This is an issue that's been running through my head, perhaps for obvious reasons. Is it possible to write a "Daria" story that has SF elements, yet still remains true (or mostly true) to canon?
Speaking of canon, how is "Daria" canon defined? What sets of data constitute canon for this series? Thanks!
On 10 May 2002 15:11:03 GMT, [email] (Roger70129) wrote:
It can be, but it's difficult due to the fantasy nature of sci-fi.
IMHO, "canon" consists of the episodes and movies of the series. "Mostly canon" would be the two books, Anne Bernstein's "The Daria Diaries" and Peggy Nicoll's "The Daria Database" ("mostly canon" because not everything in the books jibes with what we've seen in the series, though I'd say it's 99% accurate). Anything else is a judgment call, though if it's contradicted by the series, my stance is that the series takes precedence.
Of course, all of this can be completely contradicted if necessary to make the story work. Writer's prerogative, y'know. :-)
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In article , [email] (Roger70129) writes:
Only for certain types of SF.
Stories about adult Daria should contain SF elements in the background, more so the further ahead they are set. The future is not going to be exactly like the present.
Stories that put the SF elements in the foreground are harder to do. You have to explain why they haven't appeared in the canon.
There are ways to do this, but they rarely fit the style of the episodes. In an alien invasion, Daria would be a bystander.
--- Matter is fundamentally lazy:- It always takes the path of least effort Matter is fundamentally stupid:- It tries every other path first. That is the heart of physics - The rest is details. Robert
In article , [email] (Roger70129) wrote:
"The Lawndale Files" was a great little SF story in its own weird cynical way. All the "supernatural" elements eventually wound up being misunderstandings. I liked that episode...I know a lot of people hated it.
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Is the episode/musical "Daria!" considered "canon"? Why/why not?
IMO, yes and no (mostly yes). The events in the story -- a storm hit Lawndale, Daria and Jane were trapped on the roof with Brittany and Kevin, Jake crashed the car when he and Trent went out to look for the girls -- most likely happened, just without any singing. However, any feelings characters expressed in song -- Helen's desire to be the perfect working wife and mother, her dispair at not being able to do that and her almost obsessive perfectionism at the office for example -- are real, even if they've never actually voiced them out-loud to others.
"...there are evil men in the world, truly evil men. Sometimes we hear of them, but more often they work in absolute darkness." Stephen King, _'Salem's Lot_
In article , [email] (Roger70129) wrote:
Unfortunately...yes. Glenn Eichler-penned (at least partially) episode.
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If you are going to dis something, please take the time to back it up with some sort of reasoning. By itself, "unfortunately" contributes absolutely nothing in the way of intelligent discorse or conversation.
In article , [email] (BA) wrote:
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OK, let's try this again.
"I don't really like 'Daria!' but yes, Glenn Eichler penned (at least partially) this episode, so that makes it about as canon as it's gonna get."
There now, you happy?
Anyway, "Daria!" is not an episode I like. It's one of the three (along with "Depth Takes A Holiday" and "Murder She Snored") that I cannot sit through. However, considering that Daria ran 65 episodes, 5 seasons, and spawned two TV movies, three bad apples don't spoil the bushel.
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On 10 May 2002 15:11:03 GMT, [email] (Roger70129) wrote:
Of course it is.
One's been bouncing around in my imagination for years. It's just probably too idiosyncratic to be of interest to anyone else. --- Gun control, the theory that Black people will be better off when only Justin Volpe has a gun.
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[email] (Roger70129) wrote in news:[email]:
It might be possible (remember the 'holiday' episode?) although I don't think it would fit in with the angst-ridden 'realism' MTV had in mind.
The thing to keep in mind is that the show, for the most part, is character driven so if, for example, Daria were to rescue a black cat from some kids and remove a band-aid from its head and then find out that she was a reincarnated princess from the moon, she's probably going to take the whole superhero thing with a grain of salt. :)
And, furthermore, any aliens, superpowers and other 'techno-nonsense' you choose to include are probably going to be met with the same skepticism/saliciousness/stupidity that makes the series amusing.
I believe the episodes that were broadcast are considered canon but that hasn't stopped fans from writing scripts and other fiction or posting them online.
If you really want to write a story featuring these characters, go ahead. Just remember to keep the various characters 'in character' and don't try to sell it to anyone. (MTV hates that) ;)
Signed, Warewolf at Large who can imagine a 50' Daria 'rampaging' through Townsville.
On Mon, 13 May 2002 07:32:27 -0000, Warewolf wrote:
I can definitely see Daria complaining about the declining quality of Soylent Green... or perhaps having a cameo in "Brazil II". : ) --- Gun control, the theory that Black people will be better off when only Justin Volpe has a gun.
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Thanks to "Depth Takes a Holiday" just about anything can be considered canon. But more traditionally, it refers to a story that has a flavor more like "Esteemsters" or "I Loathe a Parade" in that it involves believable situations and portrays the chartacters close to how they appear on the show, without too much drama or "cartoonish" comedy.
In strict canon, the story must not contradict anything that we've seen on the show (this is primarily what I write).