some thoughts on the show

Aug 4, 200010 posts by 8 postersalt.tv.daria
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gemalt.tv.daria

spoiler space (see, I told you I'd get it)

Okay then.  I'm just going to give everyone my opinions of the show right
now, and I won't be too brief, so hold on.
    I've always been a Daria fan, since the first episode I watched when
practically no one had heard of it.  It was funny in that it played on
everyone's predefined stereotypes of high school (I know; I'm a freshman
myself and I often find myself comparing my classmates to characters on the
show; sad, I know.), and most of the students were so shallow that it was
hard NOT to laugh.  That was great; I loved every minute of it.
    But lately, I've found that I'm even MORE engrossed in the show,
because, as many of you have probably noticed, it's been maturing in a
variety of ways.  The characters have been developing with more depth,
making them seem more like *real* people rather than stylized stereotypes,
and that's what gives the show it's appeal, IMO.  For instance, in #413
alone, many of the characters were opening up to their more realistic sides
(if that makes sense), and in turn developing their personalities.
Examples:
DARIA: Her speech in Tom's car alone was enough to make anyone believe she's
a real person, as she was finally *really* expressing her feelings to him,
something she rarely ever does, or usually does with sarcasm.  Her opening
up to Tom makes you realize that she's a real teenager with real problems,
and not just "the outcast" with a cutting reply for every instance.
JANE: Jane's always had a little more character than Daria, but lately she's
displayed her true emotions in the situation with Daria and Tom, and that is
respectable, even in a cartoon.
TRENT: In this episode, Trent truly came out of his sleepy, out-of-it rocker
persona for the first time, I think, in that he showed some real love and
compassion for his sister, trying to console her and so forth.  I've always
liked him as a character, I don't know why, and this other dimension he's
gained just enhances his image.
HELEN: I, for one, never expected her to develop a personality other than
the one she was stuck with in the beginning, but I was pleased and surprised
at the scene where she completely blew off her work to spend time with
Daria.  She came off as a real mother who cared enough to "share her wisdom"
with her daughter who was really in need of some advice.
    Not only have the characters matured, but even the little things have
too, like the animation (little details, like the way Daria's hair moves
when she turns around while Jane's drilling, or the expressions on the
characters' faces), and the voices (anyone noticed how Daria comes out of
her monotone a lot more than she used to?).  And with these changes, the
storyline is bound to mature too, as it already has been, and I'm really
pleased about that.  Daria has always been a great show, IMO, but lately it
has really been at its peak.  Hardly worthy to be on MTV, actually.
    Anyway, that was my two cents worth, long as it was.  Adios and viva la
lawndale!
-gem

Spoilers:

Yeah. It was weird, every time she said "I kissed my best friend's boyfriend," she didn't say it in her usual monotone. It had this weird *rhythm* to it. I don't know how to explain it; listen to the episode when she says that and maybe it'll make sense.

"gem" wrote in message news:ZSCi5.735$[email]...

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He's actually done this before in a number of ways. One example would be way back in "Misery Chick" when he sent Daria to Jane's room even though Jane was trying to avoid her.

"I told Trent to tell anyone who asked that I was out running. What do you know, he forgot." "No, he didn't."

Joe Quinn: "A spa? Great! I need a facial so bad." Daria: "Don't get excited. This says it's a 'spa for the soul.' Didn't you sell yours a while back?"
gemgemalt.tv.daria

Er, that came out the wrong way, I'm afraid. I was trying to "dis" MTV, not the show. :-) Hopefully you figured that out! arg. -gem

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Yes, I've noticed this too. I think that the potential was always there but the show first had to establish the characters in the first place. I've noticed that the story arcs on _Daria_ take a long time to develop compared to most series TV, especially sitcoms. Real problems are rarely resolved in a single episode, which is something I like about the show.

Yep. Well, then again, she really _loves_ Jane. Which is _why_ she was so upset after she kissed Tom. Especially the second time.

We also saw Daria totally out of her depth, which is rare. She's brililant ... but not used to dealing with romantic or sexual feelings _personally_.

She got really, really, _really_ hurt this episode. The damage done to her, and to her friendship with Daria, she's going to be a long time recovering from. This is probably why they're waiting till the movie to resolve it, because it's too big for one or even two normal length episodes to handle.

Trent deeply loves Jane. His love for Jane has probably been what's kept him sane. Seeking out Jane and cajoling her into his company was the best possible thing he could have done, for her sake. He really cares, and he's not at all inept at showing it.

Daria was also intelligent and mature enough to realize that she was out of her depth in this. She realized that she _needed_ advice, and that her mother was the one who would understand the situation better than anyone else.

Me too.

Yep. They've already signed for a 5th season, I've heard. Here's hoping the show get's a 6th one.

Sincerely Yours, Jordan

"Let us go out then, and claim our inheritance. We belong to a tradition in which the concept of defeat has no meaning. Today the stars and tomorrow the galaxies. No force exists in the universe that can stop us." (Hogan)

"Jordan S. Bassior" wrote:

As far as story arcs taking a long time to develop, this is something that a lot of the really good TV shows in the past year have done. Shows like Sportsnight (which got cancelled by some moron at ABC with no taste) ran storylines over entire seasons.

Jon Reiss AIM: NukeBuddha http://www.j51.com/~improv Ralph Nader for Prez!

So how do we go about doing that? Pretty soon we ought to begin think about securing season 6. Write letters to MTV? Bombard them with emails? Threaten to boycott MTV if they take it off the air? Someone mentioned syndication. Personally I'd like to have all of the Daria episodes on tape, commercial-free, but now that there are over 50 I doubt that'll happen. If MTV picked a set time (say, 7:00 pm weeknights) to show Daria reruns, it would be easy to tape 'em all. And Daria would probably gain more viewers. Instead, "Is Daria On As Scheduled?" has become "Hey Look, Another Real World Marathon." Hmm...I wonder if we could get the Vegas odds on Daria actually being shown when MTV claims to put it on?

Alex CaseKrimrenalt.tv.daria

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Oh, that could happen, there is a precident for that (Star Trek: The Next Generation; Star Trek: Voyager; Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, M*A*S*H, and Mystery Science Theater 3000) so it could happen.

Alex Case wrote:

yeah, but the chance of them getting copyright clearance to use all the same music used in the show on the videos is pretty much nil. and sometimes (i'm thinking of "everlong" in "lane miserables") that music just MAKES the scene.

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In article , "Alex Case" writes:

Hang on... Are the older episodes of MST3K available anywhere? I'd love to see the seasons with TV's Frank again (the show really went downhill after they lost him), but when I inquired via e-mail a year or so ago there was some confusion over who held the rights, so no-one could show/sell the episodes...

-IdentityCrisis