Well, while watching King of the Hill last night they went to Middlebury. Isn't this where Aunt Bernice was from? I think Lawndale is somewhat supposed to be a generic town but I think that if the writers were to pick a state it was in it would be Texas. Oh well, I'm not really trying to dredge up this thread again but I just thought it was kind of an odd coincidence.
Melissa
The writers are on record as thinking it's somewhere on the East Coast ... New Englandish.
However you are right, Lawndale is, in fact, in Texas. It's a few miles east of Houston.
Ok, I'd never actually read anything saying where it could be. I just thought it was kind of an odd coincidence that a Mike Judge show used the name Middlebury in Texas and that is the name of a town in Daria. Though.... *some slight spoiler i suppose, don't know what seasons everyone has seen* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * where is there a desert near the East Coast? And cowboys and things like in Speedtrapped? I always thought Lawndale was on the East Coast or in that area, specially from The Daria Hunter since Great White is the terror of the Eastern seaboard, but Speedtrapped definately raised some questions to me as to where it is at. Oh well, I suppose this is a question that won't go away until we see a state sign in the show.
Melissa
On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:07:50 -0500, "Melissa Cowan" wrote:
Don't forget, though, that the Daria Diaries (so I've heard) claim it was a 3 day drive to move from Highland to whereever she is now.
Kyle
According to Glen Echlier (sp?)
Lawndale is: North Of Springfield (Simpsons) South Of Highland (Beavis and Butthead) West of Bedrock (Flintstones) and East of Jellystone Park(Yogi Bear)
So, That pretty much puts Lawndale off the map. However in my fan fiction story I am writing, Lawndale is in Northern California
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That proves it. Lawndale is definitely on Mars... inside of an atmospherically stable glass bubble.
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:54:35 GMT, "Contentious Objector" wrote:
[I preface all following remarks with the reminder that the Official Location of Lawndale is "in your TV set." <grin>]
Northern California, eh? So in other words, it only took the Morgendorffers a few hours to drive 3500 miles to visit Middleton College? ;-)
Explanation: Middleton is a Colonial-era college, founded in 1776, as shown in "College Bored." You aren't going to find a Colonial-era anything anywhere near California, no matter how far you strech the imagination. In order for the M's to take a day trip to Middleton, it would have to be within relatively short driving distance (I'd say 100-200 miles). One could argue that they flew there and took a rental car, but for one day? Besides, it's clearly Jake's car. :-)
Ergo, Occam's Razor applies, with the east coast becoming the only viable candidate for the location of Lawndale. I'm not dogmatic about its exact location (though outside of Baltimore is what personally works for me), but there's no way that anyone will convince me that it's not on the east coast, given the overwhelming (not TOTAL, just overwhelming) evidence on the show and in the official printed literature.
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If Lawndale is in Houston, than Middleton could be in Louisiana. New Orleans has been settled for well over 200 years.
Yeah, it's a stretch, but not as big a stretch as putting desserts and redneck bars in New England.
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Yep, but not by Puritans. I think it was mentioned Middleton College was originally some sort of Puritan foundation.
I think we've got to face it that there is some deliberation behind these contradictory geographical cues. They don't _want_ us to be able to confidently tie done Lawndale to a particular place.
BTW Another one. It can't be too close to New York, otherwise Jane wouldn't have made such a big deal out of trying to scam a free trip there out of Val.
I still go with Maryland. There are areas in Virginia and and Delaware that look bleak and sandy. Those things that looked like oil wells were power towers that lost their lines in the hurricane.
I live on the East coast, and its not hard to find a bar like "Hot Dawgs" filled with people wearing cowboy hats and listening to Conway Twitty.
Way too easy to find them, in fact.
Milo
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Puritan, no, but this is straight from the transcript from "College Bored":
Heather - Uh... shall we get started? These buildings date from when Middleton was a colonial religious college. Back then, the all-male student body attended chapel twice a day, and endured whippings as punishment for impure thoughts.
"Colonial religious college" pretty much says it all: it was founded in one of the original thirteen colonies. Other episodes reinforce the east coast theory; this episode nails it down. "Speedtrapped" is an aberration. Case closed, until someone dredges it up again. :-)
Oh, I dunno. I bet there are people who've lived all their lives in New York state who've never even been to NYC, and would still consider it to be a Big Deal.
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Not so fast. "Colonial" just means "pre-Revolutionary." As in before the revolution Louisiana was a colony of France. Not a precise historical reference, perhaps, but Heather is an undergrad tour guide, not a history prof. She's named "Heather" for godsakes, like she'd get all her terminology straight.
And while we're on the subject, the flagellation thing sounds more like a Jesuit college than an protestant, which argues for Catholic Louisiana over protestant New England.
There are a few problematic aspects to any location, but this particular objection you're leaning so hard on is pretty small potatoes.
And if we're all allowed to declare one "aberration" has to go away, what's to prevent me from naming "college bored" as the aberration? Then you have no more argument whatsoever.
On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:33:32 -0500, "Chris McCubbin" wrote:
You are reaching *bad*. This is a pop culture TV show (like it or not, it's on MTV), not some underground fanfic. "Colonial" means what most people will take it to mean. And that's the east coast.
And even if you take away "College Bored", there are other east-coast centric evidences. A hurricane not being least among them. Kyle
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Sure. You have to "reach" to favor any one location over any other. That's part of the fun of the game.
There are lots of hurricanes in the Gulf. Hence, Houston. They're not quite as common as in the Atlantic, true, but that jibes well with the implication in Daria! that a storm like this was extremely rare in Lawndale.
On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:49:01 -0500, "Chris McCubbin" wrote:
Ooooh. Well, they DO have midwestern accents (most TV characters do and talking heads do, generally), so I'm going with Illinois.
Kyle
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I wonder why that is.... I live in Michigan, and I always kind of wondered why the way people talk near here has been "chosen" as standard American English by the media nation wide. There aren't very many super big cities here.... hmmm....
Perhaps.... definitely not Michigan though. They've said "soda" in far too many episodes. Anyone who's ever heard a Michigander talk knows we all say "pop" instead. :)
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On 21 Apr 2000 21:17:04 GMT, herecomethehawks@hockeymail.....com (Kyle) wrote:
Which is why I'm now done contributing to this thread. I don't mind banging my head against a brick wall -- I've always liked a challenge -- but I've never liked doing it any longer than necessary. :-)
A point which seems to now be generally accepted by many, if not most fans. Of course, we *now* get to argue about *where* on the East Coast it is, and THAT is one that I'll avoid at all costs (despite the fact that I do have my own preference). <grin>
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But not Jane, if New York was within easy reach for her, she'd probably be there every other weekend!
On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:03:58 +0100, Michel Morton wrote:
They have to bum rides from Trent just to get to Pizza King, how're they gonna make it to NYC? Kyle
Whoa! Impure thoughts!
I would like to rid my mind of impure thoughts, but they are, of course, the only ones I have left...
Everyone wants it to be in their neck of the woods. It like a smoker who will ignore the volumes of evidence that show the habit to be deadly, and who clings to a small study found (and funded) by a tobacco company which will claim to find no relationship between smoking and poor health. "Speedtrapped" a fluke the Glenn's continuity police didn't catch.
I know lots of folk north of Albany who have never been to "the big apple"! And Albany is about 2.5 - 3.0 (shorter for me, refer to Jake in "Daria!" for driving techniques) hours away from NYC, about how long it would take go from NYC to the northernmost border of Maryland.
Which, we all know, is where it is really located.
Milo
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I can see that; albeit that it's a *wee* bit harder for us UK fans! <g> Or fans elsewhere in Europe, or in Oz, or in Canada, or...
I'm sure that a steadfast refusal to locate Lawndale in a particular part of the States is a clever move, since it allows people throughout the USA to think of Lawndale as somewhere that could be the next town along. And for overseas fans, it allows us to think of Lawndale as a town "somewhere in the States" rather than as a town in a particular state.
I'm aware that the canonical answer is, "Lawndale's in your TV," but ISTM that Lawndale is everywhere and nowhere. The attitudes it satirises are not confined to one state, nor to one country. </Pseud's Corner entry>
With plenty to do (it *is* Holy Week), but too whacked to do anything more demanding than relax with atd for ten minutes, Martin.
Milo wrote:
Actually, I'd rather the Lawndale-like communities around here were somewhere else.
But I'm pretty sure no one will say Lawndale's in Southwestern Pennsylvania. Especially not me, for lots of reasons.
No comment. OK, I've said Maryland or Northern Virginia before. I still like "in your television set" better.
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Hmmm... In the musical episode they had a hurricane. Does Northern California ever get hit by hurricanes?
a.j.
<< Hmmm... In the musical episode they had a hurricane. Does Northern California ever get hit by hurricanes? >>
Hurricanes hit in New England...I was in one once, when I was in New England. Personally, that's what I push for, mainly because it seems to rain and have forests with non-evergreen trees around there. Which makes it not Colorado.
~Abby "I wasn't always the waiter with stumps for hands. No! Once I was Eric, the waiter with hands for hands!" ~KITH
Fine, I will move Lawndale to Maryland.
Happy?
On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 04:08:21 GMT, "Contentious Objector" wrote:
*NOW* who's taking this too seriously?
In the end, all of this is merely a speculative mind game, something to ponder and banter back and forth. I presented my point of view, with logic that I think stands up to scrutiny. If you're going to get pissy and cop an attitude about it, however, then you can put Lawndale in Inner Mongolia for all I care.
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Then, there is the colonial college, where Daria's parents went, within a day's driving distance. Where in Texas do you find that?
I think the writers have decided that it doesn't exist anywhere on the map, so they can throw in whatever archtypes they want.
For that matter (I know I stole this from someone else), where is there a dimensional wormhole to Holiday Island?
On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:42:11 GMT, [email] (Tarvok) wrote:
THAT's an easy one. Behind that chinese restaurant, duh. Kyle
Sigh ... I think this is where I came in (i.e., delurked alst summer).
Here's my response to the "Where's Lawndale" question.
First, a hint from the man himself, Glenn Eichler:
"Actually, I always thought of it as the suburb of a middle Atlantic city like Baltimore, but what the hell do I know? It could be outside Chicago too. Maybe it's near Indianapolis. I need to see a map."
from "Daria: Success and the Cynical Girl," a cyber conversation with Glenn Eichler and Susie Lewis by Michelle Klein-Hass; TOON Magazine # 18, Spring 1999.
OK, we've got Baltimore, Chicago and Indianapolis as potential locations. But Baltimore makes sense for several reasons: proximity to a Colonial-era college (none of those in Illinois or Indiana, are there?), hurricanes (even more rare in the Midwest than Colonial-era schools) and snow (when's the last time you saw THAT in New Orleans?)
Plus, if you drive about 100 miles west of Baltimore, you're gonna wind up in the Virginias (if I'm reading my Rand-McNally road atlas correctly), which could put you well into potential "Speedtrapped" territory.
So, I'm sticking with my theory that Lawndale as a suburb of Baltimore, Maryland. (And yes Regis, that is my final answer).
Oh, and as for that cruise in "Just Add Water" -- 2 words: Chesapeake Bay.
One last thing -- wherever Lawndale is (statewise), it is located in Carter COUNTY, not Carter PARISH. That pretty much rules out Louisiana. (That, and the fact that no one on the show so far has a name that ends in -"eau" or "-ier" or anything remotely French or Cajun or Creole. Unless Tom's last name is Bouvier or Simoneux or something like that.)
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No no no, you haven't been paying attention. Lawndale's in TEXAS, just a little to the east of Houston. The 200-year-old college in "College Bored" is in Louisiana.
That still doesn't explain why they had to drive three days to get there from Highland, which definitely IS in Texas. I know it's a big state, but not THAT big. ;-)
--J.
As a former resident of the Lone Star State, I can confirm that Texas IS indeed that big -- it's about 900 miles from El Paso to Port Arthur (at LEAST a 3-day car trip). (How far is Highland, TX from Lawndale, TX anyway? Probably not a 3-day trip).
But if Daria's Lawndale is in Texas, it must have a VERY SMALL (hell, NON-EXISTENT) Hispanic/Latino/Mexican-American population. And nary a single slow, Southern drawl to be heard. (And, while I wasn't a big B&B fan, I don't remember Texan-style Southern accents being prolific there, either.)
Although I agree with the canon that Lawndale, Carter County, USA exists "only on your TV," if I had to pick a tangible location I'd still have to go with the Northeast, with the Baltimore area being first choice.
And I'd probably put Middleton College --oh, maybe somewhere in southern Pennsylvania, near Middletown (or maybe near Middletown, Virginia). Louisiana for a college founded in 1776, with not a trace of anything French Colonial or Napoleonic -- nope, doesn't work for me.
Leeville I'd definitely place in Virginia, b/c it's hard for me to dissassociate it from all things Robert E. Lee (and those Southern accents remind me of my Virginia high-born-and-bred Contracts professor).
Let's see, what else -- um, Swedesville could be in PA as well (at least 3 towns with "Swede" in the name,about a 4-hour round trip from Baltimore/Lawndale. And Middlebury -- there's a MiddleBURG Maryland about 20 miles from Baltimore, and lots of Middleburys throughout New England.
Plus, Lawndale has to be located somewhere neat a large body of water or a coastline, but also in a place where folks seem to be kinda clueless about hurricanes. That would pretty much rule out any state on the Gulf of Mexico -- you'd have to be foolish not to expect a hurricane to hit there sometime in your lifetime. Ditto for Georgia & the Carolinas (right, Paperpusher?).
Fremont, though, poses a problem. Virginia & West Virginia seem to be logical choices (given the accent, the ruralness, the likelihood that the town is too small to have its own ZIP Code or appear on ANY map --just the sort of town that Mystik Spiral would have a gig in), but the terrain seemed too flat in "Speedtrapped," IIRC . Since I've never been to the Virginias, I'd appreciate if somone could describe the topography for me. Otherwise, I'd place it in far eastern West Virginia.
Okay, I think that's enough. I get the feeling that I've researched this whole issue far more than any of the Daria writers/creators. And so have many of my fellow Darianites. ;) If I've gotten anything out of this little exercise, it is that Daria is still a fictional show, with fictional people in a FICTIONAL LOCATION, even though it's often very close to real life. (DTAH notwithstanding).
I will now return to my regularly scheduled life.
Chirping through the night (& my Rand McNally atlas),
Cricket
I just have to respond to this little bit, even if it IS nitpicking. ;-) My family often makes trips from Oregon to Northern California, and it's a seven hundred mile drive. We do it in one day, and it's only about an eleven hour drive. So that doesn't really jive. (rhyming unintentional.) As for the rest of your post, I agree totally. :-)
--J.