Does anybody think that an "Andrea" series could work? I know, she's an incredibly minor character, but Daria didn't exactly get a lot of screen-time on "Beavis and Butthead".
Here's why I think it could work - to the best of my knowledge, there are no shows about goths on TV (at least none that have made it over here to England, anyway). They could do the same thing they did with "Daria" by having her move to a new town where she fits in slightly better. She could have a couple of other goths to hang out with (throw in a punk as well, and if you don't mind stretching credibility, a real vampire would be good).
Here's why it might not work - three letters: M. T. V. They'd probably use all the usual goth stereotypes (I know very few goths who actively worship Satan). Although if it was done by the "Daria" writing team, it just might work.
I have trouble with this concept, because, well, we don't know anything about Andrea, except that she dresses goth.
That's not enough to sustain a series.
You can do a show about goths, but it has to be a show about people who happen to be goths. Any subculture-based show must be character driven rather than culture driven. You have to have realized characters facing conflicts, with the culture adding a little bit of flavoring, but not really driving the show.
For instance, "Daria" works because Daria is an interesting character, not because we have all been dying for a show about the people who didn't fit in high school.
On 19 Jul 98 13:46:30 GMT, [email] (Xiphias Gladius) wrote:
Not to mention the fact that Daria got more screen time on "Beavis and Butt-head" (even if you count her no-lines appearances) than Andrea ever did in "Daria". She may have had only a handful of appearances, but those appearances were fully realized. Andrea, on the other hand, has had only a scant few throw-away lines... nowhere near enough to create anything close to a personality. (Anyone can cheer when they think they've won a pool ["The Big House"] or can tell an annoying jerk to go stuff himself ["Fair Enough"].) All we have to go on is a "look", and as you said, that's not enough.
There's that, too. :-)
Martin ---- Quinn: Daria, you can't leave me here with those, those yuppies! Daria: Yuppies are from the 80s. Quinn: So, what do you call people with funny outfits who talk about peace and love and stuff? Daria: Trekkies. ---- To send E-mail, remove the "nospam" from my E-mail address.
But she certainly seems to be an interesting character. IMO, Daria's B&B appearances made her out to be a dull caricature of the Daria we're familiar with. Andrea's first major appearance in "Cafe Disaffecto", reading that poem, was interesting enough for the fan community to ask for more Andrea, and we're starting to get more (she's had two alter-egos, about the same as Jesse). I still support my idea.
On the subject, there are a couple more spin-offs that might be easier -
"Mystik Spiral" - Perfect, even the title sounds cool (would it help if they spelled "Mystik" with two Y's?)
"Amy" - Aunt Amy from "I Don't". Everybody I've spoken to thought she was a great character. Personally, I see this one as being live action rather than animated.
On 19 Jul 1998 15:19:48 GMT, [email] (Shadoc64) wrote:
But as I said, "what character"? By my counting, she's had one appearance that's even come close to major ("Cafe Disaffecto"), and a scant two or three throw-away lines. I guess you and I will just have to disagree on how much is needed to make a character interesting. :-) For me, it takes more than what I've seen.
I have to respectfully disagree. Daria was never fully fleshed out (so to speak) until she got her own show, it's true, but the few glimpses we saw on "B&B" were still enough to lay more of a foundation for her character than Andrea has ever gotten on "Daria" (even when you count the poetry reading in "Cafe"). Her use of B&B as guinea pigs foreshadowed her science project with Kevin in "Lab Brats", and her total disdain for being made fashion editor of the Highland High student paper made pretty clear her outlook on life in general (and fashion-itis specificallY).
It has? First I've seen of it, to be honest. The most I've seen is, "let's see a little bit more". Making the leap from that to "give her her own show" is one that I doubt even Evel Knivel would attempt. :-)
Good for you! It's actually nice to see people stand behind their ideas for a change. "That's how good art becomes great art." <grin>
That's another thing I fear: dipping into the well too many times. Not many shows have been able to successfully spin off minor characters. "All in the Family" (which spun off "Good Times", "Maude", and "The Jeffersons") and "Cheers" (which spun off "Frasier") are the only two I can think of that succeeded. Oh, and "Star Trek", of course, which looks like it'll be around as long as there's enough milk in that cash cow for Paramount to collect. :-)
Do you seriously think Trent and Jessie could carry their own show? I suppose anything's possible, though, given the popularity of B&B. :-)
Great character, yes, but you know what'd be the response? "A 'Daria' clone." The two would be too similar for MTV to bother with it, I'd think.
Martin ---- Quinn: Daria, you can't leave me here with those, those yuppies! Daria: Yuppies are from the 80s. Quinn: So, what do you call people with funny outfits who talk about peace and love and stuff? Daria: Trekkies. ---- To send E-mail, remove the "nospam" from my E-mail address.
trekkies never die...they just pass on their souls to their trekkie children...that whole series will never ever end;) if i were the person to invent star trek...imagine the$$!
"Don't worry, I don't have low self esteem. It's a mistake. I have low esteem for everyone else."---Daria ("Esteemsters") " I gotta cover my butt cause I covet another man's wife"- a.d. Still a member of alt. celibacy. involuntary...
"Don't worry, I don't have low self esteem. It's a mistake. I have low esteem for everyone else."---Daria ("Esteemsters") " I gotta cover my butt cause I covet another man's wife"- a.d. Still a member of alt. celibacy. involuntary...
Hey don't forget Family Matters, a very successfull show was spun off from Perfect Strangers. Of course I don't think the show would have a lasted as long as it did without Urkel.
On 20 Jul 1998 19:50:26 GMT, [email] (Jsd19) wrote:
I didn't know Urkel was in "Family Matters"...
(Joking!)
Martin ---- Quinn: Daria, you can't leave me here with those, those yuppies! Daria: Yuppies are from the 80s. Quinn: So, what do you call people with funny outfits who talk about peace and love and stuff? Daria: Trekkies. ---- To send E-mail, remove the "nospam" from my E-mail address.
"Don't worry, I don't have low self esteem. It's a mistake. I have low esteem for everyone else."---Daria ("Esteemsters") " I gotta cover my butt cause I covet another man's wife"- a.d. Still a member of alt. celibacy. involuntary...
Well, there are a few shows that have been massively spun off: IIRC, "Love, American Style" spun off "Happy Days," but I may be wrong about that. However, "Happy Days" spun off "Laverne and Shirly", "Joanie Loves Chachi", and "Mork and Mindy". Which generated the animated shows "Happy Days In Space" (I forget what the actual title was), "Laverne and Shirley in the Army", and "The Mork and Mindy Cartoon Show".
I think there are others, too. . . okay, a lot of those are incredebly painfully bad, so I don't knbow if this counts as *sucessfully* spinning off. But they did have a *lot*.
On 20 Jul 98 15:58:51 GMT, [email] (Xiphias Gladius) wrote:
Correctamundo, to quote a certain leather-jacketed individual. :-)
I did forget "Laverne & Shirley" and "Mork & Mindy", which were moderate (M&M) to big (L&S) successes. However, the less said about those dime-store animated abortions, the better. :-)
Yeah, I was pretty much thinking that "successful" and "painfully bad" were mutually exclusive. <grin>
Martin ---- Quinn: Daria, you can't leave me here with those, those yuppies! Daria: Yuppies are from the 80s. Quinn: So, what do you call people with funny outfits who talk about peace and love and stuff? Daria: Trekkies. ---- To send E-mail, remove the "nospam" from my E-mail address.
Actually, think of Letterman and Leno. Both are practically unwatchable, but have pretty high ratings. Same goes with SNL, at least lately. I'm sure there are a lot of other shows are like that.
Daria: I just need to go to the bathroom... Jane: Good idea. Check your lack of makeup.
well, leno ain't too bad. keep in mind there is nothing else on at that time.I sit around waiting for my conan;) Jewlya
"Don't worry, I don't have low self esteem. It's a mistake. I have low esteem for everyone else."---Daria ("Esteemsters") " I gotta cover my butt cause I covet another man's wife"- a.d. Still a member of alt. celibacy. involuntary...
You too, eh? I've always been of the firm belief that Conan is funnier either Leno or Letterman (in my opinion they're both completely unwatchable). Never mind the fact that I'm missing it right now to read NG posts... thank goodness for VCRs.
-Mindy
Daria: I just need to go to the bathroom... Jane: Good idea. Check your lack of makeup.
I always thought that all the Daria supporting cast seemed kinda one-dimensional, intentionally. But who knows? Speaking of Goth, has anyone else seen the Saturday Night Live sketch "Goth Talk". It is the only funny sketch they have.
Not entirely. Daira works now because the character is good. The show originally became popular because a show about an outcast was needed. The character sustains the concept, not the other way around.