Depth Takes a Holiday. Or an extended leave, on the c5 screening. According to the timecode on my VCR, it ran, theme and credits included, for 20 minutes 12 seconds.
GFD had IIRC three lines; though his song (I'm a bleedin' holiday?) wasn't cut. Cupid dropped SPD Leprachaun for no apparent cause. The dialogue in the cellar, about the gig at HIHS, was, I think, two lines.
The ep was choppy and discontinuous, IMHO. No wonder the c5 announcer couldn't make head or tail of it.
I'd rather it had been dropped than have been hacked about as it was; but that's an instant reaction, and may change upon mature reflection.
Anyone who hasn't seen the original ep on MPEG or RealMedia, and who saw tonight's screening uncoloured by prior expectations, care to comment?
The whole thing reminded somewhat of the wizard of oz with Daria playing the part of Dorothy and Cupid as the Scarecrow.ect .In the end Daria clicks her heels together "there`s no place like home...there`s no place like home" errm the analogy starts to break down here :-) I Don`t know what to make of it in *reality*..it was humourous in places
In general enjoyed the episode, and can't understand why so many people on here didn't like it. (heheheh I think my least fave so far has been 'The Lost Girls', but I won't comment on this because most of the UK a.t.d people won't have seen that yet....). I did like some of the character interactions between Daria/Jane and the holidays/cupid/leprechaun(sp?)...and the Quinn/parents thing was pretty amusing too......though I think anyone would go to sleep (as Quinn did) listening to Tiffany's voice for too long.... :-)
Humm why do I find myself liking Quinn's character more and more as time goes on ?
Again though we see C5's idiotic censoship....apparently it's ok for Trent to say something about the holidays being 'pissed off' but they cut the words'sod off' that one of the holidays (may be the leprechaun...too lazy to check the transcript !) says. Though I can kinda undrestand them cutting the word 'wanker' for the benifit of the audiance they are aiming at, despite that's not who the show is really supposed to be for oh well....
Hopefully I won't find myself saying this again next week..... I believe it's "Daria Dance Party Up" next week...unless they re-arrange again....heheheh would be cool if they showed 306 :-) but I guess not !
Phill.
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Phill Harvey-Smith of FT&T writes:
I think the problematic aspect is simply that the plot doesn't fit into the Daria universe. In this it differs from the musical episode, in that the story in the musical episode is tenable, it has simply been conveyed using a different storytelling medium. But the storyline of DTAH is full of impossible things, and this incongruity has dismayed and confused many people as they want a consistent and plausible Daria universe that they can believe in. Whilst I can understand the Daria team wanting to have the occasional light-hearted fling, I think such things are usually done more as a parting shot when a series has reached the cancellation stage, or else as a "special" for some particular occasion, neither of which seems to apply in this case. I think if such a story was run more than once every couple of seasons then it would risk unravelling Daria's reality. The episode was more of a fanfic than a real Daria episode.
You're right, in the UK version of the episode he says very little, in fact I don't recall him saying bollocks once, nor the wanker bit. I should also add that his English accent is absolutely crap, even worse than the fake accent of that girl on Frasier. He sounds like the guy in Pierce Me - was he meant to be English too? I just thought he had blocked sinuses or something. Is this episode available in realvideo? If so I must check it out, also get the missing song from the musical.
Nor have I actually, apart from the obvious "blood" meaning. It's just a generic swearword. Actually come to think of it I did once hear it was a contraction of "by Our Lady" and thus a blasphemy, but I'm not sure if that's true, as in practice it's used as an adjective, as in "you bloody bastard", "bloody hell", etc.
I've no idea what felching means either. I just looked in my dictionary and it's not there. Under bloody though it says "in strong language, = damned", and the etymology does indeed simply seem to derive from "blood" in the obvious way.
One thing that puzzles me with the removal of the "gah damn it" (or goddammit?) song from the musical is that "damn" isn't considered a particularly heinous word here, it's not a fully fledged swear word in the sense that "bollocks" and "fuck" are, so I don't really see why C5 would have felt the need to cut it. And given that we're not a particularly religious nation, I don't think the "god" or "gah" bit, or the carload of christians or whoever they were, would touch a raw nerve with anyone.
I can understand C5 feeling they had to cut all the "bollocks" stuff from Guy Fawkes' lines though, I suspect TV regulators would say such language was not suitable for broadcasting before about 8pm. It's still regrettable that it was cut though, broadcasters are too censorious generally and since most kids swear IRL why shouldn't they hear it on TV too? C5 should have uncut reruns in a "Daria late" slot for adults.
Ah but we are oficially a church of england country......
What's even more puzzeling that they let through Jakes "Go to hell ya reckless bastard !" from "Ill" and Trent's "Christmass and Guy Fawkes are pissed off because...." lines, if it was consistent I could understand, but it's not !
Sorry for going on about this but censorship (which is what this effectively is) sucks ! There is only one censor that I need me, if I don't want to watch somthing I hit that button on the front of my TV marked "OFF" !
And Come on C5, it's not like kids these days don't use these words themselves, heheheh go into any school playground and you'll see what I mean :-)
Phill.
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Yep, Axl's supposed to be a Brit, or at least a Brit-Punk-Rocker wannabe. It supposed to sound like a mid-seventies punk cockney accent, a la Clockwork Orange. I'd guess that the voices are done by the same persin for both of them.
Great, I'm using an expeltive that has no meaning. I should have guessed.
This is not the least bit surprising. Let's just say its an obscure bit of gay slang that seems to have been picked up in some circles as a very, very nasty curse (I once heard the phrase "go felch a cow", the mental image of which keeps me awake late at night in a cold sweat). Why it is considered British in origin, I cannot say, but that's what the consensus seems to be. If anyone is brave and foolhardy enough to seek it out, I will provide the definition be e-mail on request.
That Cock-a-Neigh Brit Punk Rocker accent seems to be the stereotypical accent of choice for stereotypical rock stars. Particularly on American TV. qv an episode of Quantum Leap where Sam leaps into the body of a Seventies KISS-u-like glam rock star. Possibly influenced by Mick Jagger?
You can catch unexpurgated Daria on MTV on Tuesday nights. We saw the full DTAH last night, and it was much more amusing, to hear Guy Fawkes saying "Bollocks!" [we are easily amused in our household...]
Which just makes me despair, because MTV are showing uncut programmes, in order, while C5 are showing cut programmes out of order. I'm currently recording the C5 eps, but I should really be recording the MTV eps, but I missed the first MTV ep because I forgot it was on (and I probably wouldn't have recorded it even if I had watched it...)
I am MTV enabled, and IMO you didn't miss much. I actually prefered the cut version of DTAH, after the second time guy fawkes said bollocks I got very bored of him, it was like reading Viz at the same time as watching Daria, the most pointless character so far.
It made me wonder about Jane as well, as she says he's cute, yet he's nothing like any of the other guys she's shown interest in so far.
My friend Carla says "Bollocks!" all the time. Mostly in response to me, eg: "Carla, do my French exam for me..." "Bollocks!" or "Carla, you'll carry my Art folder home for me, won't you?" "Bollocks!" Hmmm. I think I've known her too long.
On Mon, 17 May 1999 06:21:54 -0700, [email] (Mikel Midnight) wrote:
Well, for starters:
1) People die. Villains were killed, not 'sent back to the negaverse'. Civilians were killed, often bloodily; this is handwaved. All of the Scouts die, one by one, in the last few episodes of the original series (they reincarnate again after the evil queen is defeated; in the US version, they're 'imprisoned' insead. The realitiy of violence being dangerous is eliminated wholly.
2) People are gay. One of the villians in the Japanese version is male in the original, but female in the US, because that character was having an obvious relationship with another male character. And the US version stops at series 3 (not season; the first 'series' spans several seasons). Why? Becuase in series 4 they introduce Sailors Neptune, Uranus and Pluto, and it is an inescapable fact that the latter two are lovers, while the former is a male transvestite (I may have the specifics wrong, but that's essentially what's at stake).
3) People have complex lives. Most of the 'length' cuts were long term plot points, which the US translators thought would be too much for the poor, inattentive American kiddies to take. As a result, for the most part only the parts relevant to that episode are shown, with the obligatory bits about Serena and Darien.
BTW, one of the best jokes of the series fails to carry over, or so I've been told. In the US version, Darien often calls Serena 'meatball head'; but in the Japanese version, the nickname is "bunni". This is a double pun, as Usagi (her original name) means "rabbit" in Japanese, while the English loan-word "bunni" means "bunny girl", a common sexy-girl archetype in Japanese cartoons derived from the Playboy Bunnies.
At least, that's what I was told. I'm not a huge Sailor Moon fan, but I enjoy animation overall and hate to see a series gutted like that.
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Um, I don't know who told you this, but you need to track them down and ask them to pull the other one so your walk won't be so lopsided. Sailor Moon was a half-hour show in the original. The only instance of anything like an "hour per ep, half of which gets cut" is "Day of Destiny" (US ep 40), which was made by squishing together Japanese episodes 45 and 46.
[request for list of DiC's specific sins deleted]
True.
*piku piku* I must have blinked and missed that. Maybe you're thinking of Kagaku Ninjatai Gatchaman?
The last *two*, if you want to get specific. Sailor Moon gave her life in the final episode of the first season; the other four Senshi (and if we're talking the original, they *are* Senshi, not "Scouts") were picked off one-by-one in the immediately previous ep.
[referencce to Zoisite's sex change due to hes]
Actually, the season they stopped with was the second season (Sailor Moon R). The series they durst not go on to was the third, Sailor Moon S.
It's Neptune and Uranus that're lovers, and in fact, I don't know if the anime ever comes right out and says it (just teases around the issue), though I think the manga gets specific, and in any case Naoko Takeuchi (Sailor Moon's cartoonist creator) has come out and said it in interviews. Moreover, while all three of the Outer Senshi are technically female, Uranus wears her hair short and, in her secret identity as not-so-mild- mannered motorcyclist Haruka Ten-ou, usually dresses in "masculine" attire.
I take it back -- whoever told you these things already pulled the other one. Mamoru's nickname for Usagi is "odango atama" -- traditionally rendered "dumpling head" (odango are a kind of rice dumpling). In my weirder moods (which is most of the time), I've taken to translating "odango atama" as "riceball head" -- the best of both worlds (or the worst, depending how anti-dub you are).
Sure, we all do. And if I've gotten any of this wrong, I'm sure anyone on AFSM who cares enough can help me out.
On 19 May 1999 13:45:03 GMT, [email] (Austin Loomis ) schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
There is very little blood in the series. Civilians are killed in the manga at times, but I can't recall any dead innocents in the anime.
No...each series is one "season", although Japan really doesn't have television season. I guess you may be considering the Ail/Ann arc of R a separate series, but it isn't.
No, the anime is more specific than the manga. The manga Haruka kisses Usagi, though.
There's no "technically" about it; although Haruka (Uranus) often dresses in suits and other "male" clothes, she is a woman.
The joke is that her name, "Usagi", means "Bunny".
You really shouldn't rant at something you don't know a lot about (this is to the original poster, not Austin)
-Chris
Santa: They still living...as you know I can......(singing) see when you sleeping......I know when you are weak...I now when you been bad or good....Been good for GOOD SAKE. (From Dr. Thinker's "Sailor Moon meets Father Christmas")
I hereby apologize for the large number of stupid things I said regarding Sailor Moon. I should have checked my facts before blowing off at the mouth.
I have always found the "kid's stuff" attitude toward animation in the US as a whole offensive (even Mickey Mouse deserves more respect than that), and I suppose that that made me more gullible than I ought to have been in regards to claims of the alleged misediting of a series I don't know well. Also, I suspect I must have misheard or misunderstood some of the genuine issues at hand, or perhaps confused them with other series that were similarly mishandled.
What it comes down to is that I was willing to believe just about *anything* negative about US treatments of anime series, and have made an ass of myself for it. I regret having wasted everyone's time with this.
In the UK it's worse than that, science fiction is treated as kids stuff too here. Even Buffy hasn't escaped this attitude - it's been sanitised by the BBC so it can be shown in a 6:45pm slot where children can watch it.
And as people will already know, Daria is being edited by Channel 5, again presumably to make it suitable for younger children.
It's not all bad though, Channel 4 have had a number of late night animation seasons showing excellent work from all over the world, much of which has definitely been unsuitable for children. They also used to show Beavis & Butthead in a late night slot, and currently show South Park at 9:30pm (hopefully uncut).
Has Akira been screened in the US? It was shown here a few years ago, and I thought it was an incredibly good film regardless of genre, and certainly the best anime I'd seen. They also ran the 3x3 Eyes series a year or two ago.
I know Akira's been released to video, but I don't think it's been shown in theatres. 3x3 Eyes is also out on video. The same is true for many anime series- exceptions to this are Sailormoon, Dragonball Z and Pok�mon, all of which have had episodes edited/cut completely. I know there have been a few other series, too, though they escape me at the moment.
They removed all instances of the word "bollocks" from the Depth Takes A Holiday episode, which was understandable given that this was not a late night programme, but they also removed the whole "Gah- gah-dammit" song from Daria! The Musical, which I find more surprising. It would seem that although the odd "dammit" is acceptable (it was left in elsewhere in the episode), a whole string of them used repeatedly throughout a song was considered beyond the pale.
On importation to the UK, US children's programmes tend to fall foul of the fact that words have different meanings here. Thus ITV felt obliged to cut the song "Shake your whammy fanny" from a Sabrina episode, as "fanny" means "cunt" in the UK. Similarly one infamous episode of Clarissa Explains It All was heavily edited in the UK as Clarissa used the word "bloody" several times. Apparently this is not considered a swear word in the US, but it is here, as is "bollocks" (=testicles), although I would say all these words are considered less offensive than "fuck", "cunt", etc. However as you can imagine, explicit references to genitalia are not considered appropriate on children's tv here, and rightly or wrongly, programmes like Daria, Sabrina, etc. are considered children's shows by UK broadcasters.
On Mon, 17 May 1999 08:21:48 -0700, [email] (Michelle Klein-Hass) wrote:
Yep. I knew this. What's odd is that the local usage is more playfully than mean. In Japan its a rather stinging insult, AFAIK, but here (Berkeley) its sort of a compliment.
<snip> (You knew that I'd want to talk about the side note, didn't you?)
Ah, but one of the simple pleasures in life is watching the manager of a baseball team call the umpire a cocksucker to make sure that he gets thrown out of the game. <g> That's the one verboten name you can never call an umpire. <vbg> Personally, I prefer pigf***er to refer to those people that royally piss me off-- it's a more despicable visual, IMO. <g> It's a shame that the folks in SF can't take pride in their native expletives-- it seems like such an affectation to use the British swear words. (Unless, of course, you're British, in which case it's perfectly acceptable.)
What's really interesting is that as soon as the FCC allowed the word "ass" on broadcast TV, the word now has absolutely no shock value. Rats.
Another really nice Russian phrase is sukasen, which roughly translates to "sonofabitch." My Russian teacher was really cool. <g> There's also an old Allgauer phrase, which is actually a rather famous historical person's name from the middle ages (but which escapes me now) which means "bite my ass." If anybody can remember the guy's name, please let me know... I know it's something like Gert von Hellingen, or something like that (I probably butchered it.)
On Mon, 17 May 1999 17:20:22 GMT, [email] (paperpusher) wrote:
Well, its mostly used either when more obvious cursing will get you fired/arrested/beaten with a tire iron/etc., or else when its only a very minor matter and using the affected version sounds much funnier (as in "Oh bugger, I dropped the screwdriver again").
I can see your point... although I guess it's a little different in the South--we like to savour our expletives. It's not "shit!" it's "sheee-it!" and so on... I won't go into all of the gory details. <g> I prefer to curse in foreign languages m'self when discretion is required. (Although I guess some might consider British English to be a foreign language here in the States. <g>)
just back from the cinema at 3:30 am, rich. (yes, the movie's worth the $8. go see it now. didn't you hear me??NOW!)
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my Amerrican friend asked me what "bugger" meant once lol... my french friend asked me last week what "dyke" meant after someone called her that lol... i wish it was true sometimes lol.. most of the time in fact lol
Subject header changed from "Re: DTAH on c5 - spoiler #303" 'cos I don't think there's any spoilers here. 8-)
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You're not alone....
I took part in an outdoor pursuits type of course in the Brecon Beacons in winter, and one of the participants was a (West) German soldier who'd been seconded on to the course for whatever reason. It was a fairly demanding course, and ample occasions for discomfort gave him an opportunity to teach us some German without even trying. By the end of the course, every single participant had exclaimed at least once something that sounded like "Shyster!"
And to this day if I'm in a wilderness environment and things go pear-shaped, it's the first word that pops into my mind. I still don't know what it means, though my guess is that it's German for "merde."