Requiem for Daria

Amelius Unhappy wrote:

It * is * a shame, indeed. But we have had many great memories of Daria to satisfy us, and I managed to get interested in the show before it went off the air. For that, I'm going to be forever grateful.

Belle Book

Did it end because the creators/those involved in making it wanted to end it, or did MTV cancel it?

On 22 Jan 2002 19:09:31 GMT, [email] (User54165) wrote:

According to Glenn Eichler, it was mostly the former, but some of the latter. MTV would only commit to a half-season of episodes, which Glenn did not care for at all. Rather than produce a half-assed season, Glenn and MTV settled on a final 90-minute movie that would wrap up the series once and for all (which looks to have been a wise decision, given that MTV Animation was given the axe late last year).

Martin J. Pollard wrote:

How many episodes are in a full season?

On 22 Jan 2002 21:15:50 GMT, [email] (GenericName98) wrote:

Thirteen. This would've worked out to about six or seven episodes, and probably *no* TV-movie. My speculation is that MTV knew way back then that their animation division was going to be eliminated, thus their commitment to only a half-season. As I said, I think Glenn did the smart thing, plus it frees him up to pursue fresh projects (as I figure that even he was getting a *little* tired of the same-old same-old after five years; ya gotta have new challenges to stay interested in the game).

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In article , [email] says...

I don't buy it. I didn't buy it then and I don't buy it now.

"Other projects" is the stock phoney excuse people like Eichler and MTV use when they don't want to say what happened, and want to communicate to the general public that they don't want to talk about it. "creative differences" is another one. ".... wants to spend more time with his family .... " is the time-honored way that politicians and CEOs get dumped. Would Walt Disney dump Donald Duck? You get the idea: You've been slapped in the face. Like it?

MTV was supposed to be "going out of the animation business .... " Yet they just bought three --> that's THREE <-- new animation series.

Eichler had a successful series. Other people were doing most of the work. Other creative producers honcho more than one series at a time. Daria hadn't run out of ideas.

Something is fishy here.

I want my Daria back. I REALLY want my Daria back.

LR

On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:25:19 GMT, Love and Rockets wrote:

Don't be so wrapped up in denial that you forget to visit the rest of Egypt.

Since I'm not operating under the same delusions as you seem to be, there's nothing for me to like or dislike.

Martin
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On January 23rd, Martin Pollard wrote:

That's one I've never heard before. Have to remember to use it the next time a situation presents itself.

Ever heard the phrase "Too cool for the room"?

When MTV first ordered Daria it was producing shows like "Aeon Flux" and "The Maxx," and rerunning episodes of "My So-Called Life."

Over the last five years it's (d)evolved to where the mainstay of its programming is TRL, Cribs and those "MTV's Wild&Crazy Super-Summer PAR-TAY!" shows.

Daria didn't fit in any more (mild irony duely noted for the record). It was drawing an audience for itself, but it wasn't drawining anybody to MTV as a whole. There was no synchronicity with the rest of the schedule. Now it's easy for us to say, "Yeah? So what?" but if you're a New York MTV marketing weasel, that is a fatal flaw in the show, and I suspect that's what killed Daria in the end.

DISCLAIMER: The above is all my strictly personal and semi-informed opinion, and may well be just as bogus as any other random conspiricy theory.

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You know, this is about as good an explanation as I've ever read here. While it doesn't explain how MTV handled the last two seasons, it does narrow things down on WHY they were handled the way they were.

The converse of this, is that Daria did generate an audience, and that audience should be useful to another Cable Channel. That is, unless those DariaWatchers don't buy anything at all.

LR

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Sometimes it's a phony excuse. Sometimes it's not. What's the difference?

Maybe. Coca-Cola dumped their old formula.

They're no longer making their own animation. That doesn't mean they can't buy animated series from other sources.

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Last night I saw one of the few "finale" episodes that was as good or better than anything else that proceded it. "Is It College Yet?" was great.

I can think of a half-dozen other "Classic" shows that didn't hit the standard "Daria" met so effortlessly. Mash was terrible. Cheers was a waste. Rosanne's whole last year was a train wreck. Star Trek, Voyager and DS9 were all two steps lower than anticlimactic. Happy Days was better but mediocre. Seinfeld managed to be one of the few mediocre eps I ever saw them make. Ditto with "Mary Tyler Moore." Only "the Fugitive" and a very few other classic shows have managed to make it into Daria's 'Finale' neighborhood.

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I do not own a DVD today. If Daria episodes ever come out on DVD, I will buy a unit JUST to play those DVDs.

I am not really a star-struck fan. I like the writing, the characterization, the animation, and the way Daria was able to hit just the right tone to show what 80s and 90s HighSchool students go through. I don't think there's another show that did the same thing for HighSchool at other times -- certainly not Andy Hardy, Henry Aldridge, Father Knows Best, Our Miss Brooks, Archie, the Monkeys, the Bradys, or the Partriges or Happy Days. There were a couple of excellent live-action shows cancelled in the last decade (My so-called Life; freeks and geeks) that were as good as Daria in many ways, but weren't as accessable as Daria's humor helped the "Daria" to become.

I think kids will watch Daria 50 years from now, just to see what their great grandparents went through when THEY were kids.

What's the deal with MTV signing up three new animation series at the same time they cancelled Daria?

Why isn't Daria being transplanted to some other Cable network, or being syndicated?

This was NO WAY for a show like Daria to die.

Love and Rockets

Well, you lucky people in the �States will now have seen the last Daria movie, �Is It College Yet?�

Living in the UK, with our wonderful tv stations, however, means that we will probably get it sometime during the next ice age!!

This is why I am sending out this plea.

Is there any wonderful Daria fan out there who would be willing to copy me the movie?

My video will play NTSC tapes so that is no problem, and I will pay all costs for tape, postage, packing, etc.

I would even accept it on CD in .rm or .mpg format, but I would prefer tape for the quality.

My connection is not fast enough to download the file, so it would have to be on CD.

If there is anyone out there kind enough to do this for me please email me on [email].

Long live Daria (at least in fanfic!!)

John Wood

Note to everyone: if any network ever reruns the whole "Fugitive" (1963-67 original) series, watch it, tape it, don't miss an episode. Especially the two-part finale.

They don't do 'em like that anymore.

M Man

MMan wrote:

Y'know, I havent seen "The Fugitive" since its original run, but I can still remember a good bit of the last episode. And I was eight years old at the time.

That's one of the drawbacks of today's 100+ channels-with-a-TV-in-every-room world. I *had* to watch "The Fugitive" if I was watching TV at all that night. My mom was seriously into that show. And there was only one TV in the house.

Peace Kevin

It was rerun on A&E about a decade ago.

Black and white, right?

M Man

MMan wrote:

Absolutely. We got our first color TV in about 1973. Cable came in '75.

Peace Kevin

Veering off-topic ...

[email] (MMan37x) writes:

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Some local AT&T Broadband cable systems are running it on the AT&T channel. Plug in your zip code and provider into <http://www.zap2it.com/index> to get your local listings and then do a listings search for the keyword "fugitive".

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Until the last season, when everything was switched over to color, which frankly ruined the film noir photography of the series.

The '00-01 remake wasn't allowed a final wrap-up episode.

-Micky

Actually, I was referring to KTrick45's television set, but I do agree that adding color during the last season didn't do much for the show.

Veering back on-topic:

What did everyone think of the black-and-white drawings used in the IICY opening theme?

M Man

In article , [email] (KTrick45) wrote:

I grew up in a one-TV house too. That's how I missed the last season of "Outer Limits." It was rescheduled to conflict with the "Jackie Gleason Show," which was popular in our house.

Steve Cross

And, since I didn't explain... the reason it's a drawaback today, is that today you don't have to learn negotiating skills. We did.

"Amelius Unhappy" wrote in message news:[email]...

Wow. How do you do that?

D. T. Dey

In article , Amelius Unhappy wrote:

And of course there is an excellent example of how NOT TO teach economics in Mrs. Bennett. Both those incomprehensible diagrams of hers and her poor example of what she considers good investments ("OOOOH! The Fuzzy-Wuzzy WeeBits Store!!!") suggest that she's essentially clueless on the subject.

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In article , nospam- [email] says...

That's the nice thing about Daria: There were all kinds of "lessons/snippits" on all kinds of important things throughout the show -- and then the show incorporated them into the plot, characters, and humor. And did it all in a way that an eleven year old without an Economics Course could understand, appreciate, and laugh at.

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ECON QUESTION: A lightbulb costs me three dollars at the store. Part of that cost goes to raw materials. Part goes to transportation. Part goes to labor -- and so on. Obviously it took several companies in an economic chain of business, where each business in that chain buys stuff, manufactures something, sells it to somebody, and ships it somewhere. All this just to provide me with that lightbulb. It wasn't just GE or Sylvania.

In another newsgroup, I ran into an idea that was new to me: Each of these primary companies in my lightbulb supply chain is in turn supported by other companies: GE bought the raw materials from a vendor. The vendor bought catapillar tractors from a manufacturer. The mfgr. hired auto workers and bought steel and borrowed money to build its factory, and so forth. All of them independently borrowed money and paid taxes and paid labor costs as well. It is a very complex supply chain.

The idea I ran into, is that it's possible to take the three bucks the lightbulb cost me and allot ALL of its costs to labor across the extended supply chain, so it looks like the AFL is ripping us off on a global scale -- and then start again, and allot ALL its costs to raw materials so it looks like the environment is being raped -- and then start again and allot ALL its costs to taxes, or energy, or interest on loans from banks and so forth, for every economic function required to produce and provide that lightbulb to me. This is a twisted idea on its surface, where it takes a million dollars of support to produce a single lightbulb that I can buy for three dollars.

1) If this Economic idea is valid, then how does an accountant (or an Economist) allot the real costs of that lightbulb, so GE (and everybody else) knows what everything is really costing?

• Where is this idea written up so I can read about it?

LR

In article , nospam- [email] says...

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I know posting an Econ reading list is a long way from "Daria," but I still appreciate it very much. I have a little time off between contracts, and I'm building a reading list. I'm going to look for these books and buy the one I can read. :)

I liked Krugman's KindaKontrarian recent US Economic History "Peddling Prosperity" and Turow's "Future of Capitalism" -- lightweight books for YOU, but good books for someone like ME to read. I'm also poking around through some Philosophy, Anthropology and Psychology, and visiting a bunch of ScienceNooz sites every day. It's wonderful (if costly) to have a little time to learn something besides Cisco/Java/Windows/Linux/Net/asp/ XML/Oracle/everythingSystems/hardware/zillionSpecs/ChippityDoDah stuff.

LR