class -- no major arrests and only two minor arrests for public drunkenness were made that day -- *pppphhhhhhhhtttttttttt* -- [laughs at the irony])
Diane
Jeg7777 wrote:
It's not that cold. You have to go further north to get frozen ponds. There are some ice rinks now for hockey, but most kids just play on the streets or playgrounds.
But how many people attended Cowboys victory parades in the past? I bet it's a lot more than 75,000.
It's a smaller city than Dallas, isn't it? Sounds like a pretty good turnout to me.
Our celebrations have been loud but peaceful, few if any arrests.
In article , [email] wrote:
A lot of things about Philly are loud :)
I don't know this for sure, but isn't about the only place these 'riots' happen Chicago, and only the last couple of times the Bulls won. I mean, unless TV has been lying to me ;)
On Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:52:37 GMT, Mike Quinn wrote:
Damn straight!
Wait till the Cubs win a world series. (For those of you who don't know baseball, the Cubs are the perennial losers of baseball. They have not won a title since 1908, the longest such streak in professional sports). We're tearing down the whole fucking state!
Kyle He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
On the mountaintop, [email] (Kyle) spake thusly:
Which is why I'm glad I live just over the state line - all you looney Illinesians think it means something. =P And don't y'all think you could acheive the same effect by all being on the freeway at once, with no one from out-of-state to yield?
(For the uninformed, Illinois drivers suck. They have a distinct trademark of weaving back and forth between lanes and exceeding the speed limit by at least 40 MPH with a complete disregard for whomever may be in the way.)
-Mindy
"Well bust my legs and call me shorty." -Daria Morgendorffer, "Daria"
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On Thu, 05 Aug 99 21:11:33 GMT, [email] (Mindy) wrote:
Illinoisans is the proper term, for one thing.
Secondly, on which side of the state line are your referring? I've lived on the Iowa border, and I currently live on the Indiana border.
That's not true. Driver's from any town in Illinois over 50,000 people (of which there are about 8) are generally horrible, I'll give you that. But the small town driver's are pretty decent.
If you insist.
Kyle He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
On the mountaintop, [email] (Kyle) spake thusly:
<Quinn voice> What-*ever.*
The Wisconsin side. Right by Chicago. <snip>
Rrrrrrreally? Around Chicago it's all bad, even in the towns where population of both humans and chikins is given at the city limits. <shrug>
-Mindy
"I think I'm a mushroom... I must be a mushroom! Everyone keeps me in the dark and feeds me bulls***!" -Ward Rubrecht
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"Dammit you two! No damn swearing! I'm underage, fuck it all!"--Kyle
Shit! So am I!
Dagny
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"I'm not different for the sake of being different, only for the desperate sake of being myself. I can't join your gang: you'd think I was a phoney and I'd know it." Vivian Stanshall
On the mountaintop, [email] (Dagny Scott) spake thusly:
Fucking fuck, there's a fucking lot of us.
Maybe we should stop; there's priests on this board.
-Mindy
"I think I'm a mushroom... I must be a mushroom! Everyone keeps me in the dark and feeds me bulls***!" -Ward Rubrecht
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Mindy wrote:
LOL. Maybe I shouldn't tell you guys about the fuckfests we had at this one chatroom I used to frequent when I used to use AOL.
(it's not what you think...OK, I'll let you know...a "fuckfest" is a chat where everyone needs to insert at least one "fuck" to each sentence uttered in the chat, and incorporate the word into as many different places as possible. I so wish I had the transcripts of the one I had in the room. But alas, it along with everything else I had on my computer, is gone.)
Diane
On the mountaintop, [email] spake thusly:
We had some fucking psychotic ones at that fucking awesome WCATY fucking thing when we were fucking with D&D, and I fuckin' expect at this fuckin' wild fuckparty I'm going to next fuckin' weekend we're going to have some fuckin' fun ones. I'm gonna stop fuckin' swearing now.
-Mindy "Fuck, man! Fuckin' stop fuckin' swearing, you bitch!"
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Dagny said:
Yes, you're just an itty bitty wittle girl ...
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
do you want to die?
Dagny
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"I'm not different for the sake of being different, only for the desperate sake of being myself. I can't join your gang: you'd think I was a phoney and I'd know it." Vivian Stanshall
On Fri, 6 Aug 1999 01:16:24 -0400, "Bob Ohler" wrote:
Damn straight!
Kyle He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
Dammit, it's MY turn to say Dammit.
<grin>
Jess "Morgendorfer" [email]
Daria: With a hey nonny nonny, tra la, tra la.
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In article , [email] wrote:
They weren't cringing when they won in '92 and '93, they probably would have let them have the governorship.
see above statement
I've never been to a game, either, though i'd love to go. Living in Utica, N.Y. you don't get too many chances to see the Cowboys play, the only game I saw in person was a 10-7 loss at Buffalo during that disaster 6-10 season in '97. Also during the Super Bowl years people wanted us dead for liking them being near Buffalo and all, I had to go out with at least a few friends at the time or else I'd be lynched.
Finally, a couple of Cowboys fans around here, if either of you want to talk about them I'm always open to it, let e know when and where. Been a fan since the "Hail Mary", it was the first highlight from Dallas I remember and it hooked me for life on the Cowboys
(way off topic here) My $0.02, Lawndale is in Virginia, when the band left the state, they could have gone to Tennessee, that would explain the southern accents and the love of country music.
I've ranted enough now, A.J. (How 'bout them Cowboys?)
[email] wrote:
<bunch of stuff about the Beloved 'Boys snipped>
I enjoy talking about FB every now and then, but I get the feeling that it would be sort of out-of-bounds on this particular NG-- other than as an infrequent trip OT. I can say that I've been a Cowboys fan since I was a little cowpoke-- my first NFL memories are of the Cowboys of the early 70s... In my mind, when I think "Coach" I think Tom Landry, and when I think "QB," I think Roger Staubach.
The only problem is that TN is much more mountainous, and there really isn't a desert there...
fueling the debate for the sake of seeing how long the fire burns, rich.
Max: We're criminales!
Not to mention the fact that the Dallas Cowboys organization is, has been, and always will be, the epitome of evil.
[email] wrote:
In the NL. Their evil sister in the AL is the Raiders.
On Thu, 05 Aug 1999 10:04:42 GMT, [email] wrote:
NL and AL are baseball. Football is the NFC and AFC.
Kyle He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
In article , Kyle correctly identified my case of rectal-cranium insertion and pointed out:
DOH!
Okay. I'm ready now. Slap me with a newbie.
Jeg7777 wrote:
Well, we can agree to disagree right after I mention the Bounty Bowl. ;-) To-MAY-to, tuh-MA-toe.
rich.
Jane: You know, I don't know why people say we have a bad attitude.
Daria: Screw 'em.
In article , [email] wrote:
Shall we disciss this somewhere else, gentlemen? (How bout them Cowboys?!) A.J.
On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:44:52 GMT, [email] (Scott Allan Zakon) wrote:
Except for the existence of Middleton College, which was founded in 1776 and is most definitely a Colonial-era school. Not many of those in the Lone Star State... in fact, the number probably hovers around 0. :-) Given its obvious proximity, it quite effectively rules out Texas as being the home state of Daria's Lawndale.
They fit some of the other criteria, but they don't meet the Middleton criteria.
Now, Lawndale being a suburb of Baltimore or D.C. fits much better... eastern seaboard, temperate to cool climate (the snow in "Daria Dance Party"), proximity to hurricanes ("Daria!"), proximity to Virginia (Leeville, "I Don't"), and -- most importantly -- it's in one of the original Colony states, which allows Middleton to fit in quite beautifully.
I'm aware that this doesn't satisfactorily explain "Speedtrapped," but with such overwhelming evidence in favor of the East Coast, I'm more than willing to suspend my disbelief and chalk it up to Cartoon Plot Device Syndrome. :-)
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http://www.lawndale.net -OR- http://systech.simplenet.com/daria/On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 01:44:25 GMT, Martin J. Pollard wrote:
Crap! I totally forgot about the snow! That kills the Houston theory... it does NOT snow in Texas. Not without the locals all freaking out, anyway, assuming Texas is anything like Louisiana... :]
As a former resident of the Lone Star State, I can tell you that it DOES snow there on occasion. January 1985: I awoke one morning to find a (then) record 13" of snow on the ground in San Antonio. (And as I recall, my relatives in the the Northeast & in Canada didn't see so much as a paper snowflake.)
However, this does not contradict my theory that "Lawndale" is probably in New England and not Texas. A sudden snowfall most likely wouldn't freak people out (except maybe the Fashion Club). Cricket
Cricket wrote:
I REMEMBER THAT! Yes, 3 and 10 January, 1985 -- I know because Mom keeps a detailed photo album of those two days.
You were in San Antonio at the time? Really? You used to live there? Which part? :)
At that time I lived a 1/2 block away from Edison HS, right around San Pedro and Hildebrand. And I can distinctly recall that sensation of waking up, looking outside, and seeing this *white* stuff through a bedroom window. And I can remember being colder than I'd ever been before. I was staying at my grandparents' house next door (because that's what I did when I was little and I was on vacation while my parents were still working) and I can remember Mom getting me and bundling me up. She even put a scarf around me.
I didn't know how to make a snowball, though, so what I did was I took off my gloves and packed one tightly using my bare hands. I remember it hurting, feeling like very cold little glass shards. The rest of the time thereafter I learned to keep my gloves on.
It was fun making snowmen and playing in a snowball fight with some of our neighbors, as well as making snow angels and just in general playing in the snow. I was one happy five year old, let me tell you. When the snow finally melted, it was a disappointment to see things return to the way they normally are, and I have not seen snow ever since. I mean, aside from seeing snow on TV and all.
But...back to original point...yes, it would make the location of Lawndale in Texas an improbability. Guys, the best bet is Virginia!
Diane
On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 04:47:08 -0500, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from Diane Aguilar , and it said:
<snip>
But where does that put the desert and country-bumpkin town within 100 miles? (Okay, the town might exist somewhere nearby; I don't know enough to say one way or the other). That desert was very clearly the stereotypical Arizona (not to mention other states) type desert, here in the southwest US.
I think it doesn't exist in any particular region of the US. The closest to come is that it exists in American Suburbia.
I lived at Lackland Air Force Base (Medina Annex) from 1982-85; graduated from Lackland High in '84. (Yes, I lnow they've rebuilt & renamed the high school since then). Lackland Jr-Sr. High had a student body of about 300 then, and I can't see someone like Daria NOT fitting in there. Hell, with a graduating class of only 21 (tha't NOT a typo, folks), she couldn't avoid it. I know, 'cuz I tried it my junior year. The place is too damn small to make yourself invisible. Unlike Lawndale High, being called a brain was pretty much a sign of respect, as long as you weren't obnoxious about it. (My nickname was, in fact, The Brain, and I was respected for knowing all that "brain stuff".)
So yeah, I survived Lackland High (which is now Stacey High, renamed after the best darned English teacher I ever had). I was a freshman at UTSA when that snowfall hit in '85. Classes were cancelled for about three days -- longer than that after the snow melted because the wheelchair ramps were still frozen over & if the folks in wheelchairs couldn't get to class, then no one should have class b/c it wouldn't be fair to those who couldn't access the ramps. (I don't recall anyone in a wheelchair protesting this.)
But, okay, back to the topic (and yes, folks, I do tend to ramble & use parenthesis frequently -- Mrs. Stacey would probably be irked, but I doubt she's reading this; it's not like this will be half my grade for the semester or anything): Lawndale is NOT in Texas. I would have to say it's on the DelMarVa somewhere -- in MD, near Baltimore, about 100 miles from Fremont, and about 4 hours from Swedesville; & oh, yes, 3 days from Highland, Texas by car. I think that pinpoints it precisely. :D
Cricket (I think I'll stick with this name, since I don't eat as much corn as I used to)
Cricket said:
should
I guess "improvised inclined plane" technology is a bit beyond the capabilities of a publicly run school. Probably would have violated union work rules or something if the teachers or students had laid the boards down. And if they broke ... well, you're talking lawsuits. Isn't it wonderful the way American ingenuity fails to work when public schools are considered?
And it's not as if handicapped students (and one has to wonder just how many there would have been in a school with a few dozen students per grade) could have been simply helped up the stairs. Everyone knows that the typical paraplegic weighs 500 lbs and the typical wheelchair another 500 lbs, right? Besides ... hernias, lawsuits, eeww ...
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man is a god in ruins" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Actually, I was referring to the wheelchair ramps at UT San Antonio. Lackland High was a one-story school & there were no students or faculty in wheelchairs when I went there in '82-'84. UTSA had elevators that easily accomodated wheelchairs. But getting around outside with every bit of pavement iced over would have been treacherous for everyone, wheelchair-bound or not.
BTW, has anyone ever noticed any wheelchair-bound students at Lawndale High, or anyone student with a physical challenge? It would be interesting to see someone my sister & I could relate to (visually-impaired, for example). I know this is a fictional TV show, but I would like to see Glenn & Susie & crew draw SOMEBODY on that show who's not so perfect physically, and maybe make them a regular character (not a one- or two-episode deal like Aunt Amy or --shudder-- Artie). And how do you think Ms. Li would treat somebody who falls under the ADA? Would she be forced to pay for wheelchair ramps instead of bulletproof skylights and drug-sniffing dogs? (Fanfic writers: hint, hint!)
Cricket
Well there was Daria sans glasses in TALD. I must admit I didn't find that very convincing though. She was bumping into doors and people, but being without glasses simply wouldn't affect you in that way, unless you had an unusual eye condition which displaced images to one side. And the way the shots of things from her viewpoint went in and out of focus - they should have just left them out of focus. Squinting at things wouldn't have made that much difference.
I guess the bumping into things was a convenient shorthand for showing she couldn't see well, but they could have chosen more accurate ones. It's still one of my favourite episodes though. I love that self-deflating moment of Brittany's when she says just the right thing, and then spoils her newfound kudos by putting her blue-tinted glasses on and exclaiming "wow these things really *do* work!"
-Shez.
On Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:49:31 +0100, Shez wrote:
I can only confirm that. I got 8 diopters and astigmatism. I can even hit a basketball hoop without glasses (in fact, ever since a basketball in my face has destroyed my glasses, I have refused to wear them for sports). As long as small details aren't required, you get along pretty well without glasses. You definitely don't bump into anything.
I haven't seen TALD but squinting improves vision a lot for me. MSB
[email] (Matthias Benkmann) wrote:
It's funny-- I manage to take all sorts of hard falls and rolls in the dojo, and I've only had my glasses knocked off twice. Now fencing-- that's different-- I can't fit my glasses inside the mask, so I have to wear contacts. (My vision is horrible.) But for aikido, with as much rolling and falling as I do, I haven't damaged my glasses. Yet. (Knocks on wood.)
Squinting will help short-term, but it actually makes vision worse long-term-- it increases intra-ocular pressure, and contributes to further deformation of the eye. Or at least that's what my Opthalmologist told me about 15 years ago. I still squint, though.
rich.
Jane: You're a twisted little cruller, ain't'cha?
paperpusher wrote:
<snip talk on not breaking his glasses while practacing martial arts>
The only time I damaged my glasses was in a 'mosh pit' at a Jesus Lizard concert. Ah those wild days of youth!
[email] (Cricket) wrote:
The major problem with New England, however, is that it snows a heck of a lot more there than the shows would indicate. 3 seasons, 1 snowfall. Sorry, but it looks a lot like Maryland to me.
As for Columbia, SC, it's the opposite problem (well, that and the lack of accents)-- Columbia is one of those places that gets hellishly hot in the summertime-- hot, and humid, too. (Bad memories about summer music camp attempt to resurface, and are suppressed. <g>)
Cool name. <g>
rich.
Max: We're criminales!
In article , "Chris McCubbin" wrote:
According to Glenn Eichler, no. If you can still get it, pick up Toon Magazine issue #18.
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I have a hard time believing the whole "Lawndale in Texas" theory myself. I mean, if you look at one of my posts, you'll see that I thought if it had to be pinned down to a particular locale that it'd be pinned down to Virginia, due to the many posts about this same thing which were on this ng in about March or so. Where are the people who originally hypothesized VA? Because I feel that they did a really good job of explaining why Lawndale would be there if it *had* to be in a particular state. Besides, I think if you drive without rest you can get out of Texas in a good 12 hours...the rest of the way is not nearly that long because Texas is a pretty damn big state.
And...off topic...Chris McCubbin, I notice you have a central Texas-originating ISP there...you from around the Austin area? Cool. I'm from San Antonio myself. We could very well be neighbors...Texas neighbors. :)
Diane
Michelle Klein-Hass wrote:
In article , [email] wrote:
myself. I mean, if you look at one of my posts,
locale that it'd be pinned down to Virginia,
about March or so. Where are the people who
good job of explaining why Lawndale would be
you drive without rest you can get out of Texas
because Texas is a pretty damn big state.
Well, I guess I'm one of the people who believes it's in Virginia, so I suppose I could run down my reasons, since you asked. :) I would've said something earlier, but I wasn't able to see Speedtrapped until this morning.
Okay, reasons why Lawndale could be in Virginia: 1. Middleton College. If there's a colonial religious college close enough to make a spur of the moment weekend trip to, that's gotta narrow it down to the east coast at least. I rather doubt Texas has any of those.
2. The trip to Leeville, in I Don't. They have to be reasonably close to Leeville, otherwise Daria and Quinn would've changed into their dresses when they got there. And the virginia suburbs of DC puts them reasonably close to the people with southern accents that we see there. Plus, considering Robert E Lee was a Virginian, I could easily see a town of Leeville somewhere out there. (I don't have an atlas to check, though)
3. The hurricane. Everyone completely panicked at the mere mention of a hurricane, so I don't think they're very common in Lawndale. People further south, in the Carolinas on down, would at least know how to handle it. And it would be possible for them to get a brush from the northern edge of a hurricane, although it doesn't happen too often.
4. The fact that most of the parents we've seen have high-powered jobs. The outer suburbs of DC would be reasonably close (if you like really long commutes) to a lot of high powered jobs like the ones they have. The outer suburbs would also have lots of space for those big houses, and the land isn't as expensive out there (even those high powered jobs don't make quite enough for those huge houses if they were close to town). And the outer suburbs also tend to be predominantly white, like Lawndale.
now then, on to speedtrapped..... s p o i l e r
s p a c e . . . well, I have to admit that the place looked more like southeastern Idaho than anything else to me. And I bet Glenn just did that to completely throw us off. But I'm going to analyse it anyway. :)
It could be possible that they went to West Virginia. That way they're out of state, and in a small town, I could see things like what happened at that jail happening. The only thing that would be wrong about that is that it's too flat. They'd have to be in the Appalachian mountains. Maybe it's flat to make things easier for the animators, or just to throw us off. But at any rate, that's my $0.02 on the issue.
Ann
Colonial? No. But who said that place in 'Gifted' was colonial? It could be any number of places scattered around Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi (we *do* have small private colleges down there, you realize. Heck, even indoor plumbing and e-lec-tricity!)
What, no southern accents in Texas? Well hell, bust my legs... :]
Plus,
Considering how big Texas is, it's likely to have a Leeville. Heck, they've got Atlanta and Paris.... :]
Hurricanes don't really hit Houston every day... it's relatively far inland. So it's not inconcievable that it would cause a bit of a panic.
ANY major upper-middle class suburb is like that. There are "power job centers" (aka Edge Cities) clustered 5-20 miles outside of every major city in the US. Houston is actually one of the biggest centers of Edge Cities -- it's practically made up of them.
AGain, that's a nationwide trend.
But they were in a desert. It was flat, dry, and dusty, with almost no green vegetation. That sort of terrain simply doesn't exist anywhere east of the Mississippi River. And they said it was only an hour or two from Lawndale. If they're not in Texas, they've got to be somewhere else in the western half of the country. And somewhere near a big city... the type of hip urban street that Trent and Daria visited in "Pierce Me" doesn't normally exist in most small cities or suburbs.
Also -- in "The Lost Girls", Jane speaks of New York City like a place that's not mentioned on an everyday basis. NYC is an easy 5 or so hours from the DC area... winning a trip there wouldn't be such a big deal if they were in Virginia. Going there from Houston, though... THAT is something less commonplace.
Robert Powers wrote:
Ha ha ha ha, yes, I do know that, but does the rest of the world know that?
(looks at self typing on keyboard on computer hooked up to not only the internet but electricity...then looks at stereo running on electrical power)
Um...you see, I'm living proof Texans use electricity! :)
HEY! I'm a Texan and I don't have a "southern" accent! Maybe southern California, but not southern!
Not likely...with all the recently emigrated (meaning: within this century) Hispanics around here a "Leeville" would've changed its name post-1900 to something more acceptable. Although there is a Robert E Lee High School around here. That means really very little though as its original flag design, a slightly modified Confederate flag, was forced to undergo a change a few years back due to parent and student pressure. And yes, we do have Atlanta and Paris here. Not around where I'm at but there are those places. (around where I'm at there are a lot of Spanish and German place names)
Actually it *is* a port city so it isn't too far inland. And VA isn't quite used to hurricanes like its neighbors in the south (the Carolinas and Georgia, and Florida). At least that's what I'm gathering.
Yeah, that I have to agree with...most outer suburbs are predominantly white...but if Lawndale were in Texas, where's the token Hispanic family? What, no Hispanic high powered businesspersons? Highly improbable if it were in Texas or any other densely populated Hispanically place.
Really? No deserts east of the Mississippi? Dude, you guys in the east really *are* missing out...LOL
Heh, unless the Houstonite happens to be quite wealthy, in which case going to NYC would be at least a yearly occurence, as would going to Aspen. Then again if they lived close to Houston, don't you think that the whole allure of NYC would not be so bright? Houston is a *major* metropolitan area (4th largest, only behind NYC, LA, and Chicago) with plenty of skyscrapers of its own *and* a load of galleries, museums, fine restaurants, etc., so if they were near NYC they wouldn't really consider it a big thrill. It would be interesting, yes, but not to the point where Daria'd want to stick around with a Val for what seems like an eternity.
And...what makes you think that proximity breeds familiarity? I've been to Houston three times in my life. All of them were YEARS ago. And Houston certainly isn't far from me, only three hours away by car. There are places that are a five hour drive from San Antonio that I've never been to or have only seen from the vantage point of a plane passenger looking down.
Just my thoughts....
Diane
On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:48:44 -0500, Diane Aguilar wrote:
Evidently not. Growing up in Louisiana, I had friends who managed to convince out-of-staters that they took a pirogue (I think that's how it's spelled, though the dictionary says it's pronounced "pee rog", and I've never heard it any other way but "pee row") to school every day, while avoiding aligators in the swamps. Of course, everyone knows that Texans all ride horses everywhere...
Well, neither do I, but I can attest that they're everywhere down there. :]
Yeah, but it's not on the coast either, which was my point. Anyway, Houston has Galveston to take the brunt of the damage for it. :]
A good point, but I'm sure their are some suburban enclaves where racial equality hasn't filtered its way in yet... or maybe we just haven't met any Hispanic Lawndale students by pure coincidence.
Heh heh. That's one big reason I always wanted to move to the east coast... no more endless plains with no hills and no trees.
NYC would not be so bright? Houston is a *major* metropolitan area (4th largest, only behind NYC, LA, and Chicago) with plenty of skyscrapers of its own *and* a load of galleries, museums, fine restaurants, etc., so if
Maybe... but a lot of people consider NYC to pretty much be THE cultural and entertainment capital of the country (with LA as the only other real contender for the spot) -- Jane certainly seems to. Houston's a major metropolitan area, true, but having spent a few days there a year or two back I can tell you it has *nothing* to compare with Manhattan's street life (you've stumbled into my particular love, which is cities and urban life. Pity you! :] Manhattan is worth seeing even if you never set foot in a gallery, don't go close to a Broadway show, and never eat anything more expensive than a deli sandwich. Growing up in the south as I did, where Houston is pretty much the archetypal city, you get a *very* different idea of what is meant by "city" than you would growing up where I currently am (Philadelphia), where places like Brooklyn are more the model... Whoa, okay, I'm veering way off topic. I'll stop now.
yes, but not to the point where Daria'd want to stick around with a Val for what seems like an eternity.
...and she didn't, remember? :] Thank gods for that! But she was willing to consider it. That in itself kinda implies that NYC is not some place she could really go to otherwise.
places
Hey, now I don't feel so bad about going there only ONCE during school, when it was only 5 hours down the road (the fact that Dallas/Ft. Worth was two hours closer was a big factor in that...)
True -- but there's nowhere 5 hours from SA that is NYC. :] Well, New Orleans maybe...
[email] (Robert Powers) wrote:
Too late-- you sparked memories of my time in NJ. (Yes, I've been a lot of places.) The best and worst things about Manhattan are the smells-- some are incredible, some are beyond awful-- but the smells are always what remind me of Manhattan.
As far as deli sandwiches go, you can't go wrong at either the Carnegie or the 2nd Avenue. (Although I prefer the 2nd Avenue, myself.) And, of course, what trip to the City isn't complete without spending a week or two at the Metropolitan Museum of Art and the Guggenheim? (Oops, guess maybe that's just me. <g>) I've been to the Dallas Museum of Art, and the one in Ft. Worth, as well as Art Galleries here and there, and very few can match the MMA and the Guggenheim-- the National Gallery gives them a good run for their money (or should I say Monet?) <g> (I know, I know, I still have to go the Getty and the SFMOMA-- they're still on the list, too.) What was the subject again? Oh, yeah, go to NYC if you possibly can, and remember, it's a great place to live, but you don't want to visit there. (You'll know what I mean.) ;-)
Contributing to ATD's usual topic drift,
rich.
Jane: All I want is to make beautiful things!
After seeing the Daria! The Musical episode, the idea of Lawndale being in the east really caught on. Interesting that they would choose a hurricane for a football game cancellation and school closure. I went through that here in Florida back in 79 when Hurricane David cancelled school for three days, hurray! With that in mind I like to think that Lawndale is in Florida, but other qualities about the other characters on the show don't make that idea work very well. And the episodes that have followed really don't lend themselves to being in FL either. For one, the weather is always too nice outside to be FL, most of the year it is just too hot or rainy here to be outside without working up a major sweat. The next guess would be Georgia, but the southern qualities of that state are not present in the show either. The Carolinas? Same problem as GA. That leaves the rest of the coastal states that could be hurricane reachable. After VA you get into Maryland, which at this point is my guess for Lawndale. However.................It could be Delaware, NY, MA, RI, ME, with ME being the least possible guess after FL. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I'm inclined to think that if Daria's Lawndale existed anywhere, it would be somewhere on the East Coast (perhaps in a New England state). If you'll recall in "College Bored," the Morgendorffers visited Middleton College, a Colonial-era school within driving distance of Lawndale. The Colonies (for those who remember their U.S. history) were along the East Coast, from Maine (which was actually part of Massachusetts) down to Georgia. Texas was NOT one of the original 13 colonies; neither was California(where a lot of Daria fanfics take place).
Plus, at least one of the original colonies (Pennsylvania) has towns called Lawndale (a suburb of Philly, I think) and Highland, which is several miles away. A 3-day drive might be plausible.
Finally, I've generally thought that Lawndale and Highland had to be in the same state because of Helen's job. Lawyers can't (generally) pack up & practice in another state without taking another bar exam or practicing for several years in one state with good standing before being admitted to practice to another state's bar. ISTM that either Helen is still practicing in the same state, or she's been admitted in another state. (Paperpusher, if you're out there, can you confirm this? I'm just a novice attorney recently admitted to the bar in one state & contemplating the hell of the bar exam -- again -- in two neighboring states Do you concur with this analysis?)
[email] (Cornwomyn) wrote:
I prefer to think of Middleton as akin to William and Mary-- another college from Colonial times, located in Virginia. Add Leeville to that, and Glenn's statement that Lawndale is somewhere near Baltimore, and, well, there ya go.
Having made the drive from Dallas to Chapel Hill a large number of times, I can tell you it's easily done in 3 days. Two if you're willing to make two 10 hour days. One if your parents are Helen and Jake, and slightly obsessed. <g> Besides, Quinn could always spell one of them. <g>
Congratulations, Counselor! I remember passing the NC bar exam... aren't law licenses pretty? I know mine sure is. I think it had like a 60% pass rate when I took it in '94. It was evil-- the MBE was a breeze, I think, but the essays were right out of the Stygian Abyss. Stuff you'd never learn without bar review courses. (And hold on to those Bar Review books-- they're a great crib sheet for real legal issues.) BTW, do you have any memory at all of taking the MBE, other than sitting down, starting, then getting up to leave? Just wondering-- it's an informal survey I keep up with other attorneys. <g>
Since Helen is at least forty s-- I mean, forty three, it stands to reason that she's been practicing law for at least 15 years, if not more-- she probably wasn't in law school after she'd already had kids-- the kids most likely came after law school. Can you imagine *that* stress? Ick. Anyway, considering that you usually only need 7 years of active practice to get comity, (some states more, some less), she could wind up in just about any jurisdiction that had comity with Texas. (Side note-- Mike Judge has stated that Highland was most definitely in Texas.) I don't see any problems there-- heck, she may have waived in to Texas from yet another jurisdiction.
While it's true that lawyers don't generally pack up and move to another state, it still happens a lot these days. I just talked to an attorney the other day who was heading out west because there wasn't enough work here. She'll have to sit for the CA bar (a RPITA if there ever was one-- but she survived the NC Bar, and the NC Bar is wicked), and she's been in practice for a few years-- not long enough to forget everything she learned in law school. <g>
hope this roundabout answer suffices. rich. BTW-- now we've got 2 priests and 2 lawyers on ATD. Nice symmetry, huh? ;-)
Helen: Bureaucracy is the price we pay for impartiality.
Jake: Jefferson!
Helen: Stalin.
I took the Alabama Bar Exam this past February. The exam is three full days (6-8 hours per day) & said to be the longest bar exam in the country. The first two days (Monday & Tuesday) are essay exams -- 6 subjects, 2 essays in each subject, and you have to answer all 12 for credit. If you can make it through to the end of the final set of essays on Tuesday afternoon, you may have a good shot at surviving the MBE the next morining. I remember dozing off during my last set of essays (Business Organizations -- usually my best subject) & writing almost total gibberish because I was too tired to hold my pen anymore. During the first MBE session (Wednesday morning), I didn't even TRY to stay awake -- I put my head down on the desk and slept for a good 5 or 10 minutes, woke up & finished those first 100 questions with several minutes to spare. I went over my BarBri stuff during lunch (did you take BarBri BTW? Doesn't that course make 3 years of law school seem like a complete waste of time, especially since you're only tested on your first year subjects anyway?) and breezed through the second 100 questions.
The pass rate the Feb. 1999 exam in Alabama was only about 30%, the lowest in over a decade. And, sad to say, this was NOT my first time taking the bar exam -- I got sick the first time during the MBE & spent most of the second half of the test in the restroom. I failed the exam by ONE FRIGGIN' POINT (but hey, I'm not bitter!) Fortunately, I had my MBA to fall back on, so I didn't starve while I continued my quest to become a lawyer. In fact, I'm still at my old job right now b/c I'm getting more experience in contract law that I could get at any law firm around here.
Anyway, Paperpusher, to answer your question, all I really remember from the MBE was filling in lots of little dots & hoping I got enough of those dots right to get my 140 passing score. I got a 144. If I decide to take the Tennessee bar next February, I may be able to transfer that score & not deal with those little dots again. And no, I didn't keep all my bar review stuff (BarBri charges you $75 per unreturned book, on top of the $1200+ they charge for taking the course--greedy bastards!). I did keep all my handouts & most of my law books, though, so I have a preety good library started. Cricket
[email] (Cornwomyn) wrote:
Sounds like it-- ours was only 2 days-- 1 for MBE, 1 for essays.
There was no way I was falling asleep during the essays-- I was too jazzed up on adrenaline. Of course, they set it up so we had a 3-hour test section, then a 2-hour break, then a 3-hour session, then we all ran to the nearest brew-pub and got drunk. <g>
Yeah, I took BarBri as well. And yeah, it made law school seem pretty damn useless. (Unless, of course, you want to teach law-- in which case it's actually very good.) But then again, how many of your classmates are aspiring law profs? The funny thing about bar review was that it turned all of us back into 1Ls again. <g> By my 3L year, I was so blas� about the whole thing, and a week after graduation, I'm back in 1L mode again. I was so anal that I even took an extra MBE seminar.
The Feb. exams usually have the lower pass rates, anyway. I think they make 'em harder on purpose.
At least you found out your scores-- they wouldn't even reveal out MBE scores to us-- they'd only tell us if we could waive into D.C. or one of the other MBE-only states. (It's not worth it-- D.C. charges the crap out of you.) But don't sweat it-- wait 5 years, and see how many former lawyers you meet at your reunion. You might be surprised. ;-)
Yes, they are greedy bastards, but the two big books of NC law were worth the money I didn't get back. Those books are better than most of the books the big publishing companies sell at 3 times the price. (And you wind up rebuying the damn books every year-- $60 for a *pocket insert*???) Grrr...
rich, esq.
(BTW, do you use the esq.? I never could get comfortable with it.)
Helen: Bureaucracy is the price we pay for impartiality.
Jake: Jefferson!
Helen: Stalin.
Heck, I'm already meeting some "former lawyers" just 2 years out of law school! And at a CLE seminar I went to back in June, I found that a lot of my former classmates still hadn't been hired by firms yet, more than a year or so after graduating. I can't totally blame it on a glut of lawyers here-- ISTM that most firms care more about your grades & your Law Review work than your work experience. My grades were so-so & I chose to forego Law Journal for Moot Court instead, so my 3-page resume (outlining my 3 degrees & 10 years of work experience, including a legal internship with mentally ill clients) counts for little if anything around here.
It almost makes me want to put a squirrel on my head and go sell nuts at the mall. <G>
And no, I don't use the title "Esquire." According to my British parents (they're from Barbados, actually, but they're more British down there than they are in the UK), the term "esquire" applies only to male landowners; it has nothing to do with attorneys (unless the attorney happened to be a landowner). Seeing that I'm not male (I enjoy being a girl!) and I am not a landowner (and probably won't ever be at the rate I'm paying off my law school loans), I do not use "Esq." after my name & I don't ever plan to. (I don't recall if Helen Morgendorrfer uses it either.)
BTW, I don't use the names "Cricket" or "Cornwomyn" that muchanymore in my personal life, either. They are nicknames attributed to my sleeping and eating habits. Since I started posting to this NG, I've been using them alternately b/c I haven't decided which one to stick with yet. Any ideas? Cricket
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Oh, it has to be "cricket." Fine game, mellow, entertaining, and civilised. Occasionally exciting, to boot. Even if former colonies have an unsavoury habit of beating us in Test Matches. Ah. Um, perhaps "Cornwmyn" might be better, after all. 8-)
Martin.
On Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:00:51 +0100, some letters randomly coalesced from individual pixels, claiming to be from "Martin Sylvester" , and it said:
Only the British could possibly make a _game_ out of the memory of that war!!!
Tarvok wrote in message news:[email]...
But you have to enjoy it: even Slartibartfast enjoys cricket, though of course he wouldn't want anyone outside this planet to know that.
Martin.
[email] (Cricket) wrote:
Yeah, and have you noticed how happy some of those bastards are? ;-)
Yeah, that's a lesson that repeats constantly-- big firms only hire top 10-20%. Why? Simple-- they were all top 10-20%. For some addled reason, they believe that law school grades, and only law school grades, are a measure of your skill as a lawyer. Even though law school doesn't teach you the daily practice of law, and even though many of the people in the top of the class have all of the social skills of a pile of seagull droppings, the big firms just don't know any better. (Let's face it-- legal knowledge is pretty much par amongst all attorneys-- the most important skill is rainmaking-- if you can get clients to sign up for your firm's services, then it doesn't matter if you wrote about legal trents in Botswana for your Journal.) Actually, if you want to get the best salary long-term, small firms are the best way to go, anyway. I know so many big-firm refugees who went solo or started up small firms of their own that are now billing the same hours as before, but keeping twice the money.
Well, don't feel like you have to work in a big firm-- it isn't worth the effort, anyway. All they do is lock you in the library for 5 years, then boot you when you can't bring in enough new clients. Then you're 5 years older, with no relevant courtroom experience, right back where you were after law school.
Fair enough. I don't use it just because it sounds pretentious-- I'm a pretty down-to-earth person. I also don't like it when lawyers call themselves "Attorney Smith" or put "J.D." after their names. It's just a bit too precious for me.
I personally like Cricket.
rich.
Quinn: I can't be a brain! My friends will hate me!
Cornwomyn wrote:
Lansdale is a suburb here. No Lawndale to my knowledge. Could be another part of the state.
Did they actually say that Middleton was colonial? From the architecture it could have easily been Rice in Houston, St. Edwards in Austin, or any one of a number of pre-WW1 colleges scattered around the midwest.
Of course, your entire theory falls apart when Glenn Eichler, producer and creator of the show, tells us it's on the east coast.
On Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:27:16 -0500, "Chris McCubbin" wrote:
Kyle He complained when I hit him. All my friends do. Wusses.
On the mountaintop, "Chris McCubbin" spake thusly:
They said Middleton was established 1776.
-Mindy
"I think I'm a mushroom... I must be a mushroom! Everyone keeps me in the dark and feeds me bulls***!" -Ward Rubrecht
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In article , "Chris McCubbin" wrote:
The sign in front of Middleton College says "Middleton College, Founded 1776." Unless the original name of Middleton was El Pueblo del Medio such a founding date would be impossible in Texas.
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On Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:27:16 -0500, "Chris McCubbin" wrote:
Yup. Heather the tour guide said it. From the transcript:
Heather - These buildings date from when Middleton was a colonial religious college.
Methinks we can kiss the Lawndale, Texas Theory goodbye. :-) Lawndale is definitely on the Right Coast, in or near one of the original 13 Colonies states.
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