interesting "bromwell" tidbit

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i *finally* got to see is it college yet?. luckily i caught the last showing and was able to tape it, even if it was the cut-for-commercials version.

an earlier post assumed that "bromwell" was yale. however, something in the dialogue caught my ear, which would have completely whooshed over my head if i hadn't been reading "the journal of john winthrop" earlier for a class.

winthrop was one of the early settlers in new england, coming over in 1630. many of the first towns had different names than they do now.

tom and daria drove to "newtown" for bromwell, correct? in john winthrop's journal, he talks about the governor (himself) "being then at newtown..." a footnote states "newtown was shortly to be renamed cambridge".

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assuming that the writers do their homework for false names (and i'd think it's a definite possibility), they could have used cambridge's old name of newtown. therefore, bromwell is harvard.

do you like my theory?

ja ne hotaru, who *really* should be posting more... :)

"hotaru" wrote in message news:[email]...

One problem with that -- Bromwell is at least a couple hours' drive from Boston (remember it took Tom, Daria, & Kay 7 hours in bad traffic/weather). I know metro Boston traffic is bad, but it's not that bad.

In article , [email] says...

I noticed this when I saw IICY, as well. There is a plaque on the main entrance to Harvard Yard about how it originally (1636) was Cambridge College in Newtowne.

Then they changed Newtowne to Cambridge and, later, the College changed its name to Harvard.

There are now also a Harvard Massachusetts and a Newton Massachusetts but they've got nothing to do with the University.

But Harvard is only 3 subway stops from Boston, not a 3.5 hour drive.

I agree that the Bromwell attitude fits a fair, but minority, portion of Harvard's folks. There is also a definite legacy angle there. However, the same can be said of Yale (among others) as well. Yale fits better given the distance given.

Oddly, Raft College looked more like Harvard than just about any other school in the Boston area, except you can't drive through the Yard to get a view of it like they did in Daria. Wellesley also comes to mind.

My wife's theory is that Raft is Tufts (Go Jumbos!), although the campus looks nothing like Raft's.

And before anyone gives me grief about what I said about Harvard - I went there so I can say what I please.

So there. Nayh.

allan

"Allan Matthews" wrote in message news:[email]...

Why would Daria apply to Yale and not even consider Harvard but rather some non-Ivy League college in Boston?.. Also most of Ivy League colleges north of NYC are pretty close to each other, is there really such a huge academic difference between Yale on one hand and Cornell or Harvard on the other? Could it be that the writers exercised their "writers' freedom" and shortened the distance between Cornell (which may seem like a number one school if Lawndale is somewhere between Albany and Buffalo) and Boston so that it would still be possible to make it to Boston in 3.5 hours? Otherwise they couldn't have stayed in "Bromwell" (sounds like "Cornell", doesn't it?) overnight, they would've just had to leave as they planned and that would've screwed up the whole plot... And by the way, how do ppl who think that Lawndale is in Connecticut account for the fact that it is completely unlike the rest of New England?

Actually i understand now that this post is about Lawndale being in upstate New York. Maryland or Delaware seem unlikely as it is very hard to get from there to Boston in one day with a several hour long stopover on the way... And if they are driving from all of way south, why Princeton or Columbia were never an option? Maybe "Boston" means "New York"? :))))

• lupin

In article , [email] says...

I also find this odd, but then, it's only a cartoon and they're trying to make a plotline work.

Well, within about 6 hours of each other. I believe Brown and Cornell are the furthest apart.

I ain't gonna touch that one.

Personally, I think they picked 3.5 hours so that it WOULDN'T fit any particular Ivy school.

Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Island are a lot different from the Northern New England states.

"Just repeat to yourself 'It's just a show'."

allan

Because she knew it was Tom's first choice?

Good point -- Yale seems a little too close, Princeton and Cornell are too far, and it didn't look like they were in NYC which would leave out Columbia. The few 'upper crust' colleges that aren't Ivy but which are sometimes confused with them also seem too close. If 'Browell' is supposed to be a real college, other than Yale, about the only college I can think of that might fit might be Colgate, or is that too far as well?

Well, what do we really know about Lawndale, other than it appears to be a fairly small but wealthy community with few minorites? There are no real accents, it's somewhere near the east coast (hurricanes are possible but not likely and it's a four hour drive to "The Cove," although that doesn't mean the nearest coast is that far away); and according to IICY if you leave sometime in the morning you can get to Bromwell by the early afternoon, and it's possible to get from Bromwell to Boston in 3.5 hours on a good day. Where there any other clues in the series?

When the series first started, I thought it might be set in central California, but by the middle of season one I thought Connecticut was the most likely, and thought so until IICY. Now, if it can be located, I'd have to say somewhere nearer Philadelphia (SE Pa, South Jersey, n. Delaware, maybe n. Maryland). Obviously, others might disagree.

"T"

"lupin" wrote in message news:QoL58.5073$[email]...

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There are non-Ivy League colleges in Boston? Besides community colleges?

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"Fizz Ed," when the ambulance that hauled Ms. Li to the looney bin had orange & blue New York license plates(1973-1987). Then again, that could also be Oregon, but I seriously doubt it's in Oregon.

D. T. Dey

"Daniel Dey" wrote in message news:...

I'd be proud to have Lawndale in Oregon. In fact, I think I live there now. Of course, we've never been hit by a hurricane. *sigh* We can only hope though.

Jess AKA RabidCureFan, HentaiJess, and/or JMStargazer

In article , [email] says...

No hurricanes. Just volcanos. 23 between Shasta and Baker. ... and we all know where crater lake came from. Hoosh.

L&R

so i guess the color of license plates isn't really an evidence of anything, is it? Any Eastern state south of NY seems unlikely to me as they don't pass NYC (and NY/NJ traffic) on their way to Boston in IICY. If it's not a completely fictional location (which i am inclined to seriously consider) it is probably one of these: upstate NY, eastern Pennsylvania or Connecticut. And out of these NY seems most likely to me. And btw, a hurricane from Daria! wasn't really a hurricane like they get in Florida, it was just a "big wet storm".

-l.

There *is* a Lawndale near Baltimore, a very tiny subreb. I think even Eichler himself hinted at it in an interview with TOON magazine...

Thanks.

-Steven Galloway

When I was posting regularly on alt.tv.simpsons, I suggested that since the creator of the show (Matt Groening) was from Oregon, there was a good chance that, if Springfield was anywhere real, it was somewhere in the Pacific Northwest.

Is Glenn Eichler from Maryland? If so, that would strengthen the case that Lawndale is supposed to be in Maryland.

Steve Cross

On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:21:31 GMT, [email] (Steve Cross) wrote:

Being within (easy?) driving distance from Boston, as depicted in IICY, certainly seems to nail down Lawndale's location as being in the New England area, if not Maryland itself. Heck, I've been saying "New England" for the past few years; it's kinda nice to finally get validation on my theory. :-)

Martin
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Maryland isn't in New England.

******Martin Edwards.******

Come on! Nobody's gonna drive that lousy freeway when you can take the Red Car for a nickel.

-Eddy Valiant

On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:37:59 +0000 (UTC), [email] (Martin Edwards) wrote:

Whatever. The East Coast... one of the Colony states... whatever. The point is that IICY effectively ruled out any state beyond the East Coast, especially California and Texas (two fanfic favorites). "Within reasonable driving distance of Boston" is probably as close as we're ever going to get, anyway, so the *precise* location isn't really important.

Martin
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