REQ:mystik spyral song that was in the movie

thats such an awesome song "still be freakin friends"

Although once again it's unclear who's supposed to be playing what. Officially, Nicholas Campbell is the bass player and Jesse Moreno is second guitarist. This is how it's portrayed in the "video". However, the "live" part in Is It Fall Yet? has Jesse playing bass and Nick playing guitar. Now I know there's a possibility of swapping instrument roles for different songs, but somehow I doubt a straightforward rock band like Mystik Spyral would do something so Beat Happening... So I can only scratch my head at this point and go, "WTF?". Especially since in the vid, we see Jesse playing that really bad cheese-metal GUITAR solo (picking away FINGERSTYLE, no less). No, I'm not going to be like those hardcore Simpsons fans and go "worst episode ever", but OTOH, I sort of expect some more continuity this far into the show's history...season one it would've been excusable, but this season we've had a steady plotline with Jane and Tom and Daria, so there you go. Anyone else have an impression on this?

As a sidenote, with a fully-recorded song proper from Mystik Spyral, I wonder if a companion CD for the show could be far behind.

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I love "when sad clowns can no longer clown."

^^^^^^ "Would it help if we spelled Mystik with 2 y's?" :) Seriously, I would buy that CD in a second.

Sara

A: No, but it's more amusing that way.

What else do you think could be put on such a disc?

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All the songs from "Daria!" :-)

Seriously, it might be interesting to have a collection of all the closing themes, since they're not played in the Daria-thons, but that would be a multi-CD set.

I hope they would include all of the other Mystic Spiral songs, even though they are very short. It would also have to have the theme song, both versions (regular and Daria!). I own all of the Simpsons' songs CDs and find them highly amusing so I could see buying something similar to that.

Sara

Okay, here's a thought: notice how the actual recording of "Freakin' Friends" in the video and the "live" one in the movie are different? Well, here's a though: part of the contents of a Daria CD could be billed as the contents of a limited-release EP, with the old Mystik Spiral songs re-recorded and fleshed out a bit to sound complete. Then there could be the show's theme, the "Daria!" version, the movie theme, and maybe a few other things.

And here's another thought: special limited-edition 10" vinyl version of the above-suggested Mystik Spiral EP. Maybe have 500 copies pressed and available special-order. I bet they'd sell real quick, and the whole on vinyl thing would be fitting with the idea of MS being a struggling, semi-talented underground band (and NOBODY had better say, "but vinyl's dead!", 'cause there's lots of stuff still coming out in vinyl format, some of which you can't even get on CD).

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Sara said:

They could expand the songs, of course. And write new ones, based on fragments of lyrics we've seen in the Database, Diaries, and various shows. Maybe even the one Trent was working on in the Tank on the way to the art colony ... heh-heh-heh :)

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fragments

Maybe even

colony ...

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Betrayal, yeah, a stab in the back!

I thought that song was pretty good, actually . . . heheh . . . and I wonder where he got that inspiration from?

nick reffuse wrote:

i think he was doing a bit of two-hand tapping. badly, i may add.

Not the whole time, though. If possible, watch it again and watch the fingers of his right hand, curling up and plucking away at strings -a definite reminder that we're watching a cartoon.

Hey, when ISN'T fret tapping bad? ;)

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nick reffuse wrote:

yeah. looked like a bit of chicken-pickin' going on there. ry cooder?

i always pictured trent as the lead guitarist, but really i guess speed licks wouldn't be his strong suit. hell, "cinnamon girl" would probably be a bit too fast for trent. jesse reminds me more of a drummer, though. constant disorientaion. like every drummer i've ever met.

i'm trying really hard to think of an example that isn't lame.

i'm failing.

Besides, it's generally more practical to have the singer play rhythm guitar in a multi-guitar band.

Now that's one thing I have to disagree with...in my last band, the drummer was one of the most focused guys I'd ever met. Really talented, too, but he's a complete neo-prog/metal-head too and would get pissed when we'd say, "play something a bit more simple and a little faster!".

But yes, Jesse fits the brain-dead drummer archetype. Maybe that's what the whole confusion about instrument roles can be chalked up to...Maybe MS "shot" their video before playing it at the gig depicted in IIFY?, and Jesse has since been relegated to bass duties, and in the near future we'll see him kicked down to drums and Max will pick up the bass...

Nah.

See? You gotta listen to me more often. Save yourself some time. ;)

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nick reffuse wrote:

i'm not saying it's a bad thing, the disoriented-drummer stereotype. i love those guys. and hell, if (s)he can play like keith moon, i'd be in a band with a chester (ref: sifl & olly) any day.

I think maybe you should revise that as "play *drums* like keith moon". ;)

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c. wrote:

Hey, I.... wait a minute, who are you people?

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Hmm... apart from Neil Peart of Rush you may have something there :)

Yeah, you wouldn't want to risk insulting Neil Peart. He's got a pretty big drumkit there, and might just start lobbing piece after piece...after piece...after piece... ;P

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I have to admit that I find it works rather effectively in "One," during the brief period in which Metallica wrote some interesting songs. Also, I'm a fan of Steve Vai, who goes overboard a lot but is much more melodic than most of the 80's shredders. I met the man after a show and he's totally the opposite of his stage presence, very reserved and humble. Plus he has that big "twisted humor" streak he inherited from Frank Zappa.

Used inappropriately tapping is a very obnoxious technique though, and I was glad to see it disappear virtually entirely from mainstream music with the whole "alternative" revolution. There was a period of time during which it would get shoved into the middle of almost every song (the "big guitar solo" moment), usually done very badly and with no concern whatsoever with whether it actually fit into the context of the song (sometimes not even in the right *key* for goodness sake). One of the nicest things about rock music nowadays is that a lot of bands don't even take solos; a lot of times it simply isn't necessary. Unless it adds something to the song, it's completely superfluous and distracting anyway.

Of course Jesse's solo was intentionally horrible (well, on the writers' part, not on Jesse's), and being a guitar player I find it impossible not to crack up every time I hear it. Even a well-executed tap-based solo would be horribly out of context in that song, but Jesse completely screwing up this faux-dramatic moment is hilarious. Very Spinal Tap.

Funny thing about Zappa. Zappa said something about "stunt guitarists". And he called Vai his stunt guitarist. Heh heh heh. ;P Sorry, just ribbing you. I though Adrian Belew was more innovative. Now he just has a tendency, to, um...reapeat himself under stress, repeat himself under stress, repeat himself under stress...

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Well, yeah. That's what it says on every Zappa album with Vai on it. "Steve Vai: stunt guitar." It was his job to execute the guitar parts that were too complicated for Frank to play. Later on Mike Keneally took over this task, and his solo music is certainly no "shredfest." But it is bizarre, beautiful and highly captivating, and I'll proselytize unsuspecting victims any chance I get, so... this link will take you to a great quality video clip of Mike and his band (Beer For Dolphins) doing their thing: http://real.fullsail.com:80/ramgen/dc3/mike_keneally.smi Whoa unto thee if you are using a dial-up connection, but in that case you're probably already used to the shittiness of streaming video. All hail cable modems and T-1 lines!

The songs performed are "Cardboard Dog," "The Wreckage Was Large," "Potato," and "My Dilemma." Each one is a whole trip in itself, so watch the whole thing or you only get a small part of the picture. I apologize for this shameless promotion of my favorite band, but I couldn't resist.

Michael Pierry wrote:

ah, metallica. 1984-1988. R.I.P.

actually, most of those guys were absolutely incredible guitar-atheletes, and the execution was perfect in every case. but the context was so wrong. i think it works in "one" because it's in a very fast, frenzied part of the song. it did not, however, work any of the times white lion wrote a crummy power ballad, and then vito bratta would try to add luster to a turd with a wash of 64th-note polish. it was bad, no matter how perfectly he did it.

yeah, too bad their music is so...eck, i don't know. i don't like very many things about the chunk-rock revolution. although a lot of those 7-string silly boys are actually really talented shredders, too. i guess i should be glad they're not doing the aerobics, but i also think basing an entire song around a pick-scraping riff is weirdness for its own sake and not art. i'd still rather hear a guitar solo than a turntable "breakdown."

what always got my blood pumping the most were guys like j mascis and billy corgan, who wrote great songs, came up with new and interesting sounds, and could also solo like bats outta hell when the song called for it.

see also: "(tonight i'm gonna) rock you (tonight)."

yeah, alt-rock and grunge are not the place to attempt a tapped solo. if you're gonna solo at all, you better just stomp on an EH poly-chorus pedal and play the melody a few times. like kurt cobain used to do. then again, "freakin' friends" wasn't exactly heavy on melody, was it?

Or at see them dressed in some other form than pseudo-pimps with wide-necked guitars, backed by M/B tripple-rectifiers and too many modulation-based effects devices. What annoys me most about these guys is the POSE involved...though I guess that's something applicable to just about any over-commercialized pop movement... Hair today, gold tomorrow. :(

Yeah. Too bad Billy Corgan turned out to be such a pretentious bastard and the Pumpkins only got worse...

Well, actually, the Poly-Chorus wasn't utilized on a Nirvana recording until In Utero. Up until them, the main form of chorus Cobain used was an EH Small Clone (awesome little unit, and, happy day, it got reissued several months back so no one has to pay $200+ for an original just to get one sound!!).

Heh. Actually, I think lots has to do with the register Trent was singing at. Compare the "video" and "live" versions. Now, if Trent would just write parts a bit higher where he's not so much speaking them out, the guys could drift out of sludgey rock with an emphazema-ridden vocal on top... Not to say I can sing much better.

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nick reffuse wrote:

you mean the whole mucho-macho thing? yeah, that's annoying.

the other thing that's annoying is the "i'm a fucked-up teenager" pose these bands (of 30 year old men) are trying to cash in on. i think Slipknot would make anyone wanna blow their head off WITHOUT the stupid "me big monkey man fucked up head want kill everybody oop oop oop" lyrics. which is why, although rap-metal isn't a sound i like whatsoever, and i'm not what you would call big on christian rock, i still think POD is a great band, just because their message is at least positive. i don't think people need any more guys in clown suits and coveralls telling them "just because i'm sitting quietly in a crowd doesn't mean i don't want to just start bashing people's skulls in with a baseball bat" (this is an actual paraphrased quote). how freaking idiotic can a 'human being' become?

not that i'm gonna myself start writing positive songs, or that i'm gonna buy a POD album either. but i don't macho-negative songs anyway. i do wussy-alt-guy- negative, which is a whole other scene. speaking of which...

eh, i thought they were great for two albums, unfocussed for the double one, and pretty great on "adore." the new one, i have yet to hear, though.

i can take pretense so long as the band has the goods to back it up. the punkins did. for a while at least. i think their decision to call it quits may have been because they played at purdue university last spring, and were faced with the most uptight crowd in existence. one that wanted to sit quietly and be entertained by "today" at a reasonable volume. i can just hear billy and james coming offstage and saying "fuck this. we're breaking up the band now. i can't go on after that uptight bunch of assholes."

i've been eyeing the EH reissues for quite some time now. all i knew was that kurt used some kinda wacked-out EH pedal. i didn't know which one though.

i' m after the poly-chorus myself. and my friend's big muff pi (okay, don't read that sentence out loud....). and a recording contract. yadda yadda yadda.

Dumb enough to buy into it, apparently. ;..( I am really disturbed at how many kids buy these damn things. As is a semi-known fact on this newsgroup, I graduated from high school last spring and I wasn't liked very much because I didn't follow many trends. I didn't listen to pseudo-angst-in-windpants acts like Korn or Limp Bizkit, or stuff with even worse getups ala ICP and Slipknot. You know, bands that seem to endorse all this livid sex-drugs-and-violence stuff. I saw those in-crowd kids wearing shirts bearing these band logos and toting around the CDs and talking about how cool it all happened to be. I went around wearing boots, jeans, short-sleeve button up utility-type shirts or shirts bearing logos for bands I happened to like...completely un-"kill you parents and your friends!"-style stuff, like Pavement and Dub Narcotic Sound System! And because I didn't want to waste my time speaking to a lot of these people and because I barely looked anyone in the eye, *I* was the one who got labeled as the one who might bring a gun to school or what have you. Which is really odd, considering I've never owned, used, or so much as HELD a firearm...

Wussy-alt-guy ala Billy Corgan, or wussy-alt-guy ala that E guy (from Eels...? ;)

Basically, it's a lot of "tune down x steps" nonesense lumped in with all the preposterous techno-half-ass-goth-ripoff nonesense that barely held up on Adore. Don't waste your time.

Actually, I guess it'd have to do with the fact that they've been around for a long time, got pigeonholed for their two most succesful records (Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie), and then Corgan realized that he couldn't change the sound of the band without being called a sell-out trying to change his style to fit with current trends. Remember, one of the reasons Adore flopped was because it was made when there was all the buzz about electronic music being the next big thing, and then when Adore came out, there was no next big thing whatsoever. So add all the turmoil of Chamberlain leaving, the rejoining, then D'Arcy leaving, and all sorts of other things, and you've got some reasons why one might decide it's time to call a band quits.

At least you're not after any Way Huge pedals...admitedly, though, I've heard the Aquapuss and the Swollen Pickle, and they're pretty damn neat. ;) Anyway, avoid the reissue Big Muff like the plague, it's sehr sehr muddy. You can get it modded by some people out their, but then it's just as noisy as a vintage one, and by then you'll have paid what you would to get a beat up but functioning old one (which looks cooler to boot).

At least you didn't say anything about wanting that old EH 16 Second Delay. ;)

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Michael Pierry wrote:

You know, this sounds a HECK of a lot like Warren Cuccurullo. On stage he's wild, pretend humping inflatable dolls and throwing zingers at Simon LeBon's way, while absolutely smokin' on the guitar. I've met him twice and both times he's been very quiet, never boastful, content just to smile, shake hands, and deliver the scrawl which passes for his autograph. And then I read interviews he's done and he talks about stuff like golden showers and Simon's "big thing". You know, before joining DD and before forming Missing Persons, Warren was a member of the Zappa stable...hmmm...

LI

Not the whole time, though. If possible, watch it again and watch the fingers of his right hand, curling up and plucking away at strings -a definite reminder that we're watching a cartoon.

Hey, when ISN'T fret tapping bad? ;)

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And Max's drum kit is set up right handed in the video, but left handed every time we've seen him in the show.

Peace Kevin