Well, Well, Well.
I think it is time to remind everyone that DARIA IS A CARTOON, She is NOT, I emphasize NOT a real person. Therefor, If you have sexual fantasies about a cartoon.
THERE IS SOMTHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH YOU, YOU SHOULD CONSULT A PSYCHIATRIST IMMEDIETLY! AND MEET SOME REAL HUMAN PEOPLE OF THE OPPOSITE SEX!
Gah Gah Damnit!
"Contentious Objector" wrote in message news:QhSb4.25977$[email]...
True. I love Daria for her mind.
However I guess you haven't seen Little Annie Fannie.
On Mon, 03 Jan 2000 00:44:32 GMT, "Contentious Objector" wrote:
What the fuck is a *Contentious* objector? I've heard of conscientious, but this is a new one.
Anyway...
Ever watch any (real) Japanese Anime?
Look it up in the Dictionary!
"Contentious Objector" wrote
(in response to a post which asked 'what's a Contentious objector', and god bless him for NOT overquoting!)
According to Webster's New Universal Unabridged Dictionary Contentious means:
"Tending to argument or strife; quarrelsome"... or "causing, involving, or characterized by argument or controversy" also: LEGAL TERM: "Pertaining to causes between contending parties".
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle...
so I guess a 'Contentious Objector' is someone who OBJECTS to being quarrelsome or arguementive. Or, he is simply a an Objector who is best described as 'Contentious'. Probably the second one.
That is an incredibly short-sighted, narrow-minded view.
On Mon, 03 Jan 2000 00:44:32 GMT, "Contentious Objector" wrote:
Kyle, he who means well The Shane Andrews of alt.sports.baseball.chicago-cubs
re: thread title, as in WHAT THE HELL is Mr. Contentious Objector talking about?
and is it ok to have sexual fantasies about 'real' TV characters, like the girls from 'Friends'? (that's why 'real' is in quotes, BTW) How about women who wouldn't give you the time of day in real life? Or women who have been airbrushed? Maybe ALL sexual fantasies are bad and we should all just cut off our sexual organs so we aren't plauged by these demonic dreams any longer...
or maybe it's just harmless fun, who knows?
"Kyle" wrote in message news:84ovaq$ick$[email]...
zackly... animated pornography is common in Japan, for one thing... hentai... of course what was posted here wasn't porn which is another issue... and who cares? people will do what they will do y'know :)
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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Contentious Objector said:
She's a *character* ... and thus as "real" as charactes played by live actresses are. Keep in mind that the actors and actresses you see on the screen are not the characters they play.
One can as easily have romantic fantasies about Daria as about any other character.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man, as we know him, is a poor creature; but he is halfway between an ape and a god and he is travelling in the right direction." (Dean William R. Inge)
On Mon, 03 Jan 2000 00:44:32 GMT, "Contentious Objector" wrote:
If everybody who's keen on Lara Croft is a lunatic, there are millions of them. Besides, from the standpoint of a common man, Daria is as available as Pam Anderson. MSB
p.s.: If you are referring to the announcement of my pictures, you haven't looked at them apparently because THEY DON'T HAVE SEXUAL CONTENT!!!!!
Don't get me started on Tomb Raider Freaks
I would suggest people into Laura Croft should be castrated, however given their chances of reproducing the odds of their genes being passed on are virtually nil
In case you guys didn't notice before or after the infamous "TDH" incidents, there is NOTHING that annoys me more than unjustified condescending attitudes. Man I wish I had a killfile...
On Tue, 04 Jan 2000 01:38:52 GMT, "Contentious Objector" wrote:
Kyle, he who means well The Shane Andrews of alt.sports.baseball.chicago-cubs
In article , "Contentious Objector" wrote:
Thank you for that sickening look at lack of compassion and wonderful narrow mindedness towards your fellow homo sapiens...
cheryl
In article , "Contentious Objector" wrote:
Don't know if this is a joke or not, but this subject is something I have to deal with considering I am a cartoonist myself and interested in media literacy. So I'll use the opportunity to bring this up...
As far as my informal observation on the subject goes, it's not unhealthy to have a "crush" or even have sexual fantasies about cartoon characters. It is in fact much easier to do so because of their iconic nature. With Daria's realistic personality and ultra simplistic rendering, it might be easier for fans to "fall in love" with her. It's very easy to create a fantasy around a character whose physical details the audience can subconsciously create. The more the merrier. You also get this thing where some fan artists get so hung up on characters that they draw more realistic versions of the characters in an attempt to --- "realize their actuality". It happens in almost all cartoon fandoms I have seen. There's nothing wrong or abnormal or unhealty about it. As long as you keep your mind's distance from a fictional character on the screen... you can really get into her and all but you have a keen grasp on reality and know for sure she is fake and that fact doesn't bother you... you are okay, which I'm sure most Daria fans are.
You start running into health problems when you fail to see the difference between real and fantasy, and most of your attention is put on fantastical characters rather than interaction with real people (which I have actually seen. usually these people have really screwed up views of society and women). There's also a danger with objectification of females with cartoon characters with this.
I imagine the original post might be a response to that "erotic" Daria fan art that was solicited here earlier. Well, yeah, I personally think it's in very poor taste, but there's really nothing wrong with it. In the 7 years I've run through cartoon fandoms, I've seen all sorts erotic cartoon pictures, and I'm dulled to the sensation of seeing cartoon character X naked/bent over/having anal sex/etc... and even met many of the people who drew them (who usually surprise me by being perfectly normal people) so I guess I can understand the mentality. Yet still I can't have sexual fantasies about cartoons. I just can't seem to get over the fact that cartoons are fake, and it's difficult to imagine it. The only way I've been able to actually see that kind of thing actualized is if some person draws it and shoves it in my face (which has happened on quite a regular basis. I have horror stories), and I never draw it myself. But that stuff still threw me back from potential careers. You get blacklisted by publishers for even having a conversation with porn fan artists. In my case it was with a legitimate publisher that published slightly risque material (I only agreed to do clean stuff, but that didn't stop the McCarthyism from striking me).
cb... http://animation.acmecity.com/model/347/main.html
Personally I don't find Daria very attractive in a sexual sense, and as for Laura Croft, Yuk! But I am pro choice. If you don't like nudity or pornography whatever form it may take, don't look at it.
Miles.
Buster Logan said:
I did not know that. Why are the publishers so paranoid?
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
"Man, as we know him, is a poor creature; but he is halfway between an ape and a god and he is travelling in the right direction." (Dean William R. Inge)
In article ,
I guess it's alright if you lay low like I do now, but it's really just because they don't like it. Just like any other kinda social/business order, they figure you're a perv fanboy so you probably aren't worth anything. Keep in mind I didn't even draw anything even remotely with sex in it, not even naked people, I just did business with someone who everyone *thought* was a dirty perv publisher (ie: they published stuff by artists who did that kinda stuff).
I imagine it was just the circle of people I was dealing with at the time, so I'm not saying this is a universal thing.
On Tue, 04 Jan 2000 11:32:42 GMT, Buster Logan wrote:
poor taste? Have you actually looked at my pictures (in which case I accept your opinion) or are you just extrapolating from other erotic (or rather pornographic) toon pictures you have seen (in which case I tell you to look at my pictures before forming an opinion)?
please don't mention pictures like this in the same context as my pictures. People could get the wrong opinion. I want to repeat: my pictures DON'T HAVE SEXUAL CONTENT!
MSB
MSB wrote in message news:[email]...
I think there may have been a problem, MSB, in your choice of the word "erotic" to describe them. I've always understood "erotic" as "tending to promote sexual stimulation in the viewer or reader." The word does derive from "eros"!
NODE[1] defines "erotica" as "literature or art intended to arouse sexual desire."
There are plenty of nudes in galleries fequented by school visits: but a teacher who took kids to a gallery displaying erotica would face severe consequences (and rightly so, IMHO).
I've not looked at your pictures, MSB, so I can't comment on them.
Martin.
I wrote in message news:84v42g$j47$[email]...
Sorry about the missing footnote!
[1] New Oxford Dictionary of English, Oxford University Press, 1998.
Martin.
On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:08:42 -0000, "Martin Sylvester" wrote:
That's basically the definition that I use although I'd put "likely" instead of "intended". Anyway, I think the word does not imply sexual content as some people seem to think and I believe your dictionary backs me here. It doesn't say anything about sexual content in the artwork. Actually an erotic picture could just depict something like a hot dog, an inanimate object. MSB
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Maybe I'm speaking from a biased viewpoint here, but maybe this whole controversy, and my oh so silly slip up of forgetting to seperate the erotic from the sexually graphic is something to think about in itself. Like I said, I do understand where you're coming from. I had to deal with the whole erotic vs. porn thing when I was dealing with other artists 5 years ago. There was a difference, damn it, and I was trying to explain that. But when you draw a picture of a naked cartoon character, especially one that is a famous tv character, you instantly go from artistic integrity to instant perv in the eyes of most people. And eventually I reverted back to that thought process after a short battle with it. The whole ordeal of you having to explain that difference to everyone is kinda taxing, and you realize lots of people don't really care, they just see fan art of a naked cartoon character. And if you think about it, what does that look like to some passing Daria fan?
Again, I had already seen those pictures the day you solicited them, and the reason I didn't like them is because your execution could have been a tiny bit better, and I was also having some difficulties accepting the varying level of iconicism within the drawing, a usual problem with cartoon characters drawn nude (but that's something you actually did fairly well), what with an unexpected line or two popping up in the body and leg areas with a familiar Daria icon head. But the big one for me was just the whole idea of the story behind the picture seemed way too off key for a Daria story. In my own opinion. It seemed inconsistent with the whole Daria being. Well, I felt kinda stupid saying I didn't like your picture without explaining why. I didn't mean poor taste as in "dirty". And again, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with creating that art, but that's just what I thought.
On Thu, 06 Jan 2000 06:08:22 GMT, Buster Logan wrote:
I agree with you but my talent is limited. I worked very hard on all of those pictures and they are the best I can do. I wish I could do it better.
Try doing it with the original legs. Daria would look like an alien. I think my picture is a good compromise between the original style and something at least moderately human.
Maybe it's because of our different cultural background that we interpret her differently. I think the story would be fitting. But there's no need for us to argue about this. It's the same as with all fan fiction. Some think a specific fanfic is out of character, some disagree.
Thanks for clearing it up. MSB
In article , Buster Logan wrote:
The bad kind of "dirty"? (trying to keep the Daria theme)
cheryl
In article ,
Yes. And I read it, too (before I made that post).
Sorry, I didn't mean to do that. Maybe I should have put a disclaimer or explanation, or something, but I was just trailing off into the next thing I thought of. I know the difference between the two as well (porn/nude imagery), but in my experience, it almost doesn't matter trying to explain that difference to many people.
ah, but you see, this is the problem with people who vehemently and categorically attack things is that they get great pleasure in having no knowledge of what they're attacking ("what? of course I didn't look at that filth!") when the only way to know if it's filth is to look at it... sort of a vicious circle... so you either look and get grossed out or don't and keep your mouth shut ideally but too many don't look and don't keep their mouths shut.
Dagny
http://firefly.cc.st
"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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I'm missing something here... where did somebody say they were having sexual fantasies about Daria?
DJ
In article , "Contentious Objector" wrote:
There's a hella lotta people who _are_ into that sort of thing. If everybody thought "Perhaps there's something wrong with me", and went to see a shrink, then there'd be more psychiatrists than lawyers.
You're not the crazy one, it's the other guy. It's always the other guy.
Or the same sex. Or one sex pretending to be the other. Whatever floats your boat. These are the noughties after all...
My first post of the new year! Hi, everybody!