Obligatory spoler space 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 etc etc etc . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . So, Tom likes Daria. Daria likes Tom. (Sigh). I was *really* hoping they'd avoid this development, but I suppose it was just too tempting. I was hoping they'd avoid it because it just seemed a bit too obvious. Oh, well. It'll be interesting to see how they resolve it. Maybe we will get to see Jane's vulnerability. (Sigh, again). Oh, well, again.
Great episode, though.
Peace Kevin
Hmm, after reading everyone's replies I notice a thread of optimism for Daria and I just can't let that happen - a smiling giggling Daria would ruin the storyline :-)
So excuse me for being pessimistic but what if Tom's parting look over the shoulder was more a nod of encouragement than an amorous gaze? Tom manages to coax Daria out of her impenetrable shell of cynicism a bit, they were having "fun", had a few good laugh's. Who says it goes any deeper?
That said, I suspect everyone else is right.... unless Tom has an identical twin brother or some other warped plot twist.
Poor Jake, stuck in the loo with nothing to read but articles on Hanson... gods! even vaccuum cleaner instructions would be more exciting than that :-)
Xtappa
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I loved that whole bit, though it brings me to my only (and its a very minor) problem. You could tell from the end of act 1 Daria wouldn't get back and Jake would be left alone at the end, you could see it coming 3 miles away.
As far as his reading material, about Hanson or the Olsen Twins, he'd have been better using that as the T.P. when Daria didn't get back too soon. There would've been something better on the magazine after he used it than before he used it:-)
A.J.
KTrick said:
I'm sorry you didn't like the plot turn. I think it was built up to logically. It was obvious to me from "Jane's Addition" on that Daria *should* like Tom, which made me wonder why she didn't. I believed the obvious explanation (that she was mad at Tom for depriving her of Jane's complete attention), but of course that was only part of it. Obviously, Daria was jealous of Jane ... not just for having a boyfriend, but for having a boyfriend who *Daria* finds attractive.
It was obvious from the beginning that Tom liked Daria as a person. I think now it's fairly obvious that he is attracted to her as well.
This would be a one or two-episode resolution in most "teenage dramas," but I think this is going to take a bit longer on this show given the depth of the characterization. Both Daria and Tom are in a dilemna: Daria's is deeper.
If Daria chooses to act on her attraction, she will devastate Jane. This is unavoidable. Daria is Jane's first real friend; and Tom appears to be Jane's first real boyfriend (regardless of whether she's "gone farther" with other guys). More to the point, Daria has been a role-model for Jane to emulate in a lot of ways. This would be a really deep betrayal from Jane's point of view.
She would also lose Trent's friendship and respect. It's obvious from 405 that Trent sees Jane's relationship with Tom as "serious"; and of course he has always approved of Daria's influence on Jane. He, too, would feel doubly betrayed ... and there's a sense in which he's started to see Daria as a role-model, too.
Even though (if she were involved with Tom) she'd finish outgrowing her crush on Trent, that doesn't mean that she would stop *liking* Trent. In effect she would lose another friend.
There's also a moral factor here. Daria has claimed not to have a conscience, but as this episode showed in several ways (her protectiveness towards the Gupty kid; her assistance of Mr. O'Neill) she really *does* care about people. Daria is abundantly intelligent enough to understand *exactly* what she'd be doing to Jane and Trent, and she would feel like complete dirt for it. Which in itself could destroy any chance of a happy love with Tom, anyway.
Tom would of course lose Jane and Trent's friendship too, but of course he hasn't known them as long as Daria has. However, all the evidence is that Tom genuinely cares about people too, and I don't think he would be happy at the prospect of betraying Jane. Whether or not he likes Daria more, he definitely *does* like Jane.
Ironically, Jane in a way facilitated this development. How? By constantly praising Tom to Daria and Daria to Tom. This is doubly ironic, when you realize that for the last three seasons (one and a half years "show universe" time) she's been trying to get *Daria and Trent* together.
Which of course, if it had happened, might have prevented all this from occurring.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
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Another reason Daria didn't like Tom initially reveals a great deal about Daria's personality: She's slow to warm up to people. Trust me, I'm quite familiar with this trait. There are some people who never know a stranger and can be on friendly terms within five minutes of meeting. Someone like Daria takes a LOT of time before deciding whether she really trusts this new acquaintance and is willing to bare her soul even to the extent of discussing the weather.
One wonders at the extent of of the Morgendorffer clan's mercenary tendencies that Daria would require a bribe to fetch toilet paper for her stranded father.
Then she turns around and takes some...well I guess you'd call it pity...on Tad and helps him find his family.
"And we'd have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids."
I can't imagine a worse fate than having ANYONE think I might have possessed even a scintilla of school spirit.
On 08 Apr 2000 03:23:38 GMT, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:
Agreed. Given this episode, Daria's "hatred" of Tom can now be shed in a new light, because unlike her crush on Trent, her liking of Tom is the Real Thing, which can be very confusing to someone who's never experienced anything even remotely close to a romantic relationship.
My prediction: they're building up to something that'll ultimately be resolved in "Is It Fall Yet?" (the TV-movie).
[... analysis of the Daria/Jane/Trent/Tom dynamic omitted ...]
Exactly. It gives the shippers something to think about. :-)
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It's hard to say which is more "real", but I think that it's significant that she's liked Tom *more* the better she's gotten to know him. By contrast, she was disillusioned by Trent when she got to know him a bit better.
What's worse is that she has nobody to talk to about this. Everyone she knows well enough to confide in is involved directly in this quadrangle.
Quite possibly.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
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Also note she usually clammed up around Trent, with Tom she opened up more than were used to seeing her do. This may have to do with the fact that Tom is on an intellectual and sarcasm weilding level very equal to Daria's I doubt she's met anyone even close to equalling her in the brains dept.
After her talk with Helen in PC could she possibly open up to Helen on this one as well?
I see the rest of the season building this, and resloving it in the movie as well.
A.J.
Cheese said:
I actually don't think Trent's stupid ... I think he's highly intelligent ... but I think the way his mind works is very alien to Daria's in a lot of ways. He's intuitive, and lazy; Daria's rational, and driven. This sort of difference can cause a lot of problems in a love affair, or even a close friendship.
Jane understands Trent pretty well ... her mode of thought is about midway between Trent's and Daria's.
Tom's mind works a lot more like Daria's than Trent's. It's interesting to note that Trent seems to like Tom, and for some of the same reasons he likes Daria, I'd bet.
Maybe ... I hadn't thought of that. One problem is that if Daria is thinking what I think she's thinking, she's probably pretty ashamed of herself. Remember, Daria is capable of feeling *extremely* guilty when she perceives herself as violating *her OWN* moral code; she only seems shameless because she doesn't care what most OTHER people think.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
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That's what I meant to say, but explained etter than I could've. Daria and Tom think more alike than Daria and Trent ever could.
Which was how she was feeling in PC, I believe, but this is infinitely more serious than the events of PC, were talking Darias possible future friendship and relationships here, if she wouldn't open to Helen,as Mindy said in another post, she'd probably turn to her writing tom try to sort this out herself, it's worked for the first 17 years of her life, why wouldn't she turn to her writing in potentially one of the hardest times of her life?
A.J.
On the mountaintop, [email] spake thusly:
I, personally, don't see that happening. I think Daria would be more likely to turn to her writing for solace: perhaps keeping a journal of her thoughts or writing lots and lots of short stories based on this. (This, of course, would be an excellent idea for MTV marketing: release all the journal entries/stories/whatever in book form, plus some stuff they don't let us see on-air.)
Yep.
Hey, this prep school Tom goes to... anyone think maybe it's Grove Hills?
-Mindy
On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 07:54:25 GMT, [email] wrote:
Doubtful; Trent's not any dumber than Jane, and Daria has no problems speaking around her.
It could simply be the difference between purely physical attraction and... well, otherwise.
On Sat, 08 Apr 2000 08:42:57 -0400, Martin J. Pollard wrote:
The "Kill Tom! Foundation"?
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Hi Everyone,
I'm a newbie here, but I've always loved watching the Daria eps.
I also loved this episode as well. But of course, I think that things are going to get really exciting between the Tom/Jane/Daria dynamic. And Tom had admitted as much when he told Daria that sometimes Jane had neglected him to for her own concerns. Which leads me to this realization. What is weird this season is the fact that Jane seems to be a little self-centered. I know that the writers were trying to explore some sense of Jane and Daria trying to find themselves in terms of forming their identity, but do they really have to bust up their friendship? And about Trent...where has he been this entire season? Any thoughts about this?
But I can see what they are doing. They really want to downplay the entire Trent/Daria thing because it has been a mark of controversy. Trent appeared to like her, but he himself told her in "Lane Miserables" that she was too young for him. And also, Trent doesn't appear to make a move. So naturally, Tom would be brought in to test Daria's feelings of having the "real thing". But I think that Tom and Daria have more in common than just being a friend to Trent and Jane. I think that their "friendship" (or whatever you call it these days) have had their ups and downs...from jealousy to this mutual attraction.
The other thing that was slightly noticeable about this ep is the fact that Tom never appeared to have fun with Jane. Or he was bored with what she was trying to do. It was with Daria that he started to lighten up (In the past, I had always thought that Tom was "too nice" for Jane). And of course, like in "Lane Mis", Daria never smiled until Trent said something to her. And now, the second smile comes with Tom as they walk along the parade route.
Hmmmmm.....
--Ceci :-)
Ceci M. said:
I don't think it's strange that Jane's a bit self-centered. Consider this: she's been brought up by *totally* self-centered parents, with her only salvation being Trent's protectiveness towards her. Now, Trent's a good guy, but he TOO tends to be self-centered, and I'm pretty sure that when Jane's parents *or* Trent *have* paid attention to Jane, it's been to spoil her in various ways.
Jane's an inherently good person; if she wasn't, she would have turned out far *far* worse, the way she's been brought up. But she's still a Lane; she still has a tendency towards irresponsibility, and she's not all that skilled in dealing with other people. She only made her first real friend a year and a half ago, and Tom's (by all indications) her first real boyfriend. It's not surprising that she often mishandles situations.
Oh no, you're not getting it. If Tom did display interest in Daria, it would produce a whole complex series of tensions between the quadrangle. Trent would on the one hand blame Tom for betraying Jane; on the other hand he would understand *exactly* why Tom liked Daria. He would also be torn between his attraction towards Daria and blaming her for breaking Jane up with Tom.
Oh, *that* was a clear excuse, especially since the ep ended with him breaking up with Monique. There's only a three-year gap in their ages anyway.
He started to (in "Jane's Addition"), but aborted it when he realized that he didn't measure up to Daria's standards.
They're both brilliant and have similar senses of humor and (I suspect) ethics and morality. They're actually a good match, and they enjoy each other's company.
Tom noticed this too ... and when he fully realized that he was going to miss Daria's company was when he got that really unhappy expression. Which was more than "darn, I wish Daria could come too", it was also "uh-oh, why am I feeling this way about my girlfriend's best friend?"
Perhaps in the sense that Jane could easily manipulate Tom through his sense of responsibility and desire to please her, yes.
Indeed.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
Not only did she smile, she laughed. A lot. Very uncharacharistically Daria. She's never laughed like that over Trent. I *used* to call myself a shipper. Now, I think it'd be better if Daria + Tom ever hooked up.
On 08 Apr 2000 22:28:13 GMT, [email] (krimren) wrote:
Damn, this means I'm going to have to redo the survey, doesn't it? :P I'll prolly have to come up with some new surveys, in fact. I have to. ;-) *Sigh*
rich the annoyed.
Jane: You're a twisted little cruller, ain't'cha?
On 08 Apr 2000 22:28:13 GMT, [email] (krimren) wrote:
(Snip) No offence, but watch the spoiler space.
On the mountaintop, [email] (krimren) spake thusly:
First, a bit of apoiler space to be safe...
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NO NO NO NO NO! I guess, unless something happens between Tom and Jane and they decide to be just friends, I'll be a Daria-Tom anti-shipper. Even if Tom and Jane break up, there will still be lots and lots of Messiness. Especially if Jane and Tom remain close... situations such as this are very, very sticky and have a _lot_ of room for pain for all involved. Although there's a lot of potential character development implicit in this story arc, I hope Daria never acts on this attraction... I, for one, would lose a lot of respect for her as I'm sure Jane and Tom would.
-Mindy
Mindy said:
I think Daria loves Jane too much to *deliberately* act on this attraction. I also think she'd be strong enough to resist the temptation if Tom did. I do think there's a lot of dramatic potential in the situation, though. Especially if *Trent* notices the attraction.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
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On 08 Apr 2000 22:28:13 GMT, [email] (krimren) wrote:
Yeah. I think if I drew my Tom picture again, I would have Daria in the background instead of Jane. Maybe there'll be a new picture if I get an idea for a good theme. MSB
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"Jordan S. Bassior" wrote:
Wrong. We know Trent has been out of high school for a few years. I'd say he's at least 21 which make for a age difference of at least 5 years.
Skyrocket
Skyrocket said:
You're right; I'm wrong. He's 22, she's 17: five years. I don't know where I got "three" from.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
On 09 Apr 2000 01:01:12 GMT, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:
Around here, that age gap is considered Normal. (And legal, as long as no photos, artwork or stories are displayed.)
5 years is nothing. i'm going out with someone who's over 13 years older than me.
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I'd be a bit hipocryticat to sugest a big gap was a bad thing...my Father was 26 years the senior of my Mother....and for the record yes it did last for over 20 years :)
Phill.
Glenn Olson said:
Oh, that's right, your law defines child pornography as involving a "minor" (nothing about "age of consent") ...
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
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I think the creators upped his age after MTV pointed out he was drinking underaged :)
In article , Jordan S. Bassior wrote:
I think the creators upped his age after MTV pointed out he was drinking underaged :)
:shocked:: oh how terrible. ;p
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Jordan,
I've had an entire day to think about this...and here's what I've got to say. I think we've got a drastic situation on our hands in the Trent/ Daria/Tom/Jane thing. After all, I anticipate that all parties are going to be bruised by this.
Well, this is the main points that I've been considering:
Yes, you're right. But Jane has more experience with guys than Daria does. Remember "Bobby Bighead?" Or Evan? I tend to think that she is sort of responsible, but does have a good heart. But then again, I think that even if that is the case, Jane has been concentrating on her own needs this quarter and sort of leaving Daria out.
Yes, that is a possible explanation. But of course, when thinking about this, in my most optimistic mode, I would think that Trent would be challenged to step up to the plate. But in my most cynical mode, I think that Trent would flake out--just like the time in "Jane's Addition" where he was asked to write a thirty-second song [!]. I think that if Trent were pushed to extremes--especially if he saw that he was losing Daria to Tom--he might be compelled to act. But then again...Trent may chicken out. After all, Trent is sort of dealing with some rough patches of his own--if any indication of the "tent incident" is the case.
Well, you never know whether Trent was sure he was over Monique. I think that he was trying to prove a point that he was going to move on. But you have to place things into consideration. Trent is always trying to go back on his promises. And to throw another wrench into things, I think we haven't heard the last from her. She may pop up again--knowing that Trent has to save face if Daria really tries to pursue her feelings with Tom.
That's kind of true, but of course whether Daria could live with herself is another matter :-)
Take it easy!
--Ceci 8)
"Ceci M." wrote:
Waddaya mean 'may?' If you look closely you'll see her in the crowd.
Skyrocket
On 08 Apr 2000 20:42:24 GMT, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:
This is much too complicated for Trent's take-it-easy attitude. He breaks up and gets together with Monique once a week. He'll not bother if Jane and Tom break up. "Betrayal" is surely not a word Trent would use in this situation. Only people who see a lot of responsibility in a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship use words like that and Trent definitely isn't one of those. And Trent isn't the person who blames anybody for anything either. I'm not sure he understands the concept in the first place or he wouldn't be so irresponsible. Remember his reaction when Daria told him in JA that he would be the one to blame if Jane failed language arts:
Trent - What's the matter with you?
Daria - She's going to fail language arts, that's what. And it will be your fault.
Trent - You guys are acting really weird. (leaves)
He really seems to not be able to understand the concept of blaming someone for something.
MSB
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MSB said:
I would think so, but OTOH note that when he thought that Jane was having emotional problems he told Tom "She needs ya." I think that Trent cares a lot about Jane, in his own strange way, and that he can tell the difference between Jane wandering around experimenting sexually (which doesn't worry him) and Jane being in a serious relationship.
He understands that Daria (for instance) took over some of his role of protecting Jane; I think he feels that Tom has taken over more of it. I do think that he would consider it "betrayal" if Tom did something that really hurt Jane's feelings on a deep and serious level. Trent's laid back; that's not the same as being totally detached. And he loves his sister.
Or maybe he understood it perfectly and wanted to avoid the blame by pretending not to get it. Or maybe to him, school isn't in the category of "important" things. Maybe it wasn't for Jane either, until she met Daria.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
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Yes!!! I was hoping I wasn't the only one who noticed this! It's been a lllloooonnnnggggg time since I've posted anything in the forum, but episode 406 really got me interested. Everyone seems to think Daria will do something drastic to spoil her friendship with Jane. NO NO NO!!! I think it is quite obvious that even though the feelings may be almost mutual, it is definitely more Tom than Daria. Note:
1. Daria said that it was too bad Jane wasn't there to watch the fire with Tom. Tom disagreed, saying that Jane wouldn't be paying any attention to him. (In a sense, he was telling Daria that she was more caring than Jane.) 2. When Ted took a yearbook picture of the happy "couple" Daria was quick to point out that they were not a couple. Tom just said he didn't go to their school. 3. Tom offered Daria his jacket, but Daria gave it back soon afterwards. 4. Tom seemed to really want to take Daria along on their pizza run, but Daria seemed to be searching for a way out of it. 5. Tom looked BACK over his shoulder which is somewhat more serious than just watching someone leave like Daria did.
There might be more (or I might've misinterpreted something...), but I only saw the episode once. I think this plot twist may end up in the breakup of Tom and Jane....not the loss of friendship between Daria and Jane. Something to the extent of Tom trying to tell Daria how he feels, and Daria blowing him off because she could never do something like that to her best friend. Besides, Tom and Jane really haven't been going out that long anyway. Half a season, or probably somewhere around three months.
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Violator's Toad said:
I don't think it's a question of whether the "feelings" are mutual or not. I think it's a question of who has thought through all the *implications* more thoroughly.
I am not certain that Tom thinks of what he's feeling as anything more than a desire for Daria's company, even if he *is* feeling more than that. Remember, Tom *already has a girlfriend.*
Daria, on the other hand, recognizes the danger of them winding up being more than friends to each other (I say "danger" because of what it would do to Jane), and she also yearns for a man. Her emotions are thus more violent than his.
I think that if Tom and Jane broke up first, then and only then would there even be a *chance* that Daria could go out with Tom without losing Jane's friendship. If Daria actually *took Tom away from* Jane, Jane would (rightly) see this as an incredible betrayal of her by two people she loved.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
On 09 Apr 2000 15:41:20 GMT, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:
Yeah. He's the "compulsive ride giver" type (see JA). I'd say he's had and broken up with several girls already. He may be a nice person but I don't think he takes relationships that serious. He's like Trent in that respect, although I doubt that Trent had or cared about having many girlfriends besides Monique. Trent loves his music. Another indication for Trents "relaxed" view of relationships is his appearance in TYM ("Models <-> Musicians"). Both, Trent and Tom are guys who believe that a relationship is intended to be temporary and that permanence is a faint option, not the other way around. I do have to mention that many girls think like that, too. I'm not sure about Jane, though. If we think about TI and Bobby Bighead or Evan in SJR I think we can conclude that she isn't the type of girl who thinks about marriage when starting a relationship (unlike Daria, I think she belongs in that category, just think of her visions in LM). MSB
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MSB said:
We don't know that. It does seem that he's not very intense in his feelings towards Jane, but that doesn't mean that (1) he's had a lot of relationships, nor does it mean (2) that he doesn't take them seriously. Indeed (3) he may care more about Jane than is obvious; remember, Tom is a relaxed kind of person (though not to the extent of Trent).
Trent's music does seem to be the only thing he's really passionate about.
I think that Trent figures that dating beautiful women is one of the perks of success in the music biz. Which it is, if that's what you want. Remember, at that point there is no evidence that Trent was in a relationship with *anybody* (when he later met Monique he hadn't seen her in a *while*).
Tom's never actually expressed any opinion in this regard. We can't assume this to be the case from the evidence (he goes out with Jane, but looks longingly at Daria). No way has there been enough information given yet.
She didn't actually have a "relationship" with either of them, though. She made out with Bobby Bighead in a laundry room (there's no evidence they went particularly far); she paid attention to Evan for a while; she walked off with Jesse once and came back holding hands, later failed to connect with him in a conversation. That's a thin basis to build upon to assume that Jane's fancy-free, so to speak. Though I do agree with you that Jane isn't the marrying type in general.
Daria's definitely monogamous and very serious-minded when it comes to romantic attraction. She also thinks in terms of marriage as the desired outcome of a relationship. That's obvious from LM and WWIH.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
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Yes, I did. In fact, when I saw the episode, it threw me for a loop. It caused me to weigh everything that I've seen before in terms of Tom and Daria since last season. And boy, I never truly thought that things would take this type of turn. But of course, the juicy stuff is coming. Let the games begin!!!! 8)
I agree with you, but I don't think Daria will do anything really drastic. Daria's actions have always been either subversive or the path of non-action. Therefore, I don't think she will intention hurt Jane or Tom. But then again, Tom did try to reach out to Daria more than once since "Jane's Addition". And Daria, who was really unwilling to side with Tom, unwittingly finds herself agreeing with him. Notice Tom's barb about Trent and the farming job in "JA". Furthermore, I think that Tom does like Daria because she doesn't really push anyone to do anything. Jane is always trying to get people to try new things (notice the entire "match-making" episode regarding Trent). Furthermore, Jane often strikes out to do things herself. So, she somewhat has a "My way or the highway" mentality. But then again, I am still figuring out why she wanted to ditch painting and try out for the cheerleading team in #405.
Yes, and no. Daria did blow Tom off on several occasions. But I think that last look was more of shock than anything. She realizes that she likes Tom more than she should have. And of course, I also think that she is weighing the options in her head. After all, this is a rather horrible dilemma. Daria is not like Quinn--who can easily steal someone's boyfriend and live with it. But then again, has Daria *ever* been place in such a position before? NEVER! After all, when it comes to love, Daria has always been either ignored, laughed at or left behind. Who can forget the entire "Monique" episode when Trent didn't even tell her that he was going out with Monique? That alone is what Daria expects. Not the other way around with Tom. After all, Tom is trying to break some ground with Daria. And of course, the ball is in Daria's court, so to speak.
So, I think the feelings are there. Whether it is mutual, that is something that has to be explored during the later part of the season. And oh, boy, oh boy...I *can't* wait!
--Ceci
On Sat, 08 Apr 2000 17:34:28 GMT, Ceci M. wrote:
Or she was constantly blabbing about Daria (as Tom stated himself in some ep) with the effect that he probably knows more about Daria than about Jane. And knowing stuff about people is a very important factor in feeling close to them. I'm not sure if there really IS much to know about Jane. I think she is an artist from head to toe. Before she met Daria, she didn't have a life, or rather her art was her life. She came home from school and started working on whatever she was working on at that time. Then she goes to sleep and the next day she goes to school and the cycle starts over. Only her family (mostly Trent and his band) probably provided distraction. Actually having this family may be what caused Jane to not really care about making friends. If you have a lot of family, this provides enough social contact to not feel alone. Now that she's supposed to spend time with Tom, her lack of a real life surfaces and becomes a problem. Tom is probably not interested in art and if the only other thing the two can talk about is Daria, then trouble is inevitable. MSB
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MSB said:
That's a very good point.
Well yes, but "artists" aren't turned off a cookie-cutting machine. As I'm sure you know, Herr Artist :)
Probably, yes. Note that even when she hangs out with Daria it's often Jane doing art, Daria reading or watching TV, and the two exchanging occasional comments. They're good at "being alone together", which is common with really good friends.
Except that the only member of her family she really likes is Trent. And he's not much social contact, since he's usually asleep.
Could be.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
Daria-(said something about some guy--I forgot who) Tom-He didn't mean to kill all those people. He just wanted to scare them.
Whoever she was making the comparison to, I doubt Jane would have known who it was. Tom obviously did. So I guess the fact that they "get" each other's weird references is just another reason for Daria to like (and maybe *like*, for lack of a better word) Tom and for Tom to like (and maybe *like*) Daria..
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Question: How much more of a life does Daria have than Jane? It doesn't seem to me that Daria would have any more to talk about with Tom than would Jane.
I don't know. Didn't Jane make a reference to Pavlov in Quinn the Brain? I think there would have to be some connection between Jane and Daria for them to be friends. I do admit that Tom and Jane's lack of communication could cause problems in the future. But Daria's sense of principles I think would be the main thing to keep her from going out with Tom. How could she have a relationship knowing she'd hurt Jane? And Trent, seeing as he's so close to Jane? Of course I "suggested" that Tom was the "someone" Daria embarks on a relationship with. But then again there are a lot of inferences we could take from the conclusion of ILAP. So we'll have to wait until the second half of the season.
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The evidence is that Daria has a rich and interesting *intellectual* life. Tom obviously shares this with her.
Jane's definitely a smartie too. Her focus is more on art, however.
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Daria may well be torn between her principles and her desires, which makes for good drama but isn't fun to *live* through. I don't know that she owes Trent anything ... they never decided to treat each other as boyfriend and girlfriend, if you recall.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
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I have a sense if there is something coming it won't be resolved very soon.
For now, at least....it was never said that it wouldn't happen, just not at the present time. And Trent is Jane's brother. He might be a little disappointed in Daria and who knows how she'd react to that? What I'd really like to see is an episode focusing on Tom and Jane. I'd really be interested to see how it would turn out.
Jeff M.
JMorris said:
Oh well, there's the biggie. Trent would be "disappointed" about losing Daria. He would be really *pissed* at Daria if she hurt Jane, though. Protecting Jane is one of the focii of his life.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
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You know, we're still not certain how Trent feels about Daria, so I don't know how he'd react to "losing" her. I do know it would definately alter his views of her if she were the reason Tom and Jane broke up. The thing is, are we overeacting a bit? I mean Tom's looking back at Daria seems a bit natural considering she was standing there splattered with paint.He'd have to be cold not to notice. And Daria's look of disappointment at their leaving.....well,she'd actually started to enjoy herself and now it was over and she was alone again.
Jeff M.
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Sometimes, you have to read between the lines. Everything can't be taken at face value when you're talking about human relationships, whatever the sort.
On 22 Apr 2000 15:27:46 GMT, [email] (krimren) wrote:
But these arent' humans. These are TV characters. You don't have to read between the lines, because even a smart show like Daria has a LCD approach. Kyle
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LCD ???? Surely you can't mean Liquid Crystal Display ????
Phill....feeling silly.
On 22 Apr 2000 18:25:38 +0100, [email] (Phill Harvey-Smith) wrote:
lowest common denominator Kyle
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Ah, makes much more sense now, thanks :)
Phill.
JMorris830 wrote:
That's kind of how I felt and I wasn't really convinced about it until they played that song during the closing credits. That did more to convince me than anything else.
--Jan
The thing about the song. Did it mean what everyone thinks it means or something else? I guess we'll know for sure when we see Daria and Tom together again.
Jeff M. Apologizing for the Freudian slip
Yeah, but remember after Jane's Addition when the closing song was called "He Likes Me"?
Now, I really can't say for sure, cause I wan't here after that ep aired, but from many reviews that I read, I got the impression that people were generally thinking that Daria and Trent's conversation at the end of JA was "ending" the relationship/crush. But the song says otherwise. (I dug up the lyrics to be sure.)
He likes me he likes me ooh... isn't that nice he likes me he likes me ooh... isn't that nice that your brand new friend he likes your old true friend and isn't that the way that it ought to be that your brand new friend he has good will to send and you're so free you're so free you're so free and I am history he likes you he says that he loves you ooh that's good to know you like him I hope you don't love him and ooh you should know that your old true friend he doesn't like your brand new friend person to person it's not on purpose but I take it personally and soon your brand new friend I hope I'll have a bon voyage to send and you're so free you're so free you're so free and I am history you say you won't pick and you won't make a choice but I'm so mad I could spit and I hear it in your voice you said he likes me he likes me ooh isn't that swell he likes me you said he likes me ohhh tell him hell... o from me a great big hello from me jesus always taught me that I should love my enemy darling my heart's in pain that's why my song's insane and you're so free and I am history he likes me but I don't like him
So how can you be convinced of a Daria/Tom thing if the songs at the end of the eps sometimes don't "match up" to the plot?
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What I got from that song, was that it was Daria's dislike of Jane's new friend (Tom), that was what was reinforced with that song. Who knows, I could be wrong, it's happened before:-)
A.J.
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Yes we are.
Despite my earlier comment, you're right about this.
Maybe.
Are you completely dense? That look, between them, was so friggin obvious, the paint could've spelled the words, "Trouble ahead." and it couldn't've been more obvious.
Maybe, but I tend to think you're *really* streatching things here. I think this is the place where I invoke Occams (sp?) Razor.
Hey, hey, hey, there's no need to be insulting. All I did was express an opinion, ok? I could most likely be wrong, but it's what I'm thinking now. I wouldn't do the same to you.
Jeff M.
On 23 Apr 2000 21:59:27 GMT, [email] (JMorris830) wrote:
;) Sorry about that. I can be a real bastard sometimes. I guess I forgot the smiley this time. Then again, I was in a really bad mood, and needed to insult some random guy.
And it's *still* obvious. ;p
Tarvok said:
(actually, everything you're quoting here is what JMorris said)
I agree. Marie, interestingly, is of JMorris' opinion.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
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I've done some rethinking and my personal take on this: They're just good friends. What may happen though, is that through some sort of misunderstanding, possibly gossip, and a series of coincedental events, Jane will see the two together, think the wrong things, and want to break up w/Tom, and may never want to see Daria again. Typical plotline, amd Daria and Tom wll have to try to explain that they're just good friends.
If Trent will ever come back into the picture again it will be here. He'll try to help them as he did in "The Misery Chick", he will be the go-between as he likes Daria as a friend(maybe more?), and he doesn't want his sister to be hurt. While doing this a spark may rekindle, as this would be a big responsibility and a serious cause for Trent to undertake. If he is willing to take the responsibility serious enough, Daria may(though this is still a reach) see something in him yet, and this whole plotline may take another twist back onto the old road. This is just my speculation, I'll probably be shown wrong in July, but if I'm not? Hmm......
A.J.
Spoiler q w e r t y u i o p a s d f g hh j k l z x c bv OK Here's my opinion....Jane Dumps Tom independently.....Daria and Jane most likely will NOT attend the same College...Tom's in Prep School...Tom and Daria get together AFTER Jane dumps him, and is out of the picture...perhaps at college?....This Idea is copyrighted by ME!!!!!!
On 21 Apr 2000 00:14:51 GMT, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:
Oh yeah... caught between principle and desire is *not* fun.
But I think when he was talking about Trent, he was talking about hurting Trent by proxy... by hurting his sister, not by hurting Trent himself. It is *certain* that they have no obligations.
On 20 Apr 2000 16:20:47 GMT, [email] (krimren) wrote:
Um... guys? I have see the episodes already, and I hate to be a party-pooper, but could we keep up the spoiler space tradiaition? Let us be kind to our counterparts across the pond...
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I really should've seen this coming; I am ashamed I didn't see it coming. The two of them were just so *perfect* for each other, and Daria had the shields up a little *too* high, for just someone who initially feared for her friendship with Jane. It's obvious why, now; look what happened when they slipped for a moment.
There is trouble in the future; mark my words. Of corse, this could just be me overlaying my own life upon theirs. My best friend/roomate and I just finished competing over the same girl a few weeks ago. No hard feelings on either of our parts, officially (especially considering he was the one who came out on top, and I *never* hold a grudge, or at least I haven't in years). But we do compete a bit more viciously in gaming, tend to disagree on matters political and philosophical a bit more vehemently, and overall, there just seems to be a slight bit of friction.
But, there *will* be trouble. But, I mean, what is Tom doing? Why is he doing this? He went to all that trouble to make sure Daria wasn't going to kill his relationship with Jane. It seems that she's destined to do so no matter what her position. :-/
I am absolutely certain Trent is going to save the day in this. Not as a potential beau for Daria, but as Jane's older and (perhaps just a bit) wiser brother. He knows all three.
Then again... I've been there too. And a screwed up situation like this can destroy the middleman. But Trent seems to be sufficiently laid back to weather the storm without too much trouble. And he cares enough to actually try to help.
Enough of my rambling. I'm just disappointed I missed the first wave of discussion.
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I think that he tried too hard to make friends with Daria and they both kind of realized that they *really* liked each other.
I still think that Trent may wind up with Daria in the end, actually.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
On 21 Apr 2000 16:32:43 GMT, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:
For the record, I *still* don't see it. Two people gained a mutual understanding of each other as friends, that is all.
*shudders* Kyle
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Obvious? It only became obvious to me about halfway through this episode. I mean, yes, the whole "first-they-hate-each-other-then-they-love-each-other" thing HAS been done to death on movies an TV but Tom has never hated Daria, and for that matter has always seemed genuinely enamored of Jane.
I liked this episode. Not only did it build up to be emotionally intense, but it managed to stay very funny throughout. Lots of other interesting things happening, too. Some things I particularly liked:
1) Reappearance of the Gupties. Looks like without Daria's steady influence, they returned to normal, darn it all. I loved his exchange with Sandi:
TAD: "You're a mean old witch!" SANDI: "I am *not* old!"
2) Reappearance of Ted (with an 'E'), if only because it was interesting to see he still existed, and was at least semi-friendly towards Daria.And it was nice to see such continuity on the show, not that we haven't come to expect it.
3) Fashion Club drama: It seems Sandi has redirected most of her negative energy towards Stacy, who seems to be heading for a breakdown any day now. I also liked that Tad's animal testing complaint got brief but genuine concern from Quinn, although I think Sandi's response convined her a little too easily.
4) Reappearance of Ms. DeFoe: She just reminds me of a flaky art teacher I had a couple years ago. I could have gotten an A in that class instead of a B, if I could get a straightforward explanation out of her as to what "negative space" was, or just what she expected when she told me to "grow as an artist".
5) Upchuck: His car horn: again with the song! I also liked the cop's name for him: "Don Guano".
6) This list is definitely running too long, but also Kevin and Brittany's possible breakup (again, but I'm not expecting much), Jodie and Mack's scenes (I was hoping they WOULD ditch the parade and help Daria, but considering the story line, I guess they'd be in the way.). This was just a great episode that brought about one major development, but threw in plenty of other interesting tidbits that didn't get in the way of that development. Probably my favorite this season. And I thought it would be another filler ep...
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That was probably my favorite part.I also like how Daria and Tom lost him and Daria goes "Did we pass any windmills?"
Heheheh...how fitting...
I was very interested when Jodie and Mack almost left the float, and then Jodie saw how that little girl was looking up to her so. That was a neat throw in.
cheryl
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I think the little girl was Jodie's sister. I mean, *literally*. I forget her name but she's in one of the books.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
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That's what my sister said, but I don't think so. That little girl looked different. Jodie's sister is cuter, and looks more like Jodie.But hell, for as long as she was on screen it could have been for all I know.
cheryl
On the mountaintop, wicka_chick spake thusly:
I think Rachel (Jodie's sister) is older. Also, it doesn't seem to me that the sight of her sister would motivate her much, but then I've been an only child until just a few months ago. (Stepsiblings are such an odd thing to have happen to you...)
-Mindy
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I liked this. Their reappearence was interesting, I was expecting something to have changed since "Pinch Sitter", but as you said w/out a constant Daria influence, the Gupties were "reprogrammed". Tad actually moved the plot along effectively, at first I thought it would just be a gratuitous appearance, but I was wrong. Especially after he was lost again at the end of act 2.
Completely out of the blue appearance. He's too nieve to hold anything against Daria for what happened before, but then again he does have that picture of Tom and Daria, which you know will appear again later in the season or the movie. He probably means no harm, but may cause a great deal of trouble if/when that picture comes out into the publc and Jane finally sees it.
Typical of them. Daria's using Quinn as a hostage of sorts to prevent the makeover was hilarious. That whole sequence with her , Tom, and Tad was one of if not the funniest scene of the ep.
About time. She's nay uttered a word since "Arts N' Crass" so it was good to at least see her. Hell even that fat, blond kid now has an alter-ego, Ms. DeFoe is the only speaking character, who has appeared in at least 3 speaking roles and doesn't have an alter-ego, nothing specific about this, just good to finally see her back, even if only for a minimal role.
It fits him.
It's been hinted all season that a breakup appears imminent, just wonder how it'll be treated, seriously, or in comic relief fashion.
Jodie mentioned that she's a role model for the other African Americans at Lawndale in "Gifted", good to see it illustrated here.
I was also thinking filler ep as well, but I was very pleasantly surprised with what I saw. Good to see cameos of a lot of people we've seen before, from some people from Middleton, to even Dr. Shar in the background, you could play spot the cameo with this one and have alot of options. Definitely the best ep this season, and possibly best yet in the entire series.
A.J.
P.S. I didn't forget Daria/Tom, saving that analysis for its own post.
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Of course, Jane knows that Tom and Daria were wandering around together during the parade, so she's likely not to be shocked by a simple picture of them standing together.
Maybe soon she'll get a *name!!!*
Jodie *is* a good role model, even when she doesn't try too hard to be. But I think it's wrong that she's having this much pressure put on her to be the "perfect black girl." She's inherently a very good person, but she's likely to crack under this much pressure, eventually.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
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I think this could be part of the movie. Jodie finally cracks and takes off for wherever the others are spending vacation.
On 08 Apr 2000 20:30:26 GMT, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:
Hmm... but, if things were to get out of hand, I could see that picture causing a great deal of trouble for Ms. Morgendorffer... I can almost imagine Jane asking her now, "How long have you been interested in Tom?" I get the feeling that that picture could play a pretty major role in an ep/movie down the road.
She? He? I can't tell!
I like Joe's idea of Jodie running away from her summer chores... heh.. imagine Jodie on the road on a Harley... heh heh heh...
I don't know where this goes, but FWIW, it looked to me like Jane and Tom weren't really on the best of terms to begin with, and I bet that adds sufficient impetus to move the plot along to its inevitable conclusion. It seemed like they were continuing long-standing gripes with each other. Add to that Jane's penchant for, well, ditching guys as she goes along, and Tom may wind up alone without any effort on his part. ;-)
Of course, I've only seen it once, so I can't say for sure whether we're going to have to revamp the Geek Code entirely... ;-)
Greg Pallis-- you need to see this ep.
Oh, and I'll prolly have to change my sig, too. Damn. :P That ++DT is going to have to become a --DT, I think, unless we change T to mean 'Tom.' <g>
But it was still a great ep, even if it did go down an surprisingly unsurprising path. ;-) I know it seems a little soap-opera-y, but I have faith that Glenn & Co. will not let the series turn into a soap opera. (You won't do it, right, guys? Guys?Guuuys?!?)
I guess the crush is not just crushed, but crushed, chopped, shredded, burned, and buried, huh? Unless, of course, there's yet another plot twist they have in store for us. ;-)
Of course, they do this to us the week before the Little Drought begins. This is all part of a greater conspiracy, I tell you! ;-)
rich. "Joseph Stalin, grab my armored muu-muu and together we will leave this foul Earth behind." -- Toon-La.
Paperpusher said:
That's true.
Looks like a girl to me.
I don't know if their breakup is "inevitable", but if they do it'll probably be because of Jane's unwillingness to and inexperience at accommodating other people. At compromise.
We've only ever seen Jane interested (for more than about half an hour) in two other guys: Jesse and the one from "See Jane Run". In neither case is it really obvious that anything much ever happened. Tom seems to be her first serious boyfriend.
It's always been something of a soap opera. It's just a *good* one.
Who said Daria doesn't still like Trent?
Sincerely Yours, Jordan
On 09 Apr 2000 09:32:32 GMT, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:
And don't forget her run-in with Bobby Bighead as well... There's still a lot of stuff about Jane that's unknown, like whether she dated before the series started... The writers have a lot of leeway in that dept.
I'll have to disagree with that. It's been a comedy/drama, but not a soap opera. Soap opera implies that each ep isn't complete in and of itself-- almost every Daria ep has a definite beginning and ending. There may be some questions that are raised, but like any other sitcom, there's always a certain degree of resolution in every ep, unlike the soap opera format, in which resolution usually occurs in the middle of the episode, only to have it broken right at the end. It's more like a sitcom with a bit of a story arc.
The only worry I have is that this whole plotline gets blown out of hand and takes over the show-- I prefer a show to break new ground, rather than for one to beat a certain plotline/issue to death.
I didn't say that she didn't like him. I just said that this kills off that crush completely, IF we're to use the interpretation of the ep that everyone is using. She probably does like Trent, but she doesn't *like* like Trent the way she seems to *like* like Tom. God, I sound like an 8th grader. ;-)
rich.
Goat: Alex, my friend, don't you know that the key to happiness can be found in three simple words?
Alex: Use the force?
Goat: No! Lower your standards. Now go on, set your phasers on love and make me proud! (To woman.) Come on, baby, I might not be Fred Flintstone, but I'm gonna make your bed rock!
On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:32:51 -0400, paperpusher wrote:
I, for one, am not completely sold that Daria's into Tom just yet. If it wasn't for the fact that SO many people seem to believe it, I'd be almost convinced it wasn't true.
Kyle, he who means well The Shane Andrews of alt.sports.baseball.chicago-cubs
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I'll admit...it's kinda ambiguous. Daria's final look could mean "Damn...I think he's liking me a little more than he should, being he's Jane's boyfriend and all." But I think Daria's silence for the rest of the episode indicates a little more. She couldn't even compose her thoughts enough to respond to Mr. O'Neill after he accused her of having school spirit. I personally took that as her pondering the nasty dilemma she's in.
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Very good point, if her mind wasn't clouded with the events of the day, you know we'd have gotten a classic barb. I hadn't thought of it that way. Basically she was in shock over what just happened and may have been thinkingt of all the possibilities and problems these events may cause.
A.J.
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:29:53 GMT, [email] wrote:
Add to that the fact that after O'Neill made his dumb comment, her look went from miserable to angry, well, that could've indicated her realization that she'd missed a golden opportunity to let fly with a good barb, but had let it slip away because she'd been distracted by everything else.
rich.
Jane: You know, I don't know why people say we have a bad attitude.
Daria: Screw 'em.
I know it's only animation, but I have seen THAT "Dazed and Confused" look before on a highly intelligent, highly moral woman.....and she's been changed forever.....
you
On 10 Apr 2000 00:28:35 GMT, herecomethehawks@hockeymail.....com (Kyle) wrote:
Well, all I know is that I asked my GF (who watches the show, but isn't as, um, "enthusiastic" about it as I am) what she thought was going on, and she just gave me a look and said, "Oh, come on, it's obvious." I asked her if that could've just been a sympathy look/vibe thing, and she said, "No, that was a more serious sort of thing."
So, even people who haven't been posting or reading these fora "Know Somethin's Goin' On." ;-)
TBQH, that was the discussion that made me believe everyone else. (Until then, I was thinking that maybe everyone's overreacting.)
FWIW, rich.
Mr. O'Neill: Let's pledge to make Daria's dream a reality!
Daria: You mean the one where people walking down the street burst into flames?
Mr. O'Neill: The coffeehouse!
paperpusher wrote:
<unlurk> Coming out of a _long_ time lurking(think, beginning of season 3) to say: Hey!!!! I'm an 8th grader, and I *definitely* don't talk like that! =) Well, bye now! <reingage lurking status>
ks
On the mountaintop, Kelly Sinnott spake thusly:
Hey! Does this mean I'm not the youngest a.t.d.'er anymore? Or do lurkers not count?
Lurkers: come out of the shadows! We love newbies!
Oh, and when you do, look out for the guy with the fresh fish. You really wanna side with me and the Squirrel Army. (How can you resist? They're just so darn nutty...)
-Mindy
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<kevin> Welcome to crunch munch nutty world we're all nutty about ummm how does it go ? </kevin>
Phill.
Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:
It's weird, I only saw Mindy's post through this reply...anyway, hola everyone!, and who else is in the squirrel army?
Hiya :) I'm the official Squirrel Trainer of the Evil Matriachy Squirrel Army :) I ummm... train Squirrels. To be more squirrel-like, or something. Yah. Squirrels. Yah. I flee now...
__ Greg
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Strange, I've recently stopped seeing all Mindy posts too. It must be a conspiracy out there to keep all of us from reading what she says! Watch out, Mindy, there's someone Out There to Get You. Probably an enemy of the matriarchy!
--J.
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:50:55 GMT, "Jessica M.L." wrote:
Bwaahahahahahahhahahahahahhaaaaaaaa!
Kyle, he who means well The Shane Andrews of alt.sports.baseball.chicago-cubs
On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:42:16 -0700, Kelly Sinnott wrote:
Sorry, Kelly-- I should've been more specific. It should read, "God, I sound like an 8th grader when I was in 8th grade." ;-)
Mindy-- does that mean you're still the youngest? ;-)
rich.
Jake: The horror, the *horror* ...
paperpusher wrote:
That's ok. Now that I think about it, many of my 8th grade peers talk like that... It gets pretty annoying after a while. I guess it would to any Daria fan. Actually, I know some people who like Daria, but not quite for the same reasons I do. They like the occasional joke, but I don't think they get most of her humor. Ok, *way* off on a tangent now, see you later! =]
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IIRC, she was in D&J's gym class in SJR.
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(1) - Daria's the only one who's acted hostile between the three of them (Daria, Jane, and Tom).
(2) - Tom *does* love Jane. Or at least like her a hell of a lot. This makes the situation even worse, of course.
It's worth noting that Tad saw Daria as a potential protector, and that Daria yielded to her better impulses and helped him.
Amusing that Sandi sees nothing wrong with being a "mean witch" ;-)
Stacy is the most vulnerable one. Sandi is a genuinely nasty person.
Quinn *likes* cute little animals, remember?
Easier to go along than to oppose the majority. I don't think that Quinn really bought the explanation, just that she wants to fit in.
Well, they've been hinting about it almost every episode of Season 4.
Note that seeing Daria actually cheered Jodie up.
Sincerely Yours, Jordan