#513 boxing daria (spoilers) or, seinfeld and daria

s p o i l e r s p a c e i f y o u h a v e n o t y e t s e e n 5 1 3 . . . . . . .

just a quick thought: i'm _really_ glad to see that the series/season finale didn't suck. they didn't try to make it anything different,** just the same old, same old (ironically, this is a blessing) high quality, excellent daria. i am sooo happy with tonights ep.

**anything different, as in, you all recall the last ep of "seinfeld"? i myself wasn't a fan of the show, but i watched the over-hyped last ep. they tried _way_ too hard to make it a retrospective, memorable clip show and, from my p.o.v., failed miserably. i'm glad glen and co. at "daria" were smart enough to just make a complete, well-done story and show it like they always have. that way, it's left to _us_ to realize how much we've loved it throughout the years, and that we're sad to see it go. i think "seinfeld" tried to shove their 'goodbye' down everyone's throat, and let me say, we would have picked up on it on our own, had they done a "normal," well-written episode.

anyway, now i can't get OLP's "life" out of my head, it having been used at the beginning and end of act ii tonight...

Know all men by these presents, that the aforesaid [email] (Krimren) did write in news:[email], on the date of 25 Jun 2001: a - l a r g e - b o x - f u l l - o f - s p o i l e r - s p a c e * * *

I was riveted. After the first flashback scene I knew this episode was going to be a keeper. It's too early for me to come up with a coherent overview (it's also 11:10 p.m., so it's too *late* for me to do so), but there were so many outstanding moments...the two that especially stay with me are Daria embracing Jane in the diner and Daria reading Quinn's note on the box.

I wasn't a huge fan of 'Seinfeld,' but at its best it was exceptionally funny, and I wanted to Elvisize my TV after I watched the last episode. The thing I hated most was the attitude that the four main characters deserved to be punished for being such creeps. All of the humor in the show was built around the fact that that they were creeps! To punish them for it seemed like saying to the audience, "Aren't you ashamed of yourselves for laughing at what these people did?" I felt as though I'd seen a "Fawlty Towers" movie in which Basil ended up in prison for being mean to Manuel.

Well, there is still the final movie (anybody know the date for that yet?), but I have high hopes for it, and that's fairly unusual for me.

I wondered what that music was. (One of the few problems with being a middle-aged 'Daria' fan is that I rarely recognize the music used in the episodes - makes me feel old and out-of-touch. Kind of like Jake, in fact.)

-Mark Steese a/k/a Corvus Marinus

Corvus Marinus said:

Heh, that's one way in which Seinfeld was very much like Fawlty Towers. Most of the characters on FT were annoying imbeciles -- the only character who was both sympathetic and portrayed respectfully was Connie (who by coincidence was played by Cleese's then-wife!) :)

Mark Steese/Corvus Marinus wrote:

Those were neat scenes, indeed! I especially found Quinn's note on the box intriguing indications that she has some capacity to care for Daria.

I don't know the date of the movie, but I too am looking forward to seeing a quality good-bye to the show from Eichler & Co.

You're not the only one -- I don't always recognize the music used in the episodes, either -- and I'm almost 30 (definite indication of my age).

Belle Book

I don't recall flashbacks of that length ever before on the series. I remember writing a fanfic with long Highland-era flashbacks and thinking that was the sort of thing that would never be done in a real episode.

More than that. Quinn also understands what's important to Daria in that scene. In the past, when Quinn tried to show "caring", she tried to give Daria the sort of thing she herself would want - like offering to do a makeover in "Through a Lens Darkly" or how to pump Tom for an anniversary present in "Sappy Anniversary".

M Man

SA is a midway point. Quinn doesn't want Tom to take Daria for granted. So she tries to prod Tom into remembering so he'll do something -- anything -- for Daria, no matter how wierd Quinn might find what he does for her.

"...there are evil men in the world, truly evil men. Sometimes we hear of them, but more often they work in absolute darkness." Stephen King, _'Salem's Lot_

Argh. I must know, what happened during the last five minutes of that episode? I was merrily watching it, right up to the scene where Daria came back home, talked to Helen and Jake, and then went up to her room. A storm front chose that moment to dump a load of rain, cutting off the signal until, naturally, 2 minutes after the show ended. I thought I would be able to guess some of what happened, but I need details! Details! Please?

Errr......I'm 16 and rarely recognize the music. Of course, I usually listen to some of the CDs randomly scattered around the house instead of the radio.

jessica, who is more in touch with pop music than her friend rebecca, though

Darie goes up to her room, finds the box sitting there. There's a note on it to the effect of "In case you need it again. Quinn".

"...there are evil men in the world, truly evil men. Sometimes we hear of them, but more often they work in absolute darkness." Stephen King, _'Salem's Lot_

Know all men by these presents, that the aforesaid [email] (Belle Book) did write in news:[email], on the date of 26 Jun 2001:

F r e a k i n ' s p o i l e r - s p a c e - f o r - f r e a k i n ' 5 1 3

It's also interesting in light of the earlier scene where Quinn hauls the box to the curb; bringing the box into the house and up the stairs is not what she'd consider an easy task. Other people taking pains to help Daria was a recurring theme in the episode - Mr. O'Neill was willing to let her do the freshman tour in her own style, Helen and Jake were willing to be completely truthful with her, and Jane drove out to meet her in the middle of the night in a rainstorm (was that Trent's car she was driving?). Daria's beginning to realize how much her family and her friends love her, and she's beginning to acknowledge how much she cares about them.

And of course, if I win the MTV contest, I'll end up as a background character. ^_^

I wonder who picks out the music? Another show that used contemporary music to great effect was "Homicide: Life on the Street," and I think they actually employed a 'song wrangler' to identify usable tracks. It was H:LotS that turned me into a Tom Waits fan.

-Mark Steese a/k/a Corvus Marinus

Mark Steese/Corvus Marinus wrote:

No, it isn't an easy task for her, but as M Man said, Quinn's beginning to show her caring by doing things for Daria that fit in more with Daria's interests than with Quinn's own interests. I suspect that when Quinn realized that Daria liked the current box because it reminded her of that box Daria had as a child, that showed Quinn that what she had once seen as a chore could be something valuable.

Best of luck.

Belle Book

Belle Book said:

show

Daria

child,

valuable.

I think Quinn is developing into a genuinely decent human being.

I love the way they use music throughout the episodes (and, once upon a time, over the closing credits, too... instead of "Hash Pipe" for the billionth time....). Hearing a song I love on the show, or something new and current, or even an old song makes it so much more enjoyable for me. I don't know why. I just like to see how they work them in, and once in a while, the meanings behind the songs parallel what's happening in the episode. Ooh I love it I love it!

"Krimren" wrote in message news:[email]...

they

time,

You mean "H... Pipe"? :-)

ugh stupid mtv! it's not like we're clueless as to what they're saying! if they cut any*more* out of songs, they might as well run sesame street epsiodes with no audio. *god forbid* you offend someone! i hate the mtv censors! oh wait, come to think of it, better cancel the sesame street, too. bert and ernie spend an *awful* lot of time in bed together... ;)

On 26 Jun 2001 06:24:13 GMT, [email] (Corvus Marinus) wrote:

You know, now that I think about it, that last episode reminds me a great deal of the endings of most of the Monty Python movies. After laugh after laugh, the end of "The Holy Grail" is a complete knock-the-ground-out-from-under-the-viewer type of thing. They are *finally* lining up for battle, and the cops show up and arrest them. I don't know why, but the two seem similar.