MiniCat Didn't Mean to Scare You

Feb 14, 199971 posts by 20 posters
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MiniCat155

hey it's ME!!!!! I just wanna let you know that it's a habit of mine to type in a lot of exclamation marks. It's just something I do, cuz I type fast.....Please don't think I'm TOO weird. but then again....Weird is good!!!!!!! Ok, when i was asking for your opinions, that's what I wanted, not a bunch of people getting on my case claiming that my typing is scary! And that one guy(girl?)Po or whatever, well his/her post was really offensive. First of all he/she called my posts "garbage" and told me to get lost and post at teen newsgroups. I mean can you believe it?? That's like, really mean IMO.I am not as hyper/loud/whatever as I seem.....well actually I AM a hyper person but I'm one of those people like one moment i'm really quiet and shy and the next moment ::BOOM!::: I'm as hyper as could be!!!is any1 else like that????? ok, well I'll stop talking(typing?)BUH-BYE@!!!!!!!!!!

I think we were thinking you were too normal, or something. Anyhow, you're style seemed a little... juvenile, for lack of a better word, so that tends to give people a bad impression of you. Whether that's right or wrong, that's how people will see it.

I'd like to welcome you to alt.tv.daria, though, and hope you don't get scared off.

Dagny misery chick, cynic, general loony

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The problem is, quite a few of the people who use non-standard punctuation do it because they are either lazy or ignorant of even the basics of proper writing. Either way, they don't write much that is worth reading. That's one reason why your (MiniCat's) writing style might irritate people.

Personally, I don't like it because it takes more effort to read. I don't like tons of exclamation points, lots of ellipses (.......), sentences missing needed commas, posts in all lower case letters, etc. Not that I would advise MiniCat to change for my benefit, since I don't spend much time on this newsgroup.

And then there is the exuberance factor. It is easy to see why being bubbly and perky could rub Darianites the wrong way.

Martin SylvesterEric Stevenson

Eric Stevenson wrote in message ...

You may have got to the heart of the matter here, Eric.

I'm reminded of the informal arrangement we had in the ref in my old college. At breakfast, at one end of one of the (32-seater) refectory tables sat those people who were always full of beans and chattering away manically over their cereals and toast. The perkiness factor (for the want of a better term) declined as one went down the room; then, crossing the room, the gradient continued declining as one progressed back up towards the door.

I sat about four places away from the door, where we just ate our breakfast, and drank our tea or coffee, and no-one was expected to make conversation. I think my breakfast companions would have shared Ford Prefect's view that the point of chatter is to stop human being's brains from working; at least at that time in the morning - most of us were as communicative and friendly as any reasonable person could wish, later in the day. It's possible some of us may have privately resented getting up before the crack of noon.

As an unspoken arrangement it all worked very well, until one of the habitu�s of the perkiest end of the perkiest table decided to join us, to "Cheer us up." He sat down, and in a loud, bright voice, imparted to us the seemingly urgent and vital news that it was going to be a lovely day....

The reaction was swift, brief, and involved words mostly with Anglo-Saxon roots, and he decided that, on reflection, he would sit with his normal breakfast companions that morning, and indeed every morning after.

Perhaps we could do something similar to the table arrangment, and introduce header rules to indicate the perkiness factor of any particular thread. We could use exclamation marks: phlegmatic types could avoid a !!!!!!! thread, thus saving perky posters from phlegmatic flaming. ;:-)

Martin.

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Hey now, there's an idea. Strings of exclamation points for perky posts, frowny faces for depressive posts, and so forth. Of course, we'll have to put up with the mixing of various social strata until the review process is over and everyone has agreed on a system, approved the write up, and signed off on the envronmental impact statement.

"Martin Sylvester" wrote:

<rest of story snipped...>

Y'know, that's got to be the best story I've heard all week. Thanks, Martin.

I've had to dodge the perky types quite often in my life (hey, I live in the South-- where else would they host an Alzheimer's fundraiser as "a Night to Remember" with a straight face and a perky smile?), but I've always managed to avoid having to use the words with Anglo-Saxon roots. I find that my "it's not noon yet" glower followed by my "don't bother to finish that story about your cat" stony silence usually work well enough to keep my exposure to perkiness to a bare minimum. :-)

rich.

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Daria: Screw 'em.

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Martin Sylvester wrote:

<story snipped>

LOL!

I actually quite like "perky" people. I find this very odd, being possibly the least perky person I have ever met. Speaking of which, I went to my friend's birthday party on Sunday. Quite a good party, despite the total lack of alcohol. I wouldn't have gone if I'd known about this before I went.... But anyway, I spent most of the time sitting around looking miserable. People kept coming up to me and asking if I was OK (or trying to force-feed me <g>) and they wouldn't believe me when I said I was feeling fine. Some people are so weird. :)

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Martin Sylvesterendless, nameless

endless, nameless wrote in message ... [...] But anyway, I spent most of the time

We had one guy at college, great chap, who was never more content than when sitting round looking miserable. In the bar one evening, I joined him and the others sitting near him (who were trying to think of something to say, or perhaps just inhibited by his air of doomy melancholy, or perhaps not wishing to say anything that might stir him into relating his tale of woe), and said sympathetically, "Good evening, [name withheld]. It looks as though you've got something on what you probably like to think of as your mind." He had great difficulty getting back into miserable mode again.

And the appropriate Daria quote is (only five points for the right answer)?

Martin.

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endless, namelessMartin Sylvester

Martin Sylvester wrote:

LOL. I had nothing on my mind. I was feeling pretty good, but they wouldn't believe me. I think it was just that the last time most of my friends there saw me (over a week before), I wasn't looking quite so... emaciated. I noticed the other day that when I squeeze my arm just above the elbow, my fingers meet up. I'm feeling rather pleased with myself, but everone else thinks I'm, like, ill.

Alli http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/y/yannaco "Everyone I've loved or hated always seems to leave."
endless, namelessEric Stevenson

Eric Stevenson wrote:

Haha, very funny. :)

Alli http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/y/yannaco "Everyone I've loved or hated always seems to leave."
Martin Sylvesterendless, nameless

endless, nameless wrote in message ...

Phht! Why would they think that? I don't know, some people!

BTW, and on an entirely unrelated train of though, no connection at all, oh no ma'am, have you yet got round to showing your dad how to post to this ng? You, know for when, um, he, um, you, um, there might be some news that he could tell us but you couldn't?

It's Ash Wednesday, tomorrow, the start of Lent. Now while some of use begin fasting, perhaps you could take on the penance of eating at least 2,500 kcal a day? I know you'd hate it, but it's not a penance if you enjoy it!

(Less subtly: Eat!)

Martin.

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endless, namelessMartin Sylvester

Martin Sylvester wrote:

Yes, some people! When your friend's parents start making anorexia jokes it gets kinda irritating! :)

Oh, such subtlety! :)

LOL, what, you think I enjoy not eating?

Eat Martin? :)

Alli http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/y/yannaco "Everyone I've loved or hated always seems to leave."
Tarvokendless, nameless

On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:58:02 +0000, "endless, nameless" wrote:

Hey, so long as you're eating... :p

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endless, namelessMartin Sylvester

Martin Sylvester wrote:

[I know I've already replied to this post, but nevermind.....] I intend to give up chocolate for lent. Chocolate is (as Scott pointed out last week; you can thank him for this <g>) my main weakness. :)

Alli http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/y/yannaco "Everyone I've loved or hated always seems to leave."

In article , "endless, nameless" wrote:

Let me get this straight.

You basically don't eat, and chocolate, which is about the only thing you *do* eat, you are now giving up. Something's wrong with this picture.

How about for my penance I take half of my dinner and feed it to Alli instead?

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endless, namelessAnn Booth

Ann Booth wrote:

Yup.

Why?

No thanks, I'm a bit full right now. I admitted to my mother that I hadn't eaten any lunch or breakfast, and she made me eat two whole pancakes....bitch....

Alli http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/y/yannaco "Everyone I've loved or hated always seems to leave."
Tarvokendless, nameless

On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:27:11 +0000, "endless, nameless" wrote:

I admit I tend to pry into people's lives a bit too much, but I am curious: exactly why is it you're not eating?

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endless, namelessTarvok

Tarvok wrote:

I honestly have no idea. I just have this urge to force myself not to eat. It's pretty weird, really, even for me. :)

Alli http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/y/yannaco "Everyone I've loved or hated always seems to leave."
Tarvokendless, nameless

On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:40:53 +0000, "endless, nameless" wrote:

Well, when it stopps being fun (like when you can't walk due to the weakness and it REALLY gets in the way of all these other things that you'd like to do), remembr, it's never too late to start...

That's not anywhere near as funny as it sounded in my head. I'm posting some really lame crap tonight.

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endless, namelessTarvok

Tarvok wrote:

On Friday, I was trying to cough but I couldn't do it properly. That was weird.

Alli http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/y/yannaco "Everyone I've loved or hated always seems to leave."
Martin SylvesterAnn Booth

Ann Booth wrote in message ...

instead?

Sounds perfect.

I do think it might be possible that Alli may have a dissenting view.

Martin.

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endless, namelessMartin Sylvester

Martin Sylvester wrote:

No thank you. My mother made me eat two pancakes at dinnertime, so I'm hardly in immediate danger of collapsing. :)

I'm not sure what "dissenting" means, but I'm guessing that you think I'd object. If I'm guessing correctly, then you're bloody right! :)

Alli http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/y/yannaco "Everyone I've loved or hated always seems to leave."
Martin Sylvesterendless, nameless

endless, nameless wrote in message ...

Oh, I didn't think Ann meant just tonight. I took it she meant for the whole of Lent....

That guess is near enough for present purposes! <g>

Martin.

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endless, namelessMartin Sylvester

Martin Sylvester wrote:

Wouldn't Ann's food be a little cold by the time it got here anyway? :)

:) I've had my mother trying to make me eat again just now. Odd how I have to skip meals before she notices that something's not quite right.

Alli http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/y/yannaco "Everyone I've loved or hated always seems to leave."

In article , "endless, nameless" wrote:

Well, I'm still working out the details....

At least you're admitting that something's not quite right about this. :)

Ann

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whole

I could make a joke about Calista Flockheart, and "Alli" McBeal, but it just wouldn't be funny.

[I deliberated for a while on whether to post this, wondering what the reaction would be. Finally, I thought, "Hang it", and hit Send.]

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endless, namelessAnn Booth

Ann Booth wrote:

Not about this, in general! Something's not quite right with me, and it took for me to start skipping meals for her to notice that *I'm* not quite right!

Alli http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/y/yannaco "Everyone I've loved or hated always seems to leave."
Tarvokendless, nameless

On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:22:00 +0000, "endless, nameless" wrote:

One think I've learned is that it is INCREDIBLY easy to hide when "something's wrong" and one doesn't want others to know. I finally realized that if I want others to know, subtle hints doesn't work, as people typically don't see what they wish to see (and nothing is worse than seeing "something wrong" with someone they care about, but that someone is trying to hide it. Requires a great deal of willpower to ask, especially when there is a high likelyhood of the answer being "nothing" regardless of whether that's true or not.)

In addition, parents are the worst where this is concerned. Most want to see their children as "perfect" as pseudo-psychologists have convinced our parents generation that how we turn out is direclty related to their skill as parents. I practically had to scream at my parents when I started contemplating suicide a few years ago to get them to notice. I'm glad I was honest with them. I was only considering means, not actually planning to do so, but who knows how far such thoughts can go?

My point is, if you want your mom to know "something's not quite right," the most effective way is to just tell her. I hope you have a good enough relationship with her to do this without incurring the wrath of a nag. I've known far too many girls who can't talk to their own mothers. Knowing how my mom can be, I understand why.

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MindyTarvok

On the mountaintop, [email] (Tarvok) spake thusly: <smip snip snip, muahahahaha!>

If only this owuld workwith my mother.... "Mom, every time I lay eyes upon you Mozarts 'Requiem' runs through my head and I have this great mental picture of tunning you through with a pool cue. Do you think I should see a shrink, or are you just going to slaughter me now?" If I told my mother half the things that were wrong with *me,* she'd either a) stick me in a looney bin for the rest of my life, or b) take away everything that's ever brought me enjoyment in my life and force me to go live with her. She came very close to doing that last time my report card had a B on it... I was lucky that time, she left me my stereo and let me stay at Dad's...

-Mindy "I'm going to post this even though it's irrelevant!"

endless, namelessMindy

Mindy wrote:

That sounds like my dad.

Alli http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/y/yannaco "Everyone I've loved or hated always seems to leave."
endless, namelessTarvok

Tarvok wrote:

There's nothing I can say, really. I mean, no matter what I said last year she wouldn't listen. She was insistant that I wasn't depressed, that I'd been brainwashed by the doctor into thinking I was, that I had some other illness, and when it turned out I had no other illness that I was just going through the usual "teenager thing" a couple of years late and that it was all hormone problems. Whenever I make it clear to her that I am not happy, she asks me if it's "that time of the month". LOL.

Alli http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/y/yannaco "Everyone I've loved or hated always seems to leave."
Tarvokendless, nameless

On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:53:40 +0000, "endless, nameless" wrote:

(Can someone please demonstrate a rolling eyeballs smilely?) Sounds like a winner. Can someone explain to me why the majority of women refuse to recognize facts as facts, opinions as opinions, and insist on living in a world where what is true is what they wish to believe, rather than what is?

Promise me you won't grow up like your mom. My sister did that, but it's rapidly turning out that she lied in ignorance.

(Incidentally, a fair percentage of males also have this problem, but, IME (which is very likely biased), it is a smaller percentage.)

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Martin Sylvesterendless, nameless

endless, nameless wrote in message ...

Forgive me if I'm being dense or out of touch, Alli, but would I be right in thinking that at sixteen, you don't need mum to take you to the doctor? It seems quite reasonable to me that you should be able to ring up yourself and make an appointment.

Hope this doesn't sound preachy! We care about you.

Martin.

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endless, namelessMartin Sylvester

Martin Sylvester wrote:

She was the one that thought I was ill. I didn't care, I was just sitting around contemplating suicide. <g> I didn't want to bother anyone so I didn't tell anyone. She decided I was "ill" because I was sleeping too much, so she took me to see the doctor. I would never have thought about going, it's just not the way I work. If I'm ill I just wait to get better; I'm not going to waste people's time.

Alli http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/y/yannaco "Everyone I've loved or hated always seems to leave."

In article , "Martin Sylvester" wrote:

Yeah, that's what I meant. You may not be in immediate danger of collapsing, Alli, but we're still going to keep feeding you so you don't waste away to nothing later on, either. :)

Ann

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There is one possible benefit to Alli's eating habits. Provided she doesn't waste away, she might actually live longer. A currently popular scientific finding is that animals (including humans) who eat less food live longer. I haven't looked into where that idea comes from, though, so I don't know if it has a solid basis.

endless, namelessEric Stevenson

Eric Stevenson wrote:

I'd better start eating then and I'l fucking eat until I die 'cos I might as well.

Alli http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/y/yannaco "Everyone I've loved or hated always seems to leave."

I thought you had to be Catholic to give things up for Lent. I'd never heard of the practice until someone who is one told me about it a few years ago. I'd heard of not eating fish on Fridays (or is it only eating fish on Fridays?) but I'd never understood that one either. I gave up pancakes for today, but only because I didn't have any flour to make any with.

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Shez wrote in message ...

Not obligatory! <g> People from some other Christian traditions do it too; a few people without formal affiliation to any church do it.

Self-denial in Lent is a spiritual exercise with many aims. Amongst which: to learn to stand up to our own appetities and desires, not be ruled by them. To remind ourselves of people who don't have a choice, but live and die without the things we take for granted. To stir up in ourselves a desire to help people in need. To express sorrow for our sins. To grow away from selfishness and self-centredness. To re-orient our values away from the acquiring of things towards loving God and loving other people. To get closer to God. To express solidarity with the poor.

When meat was the preserve of the rich the giving up of meat for Lent meant that for forty days in the year prince and peasant ate the same. This lenten self-denial was re-enacted in a way each Friday, so even outside Lent people had one day a week of self-denial. In areas where fish was plentiful and cheap, it was the natural source of protein in the absence of meat: fish on Friday. (Though in many areas, Catholics undertook a strict vegetarian regime in Lent and on Fridays.)

Today Catholics are expected during Lent, and each Friday, to undertake some act of self-denial, or undertake some charitable work in solidarity with people in need. The choices vary from giving up meat or chocolate, to eating nor more than one meal a day, to helping out in a night shelter or setting aside that day's wages (or a proportion) for the relief of famine, to visiting with patience and forbearance that relative who's a pain in the ass but would see no-one if you didn't go. Those are illustrations, not a menu: each person is expected to make their own choice. Oh, and not forgetting, "I didn't get round to picking anything yet."

In that case, I gave up flying my Lear jet to Rio for Carnival, but only because I don't have one. <g>

Martin.

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deena lissaShez

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Actually (concerning the no-meat days), in the modern Catholic church one is only required to follow the "no meat" rule on Ash Wednesday (i.e. today) and Good Friday (a few weeks ahead yet). Vatican II's sweeping changes made it possible for even devout Catholic families to eat meat on Fridays, even on Lent (but some still do it out of respect for tradition).

Which is why I've packed a tuna-fish lunch today, am expecting enchiladas for supper tonight, but yet is looking forward to eating chicken the day after tomorrow.

deena lissa (survivor, lifelong Catholic schooling & Catholic upbringing)

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Can anyone explain to me why fish isn't considered meat? The best explaination I've heard is 'because it is fish.' This is one of those mysteries of the universe that is outside of my understanding.

Mike Quinn I can be reached through e-mail at: [email]

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for

I've even heard some people refer to poultry as not being meat...I guess the policy is, if it didn't come from a mammal, it isn't meat, although this makes no sense to me personally.

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endless, namelessTice Rust

[email] wrote:

Depends on the definition of "meat", I guess. If you define meat as being "flesh of a dead mammal" then poultry, fish, etc, are not meat. And the same with fish. Would one of you dictionary-owners give us the actual definition of the word "meat"? :)

Alli http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/y/yannaco "Everyone I've loved or hated always seems to leave."

On the mountaintop, "endless, nameless" spake thusly: <Snip snip snip, muahahahaha!!>

Meat- n. <Looks around madly for her dictionary> 1. The edible flesh of animals, esp. mammals. 2. The edible part, as of a piece of fruit.

I usually don't eat anything that's considered as the flesh of a dead animal. I'm tempted to quote Dogbert, "You mean why don't I slaughter an animal, burn it until it's carcinogenic, and then consume it?" (Kyle, I know I mangled that horribly, OK? But I gave the book to my ex-boyfriend, who incidentally also happens to be a 17-year-old named Kyle. So there.) Go ahead, kill the deer, kill the tuna, whatever, I just don't want it in my stomach. Fish, chicken, cow tongue, bacon, hot dogs (which I'm not even going to *start* on), it's all the same to me.

-Mindy "Ice cream? I remeber ice cream..." -Mindy Preston, the post-diet years

[email] (Mindy) wrote:

<snip!>

Yep, it's all protein. The way I see it, if bears or tigers or komodo dragons ran the planet, they'd do the same thing we do. It's tough being at the top of the food chain, but, hey, somebody's gotta do it.

That said, I don't eat as much meat as I used to, but I still indulge in red meat about once every week or two. And for those that say we're herbivores, uh, you're wrong. We weren't designed as herbivores-- our intestines aren't long enough, and our appendix no longer functions properly. We also do not produce enough of the essential Amino Acids-- we're 8 for 20-- and one of them (I forget the name) can only be obtained through eating/processing other animals. Neither are we carnivores-- our intestines are too long, so we absorb too much fat and other toxins from the meat if we only eat that. We are omnivores-- a lucky combination of the two that have allowed humanity to survive this long-- to survive Ice Ages and warm periods as well. Now, if we can only avoid killing ourselves through our own stupidity... *that's* the challenge.

agreeing to disagree, (hey, it's your life-- I'm only repeating the info.) ;-)

rich.

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Shez wrote in message ...

So are humans...

endless, namelessPaul gate

Paul gate wrote:

He said "advanced". <g>

Alli http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/y/yannaco "Everyone I've loved or hated always seems to leave."

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My guess would have to be that the rule is for land-bound animals and fowl (beef, chicken, pork, etc.) but doesn't apply to fish. Hm...I've never thought about that, really. I've myself heard the explanation that "it's fish, so it's not meat" before. Hm....

At least I won't have to ponder over dinner *g*.

deena lissa

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Mike Quinn wrote:

"It's OK to eat fish, 'cos they don't have any feelings...." <g> But really, why is fish not meat? It's still like, animal. I don't eat fish, actually. Ever. I always feel guilty about eating meat, but it's easier to forget that it's a dead creature if it doesn't still look like one. Fish, when it's on your plate it still looks like a fish; bacon doesn't look like a pig.

Alli http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/y/yannaco "Everyone I've loved or hated always seems to leave."

In article , "endless, nameless" wrote:

I don't eat fish, either (I have no idea what they were swimming around with [syringes, old boots, etc.] unless they're from some sort of hatchery). You gave the same reason why I would consider fish a meat- it comes from (or is) an animal. How is it any different from any other animal that we eat.

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Mike Quinn wrote:

Fish are basically mammals that take their oxygen from water instead of air, right? What is it that stops them being meat?

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"endless, nameless" wrote:

I think the big deal is they (a) don't have hair and (b) lay eggs as opposed to giving live birth. BUT... where does that put chicken?

--J.

(who eats chicken, fish, beef, and pork [the OTHER white meat!]. Although I do feel horribly guilty about it.)

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The 'fish are not meat' thing goes back to the good old days in the Middle East, I think. I recall reading that one of the old Muslim diet rules is that you have to cut the throat of an animal while it is alive to drain the blood before you eat it. Fish are exempt because their gills are the 'knife-marks of the Prophet.' When you put that together with the Catholic thing about fish, and some other examples (which I can't recall at the moment), it suggests that this attitude toward fish is some kind of early Hebrew tradition that got passed along.

Incidentally, I read that bit about the knife-marks of the Prophet in an article about hippos. Some of the Muslims in Africa liked to eat hippo, but it's kind of hard to cut the throat of a hippo while it's still alive. Since hippos live in the water most of the time, they became honorary fish.

Tarvokendless, nameless

On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:19:57 +0000, "endless, nameless" wrote:

At the risk of appearning gullible... uh... no. There are many more differences between fish and mammals.

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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:58:45 GMT, Mike Quinn wrote:

The only kind of fish I'm certain I like is albacore tuna. Other than that, maybe it's ocean fish good, freshwater fish bad, as far as I'm concerned.

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I'm not a huge meat fan, either...in fact most of the time, if I eat meat, it has to be disguised with several layers of bread and condiments (i.e. hamburgers and sandwiches), come in unidentifiable shapes (a la McNugget), or be an unobtrusive pizza topping (such as pepperoni). But besides that, I just don't like the way most meats taste.

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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:28:00 GMT, [email] wrote:

Ooh, I am a HUGE meat fan. Nothing makes me say "yum!" like a slab of dead cow on the side of the plate, properly marinated and cooked until the red is gone, plenty of pink. Mmm... dead animal muscles...

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What difference does it make since you don't eat anything anyway? <g>

And how do we know that plants don't have feelings?

I think Daria provides the answer. Daria asks the the question, "What about the stupid ones?" [animals] Of course the answer is: Eat them!

You can eat anything that's too stupid to eat you. Take no prisoners. Predatory behavior is all-natural. It's the circle of life.

Bob

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I do, just not very much!

They do. And I feel guilty about eating plants, too, but not as guilty as when I eat animals. I'm a bit strange like that.... :)

By that logic, rape and murder are also OK, because they're natural. But I would consider eating meat to be a lot less terrible than rape or murder. <g>

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I don`t know about that, some hamburgers are terrible! :-) "McDougles"...or whatever they`re called

Or a proffessor on one of my father's tapes describing I think it was Aristotle's idea "you can't eat anything that have syntax"... so his freshmen are in big trouble.

Something like "you can't just eat something that asks you too!" Which is even worse than crayfish who stare at you while you rip their tails off.

Although you'd probably want to recognize what you're eating if you've read "The Jungle" which was intended to promote socialism but ended up with people saying "ewww that's how they make sausages?"

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Well expressed! I was so busy trying to give the big picture I forgot the close scene.

Someone once remarked that when Vatican II made people responsible for choosing their own acts of penance and charity for Lent and Fridays, abolishing the dietary laws except as deena mentioned, then, "The church began to treat people like adults." (I acknowledge this is a huge and superficial generalisation, but the remark is still worth quoting, I think.)

There was some opposition; some people prefer to be treated as children.

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On the mountaintop, "endless, nameless" spake thusly: <Psychotic snippage via garden shears>

Hey Alli, ever been voted the most unhappy person in your grade by your fellow classmates and former friends? It's depressing, isn't it?

/e was also voted most psychotic because of the scissor incident, but that's another story...

-Mindy

"But having you all know I had low self-esteem in the first place makes me feel kinda... bad... like a big failure or something..."

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In article , "endless, nameless" wrote: ...

Could you tell me by what line of reasoning this could be considered a good thing? Are you still being treated for depression? Because whatever you're doing doesn't seem to be working.

Bob

endless, namelessR. K. Henry

"R. K. Henry" wrote:

MY line of reasoning. It may be twisted but it works for me but right now I feel really fat and sick anyway so fuck it.

No, my mother decided I was "better" but I think she's changed her bloody mind now, haha...

Alli http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/y/yannaco "Everyone I've loved or hated always seems to leave."

OK.

First of all, I'm a guy. My screenname, CrtoonDude, kind of says it all, but that's ok, many people make that mistake.

Second of all, I've reached the descision that I'm just going to try to avoid you as much as possible after seeing the group reaction to my original post. Once again, I apologize for it.

It's just that.. your perkiness.. or hyperness, whatever you'd like to call it.. it's annoying. Perky people get on my nerves, it's as simple as that, and I was just acting out against all the perkiness i've had to put up with in my life, and that wasn't fair to you, so I apologize. I guess I'll just grit my teeth and try to get along with you. But, please, try to tone down the perkiness. And, um.. there's the punctuation thing again, but I guess I won't go into it.

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Thanks, Jon, for the trip down to Memory Lane. (Jane's cousin.) <g> I always used to notice that Marlin used to be in the tree or a helicopter, observing poor Jim Fowler from a distance while he had to wrestle the now enraged charging rhino. I always wondered why Jim didn't just dart and tag Marlin before he got into the tree and make it *his* show?

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