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anyone have any thoughts as to what might happen tonight in the new daria episode?

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a destructive emotional maelstrom of epic proportions? i guess i cheated...i've already watched it. pretty much shot that "maybe it's not romantic interest" possibility straight to hell, huh?

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Spoiler space, just in case.

My initial reaction to the episode was "Wow. A dramatic story arc overlying multiple non-consecutive episodes, this is actual storytelling. If word of this gets out, it might irreperably damage MTV's reputation as a supplier of mindless eye- and earcandy."

My second reaction was "My God, I've become a soap opera fan!"

Will Tom ask Daria for a date? Will Daria say yes? Will Jane overcome her resentment toward Daria and salvage their friendship? How will Trent react to the new man in Daria's life? Will Jane react to the loss of Tom by starting a torrid love affair with Andrea?

Obviously, I intended that last one as a joke. But then I went to the Daria website and looked at the movie flipbook. Flipbook10. It's not Andrea, but...I'm sure that it's more innocuous than it looks.

On an unrelated note, Tom lives in a big, fancy house and goes to a prep school; but his car is worse then Trent's. Some sort of counter-wealth statement?

Kinda looks like Monique, too.

Anyway, I don't think Jane's a lesbian. I mean, from what we've seen of her (as far back as #102 "The Invitation," right up to yesterday, when she was making out w/ Tom), I really doubt it. Also, from the Daria FAQ, "...Daria and Jane both stated that they were not lesbians on the "Daria Day" marathon that ran on MTV before Season 2 began."

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I'm suddenly having flashbacks to discussions on the alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer newsgroup when the Willow?Tara relationship was outed. If, If, IF my joking comment has any coincidental basis in fact, it in no way indicates lesbianism. It is possible for someone to realize that they have bisexual tendencies.

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Just to be helpful, the person that Jane is sitting with is the character that singer Bif Naked is voicing in the movie. I don't know if she's playing herself, but if you know who she is, it definetly looks like her.

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I couldn't help but notice the long, deliberate pan through Tom's house prior to the swing-set scene. Are they trying to make a point of his family's wealth?

MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")

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"It is not an obscenity to be free. It is a divine right." --Annette Peacock

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I suspect he's going to wind up related to somebody important. Maybe Eric.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

I hope not. These last few episodes (like half of season four) have been insane with emotional charge. I hope they don't try to turn Daria into a soap opera. She's still a teenager, and still goes to Lawndale High. I really hope the writers don't try to work in "coincidental" plot twists at every turn. Ohh, I can see it now:

(( Disclaimer: Stupid Soap-Opera Daria plot not to be taken seriously.))

Helen: Daria, your adoptive father and I are getting...<dramatic music>a divorce!

Daria: Huh?

Quinn: Has anyone seen my ankle boots?

Daria: Then who's my *real* father?

Helen: <sobbing> Eric...<sobs>

Daria: What?? You mean Tom's dad?! I guess now wouldn't be the best time to tell you the pregnancy test turned out...<dramatic music>positive!

Quinn: EEW! That means you and what's-his-face are half brother and sister, AND you have a baby together!

Jake: Dammit Daria! Why can't you date normal boys like Quinn?

Helen: Jake, get out of my house! Don't make me get my gun!

Jake: Gaahh!

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Daria: You killed my dad! Um, I mean, my adoptive Dad? Ex-Dad?

Quinn: Eew. Now there's *blood* on my capris! <sarcastic> Way to go, mom! <Slides Jake's credit card out of his pants pocket on his now-lifeless body> Bye! <heads for Cashman's>

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LOL!

[email] (kim ) wrote in :

<AOL>Me too</AOL> :)

BTW, with all the <dramatic music> this reads a little like the B&B episode "Pregnant Pause" if you've seen it you'll know what I mean :)

<Vader> *I* am your father </Vader>

<Butthead>uhuhuhuh she scored cool uhuhuhuh</Butthead>

<Jim Kirk>We come i peace, shoot to kill</Jim Kirk>***

You bastard ! <Dr McCoy>He's Dead Jim!<Dr McCoy>

*** Ok, Jim Kirk didn't actually say that, it's lifted from that parody record "Startrekkin" by The Firm (I believe).

Phill.

I was too young for stuff like MTV when B & B was in its prime, but my older brother and his friend would watch it. Oddly, the one scene I *do* remember seeing is of Daria, on the bus, being harassed by either Bevis, Butthead, or both.

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Beavis :)

Humm the only one I rember with B&B and Daria on a buss is where they are pulling "moonies" out of the back window and VanDriesden makes them come and sit up front.

Phill.

And then VanDriesen sings that "Touch A Mountain" song and the bus stops suddenly and he goes right through the windshield and off the side of a cliff. Uh huh huh, huh huh, that was cool. Damn Phill now you got me doing it too!

[email] (Michael Pierry) wrote in :

Yeah that's the one :)

Hehehehe :)

Phill.

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I believe so, too. Would put an interesting spin on this story arc if Helen's boss was the father of Daria's boyfriend, if it turned out to be Eric as Tom's father.

A.J.

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Well, now that I've seen it, yes. :) My jaw dropped when Daria kissed Tom. Who would've thought? But of course it only shows that the writers are entirely serious about character development -- rare enough in an animated sitcom.

Neil

Spoilers, folks, spoilers... -J The Leopard Lady "People shouldn't be judged by the color of their skin. They should be judged on important things like their taste in music!"-Murphy Brown "She's too short to play me."-Joey Potter Too short to play herself in a movie

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C'mon. Spoilers. Please.

Okay, my thoughts.

I expected everything....MTV really shouldn't have put the "kiss scene" up online today, that spoiled the ep for me, since I knew what was coming. It was a good episode, but somehow predictiable. Not in a bad way, but...ahh I'm blabbing.

Hey, I just realized something, Tom and Jane dated for exactly one season (313-413).

Oh yeah, wasn't the phone call at the end so contrived? I mean, you just *know* MTV made the Daria bunch stick in a predictable "cliffhanger."

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On the plus side, since they have never used script borrowing on the show, if the end the series with the movie the characters won't move all away (that would be borrowing from "Goodbye, Fairwell, Amen").

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Hmm. Caulking Neil would prevent Neil leaks, like the one involving the episode's content. But feathering Neil ... is he on fire? Will stopping his propellor really help anyone?

Fortunately, I didn't visit the MTV site first. I agree incidentally; the kiss was unexpected, and hence putting it on that clip was a major spoiler.

Watching it the first time, I'll say that I expected Tom's reason for being there to be to in some way tell Daria that he had feelings for her, but I was surprised when he kissed her right out of the blue like that. This was very emotional behavior for Tom, and it implies that he couldn't think of any better way to approach her than to _show_ her how he felt. I've been there :)

That was probably Daria's first real kiss. The clincher though was that _second_ kiss: the first one was kind of "stolen", but in the second one, Daria was clearly an enthusiastic participant. Making it obvious that _she_ has feelings for Tom, too.

I found it powerful and rather shocking, not so much because Daria showed that she had a truly passionate side (I'd always suspected this, it was kind of nice to see it confirmed), but more because of the rupture in Daria and Jane's friendship. Did you notice, incidentally, that Daria is not really capable of being dishonest with Jane, even by omission? (This led, unfortunately, to her telling Jane about the kiss in the worst possible situation ... right in the halls of Lawndale in front of a growing crowd, attracted by the unexpected display of anger between Daria and Jane, whom most of the school probably perceives as a "unit" by now).

The breakup was really sad, not because the relationship could have easily been saved (it couldn't, mostly because Jane was too uncompromising), but because it really tore at me to see _Jane_ so vulnerable. I really think that Jane expected it to last forever, regardless of what she did. And while Jane did things to damage it (being unreasonably angry at Tom, and taking no interest in his interests) she didn't behave _that_ badly.

The worst part of it for Jane is that she's lost both her boyfriend and her best friend. She'll probably make up with Daria (she said she intended to), and may even be friends with Tom again, but it'll be very difficult, especially if Daria goes out with Tom. What's _really_ sad about this is that Jane doesn't make friends easily.

I liked the way in which Trent went out of his way to be with her and try to help her feel better. I'm glad that the writers are handling Trent so much in character ... we've known at least since "Pierce Me" that Trent truly loves his little sister.

When the phone was ringing three possibilities flashed through my mind in quick succession. "Jane? Trent? Tom?", and in that order. I figured it wasn't going to be Jane because they'd done that scene already, and then that Trent probably wouldn't want to speak to Daria right now. I had just gotten to "Tom" when he spoke up.

It was _evil_ to end the episode before Tom got to say anything but "Daria" :)

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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"Jordan S. Bassior" wrote:

i pretty much suspected it, too....most of the seemingly detached and unemotional cynics i knew in high school (and college and everywhere else, for that matter), were so not from lack of feelings, but from an overabundance of passionateness (invented word alert). and since most social environmants reward such traits with suspicion, exclusion, and general abuse, it makes people draw into themselves. it's just not worth wasting your passions (for everything, not just the usual romantic type) on people who don't get it and, more importantly, don't want to get it. i'm pretty much getting into autobiographical territory here, so we'll just end this little trip down bad memory lane because it wasn't supposed to be my point....

....my point was supposed to be, it shows a strong insight into human personalities that the writers have managed to create such three dimensional characters. i've never seen anything like it in a live-action movie or tv show, let alone a freakin' cartoon. i hope mtv realizes what they've got here....somehow, they've managed to end up with what may be the best show on television.

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Plus, Daria is an extraordinarily perceptive person with very high standards; a lot of the routine amorality, cruelty, and hypocrisy that goes on around her must utterly horrify her. If she let herself respond to it, she'd seem like a lunatic. Dealing with it through sarcasm and an apparent lack of emotion "is what works for me NOW" (as she said in "Gifted").

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I agree with you. The closest to this that I've seen on a sitcom was the departed but excellent _Roseanne_, which also had complex and realistic, while admirable, characters. (One of them, Darlene, had a personality that was somewhere between Daria's and Jane's in many ways). (*)

(*) She was a sarcastic, intellectual, strongwilled artist. Who makes one Really Bad Decision in the series, but is saved from its long run consequences by her family and the guy who really loves her.

I hope that people appreciate _Daria_ ... it's easy to look down upon cartoons in America.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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I agree about the autobiographical aspect. This is the only show that I've ever felt so connected to that it seemed like someone followed me around and wrote about my teenage years. "Freaks and Geeks" is a close second. I hope they don't cancel this one, too, just when I'm really getting into it.

--Alisha

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oh, you know THAT'll probably happen.

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I get the feeling this is the case for a lot of us. Even those of us whose teen years are more than half a lifetime past. Like Jordan said, the writers have done an exceptional job of tapping into what I would think is common experience, and giving it a reality that's "not really real, but has a reality all its own."

Still, it's almost creepy how many times I've had to stop and wonder if a particular episode was written by someone who was in one of my high school classes.

Peace Kevin

Which is why an angry mob would be in order if MTV ever even breathes a word about cancellation. I'll chip in for the flaming torches.

<snip stuff about MTV's lack of decency and the tarring and feathering (or caulking) of Neil>

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It really was a gutsy move on Tom's behalf, especially after Daria angrily informed him that he screwed up the best thing she ever had in Lawndale (Jane's friendship) and that she wasn't at all interested in him. Throughout the episode, up until that point, Daria had really been trying to avoid Tom. Even when she called to ask where Jane was, as soon as Tom started talking about the parade, Daria cut the conversation short. Then in the car, as soon as Tom even mentioned their "situation" it was enough to burst Daria's emotional wall and she let her feelings out. I'm not even sure if she was as honest with Helen, since we never got to see much of their conversation. Even after Daria and Tom kissed, Daria was quick to run out of the car.

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I only saw the ep once, and I could've missed something. However, it is a little odd that only background characters (Andrea, Fat Blonde Kid, etc...) were shown in the gathering crowd. Where was everyone else? I also wonder what part Jodie will play in the upcoming movie, since both Jane and Daria have talked to her (briefly) about their problems.

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The swingset scene with Jane and Tom was very good. Jane was so sad and confused about the breakup and everything else that was happening, and Tom tried hard to be understanding and comforting.

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I think a subconsious part of Jane almost *wants* Daria to go out with Tom. In a way, this would justify her breakup ("Daria and Tom makes more sense than Jane and Tom") and it would justify her anger at Daria. However, I don't see how Daria could possibly go out with Tom after this. They would be a great couple, but Daria would constantly be reminded of all the hurt she caused her true best friend.

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Hopefully, MTV left the Daria movie to the Daria writers. Who knows what kind of stuff would be in it if MTV got their filthy hands into the making of the movie!!! If there is even the slightest bit of MTV sleaziness in the movie, I will very disappointed and very angry.

but "Daria" :)

Exactly.... two "to be continued" style endings in a row! AKKK!!!

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Because, of course, it was at the parade that their feelings for each other began ... and also because Daria was blaming herself for alienating Tom from Jane.

_Especially BECAUSE_ they kissed!

I think that the major secondary characters were absent because their reactions are being saved for later. Andrea, OTOH, I think was present because it's going to be relevant to some future plot involving her that she know what's going on.

Tom definitely still wants to be Jane's friend, though that may be impossible now.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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Yikes! Glad I didn't see that.

Predictable...sort of. The kiss came in the heat of an argument; well, that's a new one. Eh, but who am I to nitpick, I haven't written anything in over two years. Daria's speech before that (about her moving to Lawndale, etc.) is definitely her most emotional moment so far in the series. All in all, a very weird episode. Pretty good, but very weird. I'm not sure how, but this episode just felt different...it *sounded* different. And the tension in this episode made last week's look placid.

I've watched it twice now, with breaks for the Daily Show. Seperate from the plot was an interesting Quinn moment with her warning Daria about how bored she'd be if she hung around the house with the Fashion Club around. On one hand, she was probably just trying to keep Daria out of the Fashion Club's sight as usual, but on the other hand, she sounded unusually civil and casual about it. I was also left wondering which of the two things Daria mentioned was the one Quinn denied she would ever do...kiss her best friend's boyfriend or tell her about it?

Interesting, weird, tense episode. Maybe I only complained about the kiss part because Daria's getting more action than I am now. ;)

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Happens in real life, too. You do realize that, no matter how strong Daria's feelings for Tom are (and I think that they _are_ pretty strong, both from their interactions last episode and from the fact that after that first kiss Daria stayed in the car and kissed him again), they are bound to be "tainted" in her mind by her knowledge that the whole situation is hurting Jane?

Daria rarely expresses her deeper emotions outright: here she was confirming that she _loves_ Jane. (Which was easy to tell from observation, but it was still a powerful moment). Partially she was telling Tom this because he's known them less than a year; partially I think to remind _herself_ why she shouldn't yield to her attraction for Tom.

Didn't work.

It was "weird" because:

1) Daria normally doesn't _display_ passion of any sort: in this episode she displayed a full range of emotions.

2) Daria and Jane are normally allies against the rest of the world, not rivals.

3) Tom acted in a less than totally sympathetic manner (no, not "evil", but definitely selfish in some bad senses of the word).

4) Trent behaved in an active fashion: he went out of his way both last ep and this to directly affect the course of the events (cause he loves Jane).

5) Finally, Daria's on the cusp of a momentous decision: it is very unlikely that her life can now "return to normal".

I think that Quinn may have sensed that Daria was upset. Jake definitely did, and tried to cheer her up, but didn't kow what to do. Helen realized something serious was wrong with Daria the instant she showed up at her job.

"Jordan S. Bassior" wrote in message news:[email]...

Quinn

She's done it before on an occasion or two ("Through A Lens Darkly" comes to mind)...but only when extremely desperate.

[email] (Jeg7777) wrote in :

And also in "Road Worrier", whwn she asked if her outfit was alternative.

Phill.

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Very well said. These factors combine to make this ep. have sort of a surreal feel to it, so many things unusual to the characters, yet they basically remained in character, how many other shows could pull something like this off? None in Daria's category.

Quinn sensed it, but was caught up in her FC agenda to fully notice, the others I agree on.

True.

Hadn't noticed this, but you're right, I didn't think of how unusual this was for Daria to do, she was in a mental crisis and had no one else to turn to, both her safety valves were off limits, one way or another.

There were so many false assumprions and other items going around, Daria didn't want to further strain her friendship to the possible breaking point over a lie, a lie in Jane's state of mind when she would find ot would destroy everything, it'd be a ticking time-bomb, and Daria cares too much for Jane to do that to her.

A.J.

The minute Daria got into Tom's car I could see it coming from a mile away. However that didn't subtract from the impact of Daria actually kissing someone.

I think the movie will address this, as well as I suspect the fifth season.

Well, you have the main characters acting in particularly emotional states we've not seen from them before. Daria in particular was yelling it seems half the time. Also we did not have the pat "resolved ending" as we do every episode. Nothing's been really resolved and the agonies are just beginning. Also Daria and Jane, even when they weren't in control of the situation, you sensed it was them against the world and now that's lost. Even if they do "get it back somehow," nothing will be the same.

I think he was being honest. About the situation with Jane and his responses to Daria. I wasn't crazy about that smirk after he'd kissed Daria, but maybe it was in the knowledge that she does feel something for him. Also he's probably been in breakups before. He did try to talk about it with Jane at the end, although I don't know how successful he was.

Well, his sister is hurting; it's no time to be a slacker. And if he wasn't going to be honest with Daria, who would?

I think the fifth season's going to focus on this. How it turns out, what will be the aftermath.

Jeff M.

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There will be, that's already set. If you want more after that, let MTV know, send a letter in support of a 6th season, I will be.

A.J.

JMorris said:

What of course made her angrier is that she was being unjustly accused of something she subconsciously _wanted_ to do.

Did you notice, incidentally, how _sad_ Daria sounded when she said "Can you see me _ever_ making out with _anyone_?" And Jane just went with it.

Pissed me off at first, the huge cliffhanger it ended on. Now it occurs to me that this was the best possible way to do it. Something this big _can't_ have a quick neat ending.

Exactly. Neither of them can have the same perfect trust in the other. Which is sad, but that's what happens.

I agree. I don't think that he was deliberately trying to hurt anyone.

I think he's more attracted to Daria than he ever was to Jane. I could theorize many different reasons for this; one _big_ one has to be that she fully appreciates him, including intellectually. She gets the sarcastic little comments that probably whiz right past most people he tries them on. This is probably a big reason that she's attracted to him, to.

Definitely. But what he was saying was _way_ too smooth for Jane. And in some ways wishful thinking on his part.

Not very. Jane obviously didn't want to break up with him. And was not planning to at any point in the future, either. Her earlier episodes of anger at him were attempts to communicate with him, not attempts to drive him away.

Jane's socially inept, and emotionally very inexperienced, no matter the state of her sexual experience. This was her first real love, it meant a _lot_ to her, and she doesn't understand how he can be so calm breaking up with her. The things he said to her (and Daria!) _do_ imply that Jane never meant all that much to him. Certainly not as much as he meant to Jane.

His sister is the reason he isn't _worse_ than a "slacker" most of the time. Jane and Trent pretty much raised each other; they were each other's primary good influences.

Do you realize how hard that conversation must have been for him? Trent's not stupid, he must have realized that his statements would not be well-received. And he was talking to a girl he liked, whom he suspected was becoming interested in his sister's boyfriend.

I agree.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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Of course. Which is why we have a movie coming up. Be interesting to see what happens.

I think he saw Jane as a "date" and didn't expect it to go any further. Unfortunately Jane fell in love with him.

Agreed.

No, nothing's been resolved (Keep saying that!), but you can't blame a guy for trying.

Like I said, someone had to be honest in this situation. Honesty hurts. The one it's intended to and the bearer.

You know, nobody's really discussed the implications of Jane coloring her hair or that portrait. If you do, it's actually good that Tom and Jane broke up when they did. I mean, it seemed like Jane was reduced to a "I'll give him what he's been asking for" situation: ironically it ended bringing up everything in the open.

Jeff M.

JMorris said:

The impression I got of that first night when Jane went for a ride with Tom was that they just hung out together, at most maybe kissed a little. It really started, from his viewpoint, more as "making a new friend" than "falling in love", but I don't think that that's how _she_ took it.

I think that Tom was trying to make Jane feel better. He really _likes_ her. The problem is, given that he doesn't _love_ her, there is no way that he really _could_

I think that Trent still has feelings for Daria, that's _especially_ why I think it was hard for him to have that conversation.

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It's an open question whether Tom and Jane were ever lovers in the full physical sense of the word or not. Jane comes from a considerably less prudish background than Daria, and is also more impulsive. It's quite possible that she had lost her virginity _before_ meeting Daria. (she was 16-17 when they first met, after all).

Of course that doesn't mean she necessarily had sex with Tom. Especially if Tom's feelings for her were never that strong, he might never have been all that demanding. Tom's a pretty nice guy in general.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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She just kept on denying it until the kiss, the Dammit stuff was realization of this fact to her, and she was now hating herself for it.

The idea did seem unfathomable at the time, well it's not anymore.

Exactly, there's no known way you could wrap all of this up in a neat package for a while, hell it may not even be completely resolved in the movie. Still, what were basically 2 cliffhanger endings in a row have got my speculations into overdrive. The writing crew deserves tremendous credit for being able to fit all they did in a 22 minute episode. At firsst I was the same way, that there's no way you're ending it on this, but they did, and now we have a micro-drought before the movie, boy I can't wait!

It may take most of season 5 or some traumatic event in the movie before we see them moving on past something of this magnitude.

This is the main reason, I believe. He's looking for someone on that intellectual level, and in today's world that can be few and far between, he knows he's found someone rare and special, anyone who's tried knows you can't find someone like this just anywhere, anytime. Tom wasn't intentionally trying to hurt anyone, Jane brought this all upon herself.

The same reasons I'd list to explain the above statement.

I'd have swore they were never going to do that again and they may not, but aren't they showing Trent getting more and more mature and responsible, almost as if they're trying to build him up to the level Daria basically wanted from JA. I still think that's dead, but "...it really makes you think"

Same here.

A.J.

Cheese300 said:

And still was by the end of the episode. Remember, she has _very_ high standards, and (if she blames herself) has failed to live up to even _minimal_ standards. I think it's a safe bet that she blames herself.

Of course, from Jane's POV, she might answer that the way in which she brought it all upon herself was by "trusting Tom" and "trusting Daria." From an external POV, it's easy to see the mistakes she made, though. She took no interest in Tom's interests, and expected him to totally accommodate himself to hers.

Yep.

Exactly.

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange seasons even death may die :)

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

"Jordan S. Bassior" wrote in message

I just get this really weird image of a Lovecraft/Daria crossover. Jane raises with her art that man was not meant to know and Daria has to kill it.

Jeff Cucutis said:

Artists and writers were supposed to be especially susceptible to Cthulhu's dreams. Jane's an artist, Daria's a writer, and at least one of the Lanes (Penny, IIRC) makes long trips to weird parts of the world.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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This reminds me: what with all the Daria crossover fanfics and so forth, why the hell hasn't anyone done a Cthulhu mythos story with Daria characters? Sure, okay, it wouldn't be great, but it could be one of those "for entertainment purposes only" kind of stories. I dunno. A plot of sorts is slowly developing in my head. Maybe I'll give it a go. ;)

-nick reffuse

**can you find dilinger at the smithsonian or not?**

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Alex Case said:

KoDT?

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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Knights of the Dinner Table. A comic book about a group of friends who are avid Role-Playing Gamers. Anyone who has ever played an RPG _has_ to read it.

Personally, I don't see Daria as the RPG type. I remember an episode (the one with Alternapalooza) in which she seemed to have a negative opinion of SciFi conventions. But she is a writer. Maybe she just hasn't been properly exposed to gaming's interactive storytelling. (God, that phrase sounds pretentious.) And RPG's have long been a haven for socially inept outcasts. Um. So I've heard. ;)

Michael Sears said:

She's more the "literary" type. As in "serious" literature.

Upchuck's an RPG'er. It's struck me that Andrea might be or might have been at one point, given her interest in fantasy.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

"Jordan S. Bassior" wrote:

Upchuck is total RPG material. Andrea could be one of the girls who probably hangs out with the RPG kids (at least, the more heavy metal variety), but doesn't play them herself because she's too busy writing a vampire novel in which the sexual overtones are so blatant as to be artless. "O Vlad! Pierce me!"

Then again, Daria writes some absolute pulp now and then. the whole "Melody Powers" saga could be straight from the pages of one of those detective fiction mags with the pictures of scatily clad women with guns on the cover.

c. said:

He'd prolly be a "munchkin" (RPG'er slang for annoying powergamers who compensate in RPG's for the patheticness of their real-world lives).

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If she roleplays, she's definitely into the dark fantasy / horror genre. Probably melodramatic stuff with vampires, werewolves, curses and the like.

That's a deliberate parody, though.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

[email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote in :

Yeah I could see that Upchuck might be an RPGer. Odd I've played RPGs a reasonable amount, and I've never heard that term used before, maybe it's an American thing ?

Ah yes world of darkness stuff, playde "Vampire : The Masqurade" a lot, really enjoyed it, with a decent gamesmaster, the game will focus on the character interaction, and real role playing, rather than, just thrrowing lots of dice, like D&D has a tendency to decend into :) Oh yeah and Buffy's a wuss, if se ever met out little group of nightstalkers, we'd make mincemeat of her :)

Indeed, McCarthy would probably have liked it tho :) (think about the content.....).

Phill.

Phill Harvey-Smith said:

It may have originated here, but Steve Jackson Games' _The Munchkin Guide to Role-Playing_, which parodies such players, was written by an Englishman.

Daria's trying to annoy her (mostly leftist) elders.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

[email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote in :

Ok, seems reasonable, guess though I have played several games over the last 15 years or so, I've never been the obsessive role player, though on occasions I do find them fun.

Indeed, and nearly starting a riot into the process :)

Phill.

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Upchuck is a STERIOTYPICAL (sp) RPG'er, but I doubt that the writers of Daria would buy into stereotypes, and do you mind if I crosspost this into a RPG newsgroup so they can explain how that is wrong. Also, in "Alternapalooza" that's a UFO convention, not a fandom convention (to get a interesting look a fandom, read "Fallen Angels" by Pournelle, Niven, and Flynn). Besides, there are some RPGs that Daria might be interested in (Maybe Cyberpunk 2.0.2.0., Shadowrun, Call of Cthulhu, and the Illuminati and Illuminati: New World Order Card Games).

Besides, if Upchuck played with the knights, Sara Feldon would shove his dice bag, with dice, down his throught (sp?), then turn his books sideways and SHOVE THEM UP HIS ASS, immeadiatly followed by an super atomic wedgie (with the top of his underpants Duct Taped to his chin).

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Actually, I was referring to this conversation, from the begining of "The Road Worrier":

Daria - Put down your weapon, I surrender.

Jane - A little respect for the stick-modified 2000. Finest glue gun on the market.

Daria - And I thought you were on your way to a sci-fi convention.

Jane - No thanks, reality is bizarre enough for me.

Michael Sears said:

Um, maybe Daria wasn't clear on exactly what kind of convention was going on in the area?

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

is that really what she says? it always sounded like "stick-mata 2000" or something to me.

missy aggravation wrote:

sounds like "stickmata" to me, too. which sounds like something the writers would throw in, just in case anybody catches it. "stick-modified" is from an inaccurate transcript, i think.

[email] (missy aggravation) wrote in :

Yeah I'll have to agree with Alli on this on, that's what it sounds like to me too :)

Phill.

In article , [email] wrote:

I cut-and-pasted from the transcript on Outpost Daria. Take it up with them. :)

On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:35:15 GMT, Michael Sears wrote:

Take it up with Planet Daria's Rowena Stubbs, actually. :-) Most of the S1 and S2 transcripts were done by her, and she obviously wrote down what she thought she heard. As such, the occasional mistake is bound to come up, but all in all, she did a remarkable job with the tools she had.

By contrast, the transcripts I've done (101-103, 107, and 208 and later) were created with the help of my ATI All-in-Wonder card's closed captioning feature. The ATI Viewer software allows CC'd text to be written to a disk file, where I then "massage" it (add character attributions and fix the occasional deviation between CC text and what was actually said) to create the transcript. It's time-consuming, but it's preferable to writing it all by hand (it'd take forever!).

And just for clarification, it's "Stickmata 5000." I've seen it referenced in some fanfics as "Stigmata 5000," but "stick" makes more sense (it *is* a glue gun, after all).

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Dice bag? That's not a euphemism, is it?

<jake> Ewwwww! </jake>

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<Beavis> It's Hairy Sack ! </Beavis>

Phill.

Alex Case said:

I understand your point, but remember:

1) Daria's not a roleplayer. Not necessarily because she hates roleplaying, but simply because she's never had any particular reason to get into it. I don't think Highland had much of an RPG community, and since then she's hung out mostly with Jane, and sometimes Trent or Tom too, and they as far as we know aren't roleplayers.

2) Upchuck obtrudes himself into her awareness via his crush on her and his many crude advances (which probably prevent her from realizing that he has a _real_ crush on her). Hence, if she knows that Upchuck is a RPG'er, she is _not_ acquiring a positive image of RPG's. And I have PERSONALLY KNOWN roleplayers as socially inept as Upchuck ... and _worse_.

Flynn).

True. Incidentally, _Fallen Angels_ is a _great_ book :)

I've run Call of Cthulhu; played a bit with Cyberpunk (and its sister Mekton). Good games. Yes, if Daria were a RPG'er, I could see her playing those.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

Oh, as to Andrea ... I'm basing the assumption that she likes fantasy fiction, and might be into RPG'ing, on her little cartoon strip. It's just a guess, but we don't exactly have a lot to go on.

She bothered to go to the fair, too.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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They did THAT!? ??????????? Why? Wouldn't that ruin it before anyone saw it? Glad I didn't see it beforehand.

I thought something would happen, but not liplock! This episode had more tension and drama than the other 51 episodes have had combined. Kissing after an argument like that is nothing new, I've seen other shows do it, I never saw it coming until the awkward silence they had for a couple of seconds there. Daria summed up the past 2 years (her time) very well with one short speech, then throws it a plot twist almost immediately, very passionate speech, definitely emotional, the most we've ever seen of her. very little humorous here, there was so much, it will take many viewings to understand everything that went on here.

I'd guess tell her friend, but that's only a guess.

You're not the only one, pal.

A.J.

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Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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Yeah, while I saw the Tom-Jane breakup coming since "I Loathe a Parade," certain things in the episode completely took me by surprise. It shocked me that the first person Daria turned to (besides Jane) was Helen. She even went as far as to call her at work.

And the tension in this episode made last week's look placid.

Of course! I'm surprised these "professional" politicians, like Bob Dole and John McCain, actually play along with Jon Stewart's jokes. That one congresslady must've never seen the Daily Show though because she was taking almost everything Jon said too seriously. Anyway, back to Daria.

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I feel your pain... It's pretty sad when I start to get jealous of a *cartoon character's* love life. :)

-----> Violator's Toad <-----

"Please be careful, I exist in someone else's head." - from "Annie" by Our Lady Peace

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Violator's Toad said:

I honestly don't have much respect for MTV in terms of its ability to air series TV.

Of course, MTV's primarily a music video network. Which could explain why they're bad at this sort of thing.

Aside from Jane (who she couldn't talk to about this for obvious reasons), Helen is probably the person whom Daria trusts most, especially in terms of her understanding.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

"Jordan S. Bassior" wrote:

you ever catch one of those awful "behind the scenes at mtv" type shows? i saw one once late at night (hey, it was either that or a 30-minute torso-track advert), and i've never seen anything so disorganized in my life. i swear to god, that network consists of a building full of twenty-somethings running around in a manner very similar to that cage full of people in "Planet of the Apes." it's a wonder they even get ANYTHING on the air, let alone at almost the same time every day. this is the reason i have to set the VCR to record 5 minutes before "Daria" theoretically starts, and set it to stop five minutes late, to allow some guy with bleached hair and a nosering to go running through the halls of mtv yelling "dude! i need that new 'daria' episode like NOW man! man, i totally flaked this time, man!"

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ROFL!!!

I've seen something that disorganized, but then again I once worked for the New York Public Interest Research Group (NYPIRG).

with bleached hair

ROFL! I could see that ... :D

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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:) That sure sounds like what's going on anyway!!! MTV is the most hideous, vile thing available on television today. The only decent part worth saving is Daria (Downtown already lost the battle). MTV doesn't even show music videos anymore! If I want to see a music video (I must be REALLY bored now...) I usually watch the Canadian Much Music. MTV only supports established bands, one hit wonders, boy bands, and pop tarts.

I know this has been discussed before, but too bad Daria isn't on a different network. About the only thing that even remotely links the show to MTV is the background music. However, all of the other networks available have problems too. Comedy Central isn't mature enough. VH1 is almost as bad as MTV. Cartoon Network is aimed at a very young audience. Discovery Channel or The Learning Channel wouldn't be too awful, but Daria isn't exactly educational. NBC, ABC, CBS, TNT, WB... *shudder*.... I guess our only solution is the ADN: All Daria Network. :)

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which is a bad idea, anyway. i don't know how they are getting away with marketing "the powerpuff girls" as a kids' show...while i happen to love these 30-minute whirlwinds of gratuitous violence and postmodern self-referential humor, there's no way in hell i would let kids watch it, if i had any, which i don't. but then again, this is the same world where the disney channel constantly pushes britney spears (and her two friends...) on kids. "gee, why'd our daughter get pregnant at age 13? we only bought her the halter tops and hotpants because she wanted to look like that nice, innocent-looking girl on the disney channel..." how asleep can people be?

"c." wrote:

Well, I wouldn't let my children watch it either, but that's only because I really don't want them getting into something that seems so patently juvenile. Besides, I tried to watch that program twice, and in both times I ended up having to go brush my teeth a billion times and drink a gallon of water so all that treacle would go away.

but then again, this is the same world

ROTFLMAO. I *SO* agree.

This reminds me of a "Maury Povich" show I once watched, where a seven-year-old who dressed up like a streetwalker more than three times her age admitted her idol was Britney Spears. Why the fuck...oh yeah. I rest my damn case.

LI

Christina Aguilerra's worse than Brittney Spears, Diane. I can see why you're annoyed by the similarity of last names. Brittney Spears is a dimwit acting a part; Christina Aguilerra doesn't seem to be acting.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

"Jordan S. Bassior" wrote:

Hm. Well, I sorta think they're both just as horrible. But...yeah...I guess you're right...Christina Aguilera does make my skin crawl more. *shivers*

Oh, most definitely I would be annoyed. Grrrr. Why the fuck does one of the most annoying people on the face of Planet Earth (heh) not only have a similar last name to mine but would also be only two years younger? Double grrr.

(oh yeah, and if you don't know, my real last name is Aguilar. Toldja.)

Well, except in the role of "diva singer". She always tries to sing in a style that makes her seem to be a good singer when you know for damn well sure she's absolutely crap. She takes herself way too seriously. She doesn't have a prayer of ever making it past the "fluff teenybopper" stage. I think both Britney and Christina are gonna end up like Tiffany, except I think Tiffany was cooler (in that Tiffany actually rebelled against her stage mom and ended up being a runaway for awhile).

Oh yeah, and if you haven't heard much about Christina's supposed squeeze, Enrique Iglesias...he's a major snob and majorly disses his dad, who probably made it possible for him to be popular in the first place (because Enrique sure as heck isn't as talented as Ricky Martin), *and* tells a reporter he says he's a virgin to "pick up chicks...it works all the time". *gag* They fucking deserve each other. Bring up more plastic and annoying offspring, yeah. Just get the hell away from me.

LI (*sigh*...where can I run away from this crap?)

Damn, you too? She's creepy! If I saw her at a party or something I'd probably stay far away from her. Maybe that's being a bit too superficial though, even for me. Then again, maybe not, cause she IS scary and her music is garbage ("It's pabulum for the sleepers/in the cult of brighter days").

La la la la la, this is my stop... oh wait, that's the same channel that Christina's on. Aaaaahhhh!

<Brittany and/or Daria> Eep. </Brittany, /Daria>

In article , Lady Interference writes:

Speaking as one who doesn't keep up with the music industry, it seems on the surface that all the new music is coming from boy bands or solo sluts. Neither with much real talent.

The only one I seem to recall putting out anything I actually liked was Jewel, though it's been a while so I can't be sure. Whatever happened to her, BTW? Did she drop off the radar?

Well, there's a market for all of this, I suppose. There has to be or they wouldn't be making any money. <shrug> I say leave 'em to it and try not to let it bother you too much.

-IdentityCrisis

I think it's a mistake to think boy bands or their female equivalents have anything to do with music. They exist purely for adolescents to have crushes about. The only reason they sing is because they'd look kind of dumb if they stood there doing nothing. It's interesting to compare the West with Japan in this respect. There they also have sexy idols for people to fantasise about, but traditionally they don't sing but just pose for photos etc. However as Western culture continues to make inroads, some Japanese idols have taken to singing too, as it gives them something to do when appearing in public before their fans.

Fortunately, away from the hype of glossy charts shows, good music continues to be produced by real musicians, just as it always has.

-Shez.

Shez wrote:

oh, for the west to take a hint from the east!

it would be so wonderful if they started doing that in america. that way, it would free up the airwaves for bands who are interested in making music. i'm not saying it would solve the whol corporate rock travesty, but it'd be a big help. and a lot less annoying....i wouldn't mind the backstreet boys if the only way i was gonna be confronted with them was by intentionally picking up an issue of tiger beat (that is, by asking for it). the way it is, i get punished by these groups for the simple act of turning on a radio. which is why i never do it.

i never appreciated it when it was happening, but for about six years or so, between 1992 and 1998 (the grunge/alt-rock years) the airwaves were almost completely free of boy bands and solo sluts (silverchair notwithstanding...). god, it was nice. i didn't like them then, and i still don't like them now, but i'll take bush over britney any day.

Actually I can imagine her liking Oasis. What's the Story Morning Glory is suitably down, maybe half way between Portishead and Mystic Spiral. Or her secret romantic side might like Buffalo Tom.

-Shez.

I think she'd listen to the Cure...she seems a Cure type...probably Smashing Pumpkins too...

~Aabi just because I want her to... Now you too can smell like a B-movie star!

"Suzie Q. Doe" wrote:

well, we know from "the new kid" that she at least has some interest in the beatles (judging by the tape she gave whatwashisname). i wonder if she'd be into early stones as well...

[email] (c.) wrote in :

Yeah "Paint It Black" always seemed kinda apropreate to pre-S4 Daria :)

Phill.

Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:

oh, now come on. i don't think daria's worldview has gotten any sunnier just because of these S4 developments.

i actually have noticed this song has never been used in the show (unless i just plain missed it). seems like they'd put it somewhere eventually. hell, they've used the Donnas twice ("American Teenage Rock n Roll Machine" and "Skintight"). but then again, they also missed out on a great chance to use the Ramones in "Psycho Therapy".

then again, it's sorta weird to picture someone like daria getting down to the decadent swagger of the rolling stones. something like "let it bleed"...it's a very odd picture.

c. wrote:

_Their Satanic Majesties' Request_ then. %-{)>

MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")

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"The only completely consistent people are dead" --Aldous Huxley

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Nah...Exile on Main Street if she's into them at all.

beardo

Bearded888 wrote:

I would have guessed _Beggar's Banquet_ (though I jokingly suggested _Their Satanic Majesties' Request_ earlier).

MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")

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"Siento que debemos saber para el sue�o de qui�n brillar� esta luz o consagrar una propia estrella" --Alberto Felici

N.P.:"Sangr�a for Three"- T o n y W i l l i a m s' L i f e t i m e / E m e r g e n c y !

"Suzie Q. Doe" wrote:

Oh, I would GIVE to see her in an ep lip synching to something like "Let's Go to Bed" in her room, blissfully unaware that Tom's watching her from the hallway amusedly until the very last "let's go to bed" before the music cuts off. Or maybe a Halloween ep where Daria encounters a mysterious ghost, set to the tune of "Charlotte Sometimes" or "A Forest". Or an ep with her daydreaming about Camus' "The Stranger" to the tune of (appropriately) "Killing an Arab".

And I see I'm giving some fanfic writers some ideas...hopefully.

Yeah, I noticed that. I love the Cure's music but I don't think I could be considered a real fan, as I don't know that much about them and haven't really followed them or anything.

I think Daria would LOVE Arcadia (1985-era Duran Duran splinter group with Simon, Nick, and Roger). Their music is very dark and moody, but also quite romantic as well. I think she would probably identify with having dreams similar to their "Goodbye is Forever" video, for instance (which can be downloaded at

http://lizardking.simplenet.com/video-files/goodbyevideo.rm). Maybe she could dream about being tied to a swinging pendulum a la Nick and looking down at a rotating Jane a la Simon.

Hm.

LI

In article , Lady Interference wrote:

I bet she'd like Tuxedomoon, too.

Mint Car...just to see Daria lip-synching "I'm so happy I could scream!"

Me either. I just love the Cure musically...

~Aabi And I know it was wrong when I said it was true That it couldn't be me and be her inbetween Without you... ~Robert Smith Inbetween Days

The 13-year-old daughter doesn't get pregnant from wanting to look like Britney Spears. She gets pregnant when the parents fail to talk openly about sex and the consequences of sexual activity with her.

Nahh, most kids know about sex. She gets pregnant because britney spears et al taught her that women are for sex. She knows she *should* use a condom, but when some guy doesn't want to use a condom she decides that the risk of pregnancy is less important than fulfilling her role as a female.

Well that's odd because I've never seen Britney Spears fucking a guy and getting pregnant on TV. Could you tell me what time that's on, because I don't want to miss it. I'll put my VCR on timer for THAT one, Britney shagging some guy right on TV. All I ever see her do is dance around like a dork and lip-sync to that dopey music of hers. And if Britney Spears is teaching this girl that women are for sex, what are her teachers and her parents and her friends teaching her? What has she taught herself?

Maybe we should agree to disagree. This seems like the beginning of a long debate, and I'm not willing to go on and on about it. Especially when I'm hardly convinced my position is correct anyway.

I'll never believe that television causes anyone, at any age, to be other than what they are already. If she does some guy at 13, it's because nobody taught her any self-respect or anything.

surely you won't deny that she is very sexual.

her friends are telling her that britney spears is right. her parents are telling her to be back before 11.

yes.

well, i read a stellar britney quote a few weeks back in the paper. when asked who she would vote for she said :"whoever my parents tell me to , i guess" as if that is any sort of a role model for a young girl.:< Saerah "Are we going to the same place? if so, can I come?" ~ Eddie Vedder "The Almighty thinks he can get me out of this, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."~Stephen (from Braveheart) "Practice deliberate acts of kindness and purposeful acts of beauty"

Saerah Schreiber said:

Britney Spears is otnay ootay ightbray. Defininitely!

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

Michael Pierry said:

For that matter, there's no particular reason to believe that she's even sexually active, in real life. She has a rough schedule, and pretty much lives for her career.

It's true, though, that the _role she plays_ is pretty slutty. And many people see the role, and couldn't care less about the reality.

Indeed, if she's absorbing her primary values from a pop star rather than her family, there's something seriously wrong in her life that changing the content of TV programming is NOT going to cure.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

Alli said:

Um, she really shouldn't be having sex at 13. I'm all in favor of young romance, but that's a bit _too_ young, don't you think, to be going all the way?

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

that's not what the media's been telling her.

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Alli said:

What have her _parents_ been telling her?

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

I don't know, but I just want to say, I'm not the father, and I SWEAR she looked 18, your honor!

"Jordan S. Bassior" wrote:

nothing. they let the TV raise her. that's the problem.

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And then they blame the TV for any problems that arise later. Everything is somebody else's fault these days. Nobody is willing to take resposibility for their own failings. "It's Mommy and Daddy's fault that I chopped those twelve people to pieces with an axe. I need love and therapy, not punishment."

Feh.

[email] (Michael Sears) wrote in :

Hey maybe someone did invent a "Sombody Else's Problem" field :)

<Pink Floyd> One of these days I'm gonna chop you into little pieces ! </Pink Floyd>

:)

Yeah those of us that *ARE* prepared to take the resposibility for our own actions seem few and far between these days :(

Phill.

"Be quiet and watch TV."

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Yep. Much worse than Bubbles, Blossom, and Buttercup :)

I'd suggest that this would have more to do with their daughter's own decisions.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

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*giant snips on the evil that is MTV*

Bwaaahahahahahhahahahahaha! Sorry, I was just picturing Daria on Comedy Central. Riiiiight, running right between Strip Mall and South Park! (I love both those shows, so I'm allowed to diss them.)

I'd watch it. But I'd be too busy taping to watch anything else . . . I totally need a splitter switch.

I was thinking about this too, but I went over the same list as you did above and came to an unescapable, albeit rather shocking, conclusion: short of that All Daria Network, MTV is the best channel for Daria to be on. Except maybe HBO, but then you'd have to pay for HBO. I mean, can you imagine Daria on a network? Daria on ABC or NBC... the show would be a distant memory by now, just like My So-Called Life and Freaks and Geeks. Shows that even get close to any kind of realistic portrayal of life don't make it on network TV. They don't get enough ratings, and ratings are EVERYTHING on the networks, so they die a quick death. On cable, you can get away with having MUCH lower ratings.

have you WATCHED mtv lately? all they show is real world reruns and nsync behind the scenes crap....the only videos they show are during TRL.

utterly disgusted, Danielle

Not if you watch MTV2, which is found on sattelite dishes, etc. Just videos. 24 hours a day. No commericals. You can email them with your requests. They devote just as much attention to obscure early 80's music as the latest pop video. It's a great network.

videos. 24

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video.

oh sure, rub it in...... ;-�

satellite is too rich for my blood.....besides, I get a discount on my cable modem for being a cable subscriber. but I agree, its a great watch.....

~Firemaple

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Hurt me, why don't you? Rub it IN, why don't you? I requested MTV2 to be put onto our local cable stations some three years ago when I viewed those "M2 on MTV" one hour samplings and was totally blown away by all the great '80s and "modern rock/alternative" videos I spotted. I got nothing but a brick wall. And being that my parents and I just got some expenses taken care of, we can NOT afford satellite TV at this moment. *whaaaaaaaaa!* Damndamndamndamndamndamndamndamndamndamndamndamndamndamn.

Come to think of it, on this Japan/David Sylvian video compilation I got for $35, two (TWO) David Sylvian videos were recorded off MTV2...I'll bet they also play Japan, Arcadia, Neurotic Outsiders, Visage, Heaven 17, Roxy Music, Bryan Ferry... *choke*

LI (who so desperately wants satellite TV at this moment)

uh-oh. sorry.

I requested MTV2

cable companies are horribly unresponsive to new channel requests.

um, i should go. <backs away from computer>

now wouldn't be the best time to say that there are two recievers in my home, and one of them is for my parents and brother and the rest is for me and my tv only, right? if we had two satellites, too, i'd mail you my reciever and dish. you poor thing. ;(

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*giggle* Don't worry. I'm not really angry at you or saddened or anything. I really wish I *did* have satellite TV because of MTV2 and BBC America, but it's okay. I have "Daria", and "Whose Line is it Anyway?", and tons of videos to tide me over until I can afford my own satellite TV system.

I can tell.

Hey, don't be frightened of me. PLEASE don't feel frightened of me. As the only good bit of advice I got when training for work can be paraphrased, "I'm not angry at you, I'm angry at the situation".

PLEASE girl. You haven't done anything to deserve my wrath and anger.

Um, actually that's only enough to make me only the slightest bit jealous. Heh. Hell, the only thing that makes me intensely jealous is hearing that someone actually landed front row tickets to a 1984 Duran Duran concert *PLUS* backstage passes *and* has the "Into the Arena" game *and* Nick Rhodes' "Interference" book of photography. If you had that, I would have reason to be jealous.

Nonononononononono. PLEASE no sympathy. Please. Just accept my apologies for making you feel sorry. I did not aim for that. I was just venting, sweetie. Thanks, though.

*hugs*,

LI

At least you *saw* it. Because of a rain-storm, right after the commercial break was over and "Act 3" was supposed to start, my sattelite dish lost its signal. Luckily, it reconnected, so I saw from the scene where Daria is talking to Quinn in the kitchen on to the end. Can anyone tell me what I missed?

The reason it was so predictable was because...... YOU SPOILED YOURSELF!

No hard feelings, just had to do that.

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The great irony here was Daria's rhetorical question, earlier that same episode, "Can you _really_ see me making out with _anyone?_" Ok, she didn't exactly "make out" with Tom, but the _second kiss_ (which Tom did _not_ steal, unlike the first one) was definitely passionate.

Yes. In most sitcoms, animated or not, Daria would be frozen into her "role" as if it were a magical mind control prison.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

I guess her "Dammit! Dammit, dammit, dammit!" after the kiss proves, if nothing else, that she *is* Jake's biological child.