If any one has any nudes of Daria and her friends please Post.
Does Any One Have Nudes Of Daria
S03E01 Daria!retroMar 11, 200013 months later166 posts by 40 posters
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In article , Mullins wrote:
ask on alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.cartoons.original-art, or a.b.p.e.cartoons. A number of people do erotic fan-art :)
Your Pathetic!
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And he is pathetic because ? Actually MSB did some and they where good (ok I'm no artist so anythings good compared to what I do :) ), sorry don't have the URL, I'm sure someone round here does tho :). MSB's pictures where also quite arty, it really ticks me off how people seem to think that Nude == prono, there is absolutely nothing wrong with nudness, actually I don't see a problem with porn either, but if you don't like it then the simple solution is don't look at it.
Phill, who is off for a couple (probably more), much needed beers tonight.
http://www.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/~benkmann/artwork/index.html
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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I knew someone cold supply it :)
Phill.
I just think there is somthing really pathetic about fantasizing about a Cartoon, and I make no apologies for that position!
Maybe he should fantasize about the Queen Mother for a while then go find a real girl friend!
Gah, Gah, Damnit
Who said the person was gonna fantasize? Prudish pile of shit. Stimpy spits on you.
Stimp
I'm about ready to collapse now so I'm posting one thing:
Stimphole wrote:
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!!! I'm so glad a troll's back so I can have a target!!!!!!!!!
Listen you dickwad, he was just expressing an OPINION. You get it, moron? An OPINION. And if you think that's a "prudish pile of shit", you obviously don't know me, Queen of Prude. I'm fucking PROUD of it, btw. I wear that distinction with honor. And if your limp little maggot-infested dick of a personality could understand that you'd be much better off.
LI
On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:44:17 GMT, "Contentious Objector" wrote:
Let me first say that I understand and respect your opinion on the subject.
However, I would like to know the difference between fantasizing about a cartoon and fantasizing about a real human being. Is fantasizing about a real person somehow more valid because s/he is flesh and blood? Is it anymore pathetic to fantasize about say, Britney Spears, than it is to fantasize about a cartoon character? Both are equally unavailable and are equally part of a person's imagination and fantasy. Does the three-dimensional factor really make that huge of a difference?
Cheers, Nicole Lee
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny..." -- Isaac Asimov
"No, no, no, Lisa. If adults don't like their jobs, they don't go on strike. They just go in every day and do it really half-assed." -- Homer Simpson
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Nicole Lee said:
Not really. Indeed, one should consider that a character played by a live actress *isn't* the actress, any more than Daria is Tracy Grandstaff. Furthermore, even when an actress is being interviewed, she frequently says whatever she thinks will advance her career, rather than reveal her real personality. This is *more* the case with pop idols like Britney Spears (who get fantasized about the most) than with competent than minor actresses like Ms. Grandstaff, incidentally.
Daria is as "real" as any of the characters on *Dawson's Creek* (and IMHO better written). Fantasizing about her makes as much or as little sense as fantasizing about any other fictional person.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
Jordan S. Bassior wrote in message news:[email]...
And what does it do to the fantasiser's attitudes towards women?
Martin.
Martin Sylvester said:
I have absolutely no idea, as compared to fantasizing about characters played by live actresses. My point was simply that cartoon characters are every bit as "real" (which is to say, *un*-real) as any other fictional characters ... in other words, I don't think the medium is all that relevant. It was an aesthetic point, not a moral one.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
Jordan S. Bassior wrote in message news:[email]...
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I appreciated your point, Jordan. I wasn't taking issue with your post, but rather adding to it, and opening up a new dimension in the discussion by asking a consciously provocative question. 8-)
Martin.
I do think, though, that what makes Daria attractive is more her personality than she looks. She's physically attractive in her own way, of course, but if you want sex appeal you'd go for Brittany.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
Speak for yourself Jane has more in that department the Brittany and her Wonderbra do.
Cosmo Newanda Hey, why am I the only one here with no clothes on?-SiP
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:01:15 -0000, "Martin Sylvester" wrote:
I'm not sure really. There are probably some fantasizers who view women as nothing more than a pair of tits and ass, and there are probably those who see beyond that. Many men fantasize about all sorts of women, so there isn't a clear cut answer to that.
That said, I'm sure there are also plenty of women who fantasize about certain fictional men (Eg. I'm sure there are Trent fantasies somewhere out there...). Whether that says anything about their attitude towards men, I don't know either. And I haven't even mentioned the fantasies that women have about other women, and/or the fantasies that men have about other men.
IMO, as long as you don't hurt anyone, you're free to fantasize about anything you like.
"Rampant fantasizing throughout the land! Next, on Sick Sad World!"
Cheers, Nicole Lee
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny..." -- Isaac Asimov
"No, no, no, Lisa. If adults don't like their jobs, they don't go on strike. They just go in every day and do it really half-assed." -- Homer Simpson
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Well, if you think women are like Daria, that might be more respectful than thinking they're like the members of "Dawson's Creek". Less realistic, unfortunately.
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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Dagny said:
I've known a few who were more like Daria than the more common TV stereotypes. Present company included.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
My only objection to this whole nude Daria thing is that she's not 18 yet (is she?). That's naughty! Er, actually I guess as long as you're fantasizing you could always fantasize that she's 18. Personally I have to say those pictures didn't do anything for me, either aesthetically or uh... the other thing. Fantasizing is really annoying to me, because I have to imagine a whole scenario wherby sexual intercourse can become possible. For me this is easier to do with people who are three-dimensional and even easier when I've actually seen them in person. Easiest of all is if you know them really well, but then afterwards it can be awkward speaking to them again:
"Hey uh, that was really great having sex with you last night... um, I mean it was nice seeing you at that party the other night." "Excuse me?" "Nothing, nothing. Freudian slip." "A Freudian slip is when you accidentally subsitute one word for another that sounds like it, and it's supposed to be a momentary slip-up of the ego in keeping the id in check, allowing unconscious desires or feelings to be expressed unintentionally by the speaker." "Your point being?" "You just said something about having sex with me and then paused for three whole seconds, and then mumbled something about the party the other night. That's not a Freudian slip, that's just insane." "Look, are we going to have sex or not? 'Cause neither one of us is getting any younger just standing here." "Actually, no, I have to go now. Thanks for the offer though, it's very sweet of you to offer me your body like that. Why don't you call me sometime when the medication wears off and you regain some kind of grip on reality?"
(What? I'm bored!)
[email] (Michael Pierry) wrote in :
Well here in the UK, it is quite leagal to have sex at 16...so less of a problems as Daria is supposed to be 17 I believe, Quinn OTOH is 15, so yes that would be a problem.....
<Beavis> Booooooiiiiinnnnnngggggg !!!! </Beavis>
Sorry could not resist :)
Depends on how active an imagination you have.....which for me is not normally a problem :)
I suppose......
Heehhhehe but my friends expect me to be mad so that for me is not a prob either....though I nevevr slipped up like that :)
Phill.
I think the age of consent here is 16, but you can't buy or take part in pornography until you're 18. I don't know why that is, actually.
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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Yeah actually it is the same in the UK.....at 16 you can get yourself a partner of the opposite sex (gays/lesbians have to wait till 18, why I have no idea because in some ways this involves less risk than straight sex :) ), and do whatever comes natural, but you have to do it with the lights out because it is illeagal to watch :) It is pretty stupid actually, probably stems from when the age was 18 or 21 and they adgusted one down but not the other.....
Phill.
We just had something weird come out of Michigan in the last month or two... a 20-something guy was dating a 17-year-old girl, and having consensual sex with her, even to the point of no objections from her parents (don't know whether they were engaged or not...)
Anyhoo, the guy got arrested for child pornography because he took some nude photos of her, with her consent (she admitted she agreed to it in court!). The way the Michigan law reads, is that it is an offense to use any materials brought across state lines in the production of child pornography. The photo paper was made out-of-state, so he was automatically guilty.
Really strange... kinda remids me of all those porn movies that Traci Lords made while she was 14 and 15 years old... as far as I'm concerned, those are NOT kiddie porn, because the girls knew DAMN well what she was doing!
Well, in our society is minor is considered to not be able to reliably know whether they're being exploited or not. This makes sense for little kids ... I don't care whether a 7-year-old "agrees" to have sex (take pictures, whatever) or not, an adult who puts them in that position is still a perv and belongs in jail.
Whether this distinction is really meaningful for teenagers is a different question. To some extent it is ... I don't want 16 year olds in bordellos, even in areas where prostitution is legal. Likewise I don't think we as a society have a compelling need for 15 year old strippers or (sorry) porn stars. On the other hand, when pornography is being produced strictly for private use between two persons of legal age, there's a serious right-to-privacy question that comes up.
It gets even weirder. In many places you can marry (with parental consent) at a significantly younger age than is legal for non-marital sex. In such cases a husband taking pictures of his underaged-but-legal wife is subject to child porn prosectution. I remember reading that this actually happened, I think in Canada. This is, of course, extremely troubling.
Chris McCubbin said:
This was probably also the case in Michigan. In most states, 17-year-olds can marry with parental consent. (In fact, I think the age of marriage with parental consent is as low as 14 in a couple of states).
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
Other than Afghanistan and Alabama where the hell do 14 yearold's get married?
Contentious Objector said:
I think West Virginia or Kentucky was the other state. Um, not that many actually *do* get married at 14, it was just legal with parental consent.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
Contentious Objector wrote:
In parts of Africa (i've forgotten where exactly) , it is common for an 8 year old girl to become betrothed.She may not have intercourse until she starts menstruation (12). There are hospitals filled with young girls who have had damage done due to pregnancy at an early age. i.e. ruptured bladder and other nasty things. It's really sad.
In article , "<Affinity>" < [email]> wrote:
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pregnancy at an
Could this be a result of Western interference? Unless I'm mistaken, earlier sexual maturation in children is (at least partially) due to improvements in nutrition. Perhaps in this case, food imported or donated from other countries is causing girls to menstruate at a younger age, when their bodies just can't handle a pregnancy. And the men don't know that what they're doing is wrong, they are simply following tradition. What do you think?
On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:20:38 GMT, "Contentious Objector" wrote:
It's legal in Alberta. It's probably also common in most pre-industrial societies, assuming they have formal marriages.
One of the things that all societies have in common is formal marriage ceremonies or legitimization to some degree or another. The elaborateness of ceremonies or details of at what age they may be performed vary widely, of course, but formal marriage is one of the universal characteristics of society.
--J.
Ray Pelzer said:
whether
That's really horrible. What's worse is that 17 is probably over the age of consent in Michigan, so he probably wasn't even aware that he did anything illegal. Even if the judge is sane enough to give him a suspended sentence, this poor guy is going to have a felony conviction hanging over his head for the rest of his life (which among other things is going to blight both his future and his girlfriend's, assuming they stay together).
It's law enforcement like this, at the same time that known murderers serve only a few years for their crimes, that make me despair as to the sanity of our system sometimes.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
No I didn't think so, but I will share it anyway,
I suppose Governor Engler could give him clemency and a pardon but I kinda doubt he would do that, he doesn't seem bound by any sort of logic. Did anyone in Michigan actually vote for him? Did anyone vote period? How the hell does a guy like that get elected to Public office?
This reminds me of a dumb thing that happened here in Canada a number of years ago, I would have been in grade 7, Basically a group of girls decided to take some Polaroid's of each other and give them to their boyfriends, I think they were 13-14, Okay, Inappropriate, but harmless kids stuff, well it seems the parents of one of the boys found the pictures and called the police, the girls admitted exactly what they did, and I doubt they knew they were doing something wrong, This really shouldn't have left the families, well the local juvenile crown prosecutor decided to prosecute the girls with production of child pornography, they were convicted, and sentenced to one hour of probation by the judge who saw this for the harmless teeny BS it was now these girls are forever considered pedophiles.
See, Canadians can be just as absurdian as Americans, fortunately because of the Young Offenders Act their names are kept secret and this was only covered by the local media in the vaguest fashion.
However, if it turns out this guys girlfriend is a cartoon, I say fry him, I know Michigan hasn't executed anyone since 1846 but cartoon perverts must be killed!
The Contentious Objector
On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 01:11:23 GMT, "Contentious Objector" wrote:
Because the alternative was insane, loudmouthed, bombastic lawyer Geoffrey "I Luv Dr. Death" Fieger. In this case, it was the lesser of two evils (but not by much, admittedly).
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http://www.lawndale.net -OR- http://systech.simplenet.com/daria/Contentious Objector said:
The *very* worst I'd call this would be "sleazy", but "sleazy" shouldn't be actionable at law.
The parent who called the police was making a *major* mistake. Among other things, the *boys* could have been prosecuted for possession of child pornography ... ooh! ... if you take a picture of *yourself* naked, and don't show it to anyone, can you still be prosecuted for "production of child pornography" if you're underage? And what about all those artistic photos of nude chubby little babies?
At a minimum, I rather suspect this soured the friendship between that guy and that girl.
I personally think the judge should have just refused to hear the case. Why even waste court time on this nonsense? What's next ... sexual harassment suits for boys who kiss girls in school? (Oh wait, that already happened).
Yes, but only in a cartoon electric chair :)
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 05:53:47 GMT, Michael Pierry wrote:
Where I live, the age of consent is 16. But it doesn't really matter. I don't place worldly restrictions on my imagination.
That would be pathetic. If you feel guilty for your own thoughts, you need a therapist. The whole point in fantasizing is trying out things you would never want in real life. Anonymous studies show that many (most?) normal people have weird/perverted/sick sexual fantasies sometimes. A lot of people have very extreme S&M fantasies even though they don't enjoy enduring or inflicting pain. It's like playing the game Carmageddon. Millions do it but they'd never go out and kill real people.
So your point is that you lack imagination. That is sad. I guess you have to stick with porn movies that relieve you of the burden of creating your own scenario. My position is the exact opposite. I'm the creative type. I enjoy building the scenario, imagining conversations and the whole surroundings much more than what you would probably call "the good part".
You seem to have a serious problem. Even in your own mind you are bound by the rules of the society you grew up in. You should not let real life considerations dictate your thoughts. It's enough if they dictate your actions. If you can't be free in your own mind, what freedom do you have then?
MSB
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I read this article on school violence for Psychology that suggested violent fantasies/ones played out in video games may decrease likelihood of actual violence. Before listening to Rammstein was a sin, we went to a German class at Aquinas where this guy said he listened to Rammstein doing Physics and Calculus... anyway, he said that was an outlet, too. And I think sexually it works in very much the same way (as opposed to being repressed...)
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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Yeah I have found, personally at least that if I'm really wound up with someone or something a couple of hours on Doom/Quake/Carmageddon/whatever violent game will actually help, because it helsp release that anger in a way that doesn't hurt anyone. Not doing this can lead to the anger or whatever building up inside youto the point where it can trigger a crazed killing spree in real life......which we wouldn't want to happen, so yes I could very well believe that games/videos like that actually have a positive effect.....but as usual their critics are looking for a scapegoat, something to blame, because they don't want to face real facts.....but I'll leave it as an exersise to the reader to discuss :)
Phill.
Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:
Playing violent computer games, (first person shooters) often helps with my anger too. Kind of a cathartic experience. Conversely, if i am playing terribly, i can get even more frustrated.
"" wrote:
Hells yeah. You should see me playing one of those games. I yell at them to die ("Die you alien piece of crap!") and then when they do I go, "HA! I killed you! I'm better than you! I win, I win, you're dead!" Something like that.
Michael Pierry wrote:
Ha!!, at least your not as bad as the people i have know who have literally broken key boards.
"die, you stupid piece of shit", usually works for me too.
[email] (OUTDAMNSPAM) wrote in :
Well I use both here and at home one of those nice clunky old IBM keyboards and those things are pretty bomb proof....and heavy, don't drop one on your foot, it hurts !
Well in Quake I have keys bound to :-
"Fartknocker" "Wussie" "You're going down soldier boy"
and the like so I kan just hit 1 key for the taunts (B+B fans *should* recognise them :) ).
Phill.
[email] (OUTDAMNSPAM) wrote in :
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Yeah I can agree with that :) usually if I get to that stage I'll stop playing for a bit and go throw myself into something else :) or change games...heheh played so much Wolfenstein now that I can complete most of the episodes on the hardest level without saving and getting 100% kills.....yeah I know that's sad :) but it does releive the stress a bit to go on a rampage with the chain gun :)
Phill.
Of course that happens with any games, not just violent ones. Anyone here ever play Free Cell (it's a card game I have on my computer)? That game is slowly tearing away at the remaining shreds of my sanity. Just... totally... frustrating.
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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"Dagny Scott" wrote in message news:[email]...
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Frankly, I find Free Cell to be far too elementary. I might not get the puzzle solved on the first try but I usually can find a solution if I keep at it. I only play it when I'm tired and need some mindless entertainment.
Right now I've started investigating chess. I wanted to learn it as a child but could never find anyone to play with so I gave up on it. Now, with online games and computer competitors there are more resources available than ever so I've started trying to learn the game.
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Oh yeah, that one can be very trying espcially because you can end up losing without even knowing why you lost. It does get a little easier once you've got the hang of it ;)
BTW, I tried once to play it with a regular deck of cards and it seemed more tolerable
Mike Quinn [email]
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I can say that I've *NEVER* won at freecell, ok maybe once, guess I'm just no good at card games....though I can normally win about 50% of the time at solitare.....humm my mother who only recently started using computers again...built her a PC, can beat FC most of the time dunno what this says :)
Phill.
Dagny Scott wrote:
You want frustrating? Try Chip's Challenge (a puzzle game with something like 148 levels that came with the original Windows Entertainment Pack). You don't know the meaning of the word "frustrating" until you try some of the harder levels. Like "Blobdance". Or <<shudder>> "Jumping Swarm". |-{�>
MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
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Bamse Brakar wrote:
*shudder* eeeeeeeewwwwwwww. I played that game. its a vile evil thing! I got to level 80 and i cant get out of that damned 'Vanishing Act'!! Does anyone have the password to get to the next level? Id actually like to see whats beyond level 100.
~Mockybird 'Goodbye stakes, hello flying fatality' ~Buffy Summers TVS
MockyBird wrote:
SCWF. But the next level is "Writer's Block", which I remember as being *much* harder than "Vanishing Act" (which I don't recall as being particularly difficult). Actually, "Writer's Block" isn't so bad, it's just one of those long, boring, block-pushing levels that make your wrist sore. Beware level 87, "Cityblock", though. It's another block-pushing level, but one where you make one tiny mistake, and you're f$%*ed! I eventually had to cheat and go to one of the webpages dedicated to Chip's Challenge to get the solution. I actually ended up having to do that for a lot of them. %-{)>
Why Level 101 (Apartment) of course! A pretty infuriating level if you don't have a map, actually.
MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
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"'Thin Thighs For Your Man.' But I don't *like* men with thin thighs" --Daria
N.P.:"Rain of Tears"- M a r g e L i t c h / R i n g O f T r u t h
Maybe I'm extremely prudish, but these are the ways I use to unwind after a long and stressful day:
- the Internet
- listening to music
- watching my music videos
- watching my regular videos (i.e. movies)
- watching a select few TV shows
- taking a nap
- looking at my scrapbooks
Nothing the Christian Coalition or Pat Robertson would look down on, except for maybe some of things I like to watch or listen to.
(mutters something about having the life of a model teenage girl in the '50s)
LI
Lady Interference wrote:
For me, it's sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll!!!
Umm, except for the sex. And the drugs (unless you count cold medicine). And I listen to all kinds of pop music, only some of which counts as rock 'n' roll.
Jeg7777 wrote:
<snip>
<Church Lady> Well, isn't that SPECIAL? </Church Lady>
*snicker* So it really boils down to No Sex, No Drugs, and MOR Rock & Roll, then, eh? ;)
My my you live an exciting life. I don't know how you handle your exciting life. </monotone>
LI (now *your* life's the pinup model life for the model '50s teenager too! *wink*)
just drugs (prescription only, and specifically for de-stressing purposes) and rock and roll for me then. haven't been laid for 3 months, little embodiment of purity that i am. *cough*
On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:06:33 +0000, "endless, nameless" wrote:
*NOTHING* in pop music counts as rock'n'roll. Rock'n'roll was the Beatles, Elvis, Buddy Holly. And a bit of woodstock. You might be thinking of Rock (without the roll,) but even then still very little pop counts.
Do you know how sexy that sounds?
endless, nameless wrote:
In that case drugs are a part of my life too...'xcept they're to help my ovaries and all.
I don't know whether you'd consider what I listen to as "rock and roll". I guess the most rocking thing I listen to is Bad Religion. Or maybe Elastica. Or maybe Japan. Or Roxy Music. Or Pulp. But Bad Religion is more *punk* than anything else. And Elastica, Japan, Roxy Music, and Pulp generously use(d) synthesizers.
<stereotypical Catholic schoolgirl> I'm an angel. I'm a virgin! </stereotypical Catholic schoolgirl>
(yeah, that's right...and 21 years old too...damn...my parents would be happy to note that though...and that's good...don't want to make the 'rents angry 'cos they've got tempers of fire...)
LI
i've had someone offering to buy from me the venlafaxine i didn't take (because it made me ill).. i said ok, so long as he didn't come crying to me when he couldn't walk, sleep or eat for 3 days. ;) and most drugs in that category have "abnormal ejaculation" as a possible side effect too. ;)
that's not actually the image of the stereotypical catholic schoolgirl i had in my mind... ;)
my dad thinks i'm a slut.. not sure where he got that idea from, i think it's just him projecting his personality onto me. :p
On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:30:22 GMT, Lady Interference wrote:
Punk *is* Rock. That's why they call it Punk Rock.
Punk + Synths + Gloom = Goth. Metal + Synth = Industrial.
Anything else that's heavy on the synths is just techno.
Gotcha beat by 3 years.
Glenn Olson wrote:
No, you can have soft rock, hard rock, etc. The Punk in Punk Rock is usually there to denote a sense of crassness, a notational and lyrical simplicity which is effective in so much as adding an unpolished dirty intensity.
Well no, if your going to label, there's ambient, drum and base, trance... all using synths butvery different from each other, and not what i would call techno.
<Affinity> wrote:
I don't know where this leaves Bad Religion then, as their lyrics are/were (don't know if they broke up or not) very complex and intellectual. Example: learned about the word "antithetic" from a Bad Religion song. Duran were influenced heavily by punk and in some songs sound very punk-ish, but even at that early stage they were crafting lyrics like "pretty flowers in the shuttermaze" and "the man is searching for the door and you run".
Never thought of it that way. Love the goth scene.
I guess that's why KoRn seems a bit industrial. They've got that very heavy metal-y sound going, and they've got the synth thing going. (Can't say anything bad about them...Jonathan Davis is a huge Duranie....)
(furiously taking down notes)
It's been said that modern-day electronica (of all kinds) wouldn't be here without the guiding presence of modern rock synthesists like Nick Rhodes. That is cool.
LI
On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:52:00 GMT, Lady Interference wrote:
Same with the Dead Kennedys and Operation Ivy. All three bands are punk, IMHO.
Journey and Faith No More are Industrial?
As far as I know (not very far) Korn is Metal. Metal had to do some strange things to survive the 90's. Even If it meant stealing sounds from Industrial or Hip-hop.
I've NEVER heard that. Modern electronica would easily be here without Nick Rhodes. The influence of Kraftwerk was too big to be ignored.
On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:37:40 -0500, Shinichiro Ohta wrote:
Dunno. Can't think of anything by them. If you had to label them, though, what would *you* call em?
Hip-metal. Kinda like Rage Against the Machine, only less extreme.
Guess that makes em metal under the "Category/subcategory" paradigm, though.
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 03:00:56 -0600, Glenn Olson wrote:
Now that I think about it Journey were more Hard Rock than they were Metal and FNM's sound was too eclectic to be called Metal. In my defense, if you get MTV2 and watch any of their A-Z video countdown you'll see plenty of Metal bands that use synths. None of those bands were very good or memorable but they were out there.
Bands like Ministry and KMFDM kind of blurred the line between Metal and Industrial but they still stuck with the usual Industrial formula; industrial noises (metal on metal, drills, jackhammers, etc.) along with very repetitive and mechanical rythyms.
Either way, I agree, It's all just Rock & Roll.
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:50:48 -0500, Shinichiro Ohta wrote:
Don't get MTV2.
Were they heavy on the synths, or were the synths more incidental?
Shinichiro Ohta wrote:
Actually, more AOR, a la Asia. At least in the Steve Perry years, where they pretty much invented the "power ballad". Ouch!
Since when couldn't metal be eclectic? I'd still call it metal.
Yeah. Metal + synths=prog metal. Exception: Dream Theater=hair metal + synths.
MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:42:37 +0930, "<Affinity>" wrote:
It's still all rock.
Bah. Mere subcategories of Techno, functionally indistinguishable to the layman.
Subcategories are valid labels, if you're into labelling. But if you are, don't forget about the prime category just because it shot off a whole wad of subcategories. Else you couldn't call both Eminem and Will Smith rappers.
On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:43:23 GMT, Lady Interference wrote:
Those aren't prudish things to do; I do those things too.
<vent>
What, 20 year olds aren't having fun if they aren't going out to night clubs or drinking alcohol or having lots of sex? What kind of screwed up definition is that?
No offense to those who do indulge in such activities. It's perfectly fine of course. But to make a generalization that if someone doesn't do these things means they're somehow "uncool" is just bullshit. I'm just sick of people thinking that all college kids are somehow indulgent little brats who care more about how they're going to get laid than their next report card.
If being uncool means having a 3.95 GPA, I'll take it any day.
</vent>
Ahh... Just needed to let go.
Cheers, Nicole Lee
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny..." -- Isaac Asimov
"No, no, no, Lisa. If adults don't like their jobs, they don't go on strike. They just go in every day and do it really half-assed." -- Homer Simpson
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:01:05 GMT, [email] (Nicole Lee) wrote:
My list is almost the same. Of course "the Internet" can mean a lot of things <eg>.
No, it isn't!
Well said. I've been in college for over 3 years now and I've never been to any party. I don't care about getting laid and I've been drunk exactly once and that was an experiment in the safety of my own room (NO it wasn't because I turned 21). I don't even eat at the cafeteria. I avoid every part of "college spirit" that is avoidable. MSB
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Why not?
On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:21:06 GMT, Michael Pierry wrote:
'Cause I say so :-) MSB
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Good answer! I can't argue with that! :P
Nicole Lee wrote:
Yeah, all right! :)
*snif* I love you man!!!
At any length, I wasn't expressing my own personal opinion, just am kinda gun-shy about things like that as it seems like in today's society it's expected that college students do a lot more than that to "unwind". The wildest thing I've ever done period in my life was go to Dallas to see a band I've been hugely obsessed with since 1991. That and ride some of the rides at Six Flags Fiesta Texas.
btw -- congrats on the GPA. I don't have that high a level GPA but I've managed to keep my scholarship up.
Thank you so much for voicing bits of stuff that had been running through my head, dearie.
LI
On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:38:20 GMT, Lady Interference wrote:
Gosh, I'm actually loved. You like me, you really like me!
Tell me about it. It's not so bad here in the US where I don't really have that many social contacts. Back in Kuala Lumpur, pretty much everyone I know who's 20 and single are out partying the night away. Which wouldn't be so bad if some of them weren't into the drug scene as well. Malaysia is pretty much a decade behind the U.S. in most respects, and the "rave culture" has just decided to hit our shores full blast. Ecstasy, weed, you name it. And it isn't even a hidden underground thing anymore. The really scary thing is that it's *mainstream* now. Pretty much *any* club that wants some business allows it.
Dancing is fine. Drinking alcohol (in moderate amounts) is fine. Having fun is fine. But doing drugs? I don't think so.
You don't want to know the wildest thing I've ever done :)
Thanks. Let's not go into a "What's your GPA" thread though.. it tends to ostracize some people.
No problemo.
Cheers, Nicole Lee
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny..." -- Isaac Asimov
"No, no, no, Lisa. If adults don't like their jobs, they don't go on strike. They just go in every day and do it really half-assed." -- Homer Simpson
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Nicole Lee said:
I like you too, hee hee hee! :)
Which I guess would be most of your friends. Do you mean "single" as in "unmarried" or do you mean "unattached?"
That really sucks. Dangerous, too. I hope your friends are going to come through it all ok ...
I agree with you. Not only can drugs directly hurt you, they can indirectly hurt you in a lot of ways. (Some of which are the same ways that drinking to excess can hurt you, btw).
*waves hand* I do! I do! ;-)
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
Nicole Lee wrote:
I agree, i get pissed at this kind of mindset too. I feel like i've done my years of intense partying, im just notinterested in it anymore. I guess i got it out of my system young. Im sick of the whole deal of meeting people when intoxicated that i have nothing in common with except for the fact that im shitfaced too. I find the whole thing empty.
I'd much rather been seen as uncool, then have to force myself to like something that I don't.
On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:43:23 GMT, Lady Interference wrote:
Heh. Remove the scrapbook, and you pretty much got me.
Cept for the SaTANiC AD&D I play on occasion...
They didn't have Internet back then.
ARPAnet, maybe. But even then, only for military and choice researchers.
I was being facetious. Are you? It's so hard to tell from a newsgroup post!
Well, I probably do need a therapist, but not for something that silly! This wasn't meant to be a particularly serious post. I guess this just proves that I suck at comedy!
Not necessarily. It could be just stuff that you can't do in real life. When my available options for sexual pleasure consist solely of masturbation, I stick pretty much to squeezing my eyes shut and thinking really hard of a girl. Boring? Maybe, but it does the job for me.
Anonymous studies show that many (most?) normal
I don't really understand that. If you don't want to get beaten with a leather strap or something, why would you want to make believe it was happening to you? That's like meta-masochism or something! I dunno, I guess I'm just not very imaginative when it comes to sex, it pains me to admit. Most weird sex stuff isn't at all repulsive to me, it's just not interesting. I don't know why. It's how I am and that has never bothered me.
Quite the contrary. If you look at what I wrote, that conclusion simply does not follow. Are you just upset that I didn't like your pictures? Because I think they were very well done, they just weren't appealing to me, personally. You're certainly a better artist than I am. Please don't take all this the wrong way and think I'm only patronizing you. I'm just trying to be nice, I swear!
I guess you
I go through phases. Sometimes I look at porno, sometimes I only want to use my own imagination. Actually I usually still have to use my imagination because mostly what I do is surf around looking for pictures. I wouldn't say I look at porn movies with any kind of regularity. If I'm flipping channels and I come across something interesting, well hey, you know? But I've never paid money to see one. I try to live by Henry Rollins' credo: "Sex, drugs, and office supplies should never be paid for."
That's what I do. All I meant was that this is an annoyingly time-consuming process. Again, I'm being rather tongue-in-cheek here.
This phenomenon has absolutely nothing to do with society, rules, or societal rules. If you know someone, it's easier to imagine what they would say or do in a given situation. Also, it's easier to picture someone in your mind when you've actually seen them in real life. It's perfectly possible to have a fantasy about a cartoon but to me it doesn't seem as real. It's all a matter of degree. The degree to which a cartoon fantasy is separated from reality is higher than that of a fantasy about someone who is real, and so on. And reality is, I have to admit, my ultimate preference. As I said, those kinds of fantasies (i.e. sexual) are for me, just temporary substitutes when the real thing is unavailable for one reason or another. So they serve a strictly utilitarian purpose, I suppose. I've never really thought about it this much before. Simply put, I prefer to have fantasies which are at least remotely possible. This is more enjoyable to me. Ok, this is way too serious for me. My brain hurts now. Hope you're satisfied! :P
Nobody liked my little conversation, then? I thought it was pretty funny! Oh well, at least I amuse myself.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:31:46 GMT, Michael Pierry wrote:
The problem is that there really are people who believe the stuff you wrote in jest. As you said. It is hard to tell if someone's joking from a newsgroup post if someone doesn't include smileys.
Does the job? That's like going to a movie theatre and just watching ANY movie. Believe me, it really pays off to look at the program and pick a good one.
I can only repeat my computer games example. If you don't like killing people in real life, why do you do it on the computer? I don't really know.
That's a good word. I'll have to memorize it.
Tastes differ. And after all, there is much more to life than sex. I don't enjoy watching sports or talk shows, you don't enjoy fantasizing about weird sex. As long as the reason is not a feeling of guilt, it's perfectly ok.
Nope. I got enough positive feedback on my pictures to last a lifetime. It's just that your message made me believe you had been brainwashed by a puritan upbringing. THAT is something that upsets me. Glad to hear it was just a joke.
It is all a matter of technique and practice. If I ever get around to doing the making of piece that I've been planning for a long time, you'll see.
Don't worry. I am much too arrogant to think anybody _could_ be patronizing me ;-)
I have practically no visual memory. Maybe that explains why toon or real person doesn't matter to me. It's all reduced to a voice in my head (I have lots of those :-)
It is funny when you know that the person writing it is not really serious. But after hearing that American parents are frantically avoiding to be seen naked by their own children, I'm prepared to believe anything about puritan brainwashing going on. I was seriously convinced you were suffering from a bad condition of repressed sexuality. MSB
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[email] (MSB) wrote in :
Actually it was me that said that :) ok, I was one of the people who said that :)
<buzzcut> And we will definatly be spending a lot of time talking about MASTURBATION! </buzzcut>
hehehehe though it's not like they have the porno top ten on film 2000 (or whatever movie programs you have in your respective countries :), ok they don't here in the UK).
Helps relieve the frustration of modern life ? pretty much the same reason for masturbation most of the time. I spose it all comes down to what is going on in your head at the time :)
Yeah everyone has different tastes and opinions and that's how it should be providing you don't try and push those upon anyone else and make them aggree with you (not that I'm sugesting anyone here would).
Yes as I said before there is absolutely nothing at all wrong with nudity.
:)
As Pink Floyd said on "Dark Side Of The Moon" :-
"There's someone in my head but it's not me !"
Yeah people think you are mad when you answer those voices in your head, especially when you do it out loud :)
I never understood that, I mean we're all human right and we all have two arms, two legs (ok in general we do !), we all have the same bits under the clothes, and in some cases your imagination can make up far worse than what it has seen for cirtain. Hell I and my parents never went for this 'you should never be seen nude by each other thing' hell my mother and I don't have a problem even today, and I'm gonna be 31 on the 21st and she's in her 60's :) (ok that's prolly more info than the group needed but what the hell).
Phill.
Well then again, I am an American. And we are notoriously sexually hung-up. Hell, I *wish* my parents had frantically avoided letting me see them naked. I mean, who wants to see that, anyway? Yeesh.
This is all relative of course. I mean, is there anything inherently bad about being sexually repressed? Maybe, maybe not. I can't say I really see any qualitative difference. The only thing that really matters is one's personal level of comfort. As long as I'm not hurting anybody, and I'm not feeling uncomfortable or emotionally disturbed about anything, why should it matter to you or anyone else whether I'm repressed and to what degree? Culturally speaking, Americans might be less comfortable with nudity than other people, but can we make a value judgment that this is somehow "bad" or "good"? I don't think that necessarily follows. What you call "puritan brainwashing" is just your negative judgment based on your own cultural bias. You're as much the product of your culture as everyone else is of theirs. So therefore, neener neener.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:43:22 GMT, Michael Pierry wrote:
I would be willing to bet that the chance of being raped in the US is at least 10 times as high as in any European country. Anybody got statistics? And there is the big teen pregnancy problem. MSB
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MSB wrote:
Rape is not a sexual crime, it's a violent crime that stems from violent people (mainly men) who wish to control and hurt. Sex plays no part in it whatsoever. And teen pregnancy rates have nothing to do with any misconceived bit of "repressed" crap you guys think we Americans have. It's just a problem with the parenting. More parents these days are letting their kids get away with more things than their parents let them get away with, mostly because the parents of pre-pubescents and adolescents are mainly baby boomers coddled constantly by their parents and the rest of our society only to grow up greedy and lacking morals. Like over at this theme park I was at...most of the little girls were dressed in ways I couldn't imagine dressing like when I was 16...only a few were dressed similar to how I was dressed, and I was a little girl in the frickin' '80s.
(inhale, exhale)
LI
MSB wrote:
Ummmm...EXCUSE ME...I've never seen my parents naked and IT WOULD BE A FUCKING NIGHTMARE FOR ME TO SEE THEM THAT WAY. I don't consider myself repressed in any sense of the word. That is NOT repressed, that is called "respecting your elders" and having some decency. Also, I'm so busily thinking of other things that sex is often the furthest thing from my mind. Once again, I don't consider myself repressed in any sense of the word.
Geez.
LI
[email] (Lady Interference) wrote in :
I'm sorry I really don't see what the problem is with seeing them nude, you may not be repressed, but I'm sorry the ethos that "nudity is dirty" is *NOT* one I subscribe to. I do know that a lot of people are brought up this way, and if they have been then of course they will considder for example seeing other family members nude a bad thing. I have alwas been brought up that nudity is not bad, and so I don't see a problem with it.
Oh and for the record I have the greatest respect for my mother, she is one of my true friends as well as being a parent, and the same was true for my father whilst he was still alive....even if we didn't always see eye to eye :)
I dunno maybe my family is just strange...but we have the right to be how we are as long as we don't break any local laws (which as far as I can tell we never have !), and you have the right to be how you are.
You are of course entitled to your opinion, even if we choose to disagree. :)
Phill.
Your post sounded just like what I was thinking (even down to our late fathers). But I live in California (north, not LA!), so maybe us left- coasters are weird compared to the rest of the US. I have a subconscious nudity taboo, but I think it was induced by my peers, not by my upbringing, and I recognize it as irrational, just like my arachnophobia.
[email] (Phill Harvey-Smith) wrote in :
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Yeah I can understand that :) It's not like I would walk down the street naked, hehehe for a start the UK is too cold for that...and when it's not I sunburn :( but I guess the point was that with people that you trust and are secure with why not hell a few thousand years ago we'd have all been naked :) (ok, tha's only meant in a hlaf serious manner).
Phill....who wonders what he started as normal :)
Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:
Fine then, we'll agree to disagree. I'll try to respect your opinion on this from now on, without agreeing to it.
btw -- here in the States I think it'd be illegal to do what your parents and you have done...something about sexual abuse or something...for me it'd just freak me out...I don't want to see my parents in that manner and I don't want my parents to see me in that manner.
LI
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That's perfectly reasonable.
That always puzzels me because there is nothing sexual about it. Nudity != Sex (you'll get that you said you could read 'C' :) ). Out of interest have you been brought up to think that nudity is bad ? (you don't have to answere that if you don't want).
Phill.
It's not illegal to see your parents naked. Hell, they saw YOU naked a helluva lot when they were changing your diapers and giving you baths and stuff...
I mean, if I saw my parents naked right now, I'd point at them and laugh. I'd be like, "Gross, you're old!! Look at you, all wrinkly, ha ha ha!" And then they'd be like, "Yeah, well just wait 'til you're my age!"
So for me it wouldn't be, "oh my GOD it's my parents," it would be "oh my GOD I don't wanna look at old people naked!"
for me it'd just
I'd bet anything you were raised Catholic.
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Yeah exactly...so it's not like they havn't seen you before :) which is part of my philosopy :) I guess.....
Hehehehe
Ah I see what you mean now....makes a little more sense :)
No I wasn't actually raised in any religion....oh my family are for the most part basically Christian...but not really practising....and as for me dare I say it...I think of myself as a Pagan, which may help to explain some of my views on this subject.....oh and for the record I don't dnace naked in the woods.....only cause it's too cold in the UK :)
Phill.
That particular comment was actually directed toward Lady Interference.
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It was oh ok, sorry :) well you got my answer as well :)
Phill.
Michael Pierry wrote:
*giggles*
Baptized as a baby, brought up, confirmed...Roman Catholic.
I even survived purely Catholic school education.
Seeing as though I have no prizes to give away, how about getting a sliver of my guilt? ;)
LI
Wow, fully indoctrinated. Hotcha! Catholicism does interesting things to people... Frank Zappa was raised Catholic.
Mmmmmmm... guilt.
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So was Alanis Morrissette. My best friend from HS is Catholic...his family used to invite me to Sunday Mass all the time. They're interesting folks, Catholics...Unfortunately, I am not religious at all. I find religions interesting, as a whole, but there's just something inherently distasteful about people killing each other in the name of "Their God", which is why I am not part of an organized religion. I am SPIRITUAL, however.
<Forrest Gump> And that's all I'm gonna say about that. </Forrest Gump>
Six days and counting! (until I leave for Job Corps!)
Jess the Weird
[email] wrote:
Cool! *pause* Erm, what's Job Corps? (I should know this, really I should.)
*sigh* First she takes my "Jess from Oregon" status, and now it's my "Jess the Weird" status! Next I'll be finding out she has a yo-yo and a parrot. ;-) hehehe.
--J. (Catching up on hundreds of messages after being gone all week on spring break)
On the mountaintop, "Jessica M.L." spake thusly:
You know, this sucks. Everyone else has spring break and I have finals.
-Mindy
Mindy wrote in message news:[email]...
Not *everyone* else: I don't have spring break! 8-)
Martin.
On the mountaintop, "Martin Sylvester" spake thusly:
Yeah, but you don't have finals either. ;-)
-Mindy
finals.
I have GCSEs :( Five hours of revision a day throughout my Easter Hols, according to various authority figures....
I flee now... Greg
On the mountaintop, "Greg Pallis" spake thusly:
*comforts Greg*
-Mindy
[email] (Greg Pallis) wrote in :
Yeah I dimly rember those (ok in my day it was O levels, CSEs and 16+...which had just come in and was the predesessor of GCSE I believe...).
Heheheh I'm sure you'll do ok.
Phill.
Martin Sylvester of NRCDT
Me neither. But there again, in Britain people don't usually take their finals until they're at least 21...
-Shez.
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I think what Mindy is talking about is school finals....so our equivs would be GCSEs (or possibly A levels).
Phill.
Phill Harvey-Smith of Federal
I'm not sure it's possible to equivalise US and UK exam systems. I think maybe their SATs are similar to our SATs, but their purpose seems to be different, I think they use their SAT scores as a substitute for our GCSEs and A-Levels, whereas here SATs seem to be disposable things which just give an interim measure of progress until you take your real exams. Also in America sporting prowess seems to be considered an alternative indicator of academic ability, which is something I've never managed to get my head around.
-Shez.
...everybody look at the pencils go 'round...
Okay, coming out of my self-imposed sabbatical to answer this...here's a breakdown of some of the important US schoolkids' tests and what they mean so you will be able to discern for yourself...
"midterms" = exams taken in the middle of the term, or in the middle of the semester; usually reserved for upperclassmen in high school and lowerclassmen in college (erm, university) "finals" = final exams for a particular class; the grades gleaned from within are usually worth 20% of the class's semester grades, with 40% going to the total grade worth of each of the two quarters (or halves of a semester) (at least this is how my high school grades were figured) "SAT's" = a standardized national test taken by every high school junior/senior who plans on going on to college that's supposed to measure one's aptitude in math and english and thusly qualify them for a range of schools (erm, universities or colleges) "ACT's" = another standardized national test, this one's not mandatory for college-bound high schoolers like the SAT's are but it's more rigorous and its scores can land one into more prestigious schools (erm, I'm sure you know what I mean by this)
There are also... "PSAT's" = just what you might be guessing, the "pre-SAT's", designed to predict one's performance on the SAT's as well as entitle certain high scorers to recognition and/or scholarship under the "National Merit Scholar"/"National Hispanic Merit Scholar" program (I was a National Hispanic Merit Scholar and a finalist for the National Merit Scholarship) "high school entrance exams" = well, high school entrance exams. Every non-public high school-bound 8th grader has to pay some small fee like $10 in order to secure a seat to take this exam, which could not only gain the 8th grader approval for entrance into the specific school but also class positioning (e.g. whether one gets into the honors track or not) and possibly even little scholarships (I remember my high school entrance exam day...had Elton John's "The One" and Duran Duran's "Last Chance on the Stairway" stuck in my head at the same time...must've worked because I got in, got into honors track, and even got a scholarship)
And no, unlike some people's rantings, all athletes do NOT get a free ride on these types of things...in the low-performing school districts, yeah, but not in most public school districts (or else they would be exposed by local media and would then be publically humiliated) and all non-public school districts (because they don't *have* to keep the students on). I don't remember any of my athlete classmates getting to skip out on a test, quiz, major project, or anything else because they were athletes...the only things they got were delays in taking exams because of forced absence due to some tournament...and even then they ended up having to take a different exam before a specified date, after school. And in fact every athlete at my school was such because they wanted to play sports, not because they wanted a free ride scholastically. So please don't believe that load of bunk someone foisted on you.
*whew* That was long. Thank you for reading.
LI
Lady Interference wrote in message news:[email]...
Nice to see you posting.
Btw, idcrisis wasn't the only one to notice your absence; nor were you the only one whose absence I noticed! The group has been generally low-traffic over the past few days, with no posting from a number of regulars. I'm not going to list them! "Things go in cycles," was what I thought.
You've not said whether you've modified your view in the light of any replies to your "Why should I ever trust a male?" post. 8-)
Ah, seed of much confusion. Here, "finals" means the final exams in the last year of a degree course.
Similarly, if we hear a fellow Brit talking of graduating, we'll assume they mean gaining a degree.
Martin.
Martin Sylvester wrote:
You've noticed how dead the NG is too, eh? Well, there's only one thing to do... <IDC grabs a pair of shock paddles>
*CLEAR!* <POW!> ;7
Yeah, talk to us LI. Hell, feel free to go into bitch mode and flame me if you'd like, just let us know you still care. :)
-IdentityCrisis
[email] of Verio writes:
The trouble is that atd has got cluttered up by on-topic posts since series 4 started in the US. All this chatter about Daria is stifling the important discussions.
-Shez.
On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:32:20 +0100, Shez wrote:
:-)
Actually, I'm thinking that there is (or was) some problems with Usenet. I'm seeing messages come through where I work (via the Concentric.net news server) that I either don't get or get late at home (via the Ameritech.net news server). I don't think I'm alone, either, as I've seen others post similar observations in other newsgroups. Methinks Usenet is going through a slight adjustment at the moment; guess we just gotta wait it out.
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http://www.lawndale.net -OR- http://systech.simplenet.com/daria/On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:32:20 +0100, Shez wrote:
The sad thing is, I've only seen one episode this season. Stupid Friday night time slot.
Kyle, he who means well The Shane Andrews of alt.sports.baseball.chicago-cubs
i haven't watched it for ages. i don't watch much tv because i'm always on the computer. though now we have a tv thing on the new computer i suppose that will solve the problem. ;)
On 5 Apr 2000 00:05:18 GMT, herecomethehawks@hockeymail.....com (Kyle) wrote:
For me, it's stupid burglers robbing my parents' house. THEY TOOK THE CABLE BOX! And Media 1 is being rather slow about sending a replacement.
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<Beavis> Give those guys the chair, heh heh, the CHAIR! </Beavis>
Seriously though, people who steal and do that sort of thing should be severely punished for it. I hope they get caught and get the book thrown at them. That's just plain wrong, and they deserve any punishment they get. Hopefully nothing else of great monetary or sentimental value was taken from your parents.
A.J.
On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 06:56:11 GMT, [email] wrote:
<sigh>. They got quite a bit. It's a good thing they didn't take the guns (apparently they weren't interested in hunting rifles, and the pistol was at the bottom of a pile of junk). The VCR, a fair amount of cash, my brother's entire CD collection (ouch!), and, though they didn't touch any *other* Genisis games, THEY TOOK MY SHINING FORCE 2!
And to top it off, they also got some old pocketwatches that had belonged to my great-grandfather. We've been robbed before, but never have we lost so many personal things (the CDs, the watches, the cartridge...). I'm just glad they didn't touch my mom's collection of model pianos.
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That's the kind of stuff you can't replace, the family gifts and heirlooms, the people who did that are among the lowest form of humanity, anyone who steals anything belongs in that category, and should have their most valuable asset takem from them, their freedom.
We'd got broken into once, through the kitchen window, but once their feet hit the floor, our dog was on top of him in no time flat, if it wasn't for the fact that my sister accidently left the bathroom light on, whoever it was would've never found the door in time to escape before he dog got him. If he didn't, lets say he'd never have been able to be a father after that. We live in a moderate crime area, many of the homes around us have been broken into, some twice, but since that night, we've never had another break-in.
A.J.
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Which one, just out of curiosity?
He who is very curious, or nosy tonight(take your pick:-),
A.J.
On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 05:35:00 -0500, [email] wrote:
I like to say "difribulators"
Kyle, he who means well The Shane Andrews of alt.sports.baseball.chicago-cubs
idc wrote:
Paddles are old fashoned. The latest model defibrillators all come standard with hands-off self-adhesive gel pads.
And yes, I did have to use one on someone today.
Peace Kevin
Martin Sylvester wrote:
Thanks, Father Martin.
Well, for being one of a really select few people to notice my absence, your cookie shipment will arrive in 5 to 7 business days...have to add on a couple for overSEES (it's a long story) shipping. Also for being one of a select few to actually bother responding to my messages, your chocolate extra will be included with your parcel.
Eh. I don't know. It was kinda a let down, y'know? Besides, I didn't get any reaction from the people whom I really wanted to get a reaction out of. So to the three (can you believe it? only three f***ing people?) who responded...um, wasn't looking for a reaction from you guys...you guys have been the exceptions to the rule for me. I was also kinda looking forward to getting responses from some females too. *drat*
I get you.
Well, when we graduate we also get degrees...grade school degrees, high school degrees, etc.,...when we graduate. You guys only get degrees at the collegiate (or university) level.
This rant has been brought to you by...
one incredibly tired and weary LI
Lady Interference wrote in message news:[email]...
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Mmm, chocolate! </Homer> I'll clean out my biscuit barrel in anticipation!
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I didn't know that!
Yep. Mostly at the age of 21 or older.
Hope you slept well!
Martin.
Lady Interference wrote:
I guess I can't provide an explanation for the relative lack of response in general, and maybe the belatedness of this reply makes it pointless, but I felt-because of my newness here and unfamiliarity with you-that it would have been presumptuous of me to provide you with my opinion/advice on this subject. I hoped that you could resolve your difficulties and that there wasn't some serious event provoking your "rant," but felt that I should stay out of a problem I didn't know about. Maybe other people felt similarly.
If you would still like feedback from a female, here's mine, though I feel I don't have enough experience in the area to address it adequately. I probably don't have as much reason to distrust as it seemed like you did (hence my hesitance to address the problem before), but I feel it's sad in general when individuals make it difficult for others to trust a group in general. I can understand why you might feel the way you do about males, but I hope that eventually you can learn to trust them in general, and especially those who earn it. I think eventually you'll find more exceptions to the rule, and then find that there's so many exceptions, it's not a rule. :) Good luck.
--Jan
Lady Interference wrote:
I think in general, Eastern schools place more emphasis on the SAT than the ACT and western schools place more emphasis on the ACT than the SAT. I know where I went to high school, most (college-bound) people took the ACT and few took the SAT.
--Jan
On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:10:54 -0700, Janevieve Harrison wrote:
And here in Canada, our schools don't even seem to care about SATs or ACTs.
Diane said:
Oh, like you really have a lot to feel guilty about? ... ;-)
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:
Yeah!!!! Phill goes skyclad...lol
[Snip!]
Heheheheh wondered if you would pick up on that :)
Phill.
On the mountaintop, Lady Interference spake thusly:
For me, it's a bit like watching "A Fish Called Wanda": John Cleese and Jamie Lee Curtis are two people I _never_ want to see getting it on. As are my parents. If I want to see old people naked, I'll observe them through a powerful telescope. (Two points to the ref-spotter, it's an easy one.)
-Mindy
In article ,
Nope reff went straight over my head I'm afraid :)
Phill.
I'm surprised you should think that - haven't you heard of naturism? It's about people living a nude lifestyle, and it is definitely not considered "sexual abuse" for families to be naturists, either in the USA or any civilised country. In fact I believe studies have shown that people who are brought up this way, so they don't feel guilty about their own or other people's bodies, end up being more well-adjusted people. If you think about it, being ashamed of (or having distaste for) something which is an intrinsic and necessary part of us -- namely our physical body -- is a perversion and goes against nature.
-Shez.
In article ,
Carefull with your attributions Shez, I did't say that, Lady Interference did..... Yes that is actually what I feel, I don't feel ashamed of beingseen nude, well by people I am cofortable with anyways...in the specific case that I had been talking about my close family. I mean after all we are all born naked, and under the clothes we are all the same and once you have seen one man & one woman naked, everything else is just a variation on a theme :)
Phill.
Fantasizing about a fictional female who is portrayed as having brains and character is probably a lot healthier then fantasizing about somebody like Lara Croft who is basically a freakish characture.
Mike Morton wrote:
�on Flux is pretty hot, if you like tall skinny terrorists in bondage gear.
Maybe it's better. It's like this: I used to hang out with Monkees fans, and now I hang out with Neil Innes fans, and some Beatles fans along the way. Now, here, we have teenagers fantasizing about people old enough to be their father... while if some teenager just had an affair with some person she knows as old as her father, that would be gross. But the seperation- that you never really would do anything with Neil Innes or Peter Tork or Paul McCartney- somehow makes it OK. By that sat of standards, then, it would be BETTER to fantasize about cartoon characters, because then it's PURELY fantastic...
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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In article ,
I wouldn't expect you to, everyone is entilteled to an opinion :) I wasn't trying to start an argument, just wanted to know why you found it pathetic that was all :)
<Quinn> Ewww :) </Quinn>
And you've never fantasised about somebody ? Maybe he has a real gilfriend, people with girl/boy friends still fantasise about other women/men you know :)
Indeed :)
Phill, a little hung over this morning.
Well it is possible to be aroused by something that isn't a photograph of an actual person. Pornography has existed much longer then photography. For example, the Greek red figure pottery of the sort that museums generally *don't* put on display.
Gotta say though, I do think getting the hot's for Daria is a bit strange, you might as well be entertaining fantasies about Hello Kitty.
But Velma from Scoobie Doo on the other hand..... Rrrrrrrrrrgh.
[email] (Mike Morton) wrote in :
<Butthead> uhuhuhuhuhhu mater painting is cool uhuuhuhuh </Butthead>
Uh-oh someone let Upchuck onto the group :)
Phill.
On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:29:48 GMT, [email] (Phill Harvey-Smith) wrote:
Thanks for the compliment. The URL of my page is http://www.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/~benkmann/artwork/index.html
And a couple days ago I finally found the time to submit it to search engines, so in a couple weeks (damn slow crawlers) people who lack the courage it takes to post a request for nude pictures (and that's a lot of courage) because they fear the resulting hostility, will be able to find it (hopefully). MSB
---- Have you seen this meal before? Restaurant Restroom Recycling - Next on SSW!
No probs, I apreciate good work when I see it :)
Which judging by the reaction they get from some people I can understand the reluctance to post the request....
Phill.
On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:29:48 GMT, [email] (Phill Harvey-Smith) wrote:
Likely because CO is Canadian, and up here such a request is literally interpreted as asking for kiddie porn.
Or perhaps because the only thing he did was come here asking for nudes... (on some newsgroups I frequent, the guy would be flamed for asking-without-contributing, rather than for what he asked for.)
And would you believe that I am genuinely Not Allowed to look at them?
[email] (Glenn Olson) wrote in :
Then Canada isn't nearly as open minded as I had previously thought....Ok, no I'll re-phrase that I didn't mean that the people themselves are, but that law seems a little weird.....perhaps it was me....I've been brought up to believe (and I think correctly, but then again I would !), that there is nothing at all wrong with nudity, perhaps I and the laws of your country disagree....but then again I think your country's laws in this respect are wrong. Please note I'm not having a go at you or your opinions here :)
Hehehehe I suppose that is understandable :)
I would believe it....I just don't agree that it is a good idea, as the pictures are most definatly not IMHO pornographic...as my father used to say pornography is (largely) in the mind of the person looking at it... which to some extent at least is true oh well :)
Phill.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:37:17 -0600, Glenn Olson wrote:
Not Allowed? How come? And more importantly, who cares? Just remember to flush your browser cache and history list afterwards ;-) MSB
---- Have you seen this meal before? Restaurant Restroom Recycling - Next on SSW!
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:40:47 GMT, [email] (MSB) wrote:
Geez, artists. Always saying "screw the law, look at my art!"
;)
Well, I say screw the law, and I'm not even trying to get you to look at anything.
Now, people who break laws for the hell of it to go "Heheh, I'm breaking laws" are idiots. Act according to your own set of moral standards, and, yeah, screw the law. Just ignore it.
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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[email] (Dagny Scott) wrote in :
<humor> Only if she's a good looking WPC :) ** </humor>
Yeah they are the sort of people that when caught deserve to be taken behind the cells for some "questioning" :) Hehehe anyone round here rember a computer game called APB.....wonder if MAME's emulation of it is fixed yet.....
** WPC = Woman Police Constable, what we call female police officers in the UK.
Phill.
Leave the guy alone im sure you have your own pathetic perversion that you injoy. At least hes asking politely unlike a troll.
Cosmo Newanda Hey, why am I the only one here with no clothes on?-SiP
Contentious Objector wrote:
On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 06:41:14 -0900, "Mullins" wrote:
Did you know that such things are genuinely illegal in Canada?
(Unless I missed Daria's 18th birthday, which I doubt...)
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:37:16 -0600, Glenn Olson wrote:
Let's just say the scene depicted in my pictures plays 1 year in the future. As Daria is a fictional character she doesn't have a real age. Her age depends on the story. Everything ok now? Good. Now look my pictures! Besides, the Trent picture is better anyway. And he's over 18. MSB
---- Have you seen this meal before? Restaurant Restroom Recycling - Next on SSW!
Glenn Olson said:
Wait. Are you saying that, in Canada, it's illegal to possess a nude picture of a *cartoon minor*???!!!
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
On 15 Mar 2000 00:24:43 GMT, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:
Yes. Or any work of fiction depicting minors in sexual circumstances. (Which means, technically 90% of BH90210 is illegal...)
In addition, any work using adult models if they're portrayed as minors is also illegal.
Any questions as to why the BC supreme court tried to throw out the law?
Glenn Olson said:
For that matter, *Gidget* would be technically illegal under that law.
And, of course, "Romeo and Juliet".
And parts of the Bible.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
[email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote in :
Humm you want really insane legislation regarding the Bible come to the UK, where it is (or cirtainly used to be, due to Sunday trading laws) illeagal to sell a copy of the Bible on a Sunday, but quite leagal to sell an "Adult" (read: porno) magazenes. Go figure :)
Phill.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:40:18 GMT, Milo Minderbinder wrote:
I hate html on usenet...
Glenn Olson wrote:
I'll post for you what Milo wrote...actually, what the response ended up looking like was akin to what I look at when I'm typing a response on my news program (Netscape Communicator)...maybe Milo needs to adjust the settings so it won't show anything in HTML...? I know I did when I subscribed to the Duran Duran mailing list I've belonged to for awhile because they disallow HTML postings...
Mullins wrote:
Are you the guy who was looking for nudes of Wilma and Betty on the Flintstones site? Wanting to see Barney "do it" with Dino?
Moved up a few centuries now, eh.
....
LI
On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:09:04 GMT, Lady Interference wrote:
Eh. I can decipher it if I want. (Thanks anyway, though.)
I just like bitching about it. At least, until HTML becomes usenet standard.
i hope it bloody well doesn't. that's one of the things that makes usenet good, you can read posts without having to wait ages for each one to download. if HTML posts become the standard you'll probably get banner ads and pop-ups all over the place.
Due to the frenzy and debate sparked by the idea of cartoon nudity, I think that some of you might be interested in a research paper I just finished about pornography. It was for a human sexuality class, and we were told to choose any topic about sexuality that interested us. So, I chose pornography.
Since some of you folks are a tad sensitive about the subject, I have posted my paper on the web for you guys to read. It's just to show you guys what I've discovered in the course of my research.
This is not to say nudity = porno, 'cause it isn't. But I just thought it was the approrpiate thread to inform you folks about the research paper.
So here it is: http://members.xoom.com/nlsy/porn.htm
Be kind :)
Cheers, Nicole Lee
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny..." -- Isaac Asimov
"No, no, no, Lisa. If adults don't like their jobs, they don't go on strike. They just go in every day and do it really half-assed." -- Homer Simpson
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I just thought I'd say I found your paper quite well rounded and insightful. You're a gifted writer. Well done. ;-) (Aside: Gargh, I really wish I had time in my schedule for a human sexuality class. It's such an interesting subject.)
--J.
Nicole Lee wrote:
<snip>
Nicole, what gives? Ijust tried the link and nothing's there.
-IdentityCrisis
On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:59:17 -0600, [email] wrote:
I just tried it. It works fine.
Cheers, Nicole Lee
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny..." -- Isaac Asimov
"No, no, no, Lisa. If adults don't like their jobs, they don't go on strike. They just go in every day and do it really half-assed." -- Homer Simpson
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Terrrific Essay Nicole,
You mentioned a while back an essay you wrote about Leopold and Lobe, the gay teenagers who killed a kid in Chicago back in the 20's and paralells to more recent cases, would you mind posting that, I would be intrested in reading it
The Contentious Objector
On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:43:26 GMT, "Contentious Objector" wrote:
Yeah, I will do that some time. I had lost my entire document folder awhile back, so I couldn't post it. But I still have the hard copy though.. so no worries.
Cheers, Nicole Lee
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny..." -- Isaac Asimov
"No, no, no, Lisa. If adults don't like their jobs, they don't go on strike. They just go in every day and do it really half-assed." -- Homer Simpson
Daria Code: A D T3 Ws Q+ FN^Fr O- OH+Oo+Od m- c+++ MV C5X F:111,213,313,401 BB- FCD +DT q fN
On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:43:26 GMT, "Contentious Objector" wrote:
I've just posted it. It's at:
http://members.xoom.com/nlsy/leoloe.htm
I've only skimmed the details of the Leopold and Loeb case here (I didn't explore the sexuality or religious angle too much). The complete details are in the Fass report that I listed in the bibliography.
Cheers, Nicole Lee
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny..." -- Isaac Asimov
"No, no, no, Lisa. If adults don't like their jobs, they don't go on strike. They just go in every day and do it really half-assed." -- Homer Simpson
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Very good article, Nicole. It helps bring home the point that senseless violence is nothing new. I'd add that sociopathic killings are known throughout history; in other times and places, especially during wars, they were often institutionalized. Reading a history of the Nazi death camps or the Thirty Years' War, it's difficult not to believe that some of the people carrying out these atrocities were using ideology as a cover for their own insanity.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
Hmm. Still no luck for me. I can't get to your site at all. Oh well.
-IdentityCrisis